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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 10, 2014 22:48:56 GMT 1, This has gone much further than it really needed to.... The whole we hate MW and his repetitive tagging has turned into a hate mob saying this is shocking blah blah blah. This isn't a hangable offence in the UK... If he's out with copyright laws I'm sure there will be consequences, but to me,this is just people jumping on the bandwagon and wanting to shot first and ask questions later! GP has already posted on the thread, and it am sure he will again after the situation has been resolved? Would the original picture sell out if it was on GP site? I think not... Did the MW version sell out? He'll yeah and it's a nice image, he's added his part! If Banksy released this with a gangsta rat in the corner playing the ballet tunes, would people be email Mr Young?? I think not.. My opinion.. Now I'm off to find a thread about a release I don't like and make sure everyone knows about it! Then I'm going to head down Tesco's and shout at everyone who buys baked beans that haven't got the Heinz logo on them!
Do you actually think it's just about the image and that's why it sells?
This has gone much further than it really needed to.... The whole we hate MW and his repetitive tagging has turned into a hate mob saying this is shocking blah blah blah. This isn't a hangable offence in the UK... If he's out with copyright laws I'm sure there will be consequences, but to me,this is just people jumping on the bandwagon and wanting to shot first and ask questions later! GP has already posted on the thread, and it am sure he will again after the situation has been resolved? Would the original picture sell out if it was on GP site? I think not... Did the MW version sell out? He'll yeah and it's a nice image, he's added his part! If Banksy released this with a gangsta rat in the corner playing the ballet tunes, would people be email Mr Young?? I think not.. My opinion.. Now I'm off to find a thread about a release I don't like and make sure everyone knows about it! Then I'm going to head down Tesco's and shout at everyone who buys baked beans that haven't got the Heinz logo on them! Do you actually think it's just about the image and that's why it sells? |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by curiousgeorge on Nov 11, 2014 0:55:01 GMT 1, A lot of posters in the thread would do well to research this history of MW before jumping in. His flickr page used to read like a A-Z of street artists. The week an established artist would have a sell out release MW would make a very similar version and ride the wave.
The Parla period being particularly embarrassing, bearing in mind it was such a massive jump from stencil work to squiggles it could be NOTHING else but direct copies.I remembering him defending his prices years ago (when they were on par with banksy prints at source) saying if Banksy charges it then so can I.Banksy paid his dues!!
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A lot of posters in the thread would do well to research this history of MW before jumping in. His flickr page used to read like a A-Z of street artists. The week an established artist would have a sell out release MW would make a very similar version and ride the wave.
The Parla period being particularly embarrassing, bearing in mind it was such a massive jump from stencil work to squiggles it could be NOTHING else but direct copies.I remembering him defending his prices years ago (when they were on par with banksy prints at source) saying if Banksy charges it then so can I.Banksy paid his dues!!
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 0:58:15 GMT 1, A lot of posters in the thread would do well to research this history of MW before jumping in. His flickr page used to read like a A-Z of street artists. The week an established artist would have a sell out release MW would make a very similar version and ride the wave. The Parla period being particularly embarrassing, bearing in mind it was such a massive jump from stencil work to squiggles it could be NOTHING else but direct copies.I remembering him defending his prices years ago (when they were on par with banksy prints at source) saying if Banksy charges it then so can I.Banksy paid his dues!! Just a bitter old graff head haterโฆ
A lot of posters in the thread would do well to research this history of MW before jumping in. His flickr page used to read like a A-Z of street artists. The week an established artist would have a sell out release MW would make a very similar version and ride the wave. The Parla period being particularly embarrassing, bearing in mind it was such a massive jump from stencil work to squiggles it could be NOTHING else but direct copies.I remembering him defending his prices years ago (when they were on par with banksy prints at source) saying if Banksy charges it then so can I.Banksy paid his dues!! Just a bitter old graff head haterโฆ Interesting... To say the least... *I* am still learning... Sigh. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:02:41 GMT 1, Whoa can't believe I missed this thread. Just had a bunch of fun reading it over dinner (homemade veggie burger with macaroni salad, in case you're interested)
It's been a while since I took some copyright law classes in college, but here's a couple of quick thoughts...
Copyright law provides exemption for works considered satire. Could it be argued MW is satirizing the original image?
Copyright is used to protect intellectual property. Maybe you're exempt if you kill enough brain cells spray painting without a mask and can claim you have no intellect?
People seem to be more vocal about their opinions of MW, pro or anti, more so than any other artist at the moment. Why is that? I've never seen a thread on copyright in street art get as many comments as this one, even though this sort of thing happens all the time
Whoa can't believe I missed this thread. Just had a bunch of fun reading it over dinner (homemade veggie burger with macaroni salad, in case you're interested)
It's been a while since I took some copyright law classes in college, but here's a couple of quick thoughts...
Copyright law provides exemption for works considered satire. Could it be argued MW is satirizing the original image?
Copyright is used to protect intellectual property. Maybe you're exempt if you kill enough brain cells spray painting without a mask and can claim you have no intellect?
People seem to be more vocal about their opinions of MW, pro or anti, more so than any other artist at the moment. Why is that? I've never seen a thread on copyright in street art get as many comments as this one, even though this sort of thing happens all the time
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Dr Plip on Nov 11, 2014 1:05:21 GMT 1, Homemade veggie burger? TVP or some vegetable mash-up?
Homemade veggie burger? TVP or some vegetable mash-up?
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:07:33 GMT 1, Homemade veggie burger? TVP or some vegetable mash-up?
TVP? What's that? Sounds like some sort of sex act
Just some black beans, carrots, bread crumbs, peas, seasoning etc
Homemade veggie burger? TVP or some vegetable mash-up? TVP? What's that? Sounds like some sort of sex act Just some black beans, carrots, bread crumbs, peas, seasoning etc |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Dr Plip on Nov 11, 2014 1:10:06 GMT 1, Homemade veggie burger? TVP or some vegetable mash-up? TVP? What's that? Sounds like some sort of sex act Just some black beans, carrots, bread crumbs, peas, seasoning etc
Sounds tasty.
Homemade veggie burger? TVP or some vegetable mash-up? TVP? What's that? Sounds like some sort of sex act Just some black beans, carrots, bread crumbs, peas, seasoning etc I'll admit, I was feeling quite cocky when I typed that. I'd usually say Soya. TVP (textured vegetable protein) sounds like a Polish cable channel. Sounds tasty. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:11:26 GMT 1, "People seem to be more vocal about their opinions of MW, pro or anti, more so than any other artist at the moment. Why is that? I've never seen a thread on copyright in street art get as many comments as this one, even though this sort of thing happens all the time"  ***I think they came up with that concept***
"People seem to be more vocal about their opinions of MW, pro or anti, more so than any other artist at the moment. Why is that? I've never seen a thread on copyright in street art get as many comments as this one, even though this sort of thing happens all the time" Obviously I cannot write for the rest of the lot... But not having been familiar with MW's work... I fell for it... And even bought a print (from a nice forum member)... But now... I feel like a fool... Caveat emptor, said the Romans... ***I think they came up with that concept*** |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Unica on Nov 11, 2014 1:34:26 GMT 1, Not the first artist to use someone else's image, if we are going to vilify MW, then shouldn't we take Banksy, Warhol, MBW and Fairey to task. Agreed its all a bit lazy but these guys are artists and I thought what we liked about this scene is the lack of regulation, I find it all a little rich for everyone to be getting so worked up by some plagiarism. Its not as if Banksy asks for permission before he takes an image and then vandalizes someones wall, and before you ask for an example. Lets just say "mobile lovers" difference is no one begrudges Banksy making a living but lets send the posse after MW.
Not the first artist to use someone else's image, if we are going to vilify MW, then shouldn't we take Banksy, Warhol, MBW and Fairey to task. Agreed its all a bit lazy but these guys are artists and I thought what we liked about this scene is the lack of regulation, I find it all a little rich for everyone to be getting so worked up by some plagiarism. Its not as if Banksy asks for permission before he takes an image and then vandalizes someones wall, and before you ask for an example. Lets just say "mobile lovers" difference is no one begrudges Banksy making a living but lets send the posse after MW.
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:43:22 GMT 1,
Obviously, MW is not the first artist to use someone else's image, if we are going to vilify him, then shouldn't we ALL take Banksy, Warhol, MBW and Fairey to task. Concurred - it's all a bit lazy but these guys are artists; (thieves?) I thought what we liked about this scene is the lack of regulation; I find it all a little rich disingenuous for everyone some of you to be getting so worked up by some plagiarism. Its not as if Banksy asks for permission before s/he takes an image and then vandalizes someone's wall, and before you ask for an example (after all, Banksy IS god). Let's just say "mobile lovers" difference??? is no one begrudges Banksy making a living but let's send the posse after MW.
Cheers mate! I just plagiarized most of what you wrote... Surely, there is nothing wrong with it... Innit?
Obviously, MW is not the first artist to use someone else's image, if we are going to vilify him, then shouldn't we ALL take Banksy, Warhol, MBW and Fairey to task. Concurred - it's all a bit lazy but these guys are artists; (thieves?) I thought what we liked about this scene is the lack of regulation; I find it all a little rich disingenuous for everyone some of you to be getting so worked up by some plagiarism. Its not as if Banksy asks for permission before s/he takes an image and then vandalizes someone's wall, and before you ask for an example (after all, Banksy IS god). Let's just say "mobile lovers" difference??? is no one begrudges Banksy making a living but let's send the posse after MW.
Cheers mate! I just plagiarized most of what you wrote... Surely, there is nothing wrong with it... Innit?
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Dr Plip on Nov 11, 2014 1:46:14 GMT 1, Can any legal experts on here tell me whether this is 20% or 30% altered from the original?
I have a very good feeling about this.
For xmas, the chopper will be carrying Santa Claus. For Valentine's Day, it'll be carrying a dildo. And for various rereleases, a piรฑata.
Can any legal experts on here tell me whether this is 20% or 30% altered from the original? I have a very good feeling about this. For xmas, the chopper will be carrying Santa Claus. For Valentine's Day, it'll be carrying a dildo. And for various rereleases, a piรฑata. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:49:38 GMT 1, Can any legal experts on here tell me whether this is 20% or 30% altered from the original? Photo I have a very good feeling about this. For xmas, the chopper will be carrying Santa Claus. For Valentine's Day, it'll be carrying a dildo. And for various rereleases, a piรฑata.
*IF* the linear regression proved that the inflection point was favorable to me...
Cheers!
Can any legal experts on here tell me whether this is 20% or 30% altered from the original? Photo I have a very good feeling about this. For xmas, the chopper will be carrying Santa Claus. For Valentine's Day, it'll be carrying a dildo. And for various rereleases, a piรฑata. *I* am not a legal expert, much less in international copyright laws, but *I* would buy that print... *IF* the linear regression proved that the inflection point was favorable to me... Cheers! |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Unica on Nov 11, 2014 1:50:19 GMT 1, Obviously, MW is not the first artist to use someone else's image, if we are going to vilify him, then shouldn't we ALL take Banksy, Warhol, MBW and Fairey to task. Concurred - it's all a bit lazy but these guys are artist s; (thieves?) I thought what we liked about this scene is the lack of regulation; I find it all a little rich disingenuous for everyone some of you to be getting so worked up by some plagiarism. Its not as if Banksy asks for permission before s/he takes an image and then vandalizes someone's wall, and before you ask for an example ( after all, Banksy IS god). Let's just say "mobile lovers" difference??? is no one begrudges Banksy making a living but let's send the posse after MW. Cheers mate! I just plagiarized most of what you wrote... Surely, there is nothing wrong with it... Innit?
Obviously, MW is not the first artist to use someone else's image, if we are going to vilify him, then shouldn't we ALL take Banksy, Warhol, MBW and Fairey to task. Concurred - it's all a bit lazy but these guys are artist s; (thieves?) I thought what we liked about this scene is the lack of regulation; I find it all a little rich disingenuous for everyone some of you to be getting so worked up by some plagiarism. Its not as if Banksy asks for permission before s/he takes an image and then vandalizes someone's wall, and before you ask for an example ( after all, Banksy IS god). Let's just say "mobile lovers" difference??? is no one begrudges Banksy making a living but let's send the posse after MW. Cheers mate! I just plagiarized most of what you wrote... Surely, there is nothing wrong with it... Innit? I actually think you improved it, so well done. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:50:24 GMT 1, hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it
hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Dr Plip on Nov 11, 2014 1:51:07 GMT 1, Hmm. I'm starting to think the ballerina should be facing the other way.
Hmm. I'm starting to think the ballerina should be facing the other way. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Unica on Nov 11, 2014 1:52:07 GMT 1, Can any legal experts on here tell me whether this is 20% or 30% altered from the original? I have a very good feeling about this. For xmas, the chopper will be carrying Santa Claus. For Valentine's Day, it'll be carrying a dildo. And for various rereleases, a piรฑata.
Can any legal experts on here tell me whether this is 20% or 30% altered from the original? I have a very good feeling about this. For xmas, the chopper will be carrying Santa Claus. For Valentine's Day, it'll be carrying a dildo. And for various rereleases, a piรฑata. Nothing wrong with that either, I like it. Let me know when when the release is. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:54:09 GMT 1, I think I moved the umbrella 20 degrees. I'm good, right? can someone check the math?
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:55:38 GMT 1, my point being... this is street art. everyone (including me) needs to lighten up. and not just in regards to this
my point being... this is street art. everyone (including me) needs to lighten up. and not just in regards to this
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:56:05 GMT 1, hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it Photo
I still do BTW...
hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it Photo *We???*... I know *I* did... Not sure about ALL of the other members in this forum... I still do BTW... |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:56:25 GMT 1, Hmm. I'm starting to think the ballerina should be facing the other way.
Hmm. I'm starting to think the ballerina should be facing the other way. tag the chopper. tag the chopper. tag the chopper! |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:58:04 GMT 1, hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it Photo *We???*... I know *I* did... Not sure about ALL of the other members in this forum... I still do BTW...  (my cats hate it)
but yes, I do love it
hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it Photo *We???*... I know *I* did... Not sure about ALL of the other members in this forum... I still do BTW... WE meaning me and my 2 dogs (my cats hate it) but yes, I do love it |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 1:59:03 GMT 1, my point being... this is street art. everyone (including me) needs to lighten up. and not just in regards to this
Carry on...
my point being... this is street art. everyone (including me) needs to lighten up. and not just in regards to this I really did not mind before I found out MW lifted it from another (non-street) artist... THAT bothered me... Carry on... |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by natstan on Nov 11, 2014 1:59:23 GMT 1, Nothing I can do. You believe only what you choose to believe. Yawn... To bed. Night Very true and I do believe your an idiot!!!
Gosh, I believe you are barely 10 years old.... 
Nothing I can do. You believe only what you choose to believe. Yawn... To bed. Night Very true and I do believe your an idiot!!! Gosh, I believe you are barely 10 years old.... |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Dr Plip on Nov 11, 2014 2:03:14 GMT 1, hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it
hey guys... remember when Banksy did THIS? and we loved it Good point, but I reckon Vermeer's lawyers have already fired off a letter to Jo Brooks. Actually, it was probably them that threw the black paint at it. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Hairbland on Nov 11, 2014 2:16:34 GMT 1, This has gone much further than it really needed to.... The whole we hate MW and his repetitive tagging has turned into a hate mob saying this is shocking blah blah blah. This isn't a hangable offence in the UK... If he's out with copyright laws I'm sure there will be consequences, but to me,this is just people jumping on the bandwagon and wanting to shot first and ask questions later! GP has already posted on the thread, and it am sure he will again after the situation has been resolved? Would the original picture sell out if it was on GP site? I think not... Did the MW version sell out? He'll yeah and it's a nice image, he's added his part! If Banksy released this with a gangsta rat in the corner playing the ballet tunes, would people be email Mr Young?? I think not.. My opinion.. Now I'm off to find a thread about a release I don't like and make sure everyone knows about it! Then I'm going to head down Tesco's and shout at everyone who buys baked beans that haven't got the Heinz logo on them!
Interesting albeit flawed reasoning. If Robbie Williams covers a somewhat obscure song that goes on to be #1 in most countries and he wins a Brit Award does that make it ok for him to pretend it's his and that he wrote it, after all it was the bigger hit.
In my opinion anyone defending Whatson by way of Banksy doesn't get the very thing they are into.
And as to Fairey he got into trouble not for using the image but his b*lls-less attempt to cover up his usage...for lying essentially.
Peeps are down on Whatson because his work seems lazy and formulaic. His lazy theft adds to it.
This has gone much further than it really needed to.... The whole we hate MW and his repetitive tagging has turned into a hate mob saying this is shocking blah blah blah. This isn't a hangable offence in the UK... If he's out with copyright laws I'm sure there will be consequences, but to me,this is just people jumping on the bandwagon and wanting to shot first and ask questions later! GP has already posted on the thread, and it am sure he will again after the situation has been resolved? Would the original picture sell out if it was on GP site? I think not... Did the MW version sell out? He'll yeah and it's a nice image, he's added his part! If Banksy released this with a gangsta rat in the corner playing the ballet tunes, would people be email Mr Young?? I think not.. My opinion.. Now I'm off to find a thread about a release I don't like and make sure everyone knows about it! Then I'm going to head down Tesco's and shout at everyone who buys baked beans that haven't got the Heinz logo on them! Interesting albeit flawed reasoning. If Robbie Williams covers a somewhat obscure song that goes on to be #1 in most countries and he wins a Brit Award does that make it ok for him to pretend it's his and that he wrote it, after all it was the bigger hit. In my opinion anyone defending Whatson by way of Banksy doesn't get the very thing they are into. And as to Fairey he got into trouble not for using the image but his b*lls-less attempt to cover up his usage...for lying essentially. Peeps are down on Whatson because his work seems lazy and formulaic. His lazy theft adds to it. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 2:21:49 GMT 1, tag the chopper. tag the chopper. tag the chopper! 
tag the chopper. tag the chopper. tag the chopper! thank you. I needed that |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 2:21:56 GMT 1, Now you need the expected artist's hand embellished proofs...
Good job!!! May I reserve a print?
Now you need the expected artist's hand embellished proofs... Good job!!! May I reserve a print? |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by thomasmer on Nov 11, 2014 2:23:09 GMT 1, Graffiti Prints hasnt released anything for 48 hours there must be something wrong!
Graffiti Prints hasnt released anything for 48 hours there must be something wrong!
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Hairbland on Nov 11, 2014 2:23:24 GMT 1, tag the chopper. ย tag the chopper. ย tag the chopper!
Brilliant!
But also a big turning point in the discussion. Ridicule. Never good to hit that part.
tag the chopper. ย tag the chopper. ย tag the chopper! Brilliant! But also a big turning point in the discussion. Ridicule. Never good to hit that part. |
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Martin Whatson En Pointe Print Release, by Dr Plip on Nov 11, 2014 2:35:38 GMT 1, No offence intended to the original photographer of the ballerina, the ballerina, the artist that drew the ballerina, Martin Whatson, Graffiti Prints, Military Today, the photographer that took the photo of the Chinook, the pilot, or anyone on here that has been upset or offended by the recent events on this thread.
I love you all.
No offence intended to the original photographer of the ballerina, the ballerina, the artist that drew the ballerina, Martin Whatson, Graffiti Prints, Military Today, the photographer that took the photo of the Chinook, the pilot, or anyone on here that has been upset or offended by the recent events on this thread. I love you all. |
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***I think they came up with that concept*** 
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