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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:38:46 GMT 1, The way it has been drawn, it shows (in my opinion) talent. The way lines are drawn, the composition, the way the people are drawn... I recognize some talent. But that is just my opinion. The writing is rubbish, no talent in that, no artistic talent. Banksy should have asked if Ralph Steadman could write that under his sketch, then it would be artistic  The writing is the best part of it. The people look like crisps and willies.
The way it has been drawn, it shows (in my opinion) talent. The way lines are drawn, the composition, the way the people are drawn... I recognize some talent. But that is just my opinion. The writing is rubbish, no talent in that, no artistic talent. Banksy should have asked if Ralph Steadman could write that under his sketch, then it would be artistic The writing is the best part of it. The people look like crisps and willies. Totally the type of sketch (and handwriting) an artist scribbles down to remember an idea or explain something to someone else. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by jayTown on Aug 21, 2014 22:39:15 GMT 1, That's quite a terse reply. Are you particularly angry about this sketch for some reason or are you always this wound up? Genuine question. Just interested. I'd have a heart attack if I got worked up over pictures I saw on eBay. 
That's quite a terse reply. Are you particularly angry about this sketch for some reason or are you always this wound up? Genuine question. Just interested. I'd have a heart attack if I got worked up over pictures I saw on eBay. Genuinely not annoyed dude. You can look through all of my posts, i don't think i've ever had an angry word to say about anything. If it's read that way it's not the intention.....still a shit sketch mind |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Lroy on Aug 21, 2014 22:39:51 GMT 1, Funny, I bought 3 years ago a piece of art from Tate ( with notcthe N before )...
Then he deleted his account after12 sales.. He sold then great pieces of art...
Anyway, it is not the same man maybe...
Funny, I bought 3 years ago a piece of art from Tate ( with notcthe N before )...
Then he deleted his account after12 sales.. He sold then great pieces of art...
Anyway, it is not the same man maybe...
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Dr Plip on Aug 21, 2014 22:41:54 GMT 1, Funny, I bought 3 years ago a piece of art from Tate ( with notcthe N before )... Then he deleted his account after12 sales.. He sold then great pieces of art... Anyway, it is not the same man maybe...
Funny, I bought 3 years ago a piece of art from Tate ( with notcthe N before )... Then he deleted his account after12 sales.. He sold then great pieces of art... Anyway, it is not the same man maybe... What did you buy? |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by jayTown on Aug 21, 2014 22:42:33 GMT 1, Json, i've seen you write on here enough to make me think you have a decent view. This sketch is s**t come on??? Cheers mate, but it is not about if you like the sketch or if you don't like it. That is a matter of taste. But the sketch does show artistic talent. It is a quick sketch but the way lines are drawn, the way the "crisps and willies" ( Dr Plip) are being set up and the composition make me believe this has been drawn by someone who is an artist. (I haven't mentioned Banksy in any way) but if you put this sketch next to the known Banksy sketches they do look alike (in style). my 2¢
Json, i've seen you write on here enough to make me think you have a decent view. This sketch is s**t come on??? Cheers mate, but it is not about if you like the sketch or if you don't like it. That is a matter of taste. But the sketch does show artistic talent. It is a quick sketch but the way lines are drawn, the way the "crisps and willies" ( Dr Plip) are being set up and the composition make me believe this has been drawn by someone who is an artist. (I haven't mentioned Banksy in any way) but if you put this sketch next to the known Banksy sketches they do look alike (in style). my 2¢ Ha, you're killing me buddy This could quite as easily of been drawn by my niece. Don't tell my brother but she's no artist. Respect your opinion though dude. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Lroy on Aug 21, 2014 22:46:56 GMT 1, I am on my phone, I have to make search , I can't know. The man sold ( I repeat , Tate is nor a so original pseudo , they could be a lot ) some Basquiat, Warhol and , of course Lichtenstein. I bought a signature of Roy L. on a paper folder napkin..., the less interesting and the cheapest one.. I made screenshot of the eBay feedback a on my Pc, I will find it again ...
I am on my phone, I have to make search , I can't know. The man sold ( I repeat , Tate is nor a so original pseudo , they could be a lot ) some Basquiat, Warhol and , of course Lichtenstein. I bought a signature of Roy L. on a paper folder napkin..., the less interesting and the cheapest one.. I made screenshot of the eBay feedback a on my Pc, I will find it again ...
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:50:29 GMT 1, Cheers mate, but it is not about if you like the sketch or if you don't like it. That is a matter of taste. But the sketch does show artistic talent. It is a quick sketch but the way lines are drawn, the way the "crisps and willies" ( Dr Plip) are being set up and the composition make me believe this has been drawn by someone who is an artist. (I haven't mentioned Banksy in any way) but if you put this sketch next to the known Banksy sketches they do look alike (in style). my 2¢ Ha, you're killing me buddy This could quite as easily of been drawn by my niece. Don't tell my brother but she's no artist. Respect your opinion though dude.
Cheers mate, but it is not about if you like the sketch or if you don't like it. That is a matter of taste. But the sketch does show artistic talent. It is a quick sketch but the way lines are drawn, the way the "crisps and willies" ( Dr Plip) are being set up and the composition make me believe this has been drawn by someone who is an artist. (I haven't mentioned Banksy in any way) but if you put this sketch next to the known Banksy sketches they do look alike (in style). my 2¢ Ha, you're killing me buddy This could quite as easily of been drawn by my niece. Don't tell my brother but she's no artist. Respect your opinion though dude. I've visited two exhibitions in Spain today. One of Picasso ceramics and one of Miro constellation pieces. I imagine you might say the same about everything I saw today. Great art tho'. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:50:43 GMT 1, Bnasky does some OK sketches, though his old more traditional stuff comes across much better. I have seen a couple in other graf artists notebooks from back in the day when they used to doodle ideas in each other books.
Bnasky does some OK sketches, though his old more traditional stuff comes across much better. I have seen a couple in other graf artists notebooks from back in the day when they used to doodle ideas in each other books.
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 22:51:55 GMT 1, Cheers mate, but it is not about if you like the sketch or if you don't like it. That is a matter of taste. But the sketch does show artistic talent. It is a quick sketch but the way lines are drawn, the way the "crisps and willies" ( Dr Plip) are being set up and the composition make me believe this has been drawn by someone who is an artist. (I haven't mentioned Banksy in any way) but if you put this sketch next to the known Banksy sketches they do look alike (in style). my 2¢ Ha, you're killing me buddy This could quite as easily of been drawn by my niece. Don't tell my brother but she's no artist. Respect your opinion though dude.
That's what people are also saying about Keith Haring, Damien Hirst, Mondriaan etc. I would like to see a sketch/drawing done by your niece mate Put them together and you will notice differences and you will recognize the artist. My Dog Sighs makes lovely colorful paintings with his little drawn man on them. Even if i person wants to draw/copy that. I am sure they can't do that, it is a style and a talent.
Artist <-> No Artist; There is a big difference, trust me
It is what gonefellow said, typically an artists sketch.. And thats it!
And i also respect your opinion but i will further on always remind myself that you clearly can not see a difference between someone who has talent and a person who can not draw  Do you own a lot of MBW pieces btw?
Cheers mate, but it is not about if you like the sketch or if you don't like it. That is a matter of taste. But the sketch does show artistic talent. It is a quick sketch but the way lines are drawn, the way the "crisps and willies" ( Dr Plip) are being set up and the composition make me believe this has been drawn by someone who is an artist. (I haven't mentioned Banksy in any way) but if you put this sketch next to the known Banksy sketches they do look alike (in style). my 2¢ Ha, you're killing me buddy This could quite as easily of been drawn by my niece. Don't tell my brother but she's no artist. Respect your opinion though dude. That's what people are also saying about Keith Haring, Damien Hirst, Mondriaan etc. I would like to see a sketch/drawing done by your niece mate Put them together and you will notice differences and you will recognize the artist. My Dog Sighs makes lovely colorful paintings with his little drawn man on them. Even if i person wants to draw/copy that. I am sure they can't do that, it is a style and a talent. Artist <-> No Artist; There is a big difference, trust me It is what gonefellow said, typically an artists sketch.. And thats it! And i also respect your opinion but i will further on always remind myself that you clearly can not see a difference between someone who has talent and a person who can not draw Do you own a lot of MBW pieces btw? |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Dr Plip on Aug 21, 2014 22:53:24 GMT 1, 
I have no idea whether the sketch on eBay is by Banksy or not, but I know that my handwriting and artistic ability go out the window when trying to jot something down. Even worse when sober.
I have no idea whether the sketch on eBay is by Banksy or not, but I know that my handwriting and artistic ability go out the window when trying to jot something down. Even worse when sober. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 23:09:00 GMT 1, ^^^, like it.
^^^, like it.
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 23:12:12 GMT 1, I am on my phone, I have to make search , I can't know. The man sold ( I repeat , Tate is nor a so original pseudo , they could be a lot ) some Basquiat, Warhol and , of course Lichtenstein. I bought a signature of Roy L. on a paper folder napkin..., the less interesting and the cheapest one.. I made screenshot of the eBay feedback a on my Pc, I will find it again ...
I am on my phone, I have to make search , I can't know. The man sold ( I repeat , Tate is nor a so original pseudo , they could be a lot ) some Basquiat, Warhol and , of course Lichtenstein. I bought a signature of Roy L. on a paper folder napkin..., the less interesting and the cheapest one.. I made screenshot of the eBay feedback a on my Pc, I will find it again ... I have a suspicion that La Maison de Doddles makes Miss Havershams gaff look minimalistic. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by matp on Aug 21, 2014 23:19:46 GMT 1, I am not saying it is a brilliant sketch. I think that its interesting, in that it is the idea for the Concentration Camp pieces. Has anyone got the rough date of when the Concentration camp pieces first appeared?
I am not saying it is a brilliant sketch. I think that its interesting, in that it is the idea for the Concentration Camp pieces. Has anyone got the rough date of when the Concentration camp pieces first appeared?
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 23:25:10 GMT 1, Its an idea put down quickly on paper with some visual reminders.
A lot of artists do it and have an idea then quickly doodle it down to remind them later of the idea they had in mind so as not to forget the original idea.
It's meant for the artist as a reminder thats all.
It's not meant to be sophisticated and done in less than a minute or two.
People who say it's crap etc don't realise that it's not meant to be sophisticated or refined.
Dali and other artists made thousands of quick doodles which became finished paintings or detailed drawings.
Its an idea put down quickly on paper with some visual reminders.
A lot of artists do it and have an idea then quickly doodle it down to remind them later of the idea they had in mind so as not to forget the original idea.
It's meant for the artist as a reminder thats all.
It's not meant to be sophisticated and done in less than a minute or two.
People who say it's crap etc don't realise that it's not meant to be sophisticated or refined.
Dali and other artists made thousands of quick doodles which became finished paintings or detailed drawings.
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by matp on Aug 21, 2014 23:28:18 GMT 1, Its an idea put down quickly on paper with some visual reminders. A lot of artists do it and have an idea then quickly doodle it down to remind them later of the idea they had in mind so as not to forget the original idea. It's meant for the artist as a reminder thats all. It's not meant to be sophisticated and done in less than a minute or two. People who say it's crap etc don't realise that it's not meant to be sophisticate dor refinded. Dali and other artists made thousands of quick doodles which became finished paintings or detailed drawings.
If the dates tally up!
Its an idea put down quickly on paper with some visual reminders. A lot of artists do it and have an idea then quickly doodle it down to remind them later of the idea they had in mind so as not to forget the original idea. It's meant for the artist as a reminder thats all. It's not meant to be sophisticated and done in less than a minute or two. People who say it's crap etc don't realise that it's not meant to be sophisticate dor refinded. Dali and other artists made thousands of quick doodles which became finished paintings or detailed drawings. Exactly. If the dates tally up! |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 23:40:07 GMT 1, I am not saying it is a brilliant sketch. I think that its interesting, in that it is the idea for the Concentration Camp pieces. Has anyone got the rough date of when the Concentration camp pieces first appeared?
web.archive.org/web/20041120032439/http://www.banksy.co.uk/manifesto/index.html
From Turf War. pic. AOTS
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 0:07:09 GMT 1, cool piece of Banksy history, but as others have said, this was never meant to be seen so I think it would be hard to make any deep critique of it
cool piece of Banksy history, but as others have said, this was never meant to be seen so I think it would be hard to make any deep critique of it
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by urbanxi on Aug 22, 2014 9:22:30 GMT 1, Ooops, I'm assuming this should have been filed under 'Emin'?
Ooops, I'm assuming this should have been filed under 'Emin'?
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 9:27:08 GMT 1, Ooops, I'm assuming this should have been filed under 'Emin'?
Ooops, I'm assuming this should have been filed under 'Emin'? Im not fully awake yet but dont get this?. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 9:37:13 GMT 1, if the figures behind the wire were cocks, then yes, it could be Emin
if the figures behind the wire were cocks, then yes, it could be Emin
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:40:01 GMT 1, Does the sketch have any authentication?
Does the sketch have any authentication?
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:50:04 GMT 1, Does the sketch have any authentication?
Does the sketch have any authentication? The lady who is selling says she can provide enough proof that it is real, but it does not come with COA from PEST... if that is what you mean. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Prescription Art on Aug 22, 2014 14:59:11 GMT 1, The lady selling this contacted me a few weeks ago with this. I was very happy that it was genuine.. I would have been happy to sell it for her, but I found it hard to value, and the only reason I didn't offer it for sale is that I thought the price she was looking for was a little high. I think it's a really nice piece for a collector though, as not only is it a little original sketch, it also shows where the inspiration for a very noteworthy Banksy piece came from.
I posted the photos she mentions in her listing on my instagram a couple of weeks ago: instagram.com/prescriptionart
The lady selling this contacted me a few weeks ago with this. I was very happy that it was genuine.. I would have been happy to sell it for her, but I found it hard to value, and the only reason I didn't offer it for sale is that I thought the price she was looking for was a little high. I think it's a really nice piece for a collector though, as not only is it a little original sketch, it also shows where the inspiration for a very noteworthy Banksy piece came from. I posted the photos she mentions in her listing on my instagram a couple of weeks ago: instagram.com/prescriptionart |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Ruggs on Aug 22, 2014 15:07:29 GMT 1, if the figures behind the wire were cocks, then yes, it could be Emin
if the figures behind the wire were cocks, then yes, it could be Emin She doesn't do cocks, she does poosay! |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 15:53:09 GMT 1, So what I'm sensing is a lot of you are confused between jotting down a rough idea that was not meant for sale and a finished piece that's meant to be sold?
So what I'm sensing is a lot of you are confused between jotting down a rough idea that was not meant for sale and a finished piece that's meant to be sold?
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by jayTown on Aug 22, 2014 16:17:39 GMT 1, So what I'm sensing is a lot of you are confused between jotting down a rough idea that was not meant for sale and a finished piece that's meant to be sold?
So what I'm sensing is a lot of you are confused between jotting down a rough idea that was not meant for sale and a finished piece that's meant to be sold? I buy into that and that's kind of my point. It's his quick sketch I get that but my original point was that if people clambered over themselves to buy it it was purely for buzz. Analyzing it as showing signs of genius is crazy. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 16:32:41 GMT 1, Does the sketch have any authentication? The lady who is selling says she can provide enough proof that it is real, but it does not come with COA from PEST... if that is what you mean. The email from Pest Control seems to confirm it's right and the only reason they won't authenticate it is cos it wasn't meant for resale.
"The work in the images provided is not eligible for authentication as it was not created for sale"
It all seems genuine to me.
It's a shame Pest Control and Banksy have decided to go this route as all other artists who make doodles in books and give away small sketches are happy to authenticate them.
If they get sold later at auction it's no big deal.
The interesting thing is that if someone buys this sketch and say a year or more later Pest Control say it's a fake, they lose credibility because they allready looked at it once and never said it wasn't right.
Does the sketch have any authentication? The lady who is selling says she can provide enough proof that it is real, but it does not come with COA from PEST... if that is what you mean. The email from Pest Control seems to confirm it's right and the only reason they won't authenticate it is cos it wasn't meant for resale.
"The work in the images provided is not eligible for authentication as it was not created for sale"
It all seems genuine to me.
It's a shame Pest Control and Banksy have decided to go this route as all other artists who make doodles in books and give away small sketches are happy to authenticate them.
If they get sold later at auction it's no big deal.
The interesting thing is that if someone buys this sketch and say a year or more later Pest Control say it's a fake, they lose credibility because they allready looked at it once and never said it wasn't right.
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 17:15:30 GMT 1, The lady selling this contacted me a few weeks ago with this. I was very happy that it was genuine.. I would have been happy to sell it for her, but I found it hard to value, and the only reason I didn't offer it for sale is that I thought the price she was looking for was a little high. I think it's a really nice piece for a collector though, as not only is it a little original sketch, it also shows where the inspiration for a very noteworthy Banksy piece came from. I posted the photos she mentions in her listing on my instagram a couple of weeks ago: instagram.com/prescriptionart
Just curious.
The lady selling this contacted me a few weeks ago with this. I was very happy that it was genuine.. I would have been happy to sell it for her, but I found it hard to value, and the only reason I didn't offer it for sale is that I thought the price she was looking for was a little high. I think it's a really nice piece for a collector though, as not only is it a little original sketch, it also shows where the inspiration for a very noteworthy Banksy piece came from. I posted the photos she mentions in her listing on my instagram a couple of weeks ago: instagram.com/prescriptionartI like it too. What price would you reckon its worth PA?. Just curious. |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by connecta1 on Aug 22, 2014 18:06:54 GMT 1, So what I'm sensing is a lot of you are confused between jotting down a rough idea that was not meant for sale and a finished piece that's meant to be sold? I buy into that and that's kind of my point. It's his quick sketch I get that but my original point was that if people clambered over themselves to buy it it was purely for buzz. Analyzing it as showing signs of genius is crazy.
As has been already made clear, people aren't 'clambering over themselves' to buy it... and no one is suggesting it has 'signs of genius'... the resulting piece maybe, but not the preparatory sketch.
You say it's 'shit', 'awful' and 'rubbish' in your first three posts on the matter, that's three pretty angry words on the matter regardless of your protestations about never getting annoyed
So what I'm sensing is a lot of you are confused between jotting down a rough idea that was not meant for sale and a finished piece that's meant to be sold? I buy into that and that's kind of my point. It's his quick sketch I get that but my original point was that if people clambered over themselves to buy it it was purely for buzz. Analyzing it as showing signs of genius is crazy. ..you seem confused as to what your 'point' is though. As has been already made clear, people aren't 'clambering over themselves' to buy it... and no one is suggesting it has 'signs of genius'... the resulting piece maybe, but not the preparatory sketch. You say it's 'shit', 'awful' and 'rubbish' in your first three posts on the matter, that's three pretty angry words on the matter regardless of your protestations about never getting annoyed |
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Banksy Original Sketch?, by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 18:16:13 GMT 1, I think if PC authenticated this one, it would open up a floodgate of fakes
I think if PC authenticated this one, it would open up a floodgate of fakes
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