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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:18:53 GMT 1, I'd say dullard comments are those simply posting things like "can't wait for this show, gonna be great" rather than commenting on the artwork in a meaningful way. I said my piece about the tiny originals, then some were offended by me saying you were blindly following each other via meme so I felt obligated to explain myself.
The other street pieces in those vids look great, and the print looks nice. I'm looking forward to seeing what the free print looks like, and pics from the show. Not gonna just say things look good when I think they look crap though; part of having an opinion.
I'd say dullard comments are those simply posting things like "can't wait for this show, gonna be great" rather than commenting on the artwork in a meaningful way. I said my piece about the tiny originals, then some were offended by me saying you were blindly following each other via meme so I felt obligated to explain myself.
The other street pieces in those vids look great, and the print looks nice. I'm looking forward to seeing what the free print looks like, and pics from the show. Not gonna just say things look good when I think they look crap though; part of having an opinion.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Poster Bob on Feb 1, 2015 16:19:08 GMT 1, My favorite event of late was Benedict Cumberbatch being lampooned for using the "c word." Which I know is perhaps antiquated in today's hyper-PC world but I had no idea it could get one in so much trouble and is now deemed offensive. I wonder if the NAACP chimed in on that one 
The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive. I will say that American liberal ideology collapsing on itself was the theme of 2014. Working great for the Republicans, since everyone else is busy yelling at each other over trivial nonsense regarding what is politically correct. Shame though. The fact that anyone thinks a single statement by a person reflects the full spectrum of their views/emotions on the topic is insane; I hope everyone realizes that at least. Otherwise we are dealing with some antiquated pre-Cold War psychoanalysis bulls**t.
My favorite event of late was Benedict Cumberbatch being lampooned for using the "c word." Which I know is perhaps antiquated in today's hyper-PC world but I had no idea it could get one in so much trouble and is now deemed offensive. I wonder if the NAACP chimed in on that one The American liberal education system rears its ugly head again having produced more mindless drones incapable of critical thought, only able to cry wolf and take offense at any inane thing they've been force fed to believe is insensitive. I will say that American liberal ideology collapsing on itself was the theme of 2014. Working great for the Republicans, since everyone else is busy yelling at each other over trivial nonsense regarding what is politically correct. Shame though. The fact that anyone thinks a single statement by a person reflects the full spectrum of their views/emotions on the topic is insane; I hope everyone realizes that at least. Otherwise we are dealing with some antiquated pre-Cold War psychoanalysis bulls**t. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by dueuomo on Feb 1, 2015 16:20:17 GMT 1, You must have deep pockets. I think the pricing will be more aligned with the fine art crowd given the asking prices at that recent fashion event. The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices.
You must have deep pockets. I think the pricing will be more aligned with the fine art crowd given the asking prices at that recent fashion event. The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices. what was the fashion event? |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Poster Bob on Feb 1, 2015 16:26:16 GMT 1, SCOOP London. I tried to find the PDF but I think I deleted the email after laughing at the pricing.
The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices. what was the fashion event?Β
SCOOP London. I tried to find the PDF but I think I deleted the email after laughing at the pricing. The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices. what was the fashion event?Β |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 16:44:18 GMT 1, My favorite event of late was Benedict Cumberbatch being lampooned for using the "c word." Which I know is perhaps antiquated in today's hyper-PC world but I had no idea it could get one in so much trouble and is now deemed offensive. I wonder if the NAACP chimed in on that one I will say that American liberal ideology collapsing on itself was the theme of 2014. Working great for the Republicans, since everyone else is busy yelling at each other over trivial nonsense regarding what is politically correct. Shame though. The fact that anyone thinks a single statement by a person reflects the full spectrum of their views/emotions on the topic is insane; I hope everyone realizes that at least. Otherwise we are dealing with some antiquated pre-Cold War psychoanalysis bulls**t.
My favorite event of late was Benedict Cumberbatch being lampooned for using the "c word." Which I know is perhaps antiquated in today's hyper-PC world but I had no idea it could get one in so much trouble and is now deemed offensive. I wonder if the NAACP chimed in on that one I will say that American liberal ideology collapsing on itself was the theme of 2014. Working great for the Republicans, since everyone else is busy yelling at each other over trivial nonsense regarding what is politically correct. Shame though. The fact that anyone thinks a single statement by a person reflects the full spectrum of their views/emotions on the topic is insane; I hope everyone realizes that at least. Otherwise we are dealing with some antiquated pre-Cold War psychoanalysis bulls**t. My favorite was when everyone pledged their heart to Charlie Hebdo, and then went back to pitchforking against any potentially politically-incorrect thing said by anyone other than themselves the next day. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 16:44:58 GMT 1, The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices. what was the fashion event?Β
The fashion event was crazy pricing for not great pieces IMO. They will want this to be a sell out show, so I think there will be a good spread of prices. what was the fashion event?Β |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 16:45:51 GMT 1, From memory they were 26k
From memory they were 26k
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by delano on Feb 1, 2015 17:01:08 GMT 1, From memory they were 26k
I though they were 10/11k for the three.
I wanted to buy one, but they were only selling them together.
From memory they were 26k I though they were 10/11k for the three. I wanted to buy one, but they were only selling them together. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by dueuomo on Feb 1, 2015 17:04:43 GMT 1, My favorite event of late was Benedict Cumberbatch being lampooned for using the "c word." Which I know is perhaps antiquated in today's hyper-PC world but I had no idea it could get one in so much trouble and is now deemed offensive. I wonder if the NAACP chimed in on that one My favorite was when everyone pledged their heart to Charlie Hebdo, and then went back to pitchforking against any potentially politically-incorrect thing said by anyone other than themselves the next day.
(And I am quite disappointed that the mods did not do anything to help the discussion.)
For the Charlie Hebdo matter, I am truly surprised by how many people in the U.S. posted things like "I am Charlie". I frankly don't think they have *any* idea of what it is, and in general what this form of aggressive satire represents. It is a delicate matter because on the one hand they want to support freedom of speech, which is great, but I think many would be disgusted by the content of that journal. Why? See for example this image (http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/7/10/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-8799-1420645882-8.jpg ), and imagine this being published by a student magazine on campus: hell would break loose.
In the US a publication like that would *never* survive in large numbers: it would be harshly criticized for being "intollerant", "anti-religous"..and in general for blatantly violating basic elements of political correctness, such as insulting religion.
The point is, this is simply a form of satire that I have never seen in a widespread form in the US. Whether this is good or not, I don't know. As a European in the US I truly, truly, miss some aggressive ways of mocking elements of our society; learning to avoid using them myself took me quite a few years, and quite a bit of scolding from american friends. But at the same time, this is a society with some actual hope of integration for outsiders, and this sort of sensitivity may be helping that.
My favorite event of late was Benedict Cumberbatch being lampooned for using the "c word." Which I know is perhaps antiquated in today's hyper-PC world but I had no idea it could get one in so much trouble and is now deemed offensive. I wonder if the NAACP chimed in on that one My favorite was when everyone pledged their heart to Charlie Hebdo, and then went back to pitchforking against any potentially politically-incorrect thing said by anyone other than themselves the next day. I am Italian, so I have almost no notion of being politically correct, however, I think that you should not defend that joke behind the label of a fight for a less politically correct environment...it was just distasteful, offensive and uncalled for. There is a difference there. Not all jokes are equal. (And I am quite disappointed that the mods did not do anything to help the discussion.) For the Charlie Hebdo matter, I am truly surprised by how many people in the U.S. posted things like "I am Charlie". I frankly don't think they have *any* idea of what it is, and in general what this form of aggressive satire represents. It is a delicate matter because on the one hand they want to support freedom of speech, which is great, but I think many would be disgusted by the content of that journal. Why? See for example this image (http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/7/10/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-8799-1420645882-8.jpg ), and imagine this being published by a student magazine on campus: hell would break loose. In the US a publication like that would *never* survive in large numbers: it would be harshly criticized for being "intollerant", "anti-religous"..and in general for blatantly violating basic elements of political correctness, such as insulting religion. The point is, this is simply a form of satire that I have never seen in a widespread form in the US. Whether this is good or not, I don't know. As a European in the US I truly, truly, miss some aggressive ways of mocking elements of our society; learning to avoid using them myself took me quite a few years, and quite a bit of scolding from american friends. But at the same time, this is a society with some actual hope of integration for outsiders, and this sort of sensitivity may be helping that. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 17:26:31 GMT 1, From memory they were 26k I though they were 10/11k for the three. I wanted to buy one, but they were only selling them together.
Just checked and it was 13k for all three, my memory clearly isn't up to much!
From memory they were 26k I though they were 10/11k for the three. I wanted to buy one, but they were only selling them together. Just checked and it was 13k for all three, my memory clearly isn't up to much! |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by delano on Feb 1, 2015 17:43:24 GMT 1, I myself think the small glass pieces are amazing and would love to own one. I'm sure they would be well outta price range though. But love his glass and scratching stuff alot.
I have just been told that the small glass pieces are going to be priced at Β£200-Β£300.
I myself think the small glass pieces are amazing and would love to own one. I'm sure they would be well outta price range though. But love his glass and scratching stuff alot. I have just been told that the small glass pieces are going to be priced at Β£200-Β£300. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 17:47:18 GMT 1, I myself think the small glass pieces are amazing and would love to own one. I'm sure they would be well outta price range though. But love his glass and scratching stuff alot. I have just been told that the small glass pieces are going to be priced at Β£200-Β£300.
Great pricing if correct.
I myself think the small glass pieces are amazing and would love to own one. I'm sure they would be well outta price range though. But love his glass and scratching stuff alot. I have just been told that the small glass pieces are going to be priced at Β£200-Β£300. Great pricing if correct. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Nick on Feb 1, 2015 18:11:39 GMT 1, Wow, would love one if so...here's hoping i'm in the first batch of pdf emails
Wow, would love one if so...here's hoping i'm in the first batch of pdf emails
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 18:24:03 GMT 1, My favorite was when everyone pledged their heart to Charlie Hebdo, and then went back to pitchforking against any potentially politically-incorrect thing said by anyone other than themselves the next day. I am Italian, so I have almost no notion of being politically correct, however, I think that you should not defend that joke behind the label of a fight for a less politically correct environment...it was just distasteful, offensive and uncalled for. There is a difference there. Not all jokes are equal. (And I am quite disappointed that the mods did not do anything to help the discussion.) For the Charlie Hebdo matter, I am truly surprised by how many people in the U.S. posted things like "I am Charlie". I frankly don't think they have *any* idea of what it is, and in general what this form of aggressive satire represents. It is a delicate matter because on the one hand they want to support freedom of speech, which is great, but I think many would be disgusted by the content of that journal. Why? See for example this image (http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/7/10/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-8799-1420645882-8.jpg ), and imagine this being published by a student magazine on campus: hell would break loose. In the US a publication like that would *never* survive in large numbers: it would be harshly criticized for being "intollerant", "anti-religous"..and in general for blatantly violating basic elements of political correctness, such as insulting religion. The point is, this is simply a form of satire that I have never seen in a widespread form in the US. Whether this is good or not, I don't know. As a European in the US I truly, truly, miss some aggressive ways of mocking elements of our society; learning to avoid using them myself took me quite a few years, and quite a bit of scolding from american friends. But at the same time, this is a society with some actual hope of integration for outsiders, and this sort of sensitivity may be helping that.
In my opinion, it tends to be the politically correct ones that you should worry about more. The War in Iraq was politically correct at the time, as was Nazi Germany. Kind of wish more people had been politically incorrect then.
I'm genuinely curious if a drawing would have been better than a photograph, since I want to know where most of you are drawing the line re: depravity. Or if I had just said "you're all the blind following the blind, and are taking your eyesight for granted;" while offensive to those who liked the borondo pieces, that wouldn't have been considered demeaning to blind persons; would that have been okay?
My favorite was when everyone pledged their heart to Charlie Hebdo, and then went back to pitchforking against any potentially politically-incorrect thing said by anyone other than themselves the next day. I am Italian, so I have almost no notion of being politically correct, however, I think that you should not defend that joke behind the label of a fight for a less politically correct environment...it was just distasteful, offensive and uncalled for. There is a difference there. Not all jokes are equal. (And I am quite disappointed that the mods did not do anything to help the discussion.) For the Charlie Hebdo matter, I am truly surprised by how many people in the U.S. posted things like "I am Charlie". I frankly don't think they have *any* idea of what it is, and in general what this form of aggressive satire represents. It is a delicate matter because on the one hand they want to support freedom of speech, which is great, but I think many would be disgusted by the content of that journal. Why? See for example this image (http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/7/10/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-8799-1420645882-8.jpg ), and imagine this being published by a student magazine on campus: hell would break loose. In the US a publication like that would *never* survive in large numbers: it would be harshly criticized for being "intollerant", "anti-religous"..and in general for blatantly violating basic elements of political correctness, such as insulting religion. The point is, this is simply a form of satire that I have never seen in a widespread form in the US. Whether this is good or not, I don't know. As a European in the US I truly, truly, miss some aggressive ways of mocking elements of our society; learning to avoid using them myself took me quite a few years, and quite a bit of scolding from american friends. But at the same time, this is a society with some actual hope of integration for outsiders, and this sort of sensitivity may be helping that. Agree with pretty much everything said here, other than the level of offensiveness of that joke. Have gotten a fair amount of PMs in support (and I'm sure ottomatik has gotten his as well); always two sides of the coin. I think as long as you all understand that me making that joke doesn't have anything to do with my attitude or real life actions toward blind people, then we should be fine. I could play PC-police on the forum over the next few months and show you how you're all hypocrites but that's a huge waste of time. In my opinion, it tends to be the politically correct ones that you should worry about more. The War in Iraq was politically correct at the time, as was Nazi Germany. Kind of wish more people had been politically incorrect then. I'm genuinely curious if a drawing would have been better than a photograph, since I want to know where most of you are drawing the line re: depravity. Or if I had just said "you're all the blind following the blind, and are taking your eyesight for granted;" while offensive to those who liked the borondo pieces, that wouldn't have been considered demeaning to blind persons; would that have been okay? |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 18:25:14 GMT 1, I guess 200-300GBP makes sense for those originals if you look at it reasonably; probably the same amount of work as the handfinishing on the identity print and that was 400GBP right?
Actually I think it was like 250-300, so yeah makes sense.
I guess 200-300GBP makes sense for those originals if you look at it reasonably; probably the same amount of work as the handfinishing on the identity print and that was 400GBP right?
Actually I think it was like 250-300, so yeah makes sense.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by FΠ― on Feb 1, 2015 18:42:18 GMT 1, All this stuff is like swoon and connor harrington having a Kid.
Can someone enlighten me on why they are pooing their pants over this stuff.
i think its because there is a lack of anything else around.
tell me if there was a banksy show on next door would this be sold out or any other of the big players.
nope.
seems like these days if you paint big walls and weird shit, like canal boats you become the oracle.
All this stuff is like swoon and connor harrington having a Kid.
Can someone enlighten me on why they are pooing their pants over this stuff.
i think its because there is a lack of anything else around.
tell me if there was a banksy show on next door would this be sold out or any other of the big players.
nope.
seems like these days if you paint big walls and weird shit, like canal boats you become the oracle.
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Nick on Feb 1, 2015 18:45:46 GMT 1, Can you please leave the blind picture joke debate to PM's if it needs to go any further. It's a major bore
Can you please leave the blind picture joke debate to PM's if it needs to go any further. It's a major bore
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 18:46:05 GMT 1, All this stuff is like swoon and connor harrington having a Kid. Can someone enlighten me on why they are pooing their pants over this stuff.
well harrington's wife is an artist, so that kid might have some potential. on a whole, i guess people just like things to celebrate.
All this stuff is like swoon and connor harrington having a Kid. Can someone enlighten me on why they are pooing their pants over this stuff. well harrington's wife is an artist, so that kid might have some potential. on a whole, i guess people just like things to celebrate. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 18:46:23 GMT 1, Can you please leave the blind picture joke debate to PM's if it needs to go any further. It's a major bore
I'll end it with this.
Can you please leave the blind picture joke debate to PM's if it needs to go any further. It's a major bore I'll end it with this. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by joecool91 on Feb 1, 2015 18:46:59 GMT 1, If those small originals are 200-300 I can see them being snapped up very quick!
I'm on the list for a pdf so hopefully can grab one! 
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by charliec2701 on Feb 1, 2015 19:02:16 GMT 1, If those small originals are 200-300 I can see them being snapped up very quick! I'm on the list for a pdf so hopefully can grab one!Β
What relevance does bring on a PDF list have to do with getting a small original 
If those small originals are 200-300 I can see them being snapped up very quick! I'm on the list for a pdf so hopefully can grab one!Β What relevance does bring on a PDF list have to do with getting a small original |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by HRE on Feb 1, 2015 19:02:50 GMT 1, When is the PDF being released? I will look forward to seeing if the hype is warranted
When is the PDF being released? I will look forward to seeing if the hype is warranted
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Nick on Feb 1, 2015 19:08:24 GMT 1, If those small originals are 200-300 I can see them being snapped up very quick! I'm on the list for a pdf so hopefully can grab one! What relevance does bring on a PDF list have to do with getting a small original
If those small originals are 200-300 I can see them being snapped up very quick! I'm on the list for a pdf so hopefully can grab one! What relevance does bring on a PDF list have to do with getting a small original Anything vaguely affordable will sell before the show i reckon. As soon as the PDF list is released pre-sales will start. With a lot of demand for his originals it will be those who email back and pay first who get the goods. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Aza on Feb 1, 2015 19:08:43 GMT 1, Why is people discussing an artist they like considered hype?
May as well call every artist hyped and close the forum to end all the discussion.
So to not hype an artist, they should not be discussed on a discussion forum?
Why is people discussing an artist they like considered hype?
May as well call every artist hyped and close the forum to end all the discussion.
So to not hype an artist, they should not be discussed on a discussion forum?
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by .dappy on Feb 1, 2015 19:14:57 GMT 1,
... c'mon I dare you ... I double dare you ... you know you want to ...
... up for 10 mins ... 
EDIT: Link now closed ... PDF should be released to all tomorrow ... Thanks for the PM's ... c'mon I dare you ... I double dare you ... you know you want to ... ... up for 10 mins ...
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by melize on Feb 1, 2015 19:15:11 GMT 1, I am Italian, so I have almost no notion of being politically correct, however, I think that you should not defend that joke behind the label of a fight for a less politically correct environment...it was just distasteful, offensive and uncalled for. There is a difference there. Not all jokes are equal. (And I am quite disappointed that the mods did not do anything to help the discussion.) For the Charlie Hebdo matter, I am truly surprised by how many people in the U.S. posted things like "I am Charlie". I frankly don't think they have *any* idea of what it is, and in general what this form of aggressive satire represents. It is a delicate matter because on the one hand they want to support freedom of speech, which is great, but I think many would be disgusted by the content of that journal. Why? See for example this image (http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/7/10/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-8799-1420645882-8.jpg ), and imagine this being published by a student magazine on campus: hell would break loose. In the US a publication like that would *never* survive in large numbers: it would be harshly criticized for being "intollerant", "anti-religous"..and in general for blatantly violating basic elements of political correctness, such as insulting religion. The point is, this is simply a form of satire that I have never seen in a widespread form in the US. Whether this is good or not, I don't know. As a European in the US I truly, truly, miss some aggressive ways of mocking elements of our society; learning to avoid using them myself took me quite a few years, and quite a bit of scolding from american friends. But at the same time, this is a society with some actual hope of integration for outsiders, and this sort of sensitivity may be helping that. In my opinion, it tends to be the politically correct ones that you should worry about more. The War in Iraq was politically correct at the time, as was Nazi Germany. Kind of wish more people had been politically incorrect then.
I am Italian, so I have almost no notion of being politically correct, however, I think that you should not defend that joke behind the label of a fight for a less politically correct environment...it was just distasteful, offensive and uncalled for. There is a difference there. Not all jokes are equal. (And I am quite disappointed that the mods did not do anything to help the discussion.) For the Charlie Hebdo matter, I am truly surprised by how many people in the U.S. posted things like "I am Charlie". I frankly don't think they have *any* idea of what it is, and in general what this form of aggressive satire represents. It is a delicate matter because on the one hand they want to support freedom of speech, which is great, but I think many would be disgusted by the content of that journal. Why? See for example this image (http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2015-01/7/10/enhanced/webdr05/enhanced-8799-1420645882-8.jpg ), and imagine this being published by a student magazine on campus: hell would break loose. In the US a publication like that would *never* survive in large numbers: it would be harshly criticized for being "intollerant", "anti-religous"..and in general for blatantly violating basic elements of political correctness, such as insulting religion. The point is, this is simply a form of satire that I have never seen in a widespread form in the US. Whether this is good or not, I don't know. As a European in the US I truly, truly, miss some aggressive ways of mocking elements of our society; learning to avoid using them myself took me quite a few years, and quite a bit of scolding from american friends. But at the same time, this is a society with some actual hope of integration for outsiders, and this sort of sensitivity may be helping that. In my opinion, it tends to be the politically correct ones that you should worry about more. The War in Iraq was politically correct at the time, as was Nazi Germany. Kind of wish more people had been politically incorrect then. I've just taken this part of your post and I don't think it is out of context. But really? What do you mean? |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by DREAMERS on Feb 1, 2015 19:19:08 GMT 1, ... c'mon I dare you ... I double dare you ... you know you want to ... ... up for 10 mins ...
Can't load this one my phone!!!
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Aza on Feb 1, 2015 19:20:03 GMT 1, ... c'mon I dare you ... I double dare you ... you know you want to ... ... up for 10 mins ...
All sold already 
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 19:21:17 GMT 1, In my opinion, it tends to be the politically correct ones that you should worry about more. The War in Iraq was politically correct at the time, as was Nazi Germany. Kind of wish more people had been politically incorrect then. I've just taken this part of your post and I don't think it is out of context. But really? What do you mean?
The rise of the Nazi party in Germany was considered a politically correct movement in the context of post-WWI socioeconomic destruction, and was lauded by the international community in the 1920s and early 1930s due to its ability to rebuild international political and economic ties. It was clearly not worthy of any praise.
I guess I'm saying that politically correct does not always mean correct or humane, in the slightest. But this conversation is getting really off track.
In my opinion, it tends to be the politically correct ones that you should worry about more. The War in Iraq was politically correct at the time, as was Nazi Germany. Kind of wish more people had been politically incorrect then. I've just taken this part of your post and I don't think it is out of context. But really? What do you mean? The War in Iraq was approved by the international community due to the false presentation of uranium to the UN; at the time it was considered a just war. It was not. The rise of the Nazi party in Germany was considered a politically correct movement in the context of post-WWI socioeconomic destruction, and was lauded by the international community in the 1920s and early 1930s due to its ability to rebuild international political and economic ties. It was clearly not worthy of any praise. I guess I'm saying that politically correct does not always mean correct or humane, in the slightest. But this conversation is getting really off track. |
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Gonzalo Borondo πͺπ¦ Spanish Glass Artist β’ Street Art, by Dungle on Feb 1, 2015 19:22:09 GMT 1, All this stuff is like swoon and connor harrington having a Kid. Can someone enlighten me on why they are pooing their pants over this stuff. i think its because there is a lack of anything else around. tell me if there was a banksy show on next door would this be sold out or any other of the big players. nope. seems like these days if you paint big walls and weird s**t, like canal boats you become the oracle.
The same could be said of Ernest Zacherist who you hyped the life out of and then sold. Or your opinion on Sandra Chevier, or that bloke on a cow who was the best thing since sliced bread.
All it is is opinions, if you expect people to respect your opinions then you should perhaps show the same respect.
I get it that you and others don't like Borondo, but surely you can then just ignore a thread once you've said your piece.
He is a prolific artist on the street and this is a street art forum after all.
All this stuff is like swoon and connor harrington having a Kid. Can someone enlighten me on why they are pooing their pants over this stuff. i think its because there is a lack of anything else around. tell me if there was a banksy show on next door would this be sold out or any other of the big players. nope. seems like these days if you paint big walls and weird s**t, like canal boats you become the oracle. The same could be said of Ernest Zacherist who you hyped the life out of and then sold. Or your opinion on Sandra Chevier, or that bloke on a cow who was the best thing since sliced bread. All it is is opinions, if you expect people to respect your opinions then you should perhaps show the same respect. I get it that you and others don't like Borondo, but surely you can then just ignore a thread once you've said your piece. He is a prolific artist on the street and this is a street art forum after all. |
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