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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Ottomatik on Feb 1, 2015 3:59:56 GMT 1, I can't even... My sister was blind the first 28 years of her life. Stop being a dick trying to impress your buddy, fr. It's not funny and you look like a tool. I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that.
As a gay man, I can say that I do not think that gay jokes are funny.
'Abstract,' or not.
I can't even... My sister was blind the first 28 years of her life. Stop being a dick trying to impress your buddy, fr. It's not funny and you look like a tool. I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. As a gay man, I can say that I do not think that gay jokes are funny. 'Abstract,' or not. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 4:12:51 GMT 1, I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. As a gay man, I can say that I do not think that gay jokes are funny. 'Abstract,' or not.
For example, if I said "I really want to [insert sex act] with [insert female celebrity], hope that doesn't gross you out ottomatik." I would hope that wouldn't offend you, or you may think it's funny (I can think of a better one later, granted that was terrible); the joke is more playing on a matter of fact than a stereotype, sort of just the facts of life.
Sweet Charlie Hebdo, this is getting serious.
I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. As a gay man, I can say that I do not think that gay jokes are funny. 'Abstract,' or not. I think that's a little unfortunate; there is no reason to be amused by malevolent gay jokes, but something lighthearted should make you feel more comfortable about being you, in my opinion. For example, if I said "I really want to [insert sex act] with [insert female celebrity], hope that doesn't gross you out ottomatik." I would hope that wouldn't offend you, or you may think it's funny (I can think of a better one later, granted that was terrible); the joke is more playing on a matter of fact than a stereotype, sort of just the facts of life. Sweet Charlie Hebdo, this is getting serious. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Hairbland on Feb 1, 2015 4:49:06 GMT 1, As a gay man, I can say that I do not think that gay jokes are funny. 'Abstract,' or not. I think that's a little unfortunate; there is no reason to be amused by malevolent gay jokes, but something lighthearted should make you feel more comfortable about being you, in my opinion. For example, if I said "I really want to [insert sex act] with [insert female celebrity], hope that doesn't gross you out ottomatik." I would hope that wouldn't offend you, or you may think it's funny (I can think of a better one later, granted that was terrible); the joke is more playing on a matter of fact than a stereotype, sort of just the facts of life. Sweet Charlie Hebdo, this is getting serious.
As a gay man, I can say that I do not think that gay jokes are funny. 'Abstract,' or not. I think that's a little unfortunate; there is no reason to be amused by malevolent gay jokes, but something lighthearted should make you feel more comfortable about being you, in my opinion. For example, if I said "I really want to [insert sex act] with [insert female celebrity], hope that doesn't gross you out ottomatik." I would hope that wouldn't offend you, or you may think it's funny (I can think of a better one later, granted that was terrible); the joke is more playing on a matter of fact than a stereotype, sort of just the facts of life. Sweet Charlie Hebdo, this is getting serious. You seem to be digging a bit of a hole... |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 4:51:52 GMT 1, Yeah, I'll leave till it gets back to the art. Apologies to those who were offended and I hope you don't take it personally.
Yeah, I'll leave till it gets back to the art. Apologies to those who were offended and I hope you don't take it personally.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by thomasmer on Feb 1, 2015 5:46:16 GMT 1, Is this Rexromae's show, bit strange that massive loego at the top.
Is this Rexromae's show, bit strange that massive loego at the top. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by met on Feb 1, 2015 6:43:32 GMT 1, I can't even... My sister was blind the first 28 years of her life. Stop being a dick trying to impress your buddy, fr. It's not funny and you look like a tool. I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that.
The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them.
That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion.
It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse). In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome.
If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant.
I can't even... My sister was blind the first 28 years of her life. Stop being a dick trying to impress your buddy, fr. It's not funny and you look like a tool. I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse). In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by londonboy on Feb 1, 2015 6:54:46 GMT 1, I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse).Β In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant.
Let it go dude..
I didn't think for a second it would cause such an uproar..
I apologised to the persons offended on the day,
And a good talk with one of the mods..
So don't bring that really..
I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse).Β In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant. Let it go dude.. I didn't think for a second it would cause such an uproar.. I apologised to the persons offended on the day, And a good talk with one of the mods.. So don't bring that really.. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 7:22:12 GMT 1, I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse). In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant.
I'm also not sure if you're mad for the same reason that ottomatik is, since it seems like you would have been okay if I had put a cartoon instead of an actual photo with the same caption. I guess that picture was a bit visceral, so that's fair, but to think I'm posting a picture of blind people for the sake of laughing at the blind people in the photograph, or demeaning those particular people, completely misunderstands meme humor. I also cannot tell if you are saying that you more or less disagree with the use of any meme featuring a live person.
Sensitivity level gauged, not sure what else to say.
I'm sorry to hear that, and very glad that she is apparently no longer blind. I'm not sure it's fair to take personal offense to abstract jokes made on internet forums to the point of counterattacks. I would hope that blind persons can enjoy blind jokes in the same way that a person like myself can enjoy jokes made at the expense of my ethnicity/background/disability/etc. especially when they are not particularly spiteful. Kind of shows that you respect yourself despite being in that position, and still consider yourself a person. And I'd never do anything for FR, he knows that. The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse). In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant. Alright I deleted it, still don't necessarily agree at all. I don't think it's logical to assume we are mocking the actual people in that photograph; it was the concept of blind people walking in a line toward something. To assume that the picture was meant to demean the pictured people is just an emotional stretch, in my opinion. The photo was more or less mocking fans for their inability to see things and blindly following each other. I guess I can't use the phrase "blindly following" anymore either. I'm also not sure if you're mad for the same reason that ottomatik is, since it seems like you would have been okay if I had put a cartoon instead of an actual photo with the same caption. I guess that picture was a bit visceral, so that's fair, but to think I'm posting a picture of blind people for the sake of laughing at the blind people in the photograph, or demeaning those particular people, completely misunderstands meme humor. I also cannot tell if you are saying that you more or less disagree with the use of any meme featuring a live person. Sensitivity level gauged, not sure what else to say. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Ottomatik on Feb 1, 2015 7:38:13 GMT 1, So just to clarify, in YOUR opinion, you think it's ok to post a photo of a line of blind humans and make some joke about the blind leading the blind,(Borondo hype and all) and think that it is 'pc'....
So just to clarify, in YOUR opinion, you think it's ok to post a photo of a line of blind humans and make some joke about the blind leading the blind,(Borondo hype and all) and think that it is 'pc'.... |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 7:50:29 GMT 1, Not saying it's pc at all; it isn't pc, it's internet meme humor. Usually the polar opposite of pc. A bit surprised that folks on here are talking it so personally.
I'd argue it's more ignorant to assume that me posting that picture reflects my views or actions toward disabled persons or any other group, or my age or awareness of anything at all. For all you know I'm a doctor who cures blindness. Sweet lord.
Not saying it's pc at all; it isn't pc, it's internet meme humor. Usually the polar opposite of pc. A bit surprised that folks on here are talking it so personally.
I'd argue it's more ignorant to assume that me posting that picture reflects my views or actions toward disabled persons or any other group, or my age or awareness of anything at all. For all you know I'm a doctor who cures blindness. Sweet lord.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by overend on Feb 1, 2015 7:51:34 GMT 1, So just to clarify, in YOUR opinion, you think it's ok to post a photo of a line of blind humans and make some joke about the blind leading the blind,(Borondo hype and all) and think that it is 'pc'....
I believe the correct term is visually impaired persons. Now let it go and let's get back on subject.
So just to clarify, in YOUR opinion, you think it's ok to post a photo of a line of blind humans and make some joke about the blind leading the blind,(Borondo hype and all) and think that it is 'pc'.... I believe the correct term is visually impaired persons. Now let it go and let's get back on subject. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Ottomatik on Feb 1, 2015 8:00:41 GMT 1, Not saying it's pc at all; it isn't pc, it's internet meme humor. Usually the polar opposite of pc. A bit surprised that folks on here are talking it so personally. I'd argue it's more ignorant to assume that me posting that picture reflects my views or actions toward disabled persons or any other group, or my age or awareness of anything at all. For all you know I'm a doctor who cures blindness. Sweet lord.
No worries..
Justify your cause, feel no guilt.
Enjoy your life and move on.
Cheers to you and your uncanny sense of humor.
Not saying it's pc at all; it isn't pc, it's internet meme humor. Usually the polar opposite of pc. A bit surprised that folks on here are talking it so personally. I'd argue it's more ignorant to assume that me posting that picture reflects my views or actions toward disabled persons or any other group, or my age or awareness of anything at all. For all you know I'm a doctor who cures blindness. Sweet lord. No worries.. Justify your cause, feel no guilt. Enjoy your life and move on. Cheers to you and your uncanny sense of humor. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 8:10:29 GMT 1, Not saying it's pc at all; it isn't pc, it's internet meme humor. Usually the polar opposite of pc. A bit surprised that folks on here are talking it so personally. I'd argue it's more ignorant to assume that me posting that picture reflects my views or actions toward disabled persons or any other group, or my age or awareness of anything at all. For all you know I'm a doctor who cures blindness. Sweet lord. No worries.. Justify your cause, feel no guilt. Enjoy your life and move on. Cheers to you and your uncanny sense of humor.
In the context of this forum, with relation to you, all I can ever remember doing is talking art, getting you a Zach print, and then offending you with a meme joke. I don't really feel bad about how things have gone so far, but I didn't expect you to damn me to the caste of heartless persons from that record. You can take it personally, that's your choice, just seems ridiculous to me.
Not saying it's pc at all; it isn't pc, it's internet meme humor. Usually the polar opposite of pc. A bit surprised that folks on here are talking it so personally. I'd argue it's more ignorant to assume that me posting that picture reflects my views or actions toward disabled persons or any other group, or my age or awareness of anything at all. For all you know I'm a doctor who cures blindness. Sweet lord. No worries.. Justify your cause, feel no guilt. Enjoy your life and move on. Cheers to you and your uncanny sense of humor. Explaining more than justifying, and you're still upset I see. I took a very famous idiom considered offensive by no one - "the blind leading the blind" - and found a photograph that depicted the origin/meaning of the phrase; I then connected it to Borondo fans. And then was attacked for demeaning blind people and being ignorant. In the context of this forum, with relation to you, all I can ever remember doing is talking art, getting you a Zach print, and then offending you with a meme joke. I don't really feel bad about how things have gone so far, but I didn't expect you to damn me to the caste of heartless persons from that record. You can take it personally, that's your choice, just seems ridiculous to me. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by delano on Feb 1, 2015 8:52:04 GMT 1, Need to get this thread back on track.
This is why I like & rate Borondo...
Need to get this thread back on track.
This is why I like & rate Borondo...
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 9:05:53 GMT 1, Yay another thread ruined.
Nice one DSS you clown
You don't like the little Borondo pieces we get it. Fuck off to another thread with your boring dullard comments.
Yay another thread ruined.
Nice one DSS you clown
You don't like the little Borondo pieces we get it. Fuck off to another thread with your boring dullard comments.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by ferg on Feb 1, 2015 9:11:39 GMT 1, Great vids love the reflection in the water one.
Great vids love the reflection in the water one.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by cymruplan on Feb 1, 2015 10:08:00 GMT 1, Well this thread escalated quickly. I've accepted I won't be able to afford anything and I'm too precious to queue for a print so I'm just excited to see how this emerging artist puts a show together.
Well this thread escalated quickly. I've accepted I won't be able to afford anything and I'm too precious to queue for a print so I'm just excited to see how this emerging artist puts a show together.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 10:31:01 GMT 1, Yep, thanks for posting those vids. I'm not a 'fan' of Borondo but I do appreciate the ability.
Yep, thanks for posting those vids. I'm not a 'fan' of Borondo but I do appreciate the ability.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by met on Feb 1, 2015 10:31:29 GMT 1, The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse). In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant. Alright I deleted it, still don't necessarily agree at all. I don't think it's logical to assume we are mocking the actual people in that photograph; it was the concept of blind people walking in a line toward something. To assume that the picture was meant to demean the pictured people is just an emotional stretch, in my opinion. The photo was more or less mocking fans for their inability to see things and blindly following each other. I guess I can't use the phrase "blindly following" anymore either. I'm also not sure if you're mad for the same reason that ottomatik is, since it seems like you would have been okay if I had put a cartoon instead of an actual photo with the same caption. I guess that picture was a bit visceral, so that's fair, but to think I'm posting a picture of blind people for the sake of laughing at the blind people in the photograph, or demeaning those particular people, completely misunderstands meme humor. I also cannot tell if you are saying that you more or less disagree with the use of any meme featuring a live person. Sensitivity level gauged, not sure what else to say.
I understand where you're coming from and that your intentions weren't malicious. I also believe the individuals in that photograph would feel humiliated by the way it was used here, regardless of the intent. Although I'm not always consistent, vulnerable members of society (especially those unable to defend themselves) being used for the purpose of humour by those in a position of privilege is something I'm often sensitive about.
Thank you for removing the image. It's appreciated and I'm very happy to move on.
The photograph is of individuals who (i) are identifiable and (ii) have a disability which has a serious impact on their quality of life and the opportunities available to them. That photo was used for the purpose of mockery β which serves to distance, demean and even dehumanise people who are already vulnerable and often subject to social exclusion. It's worth emphasising I don't believe the latter was your intention (though I feel your subsequent attempt to justify the original post makes matters worse). In decency terms, it brings to mind the "I can count to potato" internet meme londonboy posted last year, with the child suffering from Down's syndrome. If I could respectfully make a suggestion, it would be for you to delete your original post of the image. Afterwards, perhaps those who directly quoted the post in their response, Ottomatik and dreadnatty, could kindly do likewise. This would make the thread much less unpleasant. Alright I deleted it, still don't necessarily agree at all. I don't think it's logical to assume we are mocking the actual people in that photograph; it was the concept of blind people walking in a line toward something. To assume that the picture was meant to demean the pictured people is just an emotional stretch, in my opinion. The photo was more or less mocking fans for their inability to see things and blindly following each other. I guess I can't use the phrase "blindly following" anymore either. I'm also not sure if you're mad for the same reason that ottomatik is, since it seems like you would have been okay if I had put a cartoon instead of an actual photo with the same caption. I guess that picture was a bit visceral, so that's fair, but to think I'm posting a picture of blind people for the sake of laughing at the blind people in the photograph, or demeaning those particular people, completely misunderstands meme humor. I also cannot tell if you are saying that you more or less disagree with the use of any meme featuring a live person. Sensitivity level gauged, not sure what else to say. I understand where you're coming from and that your intentions weren't malicious. I also believe the individuals in that photograph would feel humiliated by the way it was used here, regardless of the intent. Although I'm not always consistent, vulnerable members of society (especially those unable to defend themselves) being used for the purpose of humour by those in a position of privilege is something I'm often sensitive about. Thank you for removing the image. It's appreciated and I'm very happy to move on. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Invaded 420 on Feb 1, 2015 10:44:29 GMT 1, I myself think the small glass pieces are amazing and would love to own one. I'm sure they would be well outta price range though. But love his glass and scratching stuff alot.
I myself think the small glass pieces are amazing and would love to own one. I'm sure they would be well outta price range though. But love his glass and scratching stuff alot.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dibbs 45 on Feb 1, 2015 10:56:49 GMT 1, Im also curious to see the Price List to see where his prices might be headed. I love the work of Borondo for many different reasons but no artist is immune to criticism and those that bring some valid arguments more power to you. I can say his larger work was already pretty pricy before this show. I look for an artist from our genre of Urban/street/graffiti art to have a continuing relationship with the urban environment, meaning they still get out and paint walls paid or unpaid. Its just a personal preference I like to see, but not every artist still has the time to do this so. Its great to see Borondo put in the same amount of work on the streets as he does in the studio. That being said when judging his work you have to look at what he is trying to accomplish or if he is concerned with one thing over the other, meaning what is the message? For this show we have a statement, but from my experience with his art and seeing it in person you have to look past how rough his work is for a second. It's intentionally this way not because he cant gesso a proper panel or afford a canvas, he works with the material at hand. The same material he would use in an urban setting. This makes the work seem cheap to the feel and look at times, just white buff with scratch marks but Its authentic in a way many artists lose track of when working in the studio. In contemporary art most painters choose symbolic elements to use in their medium when painting, to capture a deeper dialogue than the aesthetic portion of their work. I see something similar in his work. Yes this style has been around many times over with painters that work figuratively yet you wont be able to name an artist who uses this style in the same manner as him. Its a figure, its a palette commonly used amongst figure painters of course its going to be similar. What is not similar is the sublime nature of his work, the unique feeling you get from his subject matter. Borondo has built and is continuing to work on a deeper visual language. Many who compare his style to 20 other figure painters are missing this portion I believe. That feeling and rawness of the urban environment, the dirt on the walls the scratches deep into the walls he has painted for the past couple of years. I see many correlations in his work aesthetically that are traces even if subconscious of conceptual elements of the street. I cant say what price tag to put on his work or if will rise in value, but I can give you the reasons why I appreciate it and have been lucky enough to work with him. To those that dont see what I see great, Im not hear to hype anything just maybe give some insight from my perspective.
Im also curious to see the Price List to see where his prices might be headed. I love the work of Borondo for many different reasons but no artist is immune to criticism and those that bring some valid arguments more power to you. I can say his larger work was already pretty pricy before this show. I look for an artist from our genre of Urban/street/graffiti art to have a continuing relationship with the urban environment, meaning they still get out and paint walls paid or unpaid. Its just a personal preference I like to see, but not every artist still has the time to do this so. Its great to see Borondo put in the same amount of work on the streets as he does in the studio. That being said when judging his work you have to look at what he is trying to accomplish or if he is concerned with one thing over the other, meaning what is the message? For this show we have a statement, but from my experience with his art and seeing it in person you have to look past how rough his work is for a second. It's intentionally this way not because he cant gesso a proper panel or afford a canvas, he works with the material at hand. The same material he would use in an urban setting. This makes the work seem cheap to the feel and look at times, just white buff with scratch marks but Its authentic in a way many artists lose track of when working in the studio. In contemporary art most painters choose symbolic elements to use in their medium when painting, to capture a deeper dialogue than the aesthetic portion of their work. I see something similar in his work. Yes this style has been around many times over with painters that work figuratively yet you wont be able to name an artist who uses this style in the same manner as him. Its a figure, its a palette commonly used amongst figure painters of course its going to be similar. What is not similar is the sublime nature of his work, the unique feeling you get from his subject matter. Borondo has built and is continuing to work on a deeper visual language. Many who compare his style to 20 other figure painters are missing this portion I believe. That feeling and rawness of the urban environment, the dirt on the walls the scratches deep into the walls he has painted for the past couple of years. I see many correlations in his work aesthetically that are traces even if subconscious of conceptual elements of the street. I cant say what price tag to put on his work or if will rise in value, but I can give you the reasons why I appreciate it and have been lucky enough to work with him. To those that dont see what I see great, Im not hear to hype anything just maybe give some insight from my perspective. I agree with what your saying. As I've mentioned a few times about working in different mediums Borondo can do this. Take the bales of hay. I challenge a lot artists to do something that good on bales of hay. Sure they would have to find a farmer who likes street art in the middle of no where, where only cows can appreciate it, but the challenge is there. Not hype just appreciation! Thanks for you insight from your perspective. My guess is that East Enders was on the tele or your other half was watching Big Brother (If uk) when you penned your dissertation. You must have been bored to pen such an argument. At the moment Andrew Marr is listening to some pointless politicians diatribe as we speak on the television. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Poster Bob on Feb 1, 2015 12:18:16 GMT 1, The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive.
The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by charliec2701 on Feb 1, 2015 13:10:41 GMT 1, The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive.
Couldn't agree more ...
C'mon DSS rock up with some more relatively harmless jokes .... However bear in mind the biggest joke in history was the yanks voting in Bush !!! Afterall Bush is another name for a c*** !!!
The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive. Couldn't agree more ... C'mon DSS rock up with some more relatively harmless jokes .... However bear in mind the biggest joke in history was the yanks voting in Bush !!! Afterall Bush is another name for a c*** !!! |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by jusdeep on Feb 1, 2015 13:27:56 GMT 1, I'm very much looking forward to the show and what is on offer. I really hope he spends as much time and effort on the work as the gallery seems to have been spent on advertising and promoting the show. And also that what I have seen so far is not a reflection on the main body of work.
Rex certainly seems to be pulling out every trick in the book to draw in the crowds. I just hope that all the anticipation and media hype they are creating doesn't turn out and bite the artist.
It's a big gallery to show in and on past experience of shows there apart from a few exceptions, in my eyes they haven't used the space well or made much of an experience.
I like his work but subject is always been an issue for me with Borondo and I'm not sure I would want the majority on my wall. There's no question he has talent and is one to watch but this kind of media circus on a grand scale seems a little ott in my eyes. I'm really not sure where a young artist, new to most people and potential buyers goes from here. I think even a well established artist would be quaking at the high expectations being made of them.
I'm very much looking forward to the show and what is on offer. I really hope he spends as much time and effort on the work as the gallery seems to have been spent on advertising and promoting the show. And also that what I have seen so far is not a reflection on the main body of work.
Rex certainly seems to be pulling out every trick in the book to draw in the crowds. I just hope that all the anticipation and media hype they are creating doesn't turn out and bite the artist.
It's a big gallery to show in and on past experience of shows there apart from a few exceptions, in my eyes they haven't used the space well or made much of an experience.
I like his work but subject is always been an issue for me with Borondo and I'm not sure I would want the majority on my wall. There's no question he has talent and is one to watch but this kind of media circus on a grand scale seems a little ott in my eyes. I'm really not sure where a young artist, new to most people and potential buyers goes from here. I think even a well established artist would be quaking at the high expectations being made of them.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by edsi on Feb 1, 2015 13:34:34 GMT 1, that glass etching takes some serious skills
thx delano for sharing these videos
that glass etching takes some serious skills thx delano for sharing these videos |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 15:17:56 GMT 1, I'm very much looking forward to the show and what is on offer. I really hope he spends as much time and effort on the work as the gallery seems to have been spent on advertising and promoting the show. And also that what I have seen so far is not a reflection on the main body of work. Rex certainly seems to be pulling out every trick in the book to draw in the crowds. I just hope that all the anticipation and media hype they are creating doesn't turn out and bite the artist. It's a big gallery to show in and on past experience of shows there apart from a few exceptions, in my eyes they haven't used the space well or made much of an experience. I like his work but subject is always been an issue for me with Borondo and I'm not sure I would want the majority on my wall. There's no question he has talent and is one to watch but this kind of media circus on a grand scale seems a little ott in my eyes. I'm really not sure where a young artist, new to most people and potential buyers goes from here. I think even a well established artist would be quaking at the high expectations being made of them.
Hopefully the levels of expectation are going to be matched by the quality of the work, but agree completely that it really could damage his reputation if it doesn't!
That said I am extremely excited about the show, and hope to add a pieces to the collection.
I'm very much looking forward to the show and what is on offer. I really hope he spends as much time and effort on the work as the gallery seems to have been spent on advertising and promoting the show. And also that what I have seen so far is not a reflection on the main body of work. Rex certainly seems to be pulling out every trick in the book to draw in the crowds. I just hope that all the anticipation and media hype they are creating doesn't turn out and bite the artist. It's a big gallery to show in and on past experience of shows there apart from a few exceptions, in my eyes they haven't used the space well or made much of an experience. I like his work but subject is always been an issue for me with Borondo and I'm not sure I would want the majority on my wall. There's no question he has talent and is one to watch but this kind of media circus on a grand scale seems a little ott in my eyes. I'm really not sure where a young artist, new to most people and potential buyers goes from here. I think even a well established artist would be quaking at the high expectations being made of them. Hopefully the levels of expectation are going to be matched by the quality of the work, but agree completely that it really could damage his reputation if it doesn't! That said I am extremely excited about the show, and hope to add a pieces to the collection. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Poster Bob on Feb 1, 2015 16:00:04 GMT 1, You must have deep pockets. I think the pricing will be more aligned with the fine art crowd given the asking prices at that recent fashion event.
I'm very much looking forward to the show and what is on offer. I really hope he spends as much time and effort on the work as the gallery seems to have been spent on advertising and promoting the show. And also that what I have seen so far is not a reflection on the main body of work. Rex certainly seems to be pulling out every trick in the book to draw in the crowds. I just hope that all the anticipation and media hype they are creating doesn't turn out and bite the artist. It's a big gallery to show in and on past experience of shows there apart from a few exceptions, in my eyes they haven't used the space well or made much of an experience. I like his work but subject is always been an issue for me with Borondo and I'm not sure I would want the majority on my wall. There's no question he has talent and is one to watch but this kind of media circus on a grand scale seems a little ott in my eyes. I'm really not sure where a young artist, new to most people and potential buyers goes from here. I think even a well established artist would be quaking at the high expectations being made of them. Hopefully the levels of expectation are going to be matched by the quality of the work, but agree completely that it really could damage his reputation if it doesn't! That said I am extremely excited about the show, and hope to add a pieces to the collection.
You must have deep pockets. I think the pricing will be more aligned with the fine art crowd given the asking prices at that recent fashion event. I'm very much looking forward to the show and what is on offer. I really hope he spends as much time and effort on the work as the gallery seems to have been spent on advertising and promoting the show. And also that what I have seen so far is not a reflection on the main body of work. Rex certainly seems to be pulling out every trick in the book to draw in the crowds. I just hope that all the anticipation and media hype they are creating doesn't turn out and bite the artist. It's a big gallery to show in and on past experience of shows there apart from a few exceptions, in my eyes they haven't used the space well or made much of an experience. I like his work but subject is always been an issue for me with Borondo and I'm not sure I would want the majority on my wall. There's no question he has talent and is one to watch but this kind of media circus on a grand scale seems a little ott in my eyes. I'm really not sure where a young artist, new to most people and potential buyers goes from here. I think even a well established artist would be quaking at the high expectations being made of them. Hopefully the levels of expectation are going to be matched by the quality of the work, but agree completely that it really could damage his reputation if it doesn't! That said I am extremely excited about the show, and hope to add a pieces to the collection. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:01:26 GMT 1, The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive. Couldn't agree more ... C'mon DSS rock up with some more relatively harmless jokes .... However bear in mind the biggest joke in history was the yanks voting in Bush !!! Afterall Bush is another name for a c*** !!!
The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive. Couldn't agree more ... C'mon DSS rock up with some more relatively harmless jokes .... However bear in mind the biggest joke in history was the yanks voting in Bush !!! Afterall Bush is another name for a c*** !!! We didn't vote him in, he stole it; we all know that. The white son of an ex-president won an election by filing an equal protection claim; one of the biggest jokes in legal history. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 16:11:42 GMT 1, You must have deep pockets. I think the pricing will be more aligned with the fine art crowd given the asking prices at that recent fashion event. Hopefully the levels of expectation are going to be matched by the quality of the work, but agree completely that it really could damage his reputation if it doesn't! That said I am extremely excited about the show, and hope to add a pieces to the collection.
The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO.
They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices.
You must have deep pockets. I think the pricing will be more aligned with the fine art crowd given the asking prices at that recent fashion event. Hopefully the levels of expectation are going to be matched by the quality of the work, but agree completely that it really could damage his reputation if it doesn't! That said I am extremely excited about the show, and hope to add a pieces to the collection. The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:11:43 GMT 1, The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive.
The fact that anyone thinks a single statement by a person reflects the full spectrum of their views/emotions on the topic is insane; I hope everyone realizes that at least. Otherwise we are dealing with some antiquated pre-Cold War psychoanalysis bullshit.
The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive. I will say that American liberal ideology collapsing on itself was the theme of 2014. Working great for the Republicans, since everyone else is busy yelling at each other over trivial nonsense regarding what is politically correct. Shame though. The fact that anyone thinks a single statement by a person reflects the full spectrum of their views/emotions on the topic is insane; I hope everyone realizes that at least. Otherwise we are dealing with some antiquated pre-Cold War psychoanalysis bullshit. |
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