Dr Plip
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New work by Eelus, by Dr Plip on Nov 2, 2014 14:40:15 GMT 1, Two different threads on here, both on the same topic. Stock images and "you're not a proper artist, you cant draw". What are the odds?
Two different threads on here, both on the same topic. Stock images and "you're not a proper artist, you cant draw". What are the odds?
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 2, 2014 14:55:28 GMT 1, I dont agree with you on this. If you bluntly take an image by two artists (one the singer, the other the photographer) and use it without their knowledge, without crediting them, still calling yourself an artist in the process of doing that, then you are what I'd call a douchebag of an artist. How can an artist act with so little respect to others creative work and demand respect for his/her own work? Then the correct term is hypocrite not douchebag....
I dont agree with you on this. If you bluntly take an image by two artists (one the singer, the other the photographer) and use it without their knowledge, without crediting them, still calling yourself an artist in the process of doing that, then you are what I'd call a douchebag of an artist. How can an artist act with so little respect to others creative work and demand respect for his/her own work? Then the correct term is hypocrite not douchebag.... you are right, but as said, I'd call him a douchebag of an artist. Afterall a hypocrite is a douchebag to me. |
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New work by Eelus, by sgolby on Nov 2, 2014 14:57:00 GMT 1, Then the correct term is hypocrite not douchebag.... you are right, but as said, I'd call him a douchebag of an artist. Afterall a hypocrite is a douchebag to me.
Then the correct term is hypocrite not douchebag.... you are right, but as said, I'd call him a douchebag of an artist. Afterall a hypocrite is a douchebag to me. Touche... |
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New work by Eelus, by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 15:18:52 GMT 1, As an artist, I have no problem with that piece by Eelus. He changed both images enough and created something beautiful. Copyright and trademark laws have gotten way out of whack. The same laws that were created to protect artists and inventors are now prohibiting innovation. Damn Sonny Bono.
As an artist, I have no problem with that piece by Eelus. He changed both images enough and created something beautiful. Copyright and trademark laws have gotten way out of whack. The same laws that were created to protect artists and inventors are now prohibiting innovation. Damn Sonny Bono.
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New work by Eelus, by Dr Plip on Nov 2, 2014 16:05:58 GMT 1, Stock images of a Singer and an Owl.
It's actually not as easy as it looks.
But this image didn't exist until I put these components together. If I'm directly asked whether I used stock images and I say no, then there's an issue for me.
Edit: Actually, I think Etsy would be all over this.
Stock images of a Singer and an Owl. It's actually not as easy as it looks. But this image didn't exist until I put these components together. If I'm directly asked whether I used stock images and I say no, then there's an issue for me. Edit: Actually, I think Etsy would be all over this. |
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New work by Eelus, by natstan on Nov 2, 2014 16:32:48 GMT 1, Stock images of a Singer and an Owl. It's actually not as easy as it looks. But this image didn't exist until I put these components together. If I'm directly asked whether I used stock images and I say no, then there's an issue for me. Edit: Actually, I think Etsy would be all over this.
As an analogy, in design nothing has never been designed before. It's how one pieces together elements that were designed in the past and combine them to create something new. In Eelus's example, I think he did enough to create an entirely new idea based on an original image. It's at least how I see it in my humble opinion.
This is totally not the same as MW's case on the other thread. There is not enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea. And that's the very reason I felt the dude calling Eelus a douchebag has to relax a little.
Stock images of a Singer and an Owl. It's actually not as easy as it looks. But this image didn't exist until I put these components together. If I'm directly asked whether I used stock images and I say no, then there's an issue for me. Edit: Actually, I think Etsy would be all over this. As an analogy, in design nothing has never been designed before. It's how one pieces together elements that were designed in the past and combine them to create something new. In Eelus's example, I think he did enough to create an entirely new idea based on an original image. It's at least how I see it in my humble opinion. This is totally not the same as MW's case on the other thread. There is not enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea. And that's the very reason I felt the dude calling Eelus a douchebag has to relax a little. |
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 2, 2014 17:46:38 GMT 1, This is totally not the same as MW's case on the other thread. There is not enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea. And that's the very reason I felt the dude calling Eelus a douchebag has to relax a little.
Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad.
This is totally not the same as MW's case on the other thread. There is not enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea. And that's the very reason I felt the dude calling Eelus a douchebag has to relax a little. You clearly missed my point then. I dont go out and consider artists as what I'd call douchebag without a reason. And who is there to judge your "...enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea" - this is very far away from being objective. Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. |
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New work by Eelus, by natstan on Nov 2, 2014 17:48:13 GMT 1, This is totally not the same as MW's case on the other thread. There is not enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea. And that's the very reason I felt the dude calling Eelus a douchebag has to relax a little. You clearly missed my point then. I dont go out and consider artists as what I'd call douchebag without a reason. And who is there to judge your "...enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea" - this is very far away from being objective. Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad.
And who is there to judge my opinion then? 
This is totally not the same as MW's case on the other thread. There is not enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea. And that's the very reason I felt the dude calling Eelus a douchebag has to relax a little. You clearly missed my point then. I dont go out and consider artists as what I'd call douchebag without a reason. And who is there to judge your "...enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea" - this is very far away from being objective. Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. And who is there to judge my opinion then? |
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 2, 2014 17:53:27 GMT 1, You clearly missed my point then. I dont go out and consider artists as what I'd call douchebag without a reason. And who is there to judge your "...enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea" - this is very far away from being objective. Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. And who is there to judge my opinion then?
You clearly missed my point then. I dont go out and consider artists as what I'd call douchebag without a reason. And who is there to judge your "...enough differentiation or originality to distinct it from the 'old' idea" - this is very far away from being objective. Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. And who is there to judge my opinion then? That is what I mean you can't view art thieft from one's opinion. In your opinion it is enough differentation, yet you still see the original source and can probably agree on the proof where it came from. Eelus stole and used works from others without asking for permission or crediting them - that is a fact. I call him a douchebag of an artist because of that, that is my opinion - the thing you judged and which is hard to argue about. |
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 2, 2014 17:54:38 GMT 1, If I'm directly asked whether I used stock images and I say no, then there's an issue for me.
If I'm directly asked whether I used stock images and I say no, then there's an issue for me. That's not how it works though. |
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New work by Eelus, by natstan on Nov 2, 2014 17:58:15 GMT 1, And who is there to judge my opinion then? That is what I mean you can't view art thieft from one's opinion. In your opinion it is enough differentation, yet you still see the original source and can probably agree on the proof where it came from. Eelus stole and used works from others without asking for permission or crediting them - that is a fact. I call him a douchebag of an artist because of that, that is my opinion - the thing you judged and which is hard to argue about.
Okay, not going to change your opinion (not even tryin to in the first place). He's a douchebag
And who is there to judge my opinion then? That is what I mean you can't view art thieft from one's opinion. In your opinion it is enough differentation, yet you still see the original source and can probably agree on the proof where it came from. Eelus stole and used works from others without asking for permission or crediting them - that is a fact. I call him a douchebag of an artist because of that, that is my opinion - the thing you judged and which is hard to argue about. Okay, not going to change your opinion (not even tryin to in the first place). He's a douchebag |
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New work by Eelus, by gatecrasher on Nov 3, 2014 6:58:59 GMT 1, Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad.
Perhaps his "artistry" is taking an original model image (which is a pretty poor photo imho) and sticking an owl/branches on top ?
Also who uses the term "douchebag" ? Have you just watched a mashup of Bill and Teds excellent Adventure/Waynes World and think it's a word people use in 2014 ?
Sphincter says what ?
Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. The website you use as source doesn't credit the photographer for the model image or model/photographer for most of it's content. Maybe you should take your moral outrage out on them, as well as a talented artist that has produced a consistantly good body of work over many years. Perhaps his "artistry" is taking an original model image (which is a pretty poor photo imho) and sticking an owl/branches on top ? Also who uses the term "douchebag" ? Have you just watched a mashup of Bill and Teds excellent Adventure/Waynes World and think it's a word people use in 2014 ? Sphincter says what ? |
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 3, 2014 8:46:35 GMT 1, Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. The website you use as source doesn't credit the photographer for the model image or model/photographer for most of it's content. Maybe you should take your moral outrage out on them, as well as a talented artist that has produced a consistantly good body of work over many years. Perhaps his "artistry" is taking an original model image (which is a pretty poor photo imho) and sticking an owl/branches on top ? Also who uses the term "douchebag" ? Have you just watched a mashup of Bill and Teds excellent Adventure/Waynes World and think it's a word people use in 2014 ? Sphincter says what ?
Yes maybe it is & again I never judged the actual design or his other past work - I liked his stuff until I discovered that image (one example is enough to make him look bad and makes me wonder if there's more he has taken without permission or credits).
I judged the sheer act of using the photo of a professional singer shot by a professional photographer without permission and without credits. That clearly doesn't make him a moral instance.
While I could easily ignore your butthurt feelings - did I personally offend you?- I still answer you: I use this term. I'm not a native English speaker, yet having been in the US for some time recently (yeah also in 2014), I can tell you that people still use the terminus for hypocrite/bad/stupid/ignorant acts.
Furthermore I never judged the actual design/mash up he created of the source images - the lack of credits, permission make it have a bitter taste and make Eelus look bad. The website you use as source doesn't credit the photographer for the model image or model/photographer for most of it's content. Maybe you should take your moral outrage out on them, as well as a talented artist that has produced a consistantly good body of work over many years. Perhaps his "artistry" is taking an original model image (which is a pretty poor photo imho) and sticking an owl/branches on top ? Also who uses the term "douchebag" ? Have you just watched a mashup of Bill and Teds excellent Adventure/Waynes World and think it's a word people use in 2014 ? Sphincter says what ? The homepage, as far as I can tell doesn't make money from that said images or claim it as theirs. Yet I don't see your point. This is an art board & we are in a thread about Eelus here, where it should be legitimate to openly discuss his works. Sending someone off, because of stuff you do not want to hear/see is a bit weird to me. Yes maybe it is & again I never judged the actual design or his other past work - I liked his stuff until I discovered that image (one example is enough to make him look bad and makes me wonder if there's more he has taken without permission or credits). I judged the sheer act of using the photo of a professional singer shot by a professional photographer without permission and without credits. That clearly doesn't make him a moral instance. While I could easily ignore your butthurt feelings - did I personally offend you?- I still answer you: I use this term. I'm not a native English speaker, yet having been in the US for some time recently (yeah also in 2014), I can tell you that people still use the terminus for hypocrite/bad/stupid/ignorant acts. |
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New work by Eelus, by gatecrasher on Nov 3, 2014 10:10:20 GMT 1, No I'm not personally offended.
I suppose Im just like a fair few of the members on here that are sick of the negative posts that some people stick on the forum.
I'm all for discussing and learning about art but your post is all about telling us your opinion, as polarized as it is. Black is black and white is white with no middle ground for other peoples thoughts and that is not the definition of discussion.
Are you the photographer ? If not what's his/her name ?
No I'm not personally offended.
I suppose Im just like a fair few of the members on here that are sick of the negative posts that some people stick on the forum.
I'm all for discussing and learning about art but your post is all about telling us your opinion, as polarized as it is. Black is black and white is white with no middle ground for other peoples thoughts and that is not the definition of discussion.
Are you the photographer ? If not what's his/her name ?
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New work by Eelus, by Forbidden Love on Nov 3, 2014 10:20:24 GMT 1, 
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New work by Eelus, by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 10:25:19 GMT 1, ^^^ and even this life changing proverb was nicked.
^^^ and even this life changing proverb was nicked.
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New work by Eelus, by mojo on Nov 3, 2014 11:58:12 GMT 1, With respect, I didn't have a clue who Anja Plaschg "Soup&Skin" was until I saw this post, maybe she would be happy that a few more people now know who she is and that a well known UK artist used her image as INSPIRATION for the artwork he created for the Mutate Britain show under the Westway in 2009. The image was titled Nesting and was also painted on to the wall under the tube track at the Mutate show, It looked stunning. I believe the print edition sold out in less than 48 hours, so very popular.
I think the guidelines in copyright are that if you change an image by 70% (?) as has been done with this image, all is well in the world and the sky doesn't fall down.
I love seeing Eelus work on the streets, his piece at Cans festival 'The Good the Bad & The Moon' was one of my favorite paintings from that show. He had the space directly next to the Banksy piece, the bleeding hearted hoodie,.........tough placement and not many artists could carry that off? He did though!
I don't think calling the artist childish names is really relevant ......... and PLEASE can we stop using the word 'Butthurt' it's making my brain hurt!
With respect, I didn't have a clue who Anja Plaschg "Soup&Skin" was until I saw this post, maybe she would be happy that a few more people now know who she is and that a well known UK artist used her image as INSPIRATION for the artwork he created for the Mutate Britain show under the Westway in 2009. The image was titled Nesting and was also painted on to the wall under the tube track at the Mutate show, It looked stunning. I believe the print edition sold out in less than 48 hours, so very popular. I think the guidelines in copyright are that if you change an image by 70% (?) as has been done with this image, all is well in the world and the sky doesn't fall down. I love seeing Eelus work on the streets, his piece at Cans festival 'The Good the Bad & The Moon' was one of my favorite paintings from that show. He had the space directly next to the Banksy piece, the bleeding hearted hoodie,.........tough placement and not many artists could carry that off? He did though! I don't think calling the artist childish names is really relevant ......... and PLEASE can we stop using the word 'Butthurt' it's making my brain hurt! |
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New work by Eelus, by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 12:03:03 GMT 1, I lost interest in this Eelus after this one: king-koala.tumblr.com/post/21265117703/so-the-first-picture-is-a-photo-auf-austrianSo the first picture is a photo auf Austrian singer Anja Plaschg better known as โSoup&Skinโ. The artist โEelusโ took that photoโฆapplied some contrast on it, added an owl like the on in the picture, some plants and TADA! you have a print that currently sells for US $1,227.76 on ebay. Yeah thatโs the art world as we know it. With respect, I didn't have a clue who Anja Plaschg "Soup&Skin" was until I saw this post, maybe she would be happy that a few more people now know who she is and that a well known UK artist used her image as INSPIRATION for the artwork he created for the Mutate Britain show under the Westway in 2009. The image was titled Nesting and was also painted on to the wall under the tube track at the Mutate show, It looked stunning. I believe the print edition sold out in less than 48 hours, so very popular. I think the guidelines in copyright are that if you change an image by 70% (?) as has been done with this image, all is well in the world and the sky doesn't fall down. I love seeing Eelus work on the streets, his piece at Cans festival 'The Good the Bad & The Moon' was one of my favorite paintings from that show. He had the space directly next to the Banksy piece, the bleeding hearted hoodie,.........tough placement and not many artists could carry that off? He did though! I don't think calling the artist childish names is really relevant ......... and PLEASE can we stop using the word 'Butthurt' it's making my brain hurt! 
I lost interest in this Eelus after this one: king-koala.tumblr.com/post/21265117703/so-the-first-picture-is-a-photo-auf-austrianSo the first picture is a photo auf Austrian singer Anja Plaschg better known as โSoup&Skinโ. The artist โEelusโ took that photoโฆapplied some contrast on it, added an owl like the on in the picture, some plants and TADA! you have a print that currently sells for US $1,227.76 on ebay. Yeah thatโs the art world as we know it. With respect, I didn't have a clue who Anja Plaschg "Soup&Skin" was until I saw this post, maybe she would be happy that a few more people now know who she is and that a well known UK artist used her image as INSPIRATION for the artwork he created for the Mutate Britain show under the Westway in 2009. The image was titled Nesting and was also painted on to the wall under the tube track at the Mutate show, It looked stunning. I believe the print edition sold out in less than 48 hours, so very popular. I think the guidelines in copyright are that if you change an image by 70% (?) as has been done with this image, all is well in the world and the sky doesn't fall down. I love seeing Eelus work on the streets, his piece at Cans festival 'The Good the Bad & The Moon' was one of my favorite paintings from that show. He had the space directly next to the Banksy piece, the bleeding hearted hoodie,.........tough placement and not many artists could carry that off? He did though! I don't think calling the artist childish names is really relevant ......... and PLEASE can we stop using the word 'Butthurt' it's making my brain hurt! Also title is "Soap&Skin" and not "Soup&Skin" |
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New work by Eelus, by tomawal on Nov 3, 2014 12:03:37 GMT 1, I think this work is a tribute to Conchita Wurst. Isn'It?
I think this work is a tribute to Conchita Wurst. Isn'It?
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 3, 2014 13:09:26 GMT 1, No I'm not personally offended. I suppose Im just like a fair few of the members on here that are sick of the negative posts that some people stick on the forum. I'm all for discussing and learning about art but your post is all about telling us your opinion, as polarized as it is. Black is black and white is white with no middle ground for other peoples thoughts and that is not the definition of discussion. Are you the photographer ? If not what's his/her name ?
You and some others just took my opinion (the opinion that I think Eelus looks bad for that) to discuss about.
No I'm not the photographer, but how does that even matter?
No I'm not personally offended. I suppose Im just like a fair few of the members on here that are sick of the negative posts that some people stick on the forum. I'm all for discussing and learning about art but your post is all about telling us your opinion, as polarized as it is. Black is black and white is white with no middle ground for other peoples thoughts and that is not the definition of discussion. Are you the photographer ? If not what's his/her name ? The facts were clearly no opinion - also such a fact can't be expressed positively. You and some others just took my opinion (the opinion that I think Eelus looks bad for that) to discuss about. No I'm not the photographer, but how does that even matter? |
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New work by Eelus, by NN on Nov 3, 2014 13:14:56 GMT 1, ...maybe she would be happy that a few more people now know who she is and that a well known UK artist used her image as INSPIRATION for the artwork he created....I believe the print edition sold out in less than 48 hours, so very popular. I think the guidelines in copyright are that if you change an image by 70% (?) as has been done with this image, all is well in the world and the sky doesn't fall down.
b) It is very popular, so that allows someone to steal? Hey urban outfitters steals so many designs and hey through that the original artists get some slight internet coverage - does that make it a legitimate to steal?
c) If these were the guidelines, I think Shepard Fairey would have never had to deal with the law; If these were the guidelines I doubt it would be possible to see a change of 70% from the contrasted image to the one Eelus used.
Also I was counting the hours until someone posted the Banksy piece. Banksy didn't want to cover it up where he got the quote from. He purposely made it seen that it was from Picasso, giving it some meaning + the art itself was created by him.
...maybe she would be happy that a few more people now know who she is and that a well known UK artist used her image as INSPIRATION for the artwork he created....I believe the print edition sold out in less than 48 hours, so very popular. I think the guidelines in copyright are that if you change an image by 70% (?) as has been done with this image, all is well in the world and the sky doesn't fall down. a) Maybe she would, I don't know. Yet this again, is not for discussion. The fact that a well known artist does that makes me just shake my head. b) It is very popular, so that allows someone to steal? Hey urban outfitters steals so many designs and hey through that the original artists get some slight internet coverage - does that make it a legitimate to steal? c) If these were the guidelines, I think Shepard Fairey would have never had to deal with the law; If these were the guidelines I doubt it would be possible to see a change of 70% from the contrasted image to the one Eelus used. Also I was counting the hours until someone posted the Banksy piece. Banksy didn't want to cover it up where he got the quote from. He purposely made it seen that it was from Picasso, giving it some meaning + the art itself was created by him. |
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New work by Eelus, by mojo on Nov 3, 2014 14:22:35 GMT 1, .
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New work by Eelus, by mojo on Nov 3, 2014 15:11:37 GMT 1, I just found this quote re: UK copyright
Looks like the laws are different in USA to UK?
"When you create a piece of artwork you hold the copyright. The law states that the minute you have created your artwork, or lay pen to paper, that it belongs to you, but even then only three changes need to be made to your design for it to be sufficiently different to not be classed as copyright infringement."
I just found this quote re: UK copyright
Looks like the laws are different in USA to UK?
"When you create a piece of artwork you hold the copyright. The law states that the minute you have created your artwork, or lay pen to paper, that it belongs to you, but even then only three changes need to be made to your design for it to be sufficiently different to not be classed as copyright infringement."
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New work by Eelus, by natstan on Nov 21, 2014 6:45:02 GMT 1, 
If this is his new direction (photo from his IG), I'm really loving it!
Conjuring? What's that? lol
If this is his new direction (photo from his IG), I'm really loving it! Conjuring? What's that? lol |
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New work by Eelus, by alittle on Nov 21, 2014 6:49:32 GMT 1, That's not his work. That is Scheme.
That's not his work. That is Scheme.
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natstan
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New work by Eelus, by natstan on Nov 21, 2014 7:01:28 GMT 1, That's not his work. That is Scheme.
Can't seem to find anything on scheme online. You have some links to share??
That's not his work. That is Scheme. Can't seem to find anything on scheme online. You have some links to share?? |
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