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Whatson, by .dappy on Oct 14, 2014 23:47:49 GMT 1, ... mr graff you do write some sometimes ... but at least you are now using paragraphs ...
... mr graff you do write some sometimes ... but at least you are now using paragraphs ...
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 23:49:14 GMT 1, I'm curious, what don't you like about the piece, a stencil artist collaborating with two Asian writers in a significant way is an interesting event no ? That behind the walls, under the concrete, within the material lays the form or tagging and graffiti. It's an interesting topic no ? not whether the artist is deserving of being at a particular festival or not. I wasnt really commenting on any one particular piece but since you asked, I dont feel that this particular piece says anything to me at all other than a basic gesture about pulling back something behind the concrete. The collaboration is just decorative in nature, there is no back and forth that I personally appreciate when artists collaborate. This collaboration feels like the artists used the color and other artists as more of a prop then an actual conversation aesthetically or conceptually. The gesture of pulling the facade as it can be said and revealing some unauthentic version of graffiti seems pedestrian to me. Contrast this from Tilts installation where you have real graffiti being contrasted against the white of the bathroom. This aesthetic version of graffiti in the piece you mention comes no way near the real authenticity of Tilts. Then you are left with the actual stencil work of the mural which represents more of a mimicry of a photograph which I guess is ok if their is some conceptual allusion to the use of photography in urban art, yet I don't think that was what the artist was going for. I think again compare this stencil to Icy and Sot's installation and you are left with the feeling that it is just not adequate in being even in the same conversation. The feel, the authenticity in the hand of the artists is prevalent in the work of Icy and Sot, you can appreciate the work and feel the work through their technique. Also add that they went a step beyond just a stencil and are progressively pushing not only the image but also the architecture of the wall by expanding its borders. Personally I would rather see artists take these opportunities at festivals to create progressive and relevant work not just further their comfort zone and the status quo. Also the topic isnt really what is that interesting, its how the artist is able to take a basic topic and really further the conversation instead of just illustrating it. I am not really a street art critic, but this is what I see personally from my own view as an artist. Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites.
I'm curious, what don't you like about the piece, a stencil artist collaborating with two Asian writers in a significant way is an interesting event no ? That behind the walls, under the concrete, within the material lays the form or tagging and graffiti. It's an interesting topic no ? not whether the artist is deserving of being at a particular festival or not. I wasnt really commenting on any one particular piece but since you asked, I dont feel that this particular piece says anything to me at all other than a basic gesture about pulling back something behind the concrete. The collaboration is just decorative in nature, there is no back and forth that I personally appreciate when artists collaborate. This collaboration feels like the artists used the color and other artists as more of a prop then an actual conversation aesthetically or conceptually. The gesture of pulling the facade as it can be said and revealing some unauthentic version of graffiti seems pedestrian to me. Contrast this from Tilts installation where you have real graffiti being contrasted against the white of the bathroom. This aesthetic version of graffiti in the piece you mention comes no way near the real authenticity of Tilts. Then you are left with the actual stencil work of the mural which represents more of a mimicry of a photograph which I guess is ok if their is some conceptual allusion to the use of photography in urban art, yet I don't think that was what the artist was going for. I think again compare this stencil to Icy and Sot's installation and you are left with the feeling that it is just not adequate in being even in the same conversation. The feel, the authenticity in the hand of the artists is prevalent in the work of Icy and Sot, you can appreciate the work and feel the work through their technique. Also add that they went a step beyond just a stencil and are progressively pushing not only the image but also the architecture of the wall by expanding its borders. Personally I would rather see artists take these opportunities at festivals to create progressive and relevant work not just further their comfort zone and the status quo. Also the topic isnt really what is that interesting, its how the artist is able to take a basic topic and really further the conversation instead of just illustrating it. I am not really a street art critic, but this is what I see personally from my own view as an artist. Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 23:52:07 GMT 1, You're joking right? A lot of art produced isn't meant to be anything more than aesthetically pleasing You're joking right? The actual process of explaining the aesthetically pleasing description should take thought right? And anyway I dare you to think about and then explain 'why' it's pleasing.... Because I guarantee there's more to it. Don't fear your thoughts they're actually useful in life! I spend all day, everyday overthinking every aspect of my life (I'm pretty neurotic) so if something on a wall can bring me happiness without thinking about it, I'm okay with it.
On the other hand, I enjoy deeper and thought provoking pieces more, but I think there's room for both of them.
You're joking right? A lot of art produced isn't meant to be anything more than aesthetically pleasing You're joking right? The actual process of explaining the aesthetically pleasing description should take thought right? And anyway I dare you to think about and then explain 'why' it's pleasing.... Because I guarantee there's more to it. Don't fear your thoughts they're actually useful in life! I spend all day, everyday overthinking every aspect of my life (I'm pretty neurotic) so if something on a wall can bring me happiness without thinking about it, I'm okay with it. On the other hand, I enjoy deeper and thought provoking pieces more, but I think there's room for both of them.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 23:57:14 GMT 1, Do you understand that you've just spent more time explaining why you don't think, than the time to actually think I feel this about it because ....?
And actually that process may help you appreciate it or realise how vacuous you were being?
Ps. Do you realise how utterly dull it is to read ' I just like it'
I'd take a 1000 ploppi posts over 5 empty meaningless like it posts
Do you understand that you've just spent more time explaining why you don't think, than the time to actually think I feel this about it because ....?
And actually that process may help you appreciate it or realise how vacuous you were being?
Ps. Do you realise how utterly dull it is to read ' I just like it'
I'd take a 1000 ploppi posts over 5 empty meaningless like it posts
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:00:12 GMT 1, I wasnt really commenting on any one particular piece but since you asked, I dont feel that this particular piece says anything to me at all other than a basic gesture about pulling back something behind the concrete. The collaboration is just decorative in nature, there is no back and forth that I personally appreciate when artists collaborate. This collaboration feels like the artists used the color and other artists as more of a prop then an actual conversation aesthetically or conceptually. The gesture of pulling the facade as it can be said and revealing some unauthentic version of graffiti seems pedestrian to me. Contrast this from Tilts installation where you have real graffiti being contrasted against the white of the bathroom. This aesthetic version of graffiti in the piece you mention comes no way near the real authenticity of Tilts. Then you are left with the actual stencil work of the mural which represents more of a mimicry of a photograph which I guess is ok if their is some conceptual allusion to the use of photography in urban art, yet I don't think that was what the artist was going for. I think again compare this stencil to Icy and Sot's installation and you are left with the feeling that it is just not adequate in being even in the same conversation. The feel, the authenticity in the hand of the artists is prevalent in the work of Icy and Sot, you can appreciate the work and feel the work through their technique. Also add that they went a step beyond just a stencil and are progressively pushing not only the image but also the architecture of the wall by expanding its borders. Personally I would rather see artists take these opportunities at festivals to create progressive and relevant work not just further their comfort zone and the status quo. Also the topic isnt really what is that interesting, its how the artist is able to take a basic topic and really further the conversation instead of just illustrating it. I am not really a street art critic, but this is what I see personally from my own view as an artist. Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites.
That may be the tradition of street art but is it of murals?
Also don't get so hung up on academic critique there's a bit more to writing a paper than simply the critique of a singular image unless that's the goal of a specific paper. Having worked in the field it's a lot more fascinating than that.
I wasnt really commenting on any one particular piece but since you asked, I dont feel that this particular piece says anything to me at all other than a basic gesture about pulling back something behind the concrete. The collaboration is just decorative in nature, there is no back and forth that I personally appreciate when artists collaborate. This collaboration feels like the artists used the color and other artists as more of a prop then an actual conversation aesthetically or conceptually. The gesture of pulling the facade as it can be said and revealing some unauthentic version of graffiti seems pedestrian to me. Contrast this from Tilts installation where you have real graffiti being contrasted against the white of the bathroom. This aesthetic version of graffiti in the piece you mention comes no way near the real authenticity of Tilts. Then you are left with the actual stencil work of the mural which represents more of a mimicry of a photograph which I guess is ok if their is some conceptual allusion to the use of photography in urban art, yet I don't think that was what the artist was going for. I think again compare this stencil to Icy and Sot's installation and you are left with the feeling that it is just not adequate in being even in the same conversation. The feel, the authenticity in the hand of the artists is prevalent in the work of Icy and Sot, you can appreciate the work and feel the work through their technique. Also add that they went a step beyond just a stencil and are progressively pushing not only the image but also the architecture of the wall by expanding its borders. Personally I would rather see artists take these opportunities at festivals to create progressive and relevant work not just further their comfort zone and the status quo. Also the topic isnt really what is that interesting, its how the artist is able to take a basic topic and really further the conversation instead of just illustrating it. I am not really a street art critic, but this is what I see personally from my own view as an artist. Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. That may be the tradition of street art but is it of murals? Also don't get so hung up on academic critique there's a bit more to writing a paper than simply the critique of a singular image unless that's the goal of a specific paper. Having worked in the field it's a lot more fascinating than that.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:00:27 GMT 1, Nonsense of course, but possibly a better worldview than "he doesn't belong.. he's not good enough... in such esteemed company..etc etc " , which is a job for art institutions, not something for a street art event to aspire to. We're back to that David Foster Wallace " This is Water " moment. Peace I guess that is up for debate, but I would much rather have curators like yourself and critics like RJ having more of say than Art institutions who have no clue yet about what it is we are doing. And you may not want to have a role in the overall aspect of the artform but you do when you curate an event as big as Nuart. Then again if you dont care then that is ok as well, I guess? But for some reason I dont think that is the case. I honestly don't know, and I'm really not sure I ever will, that's why I enjoy these and the other forums we're on. I haven't really made up my mind. I think this perpetual cognitive dissonance is built into the culutre. On the one hand you want to be validated by existent academics and institutions and on the other hand, you think, f**k you, this isn't about you and your hierarchies, we'll bring our own.
Nonsense of course, but possibly a better worldview than "he doesn't belong.. he's not good enough... in such esteemed company..etc etc " , which is a job for art institutions, not something for a street art event to aspire to. We're back to that David Foster Wallace " This is Water " moment. Peace I guess that is up for debate, but I would much rather have curators like yourself and critics like RJ having more of say than Art institutions who have no clue yet about what it is we are doing. And you may not want to have a role in the overall aspect of the artform but you do when you curate an event as big as Nuart. Then again if you dont care then that is ok as well, I guess? But for some reason I dont think that is the case. I honestly don't know, and I'm really not sure I ever will, that's why I enjoy these and the other forums we're on. I haven't really made up my mind. I think this perpetual cognitive dissonance is built into the culutre. On the one hand you want to be validated by existent academics and institutions and on the other hand, you think, f**k you, this isn't about you and your hierarchies, we'll bring our own.
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Whatson, by graffuturism on Oct 15, 2014 0:03:52 GMT 1, Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. You are correct it may not be the goal all the time of street art and there definitely is no right or wrong way to do things, yet you have to think about context. You mention Banksy and driving past something quickly and appreciating it. I love street pieces from Banksy but what Whatson has done in the piece you mentioned isnt even on the same breadth as a 15 min stencil in the street by Banksy or any other street artist. This new festival Mural is not regular street art and should be looked at differently. Regular street art you drive by isn't monumental is size and take days to produce. Maybe they are related but they are definitely different animals.
Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. You are correct it may not be the goal all the time of street art and there definitely is no right or wrong way to do things, yet you have to think about context. You mention Banksy and driving past something quickly and appreciating it. I love street pieces from Banksy but what Whatson has done in the piece you mentioned isnt even on the same breadth as a 15 min stencil in the street by Banksy or any other street artist. This new festival Mural is not regular street art and should be looked at differently. Regular street art you drive by isn't monumental is size and take days to produce. Maybe they are related but they are definitely different animals.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:11:31 GMT 1, Do you understand that you've just spent more time explaining why you don't think, than the time to actually think I feel this about it because ....? And actually that process may help you appreciate it or realise how vacuous you were being? Ps. Do you realise how utterly dull it is to read ' I just like it' I'd take a 1000 ploppi posts over 5 empty meaningless like it posts Was I discussing an image in particular? No. And I need to explain to you why I like something? I'd prefer to have those conversations with people who don't decide to be contrarian just to stir things up
I do rather enjoy Ploppi's presence though. @elviswarhol where have you been?
Do you understand that you've just spent more time explaining why you don't think, than the time to actually think I feel this about it because ....? And actually that process may help you appreciate it or realise how vacuous you were being? Ps. Do you realise how utterly dull it is to read ' I just like it' I'd take a 1000 ploppi posts over 5 empty meaningless like it posts Was I discussing an image in particular? No. And I need to explain to you why I like something? I'd prefer to have those conversations with people who don't decide to be contrarian just to stir things up I do rather enjoy Ploppi's presence though. @elviswarhol where have you been?
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:16:41 GMT 1, Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. That may be the tradition of street art but is it of murals? Also don't get so hung up on academic critique there's a bit more to writing a paper than simply the critique of a singular image unless that's the goal of a specific paper. Having worked in the field it's a lot more fascinating than that. Oh, absolutely not of murals no, you're right, far from it. And as you can see, for some of these guys art history started in 2003 with Banksy, for others it was 1984 after seeing a Chrome Angels Weetabix advert. Others like Borondo, 16th century Caravaggio and I guess for some, Diego Rivera. There really isn't a linear modernist narrative to be followed here, but we of course recognise when someone draws from it. For me, Stencil Art and written protest graffiti is still the bedrock of the movement.
Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. That may be the tradition of street art but is it of murals? Also don't get so hung up on academic critique there's a bit more to writing a paper than simply the critique of a singular image unless that's the goal of a specific paper. Having worked in the field it's a lot more fascinating than that. Oh, absolutely not of murals no, you're right, far from it. And as you can see, for some of these guys art history started in 2003 with Banksy, for others it was 1984 after seeing a Chrome Angels Weetabix advert. Others like Borondo, 16th century Caravaggio and I guess for some, Diego Rivera. There really isn't a linear modernist narrative to be followed here, but we of course recognise when someone draws from it. For me, Stencil Art and written protest graffiti is still the bedrock of the movement.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:27:28 GMT 1, Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. You are correct it may not be the goal all the time of street art and there definitely is no right or wrong way to do things, yet you have to think about context. You mention Banksy and driving past something quickly and appreciating it. I love street pieces from Banksy but what Whatson has done in the piece you mentioned isnt even on the same breadth as a 15 min stencil in the street by Banksy or any other street artist. This new festival Mural is not regular street art and should be looked at differently. Regular street art you drive by isn't monumental is size and take days to produce. Maybe they are related but they are definitely different animals. Agreed, the oversized stencil is a relatively new beast and is moving into mural territory. I guess Dolk and Pรธbels initial work under the Ghetto Spedalsk project here in Norway set a precedent that's been followed by their contemporaries.
Interesting, cheers. Agree that both the Icy and Sot and Tilt works were quite phenomenal and can without a doubt stand up to serious academic critique. But.... that's not usually the goal of "street art" per se. There is a tradition within stencil art, and a very important precedent set by the likes of Banksy, that the work must be able to be seen, understood and consumed in the time it takes you to drive past. Stencil, Girl, pulling down concrete, graffiti released.. got it, smile, green light, go. There's a reason these pieces become public favourites. You are correct it may not be the goal all the time of street art and there definitely is no right or wrong way to do things, yet you have to think about context. You mention Banksy and driving past something quickly and appreciating it. I love street pieces from Banksy but what Whatson has done in the piece you mentioned isnt even on the same breadth as a 15 min stencil in the street by Banksy or any other street artist. This new festival Mural is not regular street art and should be looked at differently. Regular street art you drive by isn't monumental is size and take days to produce. Maybe they are related but they are definitely different animals. Agreed, the oversized stencil is a relatively new beast and is moving into mural territory. I guess Dolk and Pรธbels initial work under the Ghetto Spedalsk project here in Norway set a precedent that's been followed by their contemporaries.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:35:32 GMT 1, Do you understand that you've just spent more time explaining why you don't think, than the time to actually think I feel this about it because ....? And actually that process may help you appreciate it or realise how vacuous you were being? Ps. Do you realise how utterly dull it is to read ' I just like it' I'd take a 1000 ploppi posts over 5 empty meaningless like it posts last thing I'm going to add to this thread...
I don't think you can honestly believe what you're writing (or, you're being hypocritical). There's nothing in your life that you "just like"? Something that you enjoy just on the surface, with no deeper meaning? The lamps in your house? That slice of pizza you just ate? The band poster hanging in your living room? etc. Things that bring you happiness because of either familiarity or their simplicity? Not everything has to be dissected to be enjoyed, both in art and everything else in life
Do you understand that you've just spent more time explaining why you don't think, than the time to actually think I feel this about it because ....? And actually that process may help you appreciate it or realise how vacuous you were being? Ps. Do you realise how utterly dull it is to read ' I just like it' I'd take a 1000 ploppi posts over 5 empty meaningless like it posts last thing I'm going to add to this thread... I don't think you can honestly believe what you're writing (or, you're being hypocritical). There's nothing in your life that you "just like"? Something that you enjoy just on the surface, with no deeper meaning? The lamps in your house? That slice of pizza you just ate? The band poster hanging in your living room? etc. Things that bring you happiness because of either familiarity or their simplicity? Not everything has to be dissected to be enjoyed, both in art and everything else in life
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:39:42 GMT 1, If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case.
(I'm not asking for an essay just simply more than an utterly pointless exclamation ... I honestly think pushed some of you wouldn't have had a reason other than consumerist greed and then in turn will sell it rapidly - hey and that as an explanation is fine too!)
If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case.
(I'm not asking for an essay just simply more than an utterly pointless exclamation ... I honestly think pushed some of you wouldn't have had a reason other than consumerist greed and then in turn will sell it rapidly - hey and that as an explanation is fine too!)
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:40:50 GMT 1, If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case. if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine
If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case. if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:42:09 GMT 1, If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case. you're missing the "urban" in front of "artwork" which tends to alter things slightly ;-)
If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case. you're missing the "urban" in front of "artwork" which tends to alter things slightly ;-)
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:47:22 GMT 1, If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case. if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine
Sometime I wonder why my points are lost on people and it's actually because they're children and then I think jesus is this what I've become? A don quixote of this bland little corner of the world .
If you're connecting a slice of pizza to an artwork then I rest my case. if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine Sometime I wonder why my points are lost on people and it's actually because they're children and then I think jesus is this what I've become? A don quixote of this bland little corner of the world .
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:48:26 GMT 1, (I'm not asking for an essay just simply more than an utterly pointless exclamation ... I honestly think pushed some of you wouldn't have had a reason other than consumerist greed and then in turn will sell it rapidly - hey and that as an explanation is fine too!) "an utterly pointless exclamation" like someone calling Whatson "shit" which is what started all this?
and I'm not sure how consumerist greed comes into play if a) I've never purchased any Martin Whatson pieces and b) as I've stated hundreds of time, I wish prices would go down, not up, so that I could afford to put more beloved artwork on my walls
(I'm not asking for an essay just simply more than an utterly pointless exclamation ... I honestly think pushed some of you wouldn't have had a reason other than consumerist greed and then in turn will sell it rapidly - hey and that as an explanation is fine too!) "an utterly pointless exclamation" like someone calling Whatson "shit" which is what started all this? and I'm not sure how consumerist greed comes into play if a) I've never purchased any Martin Whatson pieces and b) as I've stated hundreds of time, I wish prices would go down, not up, so that I could afford to put more beloved artwork on my walls
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:50:03 GMT 1, Started this? My initial post didn't reference that, but surely my point is criticising that very idea?
Started this? My initial post didn't reference that, but surely my point is criticising that very idea?
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 0:50:26 GMT 1, if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine Sometime I wonder why my points are lost on people and it's actually because they're children and then I think jesus is this what I've become? A don quixote of this bland little corner of the world . no, your posts are "lost on people" because they're almost always negative and you're always so convinced that you're right that you're not willing to listen to and try to understand anyone else's opinion. so it's hard to take anything you write seriously.
if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine Sometime I wonder why my points are lost on people and it's actually because they're children and then I think jesus is this what I've become? A don quixote of this bland little corner of the world . no, your posts are "lost on people" because they're almost always negative and you're always so convinced that you're right that you're not willing to listen to and try to understand anyone else's opinion. so it's hard to take anything you write seriously.
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Whatson, by gatecrasher on Oct 15, 2014 8:11:49 GMT 1, if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine Sometime I wonder why my points are lost on people and it's actually because they're children and then I think jesus is this what I've become? A don quixote of this bland little corner of the world . Your points are lost, even valid ones, because they're always negative and narcissistic.
I bet you're quite the popular person at work.
if that's what you took from what I wrote then I rest mine Sometime I wonder why my points are lost on people and it's actually because they're children and then I think jesus is this what I've become? A don quixote of this bland little corner of the world . Your points are lost, even valid ones, because they're always negative and narcissistic. I bet you're quite the popular person at work.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 0:39:48 GMT 1, I dont think the reason I agreed with RJ on this article had anything to do with your intention or Nuarts intention, I think as a curator you are the only one that can really know your intention. Even the artists are left to interpret maybe some of your intention. I think what I found to be accurate was Vandalog opinion that these artists when contrasted against the other artists in the festival fell short in many ways. I dont need to bash anyone I think RJ stated some valid reasons some most I agree with, that doesn't mean I am correct or RJ is incorrect it just means we have our own opinion. And I don't think that opinion has anything to do with your intention as a curator of the festival, maybe more so for the whole article can be debated on being a correct interpretation of the festival. Yet as for the artist mentioned I don't think that had to do with anything Nuart did or didn't do as a curator. Sometimes the artists just need to be accountable for their work whether your intent was misinterpreted doesn't shelter the critique of the artist and his work, or his career of work that existed before this festival. I'm curious, what don't you like about the piece, a stencil artist collaborating with two Asian writers in a significant way is an interesting event no ? That behind the walls, under the concrete, within the material already lays the form of tagging and graffiti. It's an interesting topic right ? Like marble already containing the form of the sculpture to be revealed by the artisan. This would seem to propose that particularly dull buildings and cities already contain the seeds of their own evolution/destruction ?. Like grey pupae into colourful butterflies. They just have to be pollinated by tags. A philosophy that if embraced would logically lead to the end of the buff as we'd be curious to see our walls evolve :-). Nonsense of course, but possibly a better worldview than "he doesn't belong.. he's not good enough... in such esteemed company..etc etc " , which is a job for art institutions, not something for a street art event to aspire to. We're back to that David Foster Wallace " This is Water " moment. Peace
Surely its purely about money.
You sais that Nuart Festival is allocated โฌ150K euros.
I guess thats public money.
So you can answer this.
How much are the artists paid for the murals they paint on walls?
How are they selected?
and do you sell art by any of the artists that are selected?
If it is public money thats allocated I'm curious as to how these events are organised and am sure so are lots of other people.
We tend to see artists that fly in from other countries painting big illustrations and murals on walls with a lot of talent for sure and using very expensive machines and lifts to do it too.
As far as I can tell it's the same old stuff being done by the same crowd and becoming just murals on ships and oรฏl drums and things.
How long will it last?
The Os Gemeos thing in Canada must have taken a lot of paint and effort but its a fucking big eyesore and Brazilian yellow Simpson like cartoony figures look great in hot countries with cocnuts and carnivals.
In Canada it looks out of place and awful.
I dont think the reason I agreed with RJ on this article had anything to do with your intention or Nuarts intention, I think as a curator you are the only one that can really know your intention. Even the artists are left to interpret maybe some of your intention. I think what I found to be accurate was Vandalog opinion that these artists when contrasted against the other artists in the festival fell short in many ways. I dont need to bash anyone I think RJ stated some valid reasons some most I agree with, that doesn't mean I am correct or RJ is incorrect it just means we have our own opinion. And I don't think that opinion has anything to do with your intention as a curator of the festival, maybe more so for the whole article can be debated on being a correct interpretation of the festival. Yet as for the artist mentioned I don't think that had to do with anything Nuart did or didn't do as a curator. Sometimes the artists just need to be accountable for their work whether your intent was misinterpreted doesn't shelter the critique of the artist and his work, or his career of work that existed before this festival. I'm curious, what don't you like about the piece, a stencil artist collaborating with two Asian writers in a significant way is an interesting event no ? That behind the walls, under the concrete, within the material already lays the form of tagging and graffiti. It's an interesting topic right ? Like marble already containing the form of the sculpture to be revealed by the artisan. This would seem to propose that particularly dull buildings and cities already contain the seeds of their own evolution/destruction ?. Like grey pupae into colourful butterflies. They just have to be pollinated by tags. A philosophy that if embraced would logically lead to the end of the buff as we'd be curious to see our walls evolve :-). Nonsense of course, but possibly a better worldview than "he doesn't belong.. he's not good enough... in such esteemed company..etc etc " , which is a job for art institutions, not something for a street art event to aspire to. We're back to that David Foster Wallace " This is Water " moment. Peace
Surely its purely about money.
You sais that Nuart Festival is allocated โฌ150K euros.
I guess thats public money.
So you can answer this.
How much are the artists paid for the murals they paint on walls?
How are they selected?
and do you sell art by any of the artists that are selected?
If it is public money thats allocated I'm curious as to how these events are organised and am sure so are lots of other people.
We tend to see artists that fly in from other countries painting big illustrations and murals on walls with a lot of talent for sure and using very expensive machines and lifts to do it too.
As far as I can tell it's the same old stuff being done by the same crowd and becoming just murals on ships and oรฏl drums and things.
How long will it last?
The Os Gemeos thing in Canada must have taken a lot of paint and effort but its a fucking big eyesore and Brazilian yellow Simpson like cartoony figures look great in hot countries with cocnuts and carnivals.
In Canada it looks out of place and awful.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 0:45:16 GMT 1, I'm curious, what don't you like about the piece, a stencil artist collaborating with two Asian writers in a significant way is an interesting event no ? That behind the walls, under the concrete, within the material already lays the form of tagging and graffiti. It's an interesting topic right ? Like marble already containing the form of the sculpture to be revealed by the artisan. This would seem to propose that particularly dull buildings and cities already contain the seeds of their own evolution/destruction ?. Like grey pupae into colourful butterflies. They just have to be pollinated by tags. A philosophy that if embraced would logically lead to the end of the buff as we'd be curious to see our walls evolve :-). Nonsense of course, but possibly a better worldview than "he doesn't belong.. he's not good enough... in such esteemed company..etc etc " , which is a job for art institutions, not something for a street art event to aspire to. We're back to that David Foster Wallace " This is Water " moment. Peace
Surely its purely about money.
You sais that Nuart Festival is allocated โฌ150K euros.
I guess thats public money.
So you can answer this.
How much are the artists paid for the murals they paint on walls?
How are they selected?
and do you sell art by any of the artists that are selected?
If it is public money thats allocated I'm curious as to how these events are organised and am sure so are lots of other people.
We tend to see artists that fly in from other countries painting big illustrations and murals on walls with a lot of talent for sure and using very expensive machines and lifts to do it too.
As far as I can tell it's the same old stuff being done by the same crowd and becoming just murals on ships and oรฏl drums and things.
How long will it last?
The Os Gemeos thing in Canada must have taken a lot of paint and effort but its a f**king big eyesore and Brazilian yellow Simpson like cartoony figures look great in hot countries with cocnuts and carnivals.
In Canada it looks out of place and awful.
fuck me did they let you out again !?, how do you type in that jacket ?
I'm curious, what don't you like about the piece, a stencil artist collaborating with two Asian writers in a significant way is an interesting event no ? That behind the walls, under the concrete, within the material already lays the form of tagging and graffiti. It's an interesting topic right ? Like marble already containing the form of the sculpture to be revealed by the artisan. This would seem to propose that particularly dull buildings and cities already contain the seeds of their own evolution/destruction ?. Like grey pupae into colourful butterflies. They just have to be pollinated by tags. A philosophy that if embraced would logically lead to the end of the buff as we'd be curious to see our walls evolve :-). Nonsense of course, but possibly a better worldview than "he doesn't belong.. he's not good enough... in such esteemed company..etc etc " , which is a job for art institutions, not something for a street art event to aspire to. We're back to that David Foster Wallace " This is Water " moment. Peace
Surely its purely about money.
You sais that Nuart Festival is allocated โฌ150K euros.
I guess thats public money.
So you can answer this.
How much are the artists paid for the murals they paint on walls?
How are they selected?
and do you sell art by any of the artists that are selected?
If it is public money thats allocated I'm curious as to how these events are organised and am sure so are lots of other people.
We tend to see artists that fly in from other countries painting big illustrations and murals on walls with a lot of talent for sure and using very expensive machines and lifts to do it too.
As far as I can tell it's the same old stuff being done by the same crowd and becoming just murals on ships and oรฏl drums and things.
How long will it last?
The Os Gemeos thing in Canada must have taken a lot of paint and effort but its a f**king big eyesore and Brazilian yellow Simpson like cartoony figures look great in hot countries with cocnuts and carnivals.
In Canada it looks out of place and awful.
fuck me did they let you out again !?, how do you type in that jacket ?
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 0:47:59 GMT 1, Carnivals and Coconuts...hahaha. Brilliant fella.
Carnivals and Coconuts...hahaha. Brilliant fella.
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 2:06:32 GMT 1, @elviswarhol are you Beetlejuice? If we say your name 3 times do you pop out?
@elviswarhol are you Beetlejuice? If we say your name 3 times do you pop out?
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Whatson, by dazarino on Oct 16, 2014 9:33:19 GMT 1, I have been in vancouver for the past couple of weeks and I agree.the os gemeos artwork is ridiculous and looks totally out of place
I have been in vancouver for the past couple of weeks and I agree.the os gemeos artwork is ridiculous and looks totally out of place
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Whatson, by Dr Plip on Oct 16, 2014 10:31:20 GMT 1, I have been in vancouver for the past couple of weeks and I agree.the os gemeos artwork is ridiculous and looks totally out of place Is the Totem Pole carving workshop still next door to the concrete factory?
I have been in vancouver for the past couple of weeks and I agree.the os gemeos artwork is ridiculous and looks totally out of place Is the Totem Pole carving workshop still next door to the concrete factory?
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Whatson, by dazarino on Oct 16, 2014 14:56:05 GMT 1, I have been in vancouver for the past couple of weeks and I agree.the os gemeos artwork is ridiculous and looks totally out of place Is the Totem Pole carving workshop still next door to the concrete factory?
Not sure to be honest.I was snapping the os gemeos piece from across the water in downtown . It is well executed but just doesn't seem to sit with the rest of the city. I love vancouver but it's the most unhip place on earth.
I have been in vancouver for the past couple of weeks and I agree.the os gemeos artwork is ridiculous and looks totally out of place Is the Totem Pole carving workshop still next door to the concrete factory? Not sure to be honest.I was snapping the os gemeos piece from across the water in downtown . It is well executed but just doesn't seem to sit with the rest of the city. I love vancouver but it's the most unhip place on earth.
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Whatson, by .dappy on Oct 16, 2014 19:13:00 GMT 1, Carnivals and Coconuts...hahaha. Brilliant fella. ... 'cocnuts' made me laugh even more
Carnivals and Coconuts...hahaha. Brilliant fella. ... ' cocnuts' made me laugh even more
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Whatson, by Chrisp on Oct 16, 2014 23:55:24 GMT 1, Please, please, please somebody tell me what is so special about metal and art prints as i have no clue?! i usually leave metal pricing to the scrap man. ... the base that you paint onto makes a difference to the line and texture and 'luminance' of the painted piece. ย The black of my ER is stark and solid when compared to the black on a paper piece. I am not sure that you can see from a photo - but it just is. Bast and Faile take paper and more often than not paint over the paper completely before painting/screen printing a piece on top. It changes the medium and what you see as the final piece.
I do not own or have never seen a screen on metal but now you say it I can understand why it would look so nice. I take it back and thanks for the education!
Please, please, please somebody tell me what is so special about metal and art prints as i have no clue?! i usually leave metal pricing to the scrap man. ... the base that you paint onto makes a difference to the line and texture and 'luminance' of the painted piece. ย The black of my ER is stark and solid when compared to the black on a paper piece. I am not sure that you can see from a photo - but it just is. Bast and Faile take paper and more often than not paint over the paper completely before painting/screen printing a piece on top. It changes the medium and what you see as the final piece. I do not own or have never seen a screen on metal but now you say it I can understand why it would look so nice. I take it back and thanks for the education!
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 0:08:03 GMT 1, ... the base that you paint onto makes a difference to the line and texture and 'luminance' of the painted piece. The black of my ER is stark and solid when compared to the black on a paper piece. I am not sure that you can see from a photo - but it just is. Bast and Faile take paper and more often than not paint over the paper completely before painting/screen printing a piece on top. It changes the medium and what you see as the final piece. I do not own or have never seen a screen on metal but now you say it I can understand why it would look so nice. I take it back and thanks for the education! I only have one piece on metal (by K-Guy) and in this case, I think the metal made a world of difference. It really pushed the image to the next level. I'm sure that's not the case for every print on metal, but it's the only example I have seen first hand
... the base that you paint onto makes a difference to the line and texture and 'luminance' of the painted piece. The black of my ER is stark and solid when compared to the black on a paper piece. I am not sure that you can see from a photo - but it just is. Bast and Faile take paper and more often than not paint over the paper completely before painting/screen printing a piece on top. It changes the medium and what you see as the final piece. I do not own or have never seen a screen on metal but now you say it I can understand why it would look so nice. I take it back and thanks for the education! I only have one piece on metal (by K-Guy) and in this case, I think the metal made a world of difference. It really pushed the image to the next level. I'm sure that's not the case for every print on metal, but it's the only example I have seen first hand
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Whatson, by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 0:50:12 GMT 1, 'The next level'
That's a shot
(It's a shot/drinking game folks)
'The next level'
That's a shot
(It's a shot/drinking game folks)
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