Photoxtc
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Name and shame???, by Photoxtc on Jan 25, 2014 1:42:39 GMT 1, So if a gallery you commissioned a sale with years ago and has your piece of art and now can't find said piece of art and won't return emails after saying "it might have been sold ages ago".... How does one go about this?? Name and shame the gallery in an open forum??? Mind you, I bought from this gallery and lent them art for shows and commissioned art in the past with no problems but now all has gone quiet... Just to be clear, Art that I've owned, not created...
So if a gallery you commissioned a sale with years ago and has your piece of art and now can't find said piece of art and won't return emails after saying "it might have been sold ages ago".... How does one go about this?? Name and shame the gallery in an open forum??? Mind you, I bought from this gallery and lent them art for shows and commissioned art in the past with no problems but now all has gone quiet... Just to be clear, Art that I've owned, not created...
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kultur
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Name and shame???, by kultur on Jan 25, 2014 1:55:40 GMT 1, Personally id like to know what gallery, but i dont think id name and shame until all avenues are exhausted or the end result isnt to your liking. Last resort is reputable galleries should have insurance.
So if a gallery you commissioned a sale with years ago and has your piece of art and now can't find said piece of art and won't return emails after saying "it might have been sold ages ago".... How does one go about this?? Name and shame the gallery in an open forum??? Mind you, I bought from this gallery and lent them art for shows and commissioned art in the past with no problems but now all has gone quiet... Just to be clear, Art that I've owned, not created...
Personally id like to know what gallery, but i dont think id name and shame until all avenues are exhausted or the end result isnt to your liking. Last resort is reputable galleries should have insurance. So if a gallery you commissioned a sale with years ago and has your piece of art and now can't find said piece of art and won't return emails after saying "it might have been sold ages ago".... How does one go about this?? Name and shame the gallery in an open forum??? Mind you, I bought from this gallery and lent them art for shows and commissioned art in the past with no problems but now all has gone quiet... Just to be clear, Art that I've owned, not created... |
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Forbidden Love
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Name and shame???, by Forbidden Love on Jan 25, 2014 7:33:02 GMT 1, So if a gallery you commissioned a sale with years ago and has your piece of art and now can't find said piece of art and won't return emails after saying "it might have been sold ages ago".... How does one go about this?? Name and shame the gallery in an open forum??? Mind you, I bought from this gallery and lent them art for shows and commissioned art in the past with no problems but now all has gone quiet... Just to be clear, Art that I've owned, not created...
Yea why not (if you've described it how you have above) you mention emails which is best way to record exchange but sometimes you need to ring. Not sure if you have tried this?
So if a gallery you commissioned a sale with years ago and has your piece of art and now can't find said piece of art and won't return emails after saying "it might have been sold ages ago".... How does one go about this?? Name and shame the gallery in an open forum??? Mind you, I bought from this gallery and lent them art for shows and commissioned art in the past with no problems but now all has gone quiet... Just to be clear, Art that I've owned, not created... Yea why not (if you've described it how you have above) you mention emails which is best way to record exchange but sometimes you need to ring. Not sure if you have tried this? |
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Dice
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Name and shame???, by Dice on Jan 25, 2014 11:00:50 GMT 1, I recently had a big problem with a gallery and a sale of a piece of mine on commission. Personally I will never hand my art over to a gallery for sale ever again as it seems once they have it in hand they make it very difficult to get it back if you change your mind.
I recently had a big problem with a gallery and a sale of a piece of mine on commission. Personally I will never hand my art over to a gallery for sale ever again as it seems once they have it in hand they make it very difficult to get it back if you change your mind.
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Dungle
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Name and shame???, by Dungle on Jan 25, 2014 11:03:15 GMT 1, I would attend said gallery and reclaim my piece or things to its value.
I would attend said gallery and reclaim my piece or things to its value.
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Dice
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Name and shame???, by Dice on Jan 25, 2014 11:04:23 GMT 1, Oh and I think that if you have paperwork to back up your claim you should go to the gallery, call them, email them, try every possible avenue and if nothing works to get your art back just go to the small claims court, that should wake them up.
Oh and I think that if you have paperwork to back up your claim you should go to the gallery, call them, email them, try every possible avenue and if nothing works to get your art back just go to the small claims court, that should wake them up.
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Name and shame???, by searchandrescue on Jan 25, 2014 11:20:48 GMT 1, Sorry to hear of your woes, naming and shaming is perhaps not a good idea, even as a last resort. In some cases even if your are "in the right" it can leave you legally exposed. Hope you get things sorted, keep trying, in most cases there is a reason for what's going on, illness, a death, relationship breakdown, change of management etc. Most people will do what they can to eventually sort you out. Unfortunately you sometimes have to walk away, maybe a bit out of pocket but with your dignity / sanity / integrity intact. Easy to counsel, but hard to do.
Sorry to hear of your woes, naming and shaming is perhaps not a good idea, even as a last resort. In some cases even if your are "in the right" it can leave you legally exposed. Hope you get things sorted, keep trying, in most cases there is a reason for what's going on, illness, a death, relationship breakdown, change of management etc. Most people will do what they can to eventually sort you out. Unfortunately you sometimes have to walk away, maybe a bit out of pocket but with your dignity / sanity / integrity intact. Easy to counsel, but hard to do.
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Name and shame???, by searchandrescue on Jan 25, 2014 11:37:52 GMT 1, Ps "it might have been sold ages ago".. is not the response of a professional organisation, alarm bells would be ringing in my head! Where is the audit trail for such works? Surely they don't say this to everyone who exhibits with them? A good suggestion is the small claims court, will probably take time, and you may not get much (financial, emotional redress) back but can be good to show you are serious about your claim. "reputable galleries should have insurance" is true but not easy to enforce, a quick google of a very famous auction house and a damaged art collection serves as a reminder not to go on reputation / expectation alone.
Ps "it might have been sold ages ago".. is not the response of a professional organisation, alarm bells would be ringing in my head! Where is the audit trail for such works? Surely they don't say this to everyone who exhibits with them? A good suggestion is the small claims court, will probably take time, and you may not get much (financial, emotional redress) back but can be good to show you are serious about your claim. "reputable galleries should have insurance" is true but not easy to enforce, a quick google of a very famous auction house and a damaged art collection serves as a reminder not to go on reputation / expectation alone.
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love
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Name and shame???, by love on Jan 25, 2014 15:20:26 GMT 1, Why not? Name the the guys and help other forum users to avoid that gallery.
Why not? Name the the guys and help other forum users to avoid that gallery.
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kbfrombk
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Name and shame???, by kbfrombk on Jan 25, 2014 15:30:30 GMT 1, Why not? Name the the guys and help other forum users to avoid that gallery.
Pretty simple, not sure what the 'line in the sand' is to qualify for a public complaint. This isn't COPS where we need to blur people's faces for the sake of correctness!
As said above though, be wary WHAT you say about them and make sure it's substantiated lest you leave yourself open for possible (though unlikely) repercussions i.e. libel/slander.
This is a public forum, although sometimes it feel like it, it isn't a corporate conference! If we were a forum discussing cars, for instance, nobody would blink before saying 'this manufacturer sucks a$$", or "these dealers are straight-up c0cksuckers!"
...Also it's not like you're jumping the gun. You've asked and asked and these folks have continued to disappoint. There are definitely some uptight people who do the ol' premature pathetic call-out, but clearly you had a valuable artwork whose whereabouts are as yet unknown and which you had left in the (supposedly professional?) care of this 'gallery'.
Why not? Name the the guys and help other forum users to avoid that gallery. Pretty simple, not sure what the 'line in the sand' is to qualify for a public complaint. This isn't COPS where we need to blur people's faces for the sake of correctness! As said above though, be wary WHAT you say about them and make sure it's substantiated lest you leave yourself open for possible (though unlikely) repercussions i.e. libel/slander. This is a public forum, although sometimes it feel like it, it isn't a corporate conference! If we were a forum discussing cars, for instance, nobody would blink before saying 'this manufacturer sucks a$$", or "these dealers are straight-up c0cksuckers!" ...Also it's not like you're jumping the gun. You've asked and asked and these folks have continued to disappoint. There are definitely some uptight people who do the ol' premature pathetic call-out, but clearly you had a valuable artwork whose whereabouts are as yet unknown and which you had left in the (supposedly professional?) care of this 'gallery'. |
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dotdot
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Name and shame???, by dotdot on Jan 25, 2014 17:25:18 GMT 1, Interesting .
Said gallery is it vat registered , are we in the uk or anywhere that keeps records ?
I so then said records should detail all sales and all taxes payable , am I wrong ?
The vagueness you've been met with is hardly what anyone here would call an advertisement to use said services again.
Revisit the issue with the manager and seek clarification in the first instance , then failing full clarification seek route via legal to either secure payment or have the work returned.
I've no doubt you've tried this , in which case you don't have many options.
Could be any gallery, not that they're all the same ...just variations of a theme , some good ,tactful and professional , some imply exist to shift and make money regardless of the shrinking customer base.
Good luck and please keep us informed , I hope never to be in this situation.
Interesting .
Said gallery is it vat registered , are we in the uk or anywhere that keeps records ?
I so then said records should detail all sales and all taxes payable , am I wrong ?
The vagueness you've been met with is hardly what anyone here would call an advertisement to use said services again.
Revisit the issue with the manager and seek clarification in the first instance , then failing full clarification seek route via legal to either secure payment or have the work returned.
I've no doubt you've tried this , in which case you don't have many options.
Could be any gallery, not that they're all the same ...just variations of a theme , some good ,tactful and professional , some imply exist to shift and make money regardless of the shrinking customer base.
Good luck and please keep us informed , I hope never to be in this situation.
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Manty
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Name and shame???, by Manty on Jan 25, 2014 19:04:57 GMT 1, send them an email, or call them saying that after 7 days you will 'go public' if issue not resolved
Good luck, shame when a good guy like yourself helps out a business and this is the reward you get
send them an email, or call them saying that after 7 days you will 'go public' if issue not resolved
Good luck, shame when a good guy like yourself helps out a business and this is the reward you get
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mandingo
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Name and shame???, by mandingo on Jan 25, 2014 19:10:11 GMT 1, Name them and hopefully they might see this and get there ass into gear and sort this problem. Being nice and having ettiquete in a situation where a someone owes you money and is not playinball is not get you anywhere. This to me is nothing short of theft. If they can't trace it or know where it is then tell them you'll report as stolen and then go through the claims court
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Name them and hopefully they might see this and get there ass into gear and sort this problem. Being nice and having ettiquete in a situation where a someone owes you money and is not playinball is not get you anywhere. This to me is nothing short of theft. If they can't trace it or know where it is then tell them you'll report as stolen and then go through the claims court
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Name and shame???, by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 19:18:09 GMT 1, galleries dont usually have tons of cashflow- if they dont sort your wedge out quickly, many will find it difficult to pay you a few months down the line. some galleries are set up as an opportunistic venture or on a whim and are very flaky to say the least and these probably go under as often as resturants. if you dont get paid and have been reasonable, then report it as theft and get the filth involved
Look at some of the spunkers who masquerade as galleries on this forum and take that as a representative sample of the parasites that infest this particular sphere.Not all are rotters though.
good luck with getting yer cash back- I know someone who took a YBA original as ransom for an unpaid debt by a gallery once. not ethical, but these greasy scum sometimes need a nudge to do the right thing
galleries dont usually have tons of cashflow- if they dont sort your wedge out quickly, many will find it difficult to pay you a few months down the line. some galleries are set up as an opportunistic venture or on a whim and are very flaky to say the least and these probably go under as often as resturants. if you dont get paid and have been reasonable, then report it as theft and get the filth involved
Look at some of the spunkers who masquerade as galleries on this forum and take that as a representative sample of the parasites that infest this particular sphere.Not all are rotters though.
good luck with getting yer cash back- I know someone who took a YBA original as ransom for an unpaid debt by a gallery once. not ethical, but these greasy scum sometimes need a nudge to do the right thing
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