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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 15:04:51 GMT 1, what a scumbag! From your gallery?
what a scumbag! From your gallery?
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Dungle on Mar 2, 2014 15:04:54 GMT 1, Wow, what a cunt. I take it you got the print back?
Outrageously brazen.
Wow, what a cunt. I take it you got the print back?
Outrageously brazen.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Pure Evil on Mar 2, 2014 15:19:21 GMT 1, Yeah I got the print back..
Yeah I got the print back..
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Jameszee on Mar 2, 2014 15:33:43 GMT 1, What a tosspot - glad you got it back!
What a tosspot - glad you got it back!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by seasideindian on Mar 2, 2014 15:48:20 GMT 1, Has a post been removed ? Good on you PE, a top gentleman who puts art out there for people to enjoy and NOT to be robbed from !
Has a post been removed ? Good on you PE, a top gentleman who puts art out there for people to enjoy and NOT to be robbed from !
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 15:53:35 GMT 1, Has a post been removed ? Good on you PE, a top gentleman who puts art out there for people to enjoy and NOT to be robbed from ! Yeah bigguy apparently knows him an can vouch for him ha
Has a post been removed ? Good on you PE, a top gentleman who puts art out there for people to enjoy and NOT to be robbed from ! Yeah bigguy apparently knows him an can vouch for him ha
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by seasideindian on Mar 2, 2014 17:01:51 GMT 1, Thought I read another post !!! Top stuff Invaded thought I was losing the plot ! Didn't like the post I read too
Thought I read another post !!! Top stuff Invaded thought I was losing the plot ! Didn't like the post I read too
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 17:15:08 GMT 1, I thought I could quote it as hadn't refreshed on my I pad an it was still there but wouldn't let me
I thought I could quote it as hadn't refreshed on my I pad an it was still there but wouldn't let me
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by randomname on Mar 2, 2014 17:52:22 GMT 1, Glad you got your print back. On the Banksy side, it's interesting that when old, rich, white guys steal street art, everyone grumbles but ultimately no one does anything. But when a not so wealthy black guy steals street art, he's arrested and convicted of attempting to convert criminal property.
Glad you got your print back. On the Banksy side, it's interesting that when old, rich, white guys steal street art, everyone grumbles but ultimately no one does anything. But when a not so wealthy black guy steals street art, he's arrested and convicted of attempting to convert criminal property.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 17:59:17 GMT 1, Wasn't he only convicted cos it was hotel property? Normally pieces that are taken from public property are not pursued. Still theft all the same! If a white guy went into a gallery an stole a print he would also be convicted. Race doesn't come into at all!
Wasn't he only convicted cos it was hotel property? Normally pieces that are taken from public property are not pursued. Still theft all the same! If a white guy went into a gallery an stole a print he would also be convicted. Race doesn't come into at all!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:03:33 GMT 1, Glad you got your print back. On the Banksy side, it's interesting that when old, rich, white guys steal street art, everyone grumbles but ultimately no one does anything. But when a not so wealthy black guy steals street art, he's arrested and convicted of attempting to convert criminal property.
You have a point but I think in most cases the owner of the property was informed & paidโฆ except in New Orleansโฆ.They should hog tie those guys!
Glad you got your print back. On the Banksy side, it's interesting that when old, rich, white guys steal street art, everyone grumbles but ultimately no one does anything. But when a not so wealthy black guy steals street art, he's arrested and convicted of attempting to convert criminal property. You have a point but I think in most cases the owner of the property was informed & paidโฆ except in New Orleansโฆ.They should hog tie those guys!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by born2sk8 on Mar 2, 2014 18:05:31 GMT 1, Yes invaded. I think it's a different matter your speaking about random if ne person black or white walked into pure evils gallery n stole a piece while he's there with his baby he'd b convicted.
Yes invaded. I think it's a different matter your speaking about random if ne person black or white walked into pure evils gallery n stole a piece while he's there with his baby he'd b convicted.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:12:53 GMT 1, Yeah I got the print back..
Well done you for being so quick footed, babies do slow you down!
I once chased and caught someone who'd pickpocket my wife's purseโฆ the would be thief gave it up very quickly, but on reflection it could have got quite nasty!
I'm glad in both these cases the situation didn't spiral out of control...!
Yeah I got the print back.. Well done you for being so quick footed, babies do slow you down! I once chased and caught someone who'd pickpocket my wife's purseโฆ the would be thief gave it up very quickly, but on reflection it could have got quite nasty! I'm glad in both these cases the situation didn't spiral out of control...!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 18:16:44 GMT 1, Yeah well done on confronting the guy and getting the print back man!
Yeah well done on confronting the guy and getting the print back man!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Pure Evil on Mar 2, 2014 18:21:22 GMT 1,
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:24:02 GMT 1, If i were Leon i would cut this out and get it framed as soon as possible. A custom signed Pure Evil!! Nice!
If i were Leon i would cut this out and get it framed as soon as possible. A custom signed Pure Evil!! Nice!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Hubble Bubble on Mar 2, 2014 18:39:55 GMT 1, Class, PEโฆ
Class, PEโฆ
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by randomname on Mar 2, 2014 18:50:41 GMT 1, The way I look at it is street art is a gift to the public, not to whoever happens to own the wall. If someone steals a piece of street art, the building's owner would only be entitled to having their wall restored to its original condition.
It's probably a bit of a grey area legally. If someone defaces a Banksy, they're generally not arrested or prosecuted. In the rare instances where they are, it' only for vandalism to the wall, not for destroying a million dollar work of art. And the building owner's insurance company isn't going to write a check for a million dollars. If the art is not treated as their property in those cases, I don't think they can say they really own it.
The way I look at it is street art is a gift to the public, not to whoever happens to own the wall. If someone steals a piece of street art, the building's owner would only be entitled to having their wall restored to its original condition.
It's probably a bit of a grey area legally. If someone defaces a Banksy, they're generally not arrested or prosecuted. In the rare instances where they are, it' only for vandalism to the wall, not for destroying a million dollar work of art. And the building owner's insurance company isn't going to write a check for a million dollars. If the art is not treated as their property in those cases, I don't think they can say they really own it.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 18:54:39 GMT 1, awesome man!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 18:56:24 GMT 1, Wasn't he only convicted cos it was hotel property? Normally pieces that are taken from public property are not pursued. Still theft all the same! If a white guy went into a gallery an stole a print he would also be convicted. Race doesn't come into at all!
Totally agree, scumbags come in all colours and sizes. Not sure why race was brought into this in the first place.
Wasn't he only convicted cos it was hotel property? Normally pieces that are taken from public property are not pursued. Still theft all the same! If a white guy went into a gallery an stole a print he would also be convicted. Race doesn't come into at all! Totally agree, scumbags come in all colours and sizes. Not sure why race was brought into this in the first place.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Hubble Bubble on Mar 2, 2014 19:05:22 GMT 1, The way I look at it is street art is a gift to the public, not to whoever happens to own the wall. If someone steals a piece of street art, the building's owner would only be entitled to having their wall restored to its original condition. Yeah, but you'd have to ask them first as you couldn't simply remove said wall and 'restore' it without their permission, otherwise, people would be taking a fancy to all sorts of things and 'removing' them then 'restoring' what they'd taken. So, surely, as nothing can be done to that wall without their permission, for all intents and purposes the owners of the wall are in control of and 'own' the art that appears on it?
Not picking a fight, randomnameโฆ but that's how I'd see it...
The way I look at it is street art is a gift to the public, not to whoever happens to own the wall. If someone steals a piece of street art, the building's owner would only be entitled to having their wall restored to its original condition. Yeah, but you'd have to ask them first as you couldn't simply remove said wall and 'restore' it without their permission, otherwise, people would be taking a fancy to all sorts of things and 'removing' them then 'restoring' what they'd taken. So, surely, as nothing can be done to that wall without their permission, for all intents and purposes the owners of the wall are in control of and 'own' the art that appears on it? Not picking a fight, randomnameโฆ but that's how I'd see it...
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by randomname on Mar 2, 2014 19:17:31 GMT 1, The way I look at it is street art is a gift to the public, not to whoever happens to own the wall. If someone steals a piece of street art, the building's owner would only be entitled to having their wall restored to its original condition. Yeah, but you'd have to ask them first as you couldn't simply remove said wall and 'restore' it without their permission, otherwise, people would be taking a fancy to all sorts of things and 'removing' them then 'restoring' what they'd taken. So, surely, as nothing can be done to that wall without their permission, for all intents and purposes the owners of the wall are in control of and 'own' the art that appears on it? Not picking a fight, randomnameโฆ but that's how I'd see it... I'm just pointing out an inconsistency in the law. Or the way it's enforced. It looks like he was prosecuted based on the value of the art, not on simple vandalism charges. If it had been defaced, the hotel's insurance company wouldn't have been liable for the value of the art. In this case, they wouldn't have paid the full value of the art when it was stolen. They would only cover the cost of the panel, which is probably less than their deductible.
Almost every Banksy from BOTI was defaced within hours or days. No one was arrested or prosecuted. And no insurance companies paid out any six or seven figure claims. So it's interesting that street art suddenly has more value in this particular case.
The way I look at it is street art is a gift to the public, not to whoever happens to own the wall. If someone steals a piece of street art, the building's owner would only be entitled to having their wall restored to its original condition. Yeah, but you'd have to ask them first as you couldn't simply remove said wall and 'restore' it without their permission, otherwise, people would be taking a fancy to all sorts of things and 'removing' them then 'restoring' what they'd taken. So, surely, as nothing can be done to that wall without their permission, for all intents and purposes the owners of the wall are in control of and 'own' the art that appears on it? Not picking a fight, randomnameโฆ but that's how I'd see it... I'm just pointing out an inconsistency in the law. Or the way it's enforced. It looks like he was prosecuted based on the value of the art, not on simple vandalism charges. If it had been defaced, the hotel's insurance company wouldn't have been liable for the value of the art. In this case, they wouldn't have paid the full value of the art when it was stolen. They would only cover the cost of the panel, which is probably less than their deductible. Almost every Banksy from BOTI was defaced within hours or days. No one was arrested or prosecuted. And no insurance companies paid out any six or seven figure claims. So it's interesting that street art suddenly has more value in this particular case.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by seasideindian on Mar 2, 2014 19:18:35 GMT 1, Totally agree with Amboguy as to why the race was played in the first place. Cracking piece though Charley !!!
Totally agree with Amboguy as to why the race was played in the first place. Cracking piece though Charley !!!
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by randomname on Mar 2, 2014 19:34:41 GMT 1, Totally agree with Amboguy as to why the race was played in the first place. Cracking piece though Charley !!! Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system.
There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities. Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership.
The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will.
Totally agree with Amboguy as to why the race was played in the first place. Cracking piece though Charley !!! Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities. Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by born2sk8 on Mar 2, 2014 21:28:02 GMT 1, Totally agree with Amboguy as to why the race was played in the first place. Cracking piece though Charley !!! Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities.ย Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will.ย
Are legal system is bent and corrupt because of rich and power hungry people no doubt. Mr Lawrence here is simply being made an example of because of the value he tried to sell this stolen piece for. If this was on public property this wouldn't of happened because clearly you couldn't class this as handling stolen goods unless there was someone to of stolen it from. He's clearly just a thief and a stupid one at that, this is nothing to do with skin colour or class.
Totally agree with Amboguy as to why the race was played in the first place. Cracking piece though Charley !!! Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities.ย Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will.ย Are legal system is bent and corrupt because of rich and power hungry people no doubt. Mr Lawrence here is simply being made an example of because of the value he tried to sell this stolen piece for. If this was on public property this wouldn't of happened because clearly you couldn't class this as handling stolen goods unless there was someone to of stolen it from. He's clearly just a thief and a stupid one at that, this is nothing to do with skin colour or class.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Deleted on Mar 2, 2014 21:51:14 GMT 1, Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities.ย Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will.ย Are legal system is bent and corrupt because of rich and power hungry people no doubt. Mr Lawrence here is simply being made an example of because of the value he tried to sell this stolen piece for. If this was on public property this wouldn't of happened because clearly you couldn't class this as handling stolen goods unless there was someone to of stolen it from. He's clearly just a thief and a stupid one at that, this is nothing to do with skin colour or class.
Here here.
Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities.ย Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will.ย Are legal system is bent and corrupt because of rich and power hungry people no doubt. Mr Lawrence here is simply being made an example of because of the value he tried to sell this stolen piece for. If this was on public property this wouldn't of happened because clearly you couldn't class this as handling stolen goods unless there was someone to of stolen it from. He's clearly just a thief and a stupid one at that, this is nothing to do with skin colour or class. Here here.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by randomname on Mar 2, 2014 22:08:22 GMT 1, Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities. Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will. Are legal system is bent and corrupt because of rich and power hungry people no doubt. Mr Lawrence here is simply being made an example of because of the value he tried to sell this stolen piece for. If this was on public property this wouldn't of happened because clearly you couldn't class this as handling stolen goods unless there was someone to of stolen it from. He's clearly just a thief and a stupid one at that, this is nothing to do with skin colour or class. He should have been charged with a crime. He even should have been charged with stealing something valuable. But what he stole of value, he stole from the public, not a private company.
In the same vein, rich gallery owners should probably be charged with possession of stolen property when they remove a piece of street art that was intended for the public.
There's a movement towards treating street art as part of our cultural heritage to prevent individuals from claiming it as their own. There's a moral and legal argument to be made there.
What's also interesting is that the idea of graffiti holding intrinsic value is relatively new. In the eyes of the law, it's considered vandalism. Which is why insurance companies won't pay on a claim if you report vandalism of your vandalism. And it's why raggers aren't arrested and prosecuted for anything other than simple vandalism. So it seems odd that in this one particular case, he was prosecuted based on the value of the art.
Lower income individuals face higher prosecution rates and receive harsher penalties than wealthier individuals when charged with the same crime. Likewise, racial minorities are prosecuted more often and receive harsher sentences when charged with the same crime. In this case, he was treated differently than every other case I've seen of street art theft or vandalism. That might be coincidental. Or it might not.
Because of racial inequality in the legal justice system. But the main point was class/income inequality in the legal system. There's a movement towards treating street art in the same manner as antiquities. Sothebyโs London already refuses to sell any Banksy street art without a COA from Pest Control, as they believe there's no clear ownership. The issue is that those with money and power are bending the law to their will. Are legal system is bent and corrupt because of rich and power hungry people no doubt. Mr Lawrence here is simply being made an example of because of the value he tried to sell this stolen piece for. If this was on public property this wouldn't of happened because clearly you couldn't class this as handling stolen goods unless there was someone to of stolen it from. He's clearly just a thief and a stupid one at that, this is nothing to do with skin colour or class. He should have been charged with a crime. He even should have been charged with stealing something valuable. But what he stole of value, he stole from the public, not a private company. In the same vein, rich gallery owners should probably be charged with possession of stolen property when they remove a piece of street art that was intended for the public. There's a movement towards treating street art as part of our cultural heritage to prevent individuals from claiming it as their own. There's a moral and legal argument to be made there. What's also interesting is that the idea of graffiti holding intrinsic value is relatively new. In the eyes of the law, it's considered vandalism. Which is why insurance companies won't pay on a claim if you report vandalism of your vandalism. And it's why raggers aren't arrested and prosecuted for anything other than simple vandalism. So it seems odd that in this one particular case, he was prosecuted based on the value of the art. Lower income individuals face higher prosecution rates and receive harsher penalties than wealthier individuals when charged with the same crime. Likewise, racial minorities are prosecuted more often and receive harsher sentences when charged with the same crime. In this case, he was treated differently than every other case I've seen of street art theft or vandalism. That might be coincidental. Or it might not.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by Invaded 420 on Mar 2, 2014 22:27:36 GMT 1, He stole from the hotel company, he damaged there property by stealing a panel and alarm bell off there building did he not? It wasn't a public building it was private.
He stole from the hotel company, he damaged there property by stealing a panel and alarm bell off there building did he not? It wasn't a public building it was private.
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Banksy 'Sperm Alarm' Thief strikes again..., by randomname on Mar 2, 2014 22:36:00 GMT 1, He should have been charged with a crime. He even should have been charged with stealing something valuable. But what he stole of value, he stole from the public, not a private company... So it seems odd that in this one particular case, he was prosecuted based on the value of the art. You're missing a very important point, Lawrence wasn't convicted of selling artwork, he was convicted of attempting to convert criminal property, that property bring the sprinkler alarm and a portion of the wall belonging to the Hesperia hotel. The point is the court valued that property at ยฃ17,000, not at the value of the sprinkler alarm and the panel it was attached to.
The judge, Mr Recorder Peter Lodder QC handed Lawrence a suspended sentence and said: โYou were convicted by the jury of attempting to convert or transfer criminal property.
โThat criminal property was a section of wall which bore a Banksy work of graffiti art which you attempted to sell for ยฃ17,000.
โI bear in mind that value, I also bear in mind that the section of wall was stolen on February 11, 2011, and found on your computer was a photo showing you had possession of that artwork by just before 2pm the next day.
He should have been charged with a crime. He even should have been charged with stealing something valuable. But what he stole of value, he stole from the public, not a private company... So it seems odd that in this one particular case, he was prosecuted based on the value of the art. You're missing a very important point, Lawrence wasn't convicted of selling artwork, he was convicted of attempting to convert criminal property, that property bring the sprinkler alarm and a portion of the wall belonging to the Hesperia hotel. The point is the court valued that property at ยฃ17,000, not at the value of the sprinkler alarm and the panel it was attached to. The judge, Mr Recorder Peter Lodder QC handed Lawrence a suspended sentence and said: โYou were convicted by the jury of attempting to convert or transfer criminal property.
โThat criminal property was a section of wall which bore a Banksy work of graffiti art which you attempted to sell for ยฃ17,000.
โI bear in mind that value, I also bear in mind that the section of wall was stolen on February 11, 2011, and found on your computer was a photo showing you had possession of that artwork by just before 2pm the next day.
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