love
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Yes or No, by love on Sept 17, 2014 18:27:20 GMT 1,
What do you think?
What do you think?
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Warm Gun
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Yes or No, by Warm Gun on Sept 17, 2014 18:32:04 GMT 1, It'll be no but it wouldn't shock me if it was yes.
It'll be no but it wouldn't shock me if it was yes.
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Morfx
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Yes or No, by Morfx on Sept 17, 2014 18:33:26 GMT 1, As a print???
As a debate??
I should get that fabric made into some knickers for the missus...
As a print??? As a debate?? I should get that fabric made into some knickers for the missus...
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love
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Yes or No, by love on Sept 17, 2014 18:37:19 GMT 1, As a print??? As a debate?? I should get that fabric made into some knickers for the missus... I'm interested in what you think about an independant scottland. The press and politics in germany are somewhat concerend about it. They're afraid that more countries could leave the EU.
As a print??? As a debate?? I should get that fabric made into some knickers for the missus... I'm interested in what you think about an independant scottland. The press and politics in germany are somewhat concerend about it. They're afraid that more countries could leave the EU.
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 18:38:49 GMT 1, I think a percentage of the yes voters may well change their mind when they are faced with the ballot paper in front of them. Scotland doesn't get a bad deal at the moment as far as I can see.
I think a percentage of the yes voters may well change their mind when they are faced with the ballot paper in front of them. Scotland doesn't get a bad deal at the moment as far as I can see.
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Morfx
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Yes or No, by Morfx on Sept 17, 2014 18:44:24 GMT 1, I personally believe we would be better off out of the EU... (Im English) Nobody can stop you from trading outside the UK.. The amount of money poured into Brussels is ridiculous..
We give alot and gain little..
As for Scotland... Its their choice and I believe they should do whatever they want..
Im hoping they vote No, but its a democracy..
Whatever way it goes, History will be made...
Keep fighting, Keep loving....
Just my 2 pence worth
I personally believe we would be better off out of the EU... (Im English) Nobody can stop you from trading outside the UK.. The amount of money poured into Brussels is ridiculous.. We give alot and gain little.. As for Scotland... Its their choice and I believe they should do whatever they want.. Im hoping they vote No, but its a democracy.. Whatever way it goes, History will be made... Keep fighting, Keep loving.... Just my 2 pence worth
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eschiff
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Yes or No, by eschiff on Sept 17, 2014 18:51:16 GMT 1, they should vote for their independence...agree with most of what brand says here.
they should vote for their independence...agree with most of what brand says here.
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johnnyh
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Yes or No, by johnnyh on Sept 17, 2014 20:58:45 GMT 1, Think def up to the Scots. However my personal opinion like most of these things I think the Scots will be worse off as the game is so big these days. It will be great for Alex Salmond and a few of his party etc but that's about it. The world is far too small for it too make any difference. Eg what's the point of independence if you still want the pound and to stay in the EU. If he does not have a concept for financial independence and their own currency I think he I and they are really missing the point. They are pretty much independant now. Their financial regulation will either be set by BofE or the EB
Economically it could well end up as a disaster very few small economies in Europe are thriving. However Salmond will be happy and king of his castle.
i do hope if they vote for independence none of the above happens but fail to see how economically it will be a success
Think def up to the Scots. However my personal opinion like most of these things I think the Scots will be worse off as the game is so big these days. It will be great for Alex Salmond and a few of his party etc but that's about it. The world is far too small for it too make any difference. Eg what's the point of independence if you still want the pound and to stay in the EU. If he does not have a concept for financial independence and their own currency I think he I and they are really missing the point. They are pretty much independant now. Their financial regulation will either be set by BofE or the EB
Economically it could well end up as a disaster very few small economies in Europe are thriving. However Salmond will be happy and king of his castle.
i do hope if they vote for independence none of the above happens but fail to see how economically it will be a success
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:08:45 GMT 1, Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Yes. Imagine waking up knowing you'll never see a tory govt in your lifetime!
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Yes. Imagine waking up knowing you'll never see a tory govt in your lifetime!
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iamzero
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Sept 17, 2014 21:11:38 GMT 1
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Yes or No, by iamzero on Sept 17, 2014 21:11:38 GMT 1, Salmond on a massive ego trip. t**t.
Salmond on a massive ego trip. t**t.
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Hubble Bubble
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Sept 17, 2014 21:24:53 GMT 1
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Yes or No, by Hubble Bubble on Sept 17, 2014 21:24:53 GMT 1, Sick to the back teeth of the whining. If you don't want in, then fuck off. But be careful what you wish for.
Sick to the back teeth of the whining. If you don't want in, then fuck off. But be careful what you wish for.
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:27:40 GMT 1, Yes, massively yes.
Yes, massively yes.
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Yes or No, by Coach on Sept 17, 2014 21:33:11 GMT 1, Genuinely believe in te right of self determination. So I believe that it is quite right for the Scott's to decide. I also hope they vote no. I do not believe the uk should leave Europe. That thought fills me with horror.
Genuinely believe in te right of self determination. So I believe that it is quite right for the Scott's to decide. I also hope they vote no. I do not believe the uk should leave Europe. That thought fills me with horror.
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:33:48 GMT 1, there is no way the Spanish / Italians/ belgians etc will allow a state to cecede and join the EU - it would mean the disintergration of their own setup. IIRC, the Catalans are voting next year, but the Spanish government have ruled it illegal.Greece and Spain refused to accept the Kosovo declaration due to this kind of fear
We could see the Balkanisation of western europe here- this is a genuine fear for much of the EU - and they are shitting themselves
there is no way the Spanish / Italians/ belgians etc will allow a state to cecede and join the EU - it would mean the disintergration of their own setup. IIRC, the Catalans are voting next year, but the Spanish government have ruled it illegal.Greece and Spain refused to accept the Kosovo declaration due to this kind of fear
We could see the Balkanisation of western europe here- this is a genuine fear for much of the EU - and they are shitting themselves
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:42:27 GMT 1, dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea?
dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea?
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:48:25 GMT 1, we decided not to go for it- Denmark is another one - "we" didnt like full monetary union
we decided not to go for it- Denmark is another one - "we" didnt like full monetary union
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Hubble Bubble
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Yes or No, by Hubble Bubble on Sept 17, 2014 21:48:39 GMT 1, I expect a No win but irrevocable damage to the fabric of Scottish society.
I expect a No win but irrevocable damage to the fabric of Scottish society.
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eschiff
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Yes or No, by eschiff on Sept 17, 2014 21:51:28 GMT 1, dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? It would literally take you 4 minutes of googling to figure this out Google European Union membership - european currency union and you'll have an answer in no time!
dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? It would literally take you 4 minutes of googling to figure this out Google European Union membership - european currency union and you'll have an answer in no time!
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:51:48 GMT 1, I dunno - Scotland can do well out of this- to avoid this happening in the near future if there is a No vote, Westminster will flood the Scots with gifts and cash to keep them onside. I am ethnic scotch btw.
I dunno - Scotland can do well out of this- to avoid this happening in the near future if there is a No vote, Westminster will flood the Scots with gifts and cash to keep them onside. I am ethnic scotch btw.
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johnnyh
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Yes or No, by johnnyh on Sept 17, 2014 21:53:48 GMT 1, dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? There are slightly different rules for the original EU members. So the UK has the right not to accept the euro.
this is unlikely to change in the future.
dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? There are slightly different rules for the original EU members. So the UK has the right not to accept the euro. this is unlikely to change in the future.
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Hubble Bubble
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Yes or No, by Hubble Bubble on Sept 17, 2014 21:54:29 GMT 1, dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea?
Successive Tory and Labour governments refused to join the Euro believing it not to be in our country's interests. The EU was conceived as a free trading entity. Monetary union was never part of the original deal. In the end it has proved to be extremely difficult to economically link super powers like Germany with (relative) minnows like Eire by all the elements that a common currency demands.
BOTI
dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? Successive Tory and Labour governments refused to join the Euro believing it not to be in our country's interests. The EU was conceived as a free trading entity. Monetary union was never part of the original deal. In the end it has proved to be extremely difficult to economically link super powers like Germany with (relative) minnows like Eire by all the elements that a common currency demands. BOTI
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 21:55:26 GMT 1, I expect a No win but irrevocable damage to the fabric of Scottish society. Tartan?
I expect a No win but irrevocable damage to the fabric of Scottish society. Tartan?
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Hubble Bubble
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Yes or No, by Hubble Bubble on Sept 17, 2014 22:01:20 GMT 1,
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:09:08 GMT 1, Independence seems to be something that Scotland has fought and striven for throughout its history. They defied Roman imperialism and only after much conflict did their Anglo-roman descendants finally suppress though never truly conquer our indomitable neighbors to the north.
Also I wonder how much of this is about oil, isn't Scotland rich in the stuff, who owns all that North Sea oil?
I spoke to a chap last week, on the north east coast of England, he had remarried and retired there. Up until a few years ago, he had lived in Glasgow all his life. He told me he was not going to get a vote due to not being resident. Lots of Scot's are not resident for so many reasons - the armed forces, work commitments, kids, elderly parents etc. Yet those who are not Scots, yet live in Scotland do get to vote, which may seem fair, but some people have hardly been there any time at all. I can see how this seems the most logical and fairest approach, but it just doesn't sit quite right with me.
Independence seems to be something that Scotland has fought and striven for throughout its history. They defied Roman imperialism and only after much conflict did their Anglo-roman descendants finally suppress though never truly conquer our indomitable neighbors to the north.
Also I wonder how much of this is about oil, isn't Scotland rich in the stuff, who owns all that North Sea oil?
I spoke to a chap last week, on the north east coast of England, he had remarried and retired there. Up until a few years ago, he had lived in Glasgow all his life. He told me he was not going to get a vote due to not being resident. Lots of Scot's are not resident for so many reasons - the armed forces, work commitments, kids, elderly parents etc. Yet those who are not Scots, yet live in Scotland do get to vote, which may seem fair, but some people have hardly been there any time at all. I can see how this seems the most logical and fairest approach, but it just doesn't sit quite right with me.
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:16:04 GMT 1, www.woodreview.co.uk/
big slab of .pdf link regarding the oil - its the Wood review on Scotch reserves - theres not a massive amount left, all things considered
I cant imagine anyone wanting to read it, but you never know
www.woodreview.co.uk/big slab of .pdf link regarding the oil - its the Wood review on Scotch reserves - theres not a massive amount left, all things considered I cant imagine anyone wanting to read it, but you never know
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Yes or No, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Sept 17, 2014 22:16:22 GMT 1, It's a yes from me, but I'm Welsh and would vote yes if Wales were in similar position, But as jonny says will they financially cope? Do they get all the oil money?? A lot of small countries struggle but some thrive ie.New Zealand? The whole world economy is f*cked and will be for a while.. I would like to see Scotland succeed if its a yes.. I have been living in OZ for years and not upto speed with british politics but who's this ed milliband fella? Seems a right a bell end!!
It's a yes from me, but I'm Welsh and would vote yes if Wales were in similar position, But as jonny says will they financially cope? Do they get all the oil money?? A lot of small countries struggle but some thrive ie.New Zealand? The whole world economy is f*cked and will be for a while.. I would like to see Scotland succeed if its a yes.. I have been living in OZ for years and not upto speed with british politics but who's this ed milliband fella? Seems a right a bell end!!
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:18:43 GMT 1, dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? It would literally take you 4 minutes of googling to figure this out Google European Union membership - european currency union and you'll have an answer in no time! I did google it but have read some contradictory info... Was hoping to get an answer/opinion from one of my forum buddies
dumb American question, but if the UK is in the EU, why aren't you lads on the Euro? I thought a standard currency was part of the whole idea? It would literally take you 4 minutes of googling to figure this out Google European Union membership - european currency union and you'll have an answer in no time! I did google it but have read some contradictory info... Was hoping to get an answer/opinion from one of my forum buddies
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:22:29 GMT 1, Because it's something that you can 'adopt' as a member it's not forced on you.
Because it's something that you can 'adopt' as a member it's not forced on you.
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:23:53 GMT 1, I have been living in OZ for years and not upto speed with british politics but who's this ed milliband fella? Seems a right a bell end!! He is I'm afraid. Labour should be wiping the floor with this govt of rich tory buffoons.
I have been living in OZ for years and not upto speed with british politics but who's this ed milliband fella? Seems a right a bell end!! He is I'm afraid. Labour should be wiping the floor with this govt of rich tory buffoons.
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Yes or No, by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 22:28:59 GMT 1, Will it really be so different if its yes?, its not like there's a wall going up from west to east with armed guards, not like Scotland is going to be totally self sufficient really, like a kid leaving home but still expecting his parents to help out for the rest of his life.
When's the vote anyhow?.
Will it really be so different if its yes?, its not like there's a wall going up from west to east with armed guards, not like Scotland is going to be totally self sufficient really, like a kid leaving home but still expecting his parents to help out for the rest of his life.
When's the vote anyhow?.
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