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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by hnkpnk on Feb 12, 2014 0:20:20 GMT 1, i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. i have worked with artists before i dont know what there first name is never mind who they are and a classic example is dot all i had seen was the work online which i loved so asked and asked to print till he finally gave in. i feel s**t calling him dot when we talk via facebook under his dot account but i do. we are a print house and never wanted to be a gallery, we do like to have show's and have two coming this year all going to plan. we are trying our best to bring what we said we would at the start quality prints from up and coming artists and some well known names. i love the fact we can make a amazing well printed product for someone who could never afford to do it and go the extra mile with colours and processes. fact is we loving printing full stop i am addicted to the process, i took my os gemeos print into my printers today and got a 1 hour lesson on how it was made, the machines, the process and he pointed out lots of fine details we were looking through a magnifying glass. the point is its all based on passion, his lesson, me listening the hour lasted 5 mins for me as does my days doing this sometimes i love it. to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am...
i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. i have worked with artists before i dont know what there first name is never mind who they are and a classic example is dot all i had seen was the work online which i loved so asked and asked to print till he finally gave in. i feel s**t calling him dot when we talk via facebook under his dot account but i do. we are a print house and never wanted to be a gallery, we do like to have show's and have two coming this year all going to plan. we are trying our best to bring what we said we would at the start quality prints from up and coming artists and some well known names. i love the fact we can make a amazing well printed product for someone who could never afford to do it and go the extra mile with colours and processes. fact is we loving printing full stop i am addicted to the process, i took my os gemeos print into my printers today and got a 1 hour lesson on how it was made, the machines, the process and he pointed out lots of fine details we were looking through a magnifying glass. the point is its all based on passion, his lesson, me listening the hour lasted 5 mins for me as does my days doing this sometimes i love it. to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am... Care to answer the questions I've asked? |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by eschiff on Feb 12, 2014 0:21:21 GMT 1, i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. i have worked with artists before i dont know what there first name is never mind who they are and a classic example is dot all i had seen was the work online which i loved so asked and asked to print till he finally gave in. i feel s**t calling him dot when we talk via facebook under his dot account but i do. we are a print house and never wanted to be a gallery, we do like to have show's and have two coming this year all going to plan. we are trying our best to bring what we said we would at the start quality prints from up and coming artists and some well known names. i love the fact we can make a amazing well printed product for someone who could never afford to do it and go the extra mile with colours and processes. fact is we loving printing full stop i am addicted to the process, i took my os gemeos print into my printers today and got a 1 hour lesson on how it was made, the machines, the process and he pointed out lots of fine details we were looking through a magnifying glass. the point is its all based on passion, his lesson, me listening the hour lasted 5 mins for me as does my days doing this sometimes i love it.to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am...
i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. i have worked with artists before i dont know what there first name is never mind who they are and a classic example is dot all i had seen was the work online which i loved so asked and asked to print till he finally gave in. i feel s**t calling him dot when we talk via facebook under his dot account but i do. we are a print house and never wanted to be a gallery, we do like to have show's and have two coming this year all going to plan. we are trying our best to bring what we said we would at the start quality prints from up and coming artists and some well known names. i love the fact we can make a amazing well printed product for someone who could never afford to do it and go the extra mile with colours and processes. fact is we loving printing full stop i am addicted to the process, i took my os gemeos print into my printers today and got a 1 hour lesson on how it was made, the machines, the process and he pointed out lots of fine details we were looking through a magnifying glass. the point is its all based on passion, his lesson, me listening the hour lasted 5 mins for me as does my days doing this sometimes i love it.to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am... Please elaborate! I've been going down worm holes reading about the process but would love to know what else to look for when it comes back from the framers! |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by Graffiti Prints on Feb 12, 2014 0:26:55 GMT 1, I agree with you on the price, seems high. Why would the timed edition be more then the limited edition? Not made to be a slight to GP, just honest critique.
I agree with you on the price, seems high. Why would the timed edition be more then the limited edition? Not made to be a slight to GP, just honest critique. artists set the price and way it was sold its always the case on GP... |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by Graffiti Prints on Feb 12, 2014 0:29:30 GMT 1, i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. i have worked with artists before i dont know what there first name is never mind who they are and a classic example is dot all i had seen was the work online which i loved so asked and asked to print till he finally gave in. i feel s**t calling him dot when we talk via facebook under his dot account but i do. we are a print house and never wanted to be a gallery, we do like to have show's and have two coming this year all going to plan. we are trying our best to bring what we said we would at the start quality prints from up and coming artists and some well known names. i love the fact we can make a amazing well printed product for someone who could never afford to do it and go the extra mile with colours and processes. fact is we loving printing full stop i am addicted to the process, i took my os gemeos print into my printers today and got a 1 hour lesson on how it was made, the machines, the process and he pointed out lots of fine details we were looking through a magnifying glass. the point is its all based on passion, his lesson, me listening the hour lasted 5 mins for me as does my days doing this sometimes i love it. to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am... Care to answer the questions I've asked?
i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. i have worked with artists before i dont know what there first name is never mind who they are and a classic example is dot all i had seen was the work online which i loved so asked and asked to print till he finally gave in. i feel s**t calling him dot when we talk via facebook under his dot account but i do. we are a print house and never wanted to be a gallery, we do like to have show's and have two coming this year all going to plan. we are trying our best to bring what we said we would at the start quality prints from up and coming artists and some well known names. i love the fact we can make a amazing well printed product for someone who could never afford to do it and go the extra mile with colours and processes. fact is we loving printing full stop i am addicted to the process, i took my os gemeos print into my printers today and got a 1 hour lesson on how it was made, the machines, the process and he pointed out lots of fine details we were looking through a magnifying glass. the point is its all based on passion, his lesson, me listening the hour lasted 5 mins for me as does my days doing this sometimes i love it. to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am... Care to answer the questions I've asked? will not let me log onto the facebook page banksyny can others? i dont really get what your saying and you linked all this to banksy not me |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by Graffiti Prints on Feb 12, 2014 0:32:53 GMT 1, i would be here all night trying to write it down it was amazing and he was almost dancing in front of it he was so impressed beaming he was.
i would be here all night trying to write it down it was amazing and he was almost dancing in front of it he was so impressed beaming he was. |
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hnkpnk
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by hnkpnk on Feb 12, 2014 0:33:18 GMT 1, Care to answer the questions I've asked? will not let me log onto the facebook page banksyny can others? i dont really get what your saying and you linked all this to banksy not me
Care to answer the questions I've asked? will not let me log onto the facebook page banksyny can others? i dont really get what your saying and you linked all this to banksy not me I rest my case. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by Graffiti Prints on Feb 12, 2014 0:37:51 GMT 1, this is my response man its me, we made this print as we liked the image so much as to selling his anonymity all i said was he was mysterious.
we do just love printing, trying to find anymore than that is pointless, its not there i am just a simple guy. maybe thats why artist like working with me. cover my arse (most of the time).
this is my response man its me, we made this print as we liked the image so much as to selling his anonymity all i said was he was mysterious. we do just love printing, trying to find anymore than that is pointless, its not there i am just a simple guy. maybe thats why artist like working with me. cover my arse (most of the time). |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by graffuturism on Feb 12, 2014 0:47:34 GMT 1, this is my response man its me, we made this print as we liked the image so much as to selling his anonymity all i said was he was mysterious. we do just love printing, trying to find anymore than that is pointless, its not there i am just a simple guy. maybe thats why artist like working with me. cover my arse (most of the time).
As far as the artists website goes it really is a shame that he would not only troll the facebook page for months only to cash in on it but also steal Banksy's whole look feel and concept. The audio addition is over the top. Haha. Wow this artist is something else.
this is my response man its me, we made this print as we liked the image so much as to selling his anonymity all i said was he was mysterious. we do just love printing, trying to find anymore than that is pointless, its not there i am just a simple guy. maybe thats why artist like working with me. cover my arse (most of the time). Well good luck regardless I am sure you will do ok in the future as well. I admire anyone that loves the craft of making anything and contributing to the scene anyway you can. As far as the artists website goes it really is a shame that he would not only troll the facebook page for months only to cash in on it but also steal Banksy's whole look feel and concept. The audio addition is over the top. Haha. Wow this artist is something else. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by gatecrasher on Feb 12, 2014 0:51:10 GMT 1, I'd pay €4020 for this as long as it had free world wide shipping.
I'd pay €4020 for this as long as it had free world wide shipping.
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iamzero
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by iamzero on Feb 12, 2014 1:04:26 GMT 1, I reckon this is by brylcreem boy David Beckham, I hear he's moving onto becoming the new Banksy. It's possible his pouty missus is Bambi too considering she's shit at everything else she's ever done.
I reckon this is by brylcreem boy David Beckham, I hear he's moving onto becoming the new Banksy. It's possible his pouty missus is Bambi too considering she's shit at everything else she's ever done.
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by maddoghoek100 on Feb 12, 2014 1:11:41 GMT 1, I suppose, my experience is most galleries/resellers have some input even when the artist sets the price, as they are receiving a cut of the sales. So it seems on some level even when the artist sets the price it is being endorsed by the gallery as reasonable. Similarly by releasing the print it does appear as though you are endorsing the marketing approach of the artist, which is at best a little deceptive.
That said, the backlash is because there is some obvious shenanigans by the artist. If you have nothing to do with their marketing approach you might be well served to ask the artist to stop or cancel the release. they are anonymous, but you have a business to run in the future and are not. Why risk upsetting past and future customers? every future release for ever future artist will be tainted with a bunch of garbage talk about remember that one time these guys tired to pull a fast one.
Seems high risk low reward. Get paid for the printing, mail the prints to the artist and let the artist release the prints on etsy or deviant or anywhere but your website using whatever tactic they want.
this is my response man its me, we made this print as we liked the image so much as to selling his anonymity all i said was he was mysterious. we do just love printing, trying to find anymore than that is pointless, its not there i am just a simple guy. maybe thats why artist like working with me. cover my arse (most of the time).
I suppose, my experience is most galleries/resellers have some input even when the artist sets the price, as they are receiving a cut of the sales. So it seems on some level even when the artist sets the price it is being endorsed by the gallery as reasonable. Similarly by releasing the print it does appear as though you are endorsing the marketing approach of the artist, which is at best a little deceptive. That said, the backlash is because there is some obvious shenanigans by the artist. If you have nothing to do with their marketing approach you might be well served to ask the artist to stop or cancel the release. they are anonymous, but you have a business to run in the future and are not. Why risk upsetting past and future customers? every future release for ever future artist will be tainted with a bunch of garbage talk about remember that one time these guys tired to pull a fast one. Seems high risk low reward. Get paid for the printing, mail the prints to the artist and let the artist release the prints on etsy or deviant or anywhere but your website using whatever tactic they want. this is my response man its me, we made this print as we liked the image so much as to selling his anonymity all i said was he was mysterious. we do just love printing, trying to find anymore than that is pointless, its not there i am just a simple guy. maybe thats why artist like working with me. cover my arse (most of the time). |
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pcant
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by pcant on Feb 12, 2014 1:20:10 GMT 1, I'm saying that someone who thinks this is Banksy, despite it not being signed by Banksy, is hoping it will be by him so he or she can make some money off it. If someone buys it because they like it, it matters not who made it, right? So any motive OTHER than liking it is based on potential profit or the cachet of being able to tell their friends they have a Banksy. In other words, not about the image. You're assuming someone is sophisticated enough to suspect this unknown artist is Banksy (tied in to the NYC show and knowing about this FB page but not Banksy's own web portal), and yet not sophisticated enough to do some more digging before spending money on a print that is NOT Banksy but might be? Seems like a very slim segment of the print-buying population. And I'm saying you're making assumptions about why someone would buy it. More casual fans may not know how much a Banksy print is worth. They might just want to buy a piece of art from their favorite artist. When you have someone posing as Banksy, pushing it on a fake Facebook page, it's not a stretch to see that scenario playing out. Try to put yourself in their shoes for a moment. If you did buy a piece of art thinking it was by an artist you liked, only to turn around and find out you were tricked, would you not be disappointed?
I'm saying that if you like the image, it doesn't matter one iota who made it. And if you only like it because you think Banksy made it, not because of what the image is, you shouldn't buy it. Again, I fail to see how someone would be scammed unless they are buying because they want to make money if it turns out to be Banksy, and I have no sympathy for that person.
I'm saying that someone who thinks this is Banksy, despite it not being signed by Banksy, is hoping it will be by him so he or she can make some money off it. If someone buys it because they like it, it matters not who made it, right? So any motive OTHER than liking it is based on potential profit or the cachet of being able to tell their friends they have a Banksy. In other words, not about the image. You're assuming someone is sophisticated enough to suspect this unknown artist is Banksy (tied in to the NYC show and knowing about this FB page but not Banksy's own web portal), and yet not sophisticated enough to do some more digging before spending money on a print that is NOT Banksy but might be? Seems like a very slim segment of the print-buying population. And I'm saying you're making assumptions about why someone would buy it. More casual fans may not know how much a Banksy print is worth. They might just want to buy a piece of art from their favorite artist. When you have someone posing as Banksy, pushing it on a fake Facebook page, it's not a stretch to see that scenario playing out. Try to put yourself in their shoes for a moment. If you did buy a piece of art thinking it was by an artist you liked, only to turn around and find out you were tricked, would you not be disappointed? If they want to buy a print from their favorite artist, why would they buy THIS since it is not signed Banksy? If they want to buy a print from their favorite artist that they don't actually like, they are buying it for the cachet, not because they like the image. And if they buy the image because they LIKE it, then it doesn't matter who made it. How are they being "tricked" unless they think it's actually a Banksy, which means they think it will be an investment? Are they being "tricked" if they honestly just like the image? Or only if they don't like it, but buy it because it might be worth more than they paid for it? I'm saying that if you like the image, it doesn't matter one iota who made it. And if you only like it because you think Banksy made it, not because of what the image is, you shouldn't buy it. Again, I fail to see how someone would be scammed unless they are buying because they want to make money if it turns out to be Banksy, and I have no sympathy for that person. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by misterx on Feb 12, 2014 1:34:27 GMT 1, Pcant knocking it outta the park...
Theres no deceit or trickery.
Buy it if you like it. Don't hope its going to turn out to be a Banksy down the track and all should be well and the sun will rise tomorrow.
Pcant knocking it outta the park... Theres no deceit or trickery. Buy it if you like it. Don't hope its going to turn out to be a Banksy down the track and all should be well and the sun will rise tomorrow. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by randomname on Feb 12, 2014 1:56:59 GMT 1, And I'm saying you're making assumptions about why someone would buy it. More casual fans may not know how much a Banksy print is worth. They might just want to buy a piece of art from their favorite artist. When you have someone posing as Banksy, pushing it on a fake Facebook page, it's not a stretch to see that scenario playing out. Try to put yourself in their shoes for a moment. If you did buy a piece of art thinking it was by an artist you liked, only to turn around and find out you were tricked, would you not be disappointed? If they want to buy a print from their favorite artist, why would they buy THIS since it is not signed Banksy? If they want to buy a print from their favorite artist that they don't actually like, they are buying it for the cachet, not because they like the image. And if they buy the image because they LIKE it, then it doesn't matter who made it. How are they being "tricked" unless they think it's actually a Banksy, which means they think it will be an investment? Are they being "tricked" if they honestly just like the image? Or only if they don't like it, but buy it because it might be worth more than they paid for it? I'm saying that if you like the image, it doesn't matter one iota who made it. And if you only like it because you think Banksy made it, not because of what the image is, you shouldn't buy it. Again, I fail to see how someone would be scammed unless they are buying because they want to make money if it turns out to be Banksy, and I have no sympathy for that person.
For the same reason they're following a fake Banksy page of Facebook. They don't know any better. Over 16,000 people follow that page. Whoever runs it posts as if he were Banksy. He's probably the person behind this print. And probably a member of this forum looking to cash in.
And just because a casual fan thinks it's a Banksy, that doesn't mean they're buying it as an investment. In fact, anyone who would fall for this probably has no idea how much Banksy prints are worth. If someone thinks they're following Banksy on Facebook, not knowing that Banksy isn't really on Facebook, it's perfectly reasonable for them to think a print posted by fake Banksy is a real Banksy print.
The deceit it's perfectly obvious for everyone to see. You asked why people have a problem with it. That's why people have a problem with it.
And I'm saying you're making assumptions about why someone would buy it. More casual fans may not know how much a Banksy print is worth. They might just want to buy a piece of art from their favorite artist. When you have someone posing as Banksy, pushing it on a fake Facebook page, it's not a stretch to see that scenario playing out. Try to put yourself in their shoes for a moment. If you did buy a piece of art thinking it was by an artist you liked, only to turn around and find out you were tricked, would you not be disappointed? If they want to buy a print from their favorite artist, why would they buy THIS since it is not signed Banksy? If they want to buy a print from their favorite artist that they don't actually like, they are buying it for the cachet, not because they like the image. And if they buy the image because they LIKE it, then it doesn't matter who made it. How are they being "tricked" unless they think it's actually a Banksy, which means they think it will be an investment? Are they being "tricked" if they honestly just like the image? Or only if they don't like it, but buy it because it might be worth more than they paid for it? I'm saying that if you like the image, it doesn't matter one iota who made it. And if you only like it because you think Banksy made it, not because of what the image is, you shouldn't buy it. Again, I fail to see how someone would be scammed unless they are buying because they want to make money if it turns out to be Banksy, and I have no sympathy for that person. For the same reason they're following a fake Banksy page of Facebook. They don't know any better. Over 16,000 people follow that page. Whoever runs it posts as if he were Banksy. He's probably the person behind this print. And probably a member of this forum looking to cash in. And just because a casual fan thinks it's a Banksy, that doesn't mean they're buying it as an investment. In fact, anyone who would fall for this probably has no idea how much Banksy prints are worth. If someone thinks they're following Banksy on Facebook, not knowing that Banksy isn't really on Facebook, it's perfectly reasonable for them to think a print posted by fake Banksy is a real Banksy print. The deceit it's perfectly obvious for everyone to see. You asked why people have a problem with it. That's why people have a problem with it. |
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pcant
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by pcant on Feb 12, 2014 2:21:55 GMT 1, I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is.
I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is.
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by bmerel on Feb 12, 2014 2:28:39 GMT 1, I'm hoping it's a piece of paper with the image of an elephant, a bouquet of flowers and a rat. I enjoy that image. It's an apologetic elephant!! Who can't love that? He's offering the rat an olive branch by way of pretty flowers!...or is he? Is there poison ivy on those flowers? Herpes or syphillitic buds? We shall never know...
...even if the rat is in fact not a rat and some sort of ferret hybrid, I'll still be pleased.
I'm hoping it's a piece of paper with the image of an elephant, a bouquet of flowers and a rat. I enjoy that image. It's an apologetic elephant!! Who can't love that? He's offering the rat an olive branch by way of pretty flowers!...or is he? Is there poison ivy on those flowers? Herpes or syphillitic buds? We shall never know...
...even if the rat is in fact not a rat and some sort of ferret hybrid, I'll still be pleased.
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by randomname on Feb 12, 2014 2:35:55 GMT 1, I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is.
That said, there's just an overall air of dishonesty about this print that I personally don't like. Even if you think he's only trying to con people hoping to cash in, it's still shady.
I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is. The point is someone could buy the print thinking it was made by Banksy, liking the image just fine. Then find out they were tricked. And that the person who posted it on Facebook is impersonating Banksy. If this were the case, I suspect they wouldn't be so fond of the image. That said, there's just an overall air of dishonesty about this print that I personally don't like. Even if you think he's only trying to con people hoping to cash in, it's still shady. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by kbfrombk on Feb 12, 2014 2:41:29 GMT 1, I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is. The point is someone could buy the print thinking it was made by Banksy, liking the image just fine. Then find out they were tricked. And that the person who posted it on Facebook is impersonating Banksy. If this were the case, I suspect they wouldn't be so fond of the image. That said, there's just an overall air of dishonesty about this print that I personally don't like. Even if you think he's only trying to con people hoping to cash in, it's still shady.
I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is. The point is someone could buy the print thinking it was made by Banksy, liking the image just fine. Then find out they were tricked. And that the person who posted it on Facebook is impersonating Banksy. If this were the case, I suspect they wouldn't be so fond of the image. That said, there's just an overall air of dishonesty about this print that I personally don't like. Even if you think he's only trying to con people hoping to cash in, it's still shady. did this outis or did someone whoever, put this artwork up on a fake banksy site? if so, that muddles things... |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by bmerel on Feb 12, 2014 2:50:39 GMT 1, The Facebook page that it's on has been following all of banksy's better out than in NYC extravaganza. It's been around for a little while. No idea how long but at least 4 months or so, I'm guessing.
Edit: Facebook page was created October 1st, 2013.
The Facebook page that it's on has been following all of banksy's better out than in NYC extravaganza. It's been around for a little while. No idea how long but at least 4 months or so, I'm guessing.
Edit: Facebook page was created October 1st, 2013.
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by biscuitsandgravy on Feb 12, 2014 2:57:50 GMT 1, He's offering the rat an olive branch by way of pretty flowers!...or is he? Is there poison ivy on those flowers? Herpes or syphillitic buds? We shall never know...
well there is a mouse trap and some venus fly traps in there...
He's offering the rat an olive branch by way of pretty flowers!...or is he? Is there poison ivy on those flowers? Herpes or syphillitic buds? We shall never know... well there is a mouse trap and some venus fly traps in there... |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by maddoghoek100 on Feb 12, 2014 3:07:11 GMT 1, yes, from earlier in the thread:
it is posted on the fake banksy facebook
www.facebook.com/banksyny.co.uk
all of the discussion about if this is or is not deceptive, or if people deserve to get burned or not seems irrelevant. The artist clearly has intent to create the illusion that this could be a Banksy. For the sake of argument i will call this whole thing a piece of performance art on the nature of the art world. Good for them, it was done better when the Authentic Fake Banksy pieces were sold in central park.
Graffiti Prints has said this is 99.9% not Banksy, but this will hang like an albatross for a long time if they go through with it. If they really just love making beautiful prints, this was sent anonymously, they decided to release it, and were unaware of the attribution on facebook, they are certainly aware now. they should pull the plug on this or for their own sake they should at the very least put a large disclaimer on the purchase page. It should not say 99.9%, it should say this is not, never will be, absolutely. Life is short, the internet has a long memory, and regardless of the role they play in this they will be blamed.
yes, from earlier in the thread: it is posted on the fake banksy facebook www.facebook.com/banksyny.co.ukall of the discussion about if this is or is not deceptive, or if people deserve to get burned or not seems irrelevant. The artist clearly has intent to create the illusion that this could be a Banksy. For the sake of argument i will call this whole thing a piece of performance art on the nature of the art world. Good for them, it was done better when the Authentic Fake Banksy pieces were sold in central park. Graffiti Prints has said this is 99.9% not Banksy, but this will hang like an albatross for a long time if they go through with it. If they really just love making beautiful prints, this was sent anonymously, they decided to release it, and were unaware of the attribution on facebook, they are certainly aware now. they should pull the plug on this or for their own sake they should at the very least put a large disclaimer on the purchase page. It should not say 99.9%, it should say this is not, never will be, absolutely. Life is short, the internet has a long memory, and regardless of the role they play in this they will be blamed. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by kbfrombk on Feb 12, 2014 3:08:02 GMT 1, well that sounds kinda annoying and the "real" outis may want to chase this phony and have them cease this madness lest his art lose all or most of any of its credibility (as seen currently).
well that sounds kinda annoying and the "real" outis may want to chase this phony and have them cease this madness lest his art lose all or most of any of its credibility (as seen currently). |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by shechtmr on Feb 12, 2014 3:09:16 GMT 1, the website www.artofoutis.com is registered in Scottsdale, AZ through godaddy
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by kbfrombk on Feb 12, 2014 3:10:48 GMT 1, godaddy is based in AZ... fwiw. just saying.
godaddy is based in AZ... fwiw. just saying. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by shechtmr on Feb 12, 2014 3:13:37 GMT 1, godaddy is based in AZ... fwiw. just saying.
godaddy is based in AZ... fwiw. just saying. well, guess my internet detective skills are not as great as I thought... |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by pcant on Feb 12, 2014 3:13:49 GMT 1, I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is. The point is someone could buy the print thinking it was made by Banksy, liking the image just fine. Then find out they were tricked. And that the person who posted it on Facebook is impersonating Banksy. If this were the case, I suspect they wouldn't be so fond of the image. That said, there's just an overall air of dishonesty about this print that I personally don't like. Even if you think he's only trying to con people hoping to cash in, it's still shady.
I get what you're saying, randonname, but I still content: If someone really likes Banksy, but this is not signed Banksy, and they don't like the image but are buying it because they THINK it's Banksy, they are buying it as an investment. And if they like the image, then it doesn't matter who made it. This is not a Banksy image. It is not signed Banksy. Anyone thinking it is Banksy is *hoping* it's Banksy, they don't know if it is. The point is someone could buy the print thinking it was made by Banksy, liking the image just fine. Then find out they were tricked. And that the person who posted it on Facebook is impersonating Banksy. If this were the case, I suspect they wouldn't be so fond of the image. That said, there's just an overall air of dishonesty about this print that I personally don't like. Even if you think he's only trying to con people hoping to cash in, it's still shady. OK, now we're getting to the crux of what I'm talking about: How were they "tricked"? Did they only like the piece of art if they thought it was a secret Banksy? Do they not like it if it turns out that it wasn't made by Banksy? Then they bought it for the wrong reason. If the only reason they buy the print is because they think it's Banksy, they are buying it for the wrong reason. I get the points you're making, about the shady FB page and all, but you're still saying they were tricked because they thought it was Banksy. Which implies it is somehow worth less if it's not, meaning their enjoyment is tied to the cachet of Banksy, not because they like the image. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by biscuitsandgravy on Feb 12, 2014 3:17:55 GMT 1, godaddy is based in AZ... fwiw. just saying. well, guess my internet detective skills are not as great as I thought...
and if you then google the address, you get this site..
www.logospecialist.net/icon-design.php
godaddy is based in AZ... fwiw. just saying. well, guess my internet detective skills are not as great as I thought... the registered address is definitely in scottsdale. its a mailbox at the UPS store. and if you then google the address, you get this site.. www.logospecialist.net/icon-design.php |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by morgan on Feb 12, 2014 3:26:24 GMT 1, Here are my .02.
I will go ahead and skip the whole if you like it buy it thing, that is fine and always true certainly. This whole thing comes down to GP as a business and how they are handling this and IMO there simply HAS to be more to this story than what is being said...and if that is NOT true then it frankly speaks volumes to how your business operates. Yes, I get that you like making something and like the img yada yada but in business you always want to know who the hell you are dealing with so I find this whole thing a mess if you really are being honest that you know literally zero than what has been said publicly, I just do not buy it. That said I do not believe any of that and I truly think you do know exactly whats being released and by whom and that this is a pretty damn good way to hype and sell a release. So kudos if I am right, and shame on you if I am wrong.
And I still would love to hear about the pricing structure regarding the open ed, that still has not been addressed that I have seen. More prints = cheaper the materials/costs. Why not just reverse the prices? Makes no sense.
/end blog and gl either way, just my honest critique
Here are my .02.
I will go ahead and skip the whole if you like it buy it thing, that is fine and always true certainly. This whole thing comes down to GP as a business and how they are handling this and IMO there simply HAS to be more to this story than what is being said...and if that is NOT true then it frankly speaks volumes to how your business operates. Yes, I get that you like making something and like the img yada yada but in business you always want to know who the hell you are dealing with so I find this whole thing a mess if you really are being honest that you know literally zero than what has been said publicly, I just do not buy it. That said I do not believe any of that and I truly think you do know exactly whats being released and by whom and that this is a pretty damn good way to hype and sell a release. So kudos if I am right, and shame on you if I am wrong.
And I still would love to hear about the pricing structure regarding the open ed, that still has not been addressed that I have seen. More prints = cheaper the materials/costs. Why not just reverse the prices? Makes no sense.
/end blog and gl either way, just my honest critique
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by biscuitsandgravy on Feb 12, 2014 3:30:52 GMT 1, And I still would love to hear about the pricing structure regarding the open ed, that still has not been addressed that I have seen. More prints = cheaper the materials/costs. Why not just reverse the prices? Makes no sense.
truthfully, grey is much better than the pink. i might think the idea behind it is that the pink is less liked or sought after and therefore will end with a smaller edition, therefore 'justifying' a higher price.
the only way one might counter this would be that both prints will be highly sought after, the grey will be sold out, after sell out pertinent information about the artist/print may be released causing people to want the print and to be able to get the timed edition print. but that's just hype, and no one likes hype or games.
And I still would love to hear about the pricing structure regarding the open ed, that still has not been addressed that I have seen. More prints = cheaper the materials/costs. Why not just reverse the prices? Makes no sense. truthfully, grey is much better than the pink. i might think the idea behind it is that the pink is less liked or sought after and therefore will end with a smaller edition, therefore 'justifying' a higher price. the only way one might counter this would be that both prints will be highly sought after, the grey will be sold out, after sell out pertinent information about the artist/print may be released causing people to want the print and to be able to get the timed edition print. but that's just hype, and no one likes hype or games. |
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OUTIS • Print Release • Street Art, by Hairbland on Feb 12, 2014 3:34:07 GMT 1, i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am...
And I'd drop a few quid for a gamble, what the hell.
i am honestly stunned by this thread in all sorts of ways. i repeat im 99.9% sure its not banksy and i never linked it to him. i know it sounds hard to understand working with a artist you have never met and dont know who they are but you do get a feel for people in emails and i go on gut instinct right or wrong but i do. to be fair to this print its a beautiful 6 colour screen print, i am bummed no one noticed the flash of gold metallic in the yellow of the flowers thats the geek i am... Living in Brooklyn and enjoying last October, I would have to say that if the print itself is not considered a BANKSY then this thread at least should be considered a BANKSY! And I'd drop a few quid for a gamble, what the hell. |
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