leumasdarnley
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,650
Likes โข 49
May 2007
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by leumasdarnley on Jan 29, 2014 18:18:01 GMT 1, dude WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!!?!? omg Why put out blurred pictures and links to instagram when you could of just posted a picture when the original details were released? It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery. Every person who bought this image saw it before they did. I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image. You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work. It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here. Just my 2c.
dude WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?!!?!? omg Why put out blurred pictures and links to instagram when you could of just posted a picture when the original details were released? It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery. Every person who bought this image saw it before they did. I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image. You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work. It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here. Just my 2c.
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:19:17 GMT 1, ok, fixed. Now, continue. Please. And don't use LUSH either Okay so you're just not going to argue period, I guess.
ok, fixed. Now, continue. Please. And don't use LUSH either Okay so you're just not going to argue period, I guess.
|
|
alittle
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,575
Likes โข 1,315
November 2012
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by alittle on Jan 29, 2014 18:19:17 GMT 1, Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past.
I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand.
Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past.
I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand.
|
|
muti
New Member
Posts โข 434
Likes โข 96
December 2008
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by muti on Jan 29, 2014 18:20:35 GMT 1, I am not disputing the fact that this was all about marketing. I am just saying that a very large percentage of people bought this print in the hope that it will be an investment and NOT for what it looked like.
I am not disputing the fact that this was all about marketing. I am just saying that a very large percentage of people bought this print in the hope that it will be an investment and NOT for what it looked like.
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:22:51 GMT 1, Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. It has nothing to do with the price though, the comparison! And websites not working did not pertain to everyone involved. While the website was frizzing for 1 person, another person was continuing on with the purchase. There were definitely some people double-thinking, going back and forth, etc., for it to take 'so long' to sell out.
It was a nice change from the usual clock-strikes-noon-and-site-changes-instantly-to-Sold-Out.
I'm comparing online print drops to online print drops.
Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. It has nothing to do with the price though, the comparison! And websites not working did not pertain to everyone involved. While the website was frizzing for 1 person, another person was continuing on with the purchase. There were definitely some people double-thinking, going back and forth, etc., for it to take 'so long' to sell out. It was a nice change from the usual clock-strikes-noon-and-site-changes-instantly-to-Sold-Out. I'm comparing online print drops to online print drops.
|
|
eschiff
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,064
Likes โข 999
January 2010
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by eschiff on Jan 29, 2014 18:22:57 GMT 1, Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed.
Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed.
|
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:24:34 GMT 1, Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed. oh no but he's banksy so he gets a free pass to do whatever the fck he chooses!
c'mon folks.
Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed. oh no but he's banksy so he gets a free pass to do whatever the fck he chooses! c'mon folks.
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:25:58 GMT 1, You could instead just be happy that it seems a bunch of 'regular' people (like the ones on the forum here) actually managed to score something which I never had any realistic belief would ever even see the 'light of day' on a public sale, i.e. the RETNA sham, et al.
You could instead just be happy that it seems a bunch of 'regular' people (like the ones on the forum here) actually managed to score something which I never had any realistic belief would ever even see the 'light of day' on a public sale, i.e. the RETNA sham, et al.
|
|
muti
New Member
Posts โข 434
Likes โข 96
December 2008
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by muti on Jan 29, 2014 18:27:44 GMT 1, Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed. Because a majority of people knew they could sell it on for 10x more down the line.
Probably 10-12 minutes after the drop because the website wasn't working. I couldn't even load the picture until 10 past. I also don't know what you are comparing to either. I can't think of another drop for this kind of money where they did not release the price and image before hand. how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed. Because a majority of people knew they could sell it on for 10x more down the line.
|
|
deckstar
New Member
Posts โข 827
Likes โข 5
May 2008
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by deckstar on Jan 29, 2014 18:31:41 GMT 1, More money than sense comes to mind! 4k would pay alot of bills and debts in my house hold i think people may forget that I've seen so many people say this and it's just a bad argument. I would hope those buying weren't using bill and debt money. I certainly wasn't. If you have a lot of bills and debts you can't pay i can understand why you'd be bitter about this release. No not bitter, just think its pathetic but each to there own i suppose. I think i would rather invest 4k on a banksy who in the future will still be worth money
More money than sense comes to mind! 4k would pay alot of bills and debts in my house hold i think people may forget that I've seen so many people say this and it's just a bad argument. I would hope those buying weren't using bill and debt money. I certainly wasn't. If you have a lot of bills and debts you can't pay i can understand why you'd be bitter about this release. No not bitter, just think its pathetic but each to there own i suppose. I think i would rather invest 4k on a banksy who in the future will still be worth money
|
|
Emile
New Member
Posts โข 832
Likes โข 506
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by Emile on Jan 29, 2014 18:33:45 GMT 1, Why put out blurred pictures and links to instagram when you could of just posted a picture when the original details were released? It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery. Every person who bought this image saw it before they did. I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image. You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work. It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here. Just my 2c. It is called marketing, true, but the question is rather whether this is the correct way to do it (especially in light of the fact that it costs 4k). Posting a blurry picture a week before the release and then showing the image in full a day ahead of the release is also M A R K E T I N G and also generates buzz...
and in my opinion a better way to do it. Give people a chance to think before they buy.
I'm sure this method also put some people off, in fact making this an example of bad marketing. People now had to spend 4k in 10 min, something quite a few arent comfortable doing. If they had a day to think about it, they may have decided otherwise.
Why put out blurred pictures and links to instagram when you could of just posted a picture when the original details were released? It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery. Every person who bought this image saw it before they did. I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image. You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work. It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here. Just my 2c. It is called marketing, true, but the question is rather whether this is the correct way to do it (especially in light of the fact that it costs 4k). Posting a blurry picture a week before the release and then showing the image in full a day ahead of the release is also M A R K E T I N G and also generates buzz... and in my opinion a better way to do it. Give people a chance to think before they buy. I'm sure this method also put some people off, in fact making this an example of bad marketing. People now had to spend 4k in 10 min, something quite a few arent comfortable doing. If they had a day to think about it, they may have decided otherwise.
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:34:12 GMT 1, I've seen so many people say this and it's just a bad argument. I would hope those buying weren't using bill and debt money. I certainly wasn't. If you have a lot of bills and debts you can't pay i can understand why you'd be bitter about this release. No not bitter, just think its pathetic but each to there own i suppose. I think i would rather invest 4k on a banksy who in the future will still be worth money ...Until it's announced that the OsG twins ARE Banksy.
;-)
I've seen so many people say this and it's just a bad argument. I would hope those buying weren't using bill and debt money. I certainly wasn't. If you have a lot of bills and debts you can't pay i can understand why you'd be bitter about this release. No not bitter, just think its pathetic but each to there own i suppose. I think i would rather invest 4k on a banksy who in the future will still be worth money ...Until it's announced that the OsG twins ARE Banksy. ;-)
|
|
therivler1
New Member
Posts โข 979
Likes โข 474
July 2011
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by therivler1 on Jan 29, 2014 18:34:18 GMT 1, what a bunch of self-entitled nobs.
there is nothing that is a larger "waste" of money than limited edition art. so what if someone wasted more of their money (for whatever reason the wanted) than you were willing to.
whaa whaa whaa
Os G priced it perfect. priced less and more would be on ebay, with flippers profiting instead of the twins.
what a bunch of self-entitled nobs.
there is nothing that is a larger "waste" of money than limited edition art. so what if someone wasted more of their money (for whatever reason the wanted) than you were willing to.
whaa whaa whaa
Os G priced it perfect. priced less and more would be on ebay, with flippers profiting instead of the twins.
|
|
adewilliams
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,190
Likes โข 321
May 2009
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by adewilliams on Jan 29, 2014 18:34:19 GMT 1, how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed. Because a majority of people knew they could sell it on for 10x more down the line. CYW was hanging in Marks & Stencils for about a month before the release if I remember right
how about banksy? Not at this price point but people were standing/sleeping/waiting for 24hours in the cold for the CYW release and an image wasn't released till the line was already formed. Because a majority of people knew they could sell it on for 10x more down the line. CYW was hanging in Marks & Stencils for about a month before the release if I remember right
|
|
|
leumasdarnley
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,650
Likes โข 49
May 2007
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by leumasdarnley on Jan 29, 2014 18:35:12 GMT 1, I am not disputing the fact that this was all about marketing. I am just saying that a very large percentage of people bought this print in the hope that it will be an investment and NOT for what it looked like. This will be my last chime on this then I will waddle off into the sunset. And I'm not arguing with anyone it's just really hard to know why people do things. You are leaving out people who bought the print because they are die hard fans. Not for investment or the perfect image but because they love OS and wanted their only litho. <communication disconnected>
I am not disputing the fact that this was all about marketing. I am just saying that a very large percentage of people bought this print in the hope that it will be an investment and NOT for what it looked like. This will be my last chime on this then I will waddle off into the sunset. And I'm not arguing with anyone it's just really hard to know why people do things. You are leaving out people who bought the print because they are die hard fans. Not for investment or the perfect image but because they love OS and wanted their only litho. <communication disconnected>
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:35:32 GMT 1, It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery. Every person who bought this image saw it before they did. I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image. You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work. It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here. Just my 2c. It is called marketing, true, but the question is rather whether this is the correct way to do it (especially in light of the fact that it costs 4k). Posting a blurry picture a week before the release and then showing the image in full a day ahead of the release is also M A R K E T I N G and also generates buzz... and in my opinion a better way to do it. Give people a chance to think before they buy. I'm sure this method also put some people off, in fact making this an example of bad marketing. People now had to spend 4k in 10 min, something quite a few arent comfortable doing. If they had a day to think about it, they may have decided otherwise. Maybe, and there would probably be far more unhappy campers here (and elsewhere)!!
It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery. Every person who bought this image saw it before they did. I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image. You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work. It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here. Just my 2c. It is called marketing, true, but the question is rather whether this is the correct way to do it (especially in light of the fact that it costs 4k). Posting a blurry picture a week before the release and then showing the image in full a day ahead of the release is also M A R K E T I N G and also generates buzz... and in my opinion a better way to do it. Give people a chance to think before they buy. I'm sure this method also put some people off, in fact making this an example of bad marketing. People now had to spend 4k in 10 min, something quite a few arent comfortable doing. If they had a day to think about it, they may have decided otherwise.Maybe, and there would probably be far more unhappy campers here (and elsewhere)!!
|
|
Klow
New Member
Posts โข 142
Likes โข 38
December 2009
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by Klow on Jan 29, 2014 18:37:11 GMT 1, The greed, ignorance, and sense of entitlement are all very strong in this thread...
Highly saught after print drops, aka investments to most on this board, really bring out the worst in humanity. The majority of the comments in this thread and ones similar to it, really shine a light on how little is known about art and the artists creating it.
I propose the name of this forum be change to "Urban Investment Association" to better reflect the accuracy of the content contained within, because clearly it's not all about the "art".
The greed, ignorance, and sense of entitlement are all very strong in this thread...
Highly saught after print drops, aka investments to most on this board, really bring out the worst in humanity. The majority of the comments in this thread and ones similar to it, really shine a light on how little is known about art and the artists creating it.
I propose the name of this forum be change to "Urban Investment Association" to better reflect the accuracy of the content contained within, because clearly it's not all about the "art".
|
|
eschiff
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,064
Likes โข 999
January 2010
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by eschiff on Jan 29, 2014 18:40:30 GMT 1, I've seen so many people say this and it's just a bad argument. I would hope those buying weren't using bill and debt money. I certainly wasn't. If you have a lot of bills and debts you can't pay i can understand why you'd be bitter about this release. No not bitter, just think its pathetic but each to there own i suppose. I think i would rather invest 4k on a banksy who in the future will still be worth money exactly! For you it's about the money, for me it was having a piece by the twins.
I've seen so many people say this and it's just a bad argument. I would hope those buying weren't using bill and debt money. I certainly wasn't. If you have a lot of bills and debts you can't pay i can understand why you'd be bitter about this release. No not bitter, just think its pathetic but each to there own i suppose. I think i would rather invest 4k on a banksy who in the future will still be worth money exactly! For you it's about the money, for me it was having a piece by the twins.
|
|
Deleted
Posts โข 0
Likes โข
January 1970
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 18:47:11 GMT 1, Why put out blurred pictures and links to instagram when you could of just posted a picture when the original details were released?ย It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery.ย Every person who bought this image saw it before they did.ย I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image.ย You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work.ย It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here.ย Just my 2c.
It's called C Y N I C A L M A R K E T I N G
How often does anyone here buy something for thousands of pounds without knowing what it looks like it what the price is?
It created panic buying and confusion. From a marketing point of view it was a master stroke, from an ethical point of view it was pretty underhand. Nobody was forced to buy one but many people who really wanted one would have felt like they had about 1 second after seeing the price and image to make up their mind. I had one in the cart and decided not to go ahead as common sense kicked in and I realised that I was about to pay โฌ4000 for a print that had no hand finishing and is identical to the one another 98 people in the world own!
Why put out blurred pictures and links to instagram when you could of just posted a picture when the original details were released?ย It's called M A R K E T I N G it added excitement and mystery.ย Every person who bought this image saw it before they did.ย I'm sure some who thought they wanted to didn't if they didn't like the image.ย You don't get that kind of respect in the market unless you have done a sh*t load of hard work.ย It's not like we are talking about Brainwash here.ย Just my 2c. It's called C Y N I C A L M A R K E T I N G How often does anyone here buy something for thousands of pounds without knowing what it looks like it what the price is? It created panic buying and confusion. From a marketing point of view it was a master stroke, from an ethical point of view it was pretty underhand. Nobody was forced to buy one but many people who really wanted one would have felt like they had about 1 second after seeing the price and image to make up their mind. I had one in the cart and decided not to go ahead as common sense kicked in and I realised that I was about to pay โฌ4000 for a print that had no hand finishing and is identical to the one another 98 people in the world own!
|
|
kbfrombk
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,073
Likes โข 1,264
October 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by kbfrombk on Jan 29, 2014 18:48:46 GMT 1, I always find it funny that street art, art that was "born on the streets." Democratic art, often anti-consumerist and made for "everyone" is actually just a scene filled with hundreds of thousands of rabid fans literally obsessed with owning limited editions for their interior walls. Whose lives somehow seem incomplete without a signed print they can own and consume and covet and flip for something better next year. Fans who continually defend the high prices demanded for these street art prints, whose editions generally trade at higher premiums than their contemporary artist counterparts. Don't blame 99 prints or os gemeos for manufacturing hype. They don't need to do that because all of you people have done it for them. It's the 10,000 posts on the Banksy forum and other forums that is the hype. It's all so ironic. This guy probably makes his own shoes.
I always find it funny that street art, art that was "born on the streets." Democratic art, often anti-consumerist and made for "everyone" is actually just a scene filled with hundreds of thousands of rabid fans literally obsessed with owning limited editions for their interior walls. Whose lives somehow seem incomplete without a signed print they can own and consume and covet and flip for something better next year. Fans who continually defend the high prices demanded for these street art prints, whose editions generally trade at higher premiums than their contemporary artist counterparts. Don't blame 99 prints or os gemeos for manufacturing hype. They don't need to do that because all of you people have done it for them. It's the 10,000 posts on the Banksy forum and other forums that is the hype. It's all so ironic. This guy probably makes his own shoes.
|
|
howlinjack
New Member
Posts โข 615
Likes โข 55
July 2006
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by howlinjack on Jan 29, 2014 18:50:10 GMT 1, this whole thread makes me laugh and cringe in equal measure. every fucking release thats ever mentioned up on this forum starts and ends the same way. hype followed by bitterness. i bet theres a few people thinking if they moan loud enough 99prints will release a ireallywantedonequeuejumping grey edition just to keep the "fans" happy.
this whole thread makes me laugh and cringe in equal measure. every fucking release thats ever mentioned up on this forum starts and ends the same way. hype followed by bitterness. i bet theres a few people thinking if they moan loud enough 99prints will release a ireallywantedonequeuejumping grey edition just to keep the "fans" happy.
|
|
eschiff
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,064
Likes โข 999
January 2010
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by eschiff on Jan 29, 2014 18:51:29 GMT 1, this whole thread makes me laugh and cringe in equal measure. every f**king release thats ever mentioned up on this forum starts and ends the same way. hype followed by bitterness. i bet theres a few people thinking if they moan loud enough 99prints will release a ireallywantedonequeuejumping grey edition just to keep the "fans" happy. hahaha
this whole thread makes me laugh and cringe in equal measure. every f**king release thats ever mentioned up on this forum starts and ends the same way. hype followed by bitterness. i bet theres a few people thinking if they moan loud enough 99prints will release a ireallywantedonequeuejumping grey edition just to keep the "fans" happy. hahaha
|
|
|
drugfree
New Member
Posts โข 51
Likes โข 18
September 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by drugfree on Jan 29, 2014 18:53:09 GMT 1, who's got shipping confirmation already? after seeing so many people who got cancelled makes me nervous
still not heard anything myself
who's got shipping confirmation already? after seeing so many people who got cancelled makes me nervous
still not heard anything myself
|
|
Feral Things
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,848
Likes โข 3,654
January 2012
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by Feral Things on Jan 29, 2014 18:56:08 GMT 1, Iโve gotta say, I really love the image. One of the things I like about Os Gemeos is that they depict ordinary people with their own personalities and style and without resorting to any lazy โeverymanโ stereotype. Thereโs lots of โurban artโ featuring lingerie-clad girls and chisel-jawed guys but those pieces really donโt do anything for me. I think the print is perfectly balanced and composed too and I love the vibrant colours against the drab background; an absolute beauty.
Iโve gotta say, I really love the image. One of the things I like about Os Gemeos is that they depict ordinary people with their own personalities and style and without resorting to any lazy โeverymanโ stereotype. Thereโs lots of โurban artโ featuring lingerie-clad girls and chisel-jawed guys but those pieces really donโt do anything for me. I think the print is perfectly balanced and composed too and I love the vibrant colours against the drab background; an absolute beauty.
|
|
eschiff
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,064
Likes โข 999
January 2010
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by eschiff on Jan 29, 2014 18:58:04 GMT 1, who's got shipping confirmation already? after seeing so many people who got cancelled makes me nervous still not heard anything myself i got an order processing email today...went to my account on 99prints and it says the same.
who's got shipping confirmation already? after seeing so many people who got cancelled makes me nervous still not heard anything myself i got an order processing email today...went to my account on 99prints and it says the same.
|
|
volvic
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,778
Likes โข 309
December 2008
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by volvic on Jan 29, 2014 18:59:46 GMT 1, The release is over, move on, nothing to see here.
The release is over, move on, nothing to see here.
|
|
BKBOI
Junior Member
Posts โข 1,882
Likes โข 1,694
January 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by BKBOI on Jan 29, 2014 19:00:11 GMT 1, I really wanna get Paney's take on this release. that dude keeps it real.
I really wanna get Paney's take on this release. that dude keeps it real.
|
|
graffuturism
New Member
Posts โข 754
Likes โข 771
March 2010
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by graffuturism on Jan 29, 2014 19:10:14 GMT 1, I always find it funny that street art, art that was "born on the streets." Democratic art, often anti-consumerist and made for "everyone" is actually just a scene filled with hundreds of thousands of rabid fans literally obsessed with owning limited editions for their interior walls. Whose lives somehow seem incomplete without a signed print they can own and consume and covet and flip for something better next year. Fans who continually defend the high prices demanded for these street art prints, whose editions generally trade at higher premiums than their contemporary artist counterparts. Don't blame 99 prints or os gemeos for manufacturing hype. They don't need to do that because all of you people have done it for them. It's the 10,000 posts on the Banksy forum and other forums that is the hype. It's all so ironic. Its not a democratic art at all it never has been, its an artform where artists do what they want on the streets without asking for permission I dont see the democracy in that at all. I can see graffiti and street art being more socialist than democratic due to the non-consumerist aspect of street work as you stated. You are are correct the fans do have an effect on the art in a negative way at times and collecting art has turned into whole genre of its own within street art. Its a biproduct of our societies and people wanting a part of something that is given freely in most cases. The difference between the twins and alot of other artists this forum caters to is that Os Gemeos are authentic representations of the real power of the artform, and most of the other hyped artists are products of the market and their work exists only because forums like this exist. You dont see those artists painting around the world still for free, giving donating shows to small galleries that helped them along the way. You see edition after edition from the same artists, and this feeds the craze you talk about. Yet when a true representative of our culture like the twins makes something available to the fans of course the frenzy will consume it as it does much lesser artists. To me judging them based on this print release alone is unfair, and the defending the value atleast in my case is trying to help people get past all the bullshit that is being posted on here. I didnt buy one i wasn't lucky enough to and I wont buy one on the secondary market, I am ok with that. Os Gemeos has 200K instagram followers not because they sell prints and art but because they have touched a huge demographic, painted cities for the past 2 decades and imprinted themselves on the world. You dont think that 99 of those 200K fans can afford a 4K print? I dont see the problem with any hype that comes there way, only because they arent attention whores that feed off this hype and need to always be in the spotlight. They have found a balance in there work street/gallery and it works for them. I am sure someone mentioned making a print at a studio Picasso printed at and it sounded intriguing. One of the major reasons I coveted this print was because this print making process is also artistic in nature and each print is an extension of their art not just a reproduction.
The guy that keeps bring up Koons is clueless I wont restate what I have stated about OG vs contemporary counterparts, I will say that there is no comparison to this print and a Archival Giclee photograph even if a smaller edition from the worlds highest paid artist. You are basically paying for his signature IMO and there is no soul in that image, OG hands are all over this print and there mark has been left on it in more way that just a reproduction. Secondly we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the price was printed at 1k because all friends and family would have all gotten them because they could afford it. 4k was a lot of money for anyone and not only did it take out some of the speculation it also took out the homey discount aspect of a print run that can happen.
I am still taken back by some of these posts, I just have to shake my head.
I always find it funny that street art, art that was "born on the streets." Democratic art, often anti-consumerist and made for "everyone" is actually just a scene filled with hundreds of thousands of rabid fans literally obsessed with owning limited editions for their interior walls. Whose lives somehow seem incomplete without a signed print they can own and consume and covet and flip for something better next year. Fans who continually defend the high prices demanded for these street art prints, whose editions generally trade at higher premiums than their contemporary artist counterparts. Don't blame 99 prints or os gemeos for manufacturing hype. They don't need to do that because all of you people have done it for them. It's the 10,000 posts on the Banksy forum and other forums that is the hype. It's all so ironic. Its not a democratic art at all it never has been, its an artform where artists do what they want on the streets without asking for permission I dont see the democracy in that at all. I can see graffiti and street art being more socialist than democratic due to the non-consumerist aspect of street work as you stated. You are are correct the fans do have an effect on the art in a negative way at times and collecting art has turned into whole genre of its own within street art. Its a biproduct of our societies and people wanting a part of something that is given freely in most cases. The difference between the twins and alot of other artists this forum caters to is that Os Gemeos are authentic representations of the real power of the artform, and most of the other hyped artists are products of the market and their work exists only because forums like this exist. You dont see those artists painting around the world still for free, giving donating shows to small galleries that helped them along the way. You see edition after edition from the same artists, and this feeds the craze you talk about. Yet when a true representative of our culture like the twins makes something available to the fans of course the frenzy will consume it as it does much lesser artists. To me judging them based on this print release alone is unfair, and the defending the value atleast in my case is trying to help people get past all the bullshit that is being posted on here. I didnt buy one i wasn't lucky enough to and I wont buy one on the secondary market, I am ok with that. Os Gemeos has 200K instagram followers not because they sell prints and art but because they have touched a huge demographic, painted cities for the past 2 decades and imprinted themselves on the world. You dont think that 99 of those 200K fans can afford a 4K print? I dont see the problem with any hype that comes there way, only because they arent attention whores that feed off this hype and need to always be in the spotlight. They have found a balance in there work street/gallery and it works for them. I am sure someone mentioned making a print at a studio Picasso printed at and it sounded intriguing. One of the major reasons I coveted this print was because this print making process is also artistic in nature and each print is an extension of their art not just a reproduction. The guy that keeps bring up Koons is clueless I wont restate what I have stated about OG vs contemporary counterparts, I will say that there is no comparison to this print and a Archival Giclee photograph even if a smaller edition from the worlds highest paid artist. You are basically paying for his signature IMO and there is no soul in that image, OG hands are all over this print and there mark has been left on it in more way that just a reproduction. Secondly we wouldn't even be having this conversation if the price was printed at 1k because all friends and family would have all gotten them because they could afford it. 4k was a lot of money for anyone and not only did it take out some of the speculation it also took out the homey discount aspect of a print run that can happen. I am still taken back by some of these posts, I just have to shake my head.
|
|
drugfree
New Member
Posts โข 51
Likes โข 18
September 2013
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by drugfree on Jan 29, 2014 19:10:54 GMT 1, who's got shipping confirmation already? after seeing so many people who got cancelled makes me nervous still not heard anything myself i got an order processing email today...went to my account on 99prints and it says the same. it only makes me more nervous
my account on 99prints says "Payment accepted" the "status" hasn't change since yesterday
my invoice# is below 80, hopefully it goes thru...
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/112809/os-gemeos-99prints?page=36&scrollTo=1156889#ixzz2roQSLxx5
who's got shipping confirmation already? after seeing so many people who got cancelled makes me nervous still not heard anything myself i got an order processing email today...went to my account on 99prints and it says the same. it only makes me more nervous my account on 99prints says "Payment accepted" the "status" hasn't change since yesterday my invoice# is below 80, hopefully it goes thru... Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/112809/os-gemeos-99prints?page=36&scrollTo=1156889#ixzz2roQSLxx5
|
|
eschiff
Junior Member
Posts โข 2,064
Likes โข 999
January 2010
|
Os Gemeos @99prints, by eschiff on Jan 29, 2014 19:15:44 GMT 1, Well said graffuturism you have to remember the majority on here have come in the last two years, have no idea who the twins are because they weren't in Exit through the Gift Shop and don't have a print release every 2 months.
Sure there will be some flipped, if it was priced at 20k that would be the case...but for most of us, owning a piece of the twins artwork is pretty special and something we've been searching for for a long time.
drugfree my order says 'preparation in progress'
Well said graffuturism you have to remember the majority on here have come in the last two years, have no idea who the twins are because they weren't in Exit through the Gift Shop and don't have a print release every 2 months. Sure there will be some flipped, if it was priced at 20k that would be the case...but for most of us, owning a piece of the twins artwork is pretty special and something we've been searching for for a long time. drugfree my order says 'preparation in progress'
|
|