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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Loobaz on Jun 22, 2016 18:55:45 GMT 1, For the purposes of clarity (as sellers tend to use these results to price their private sales), below is Approximately what the Sellers achieved:
Because I'm worthless: Β£10k
Reaper: Β£7.6k
Toxic Mary: Β£6.4k
Nola: Β£19.2k
LA Set: not sold
Trolleys: Β£9.6k
Police Kids: Β£8.8k
Stop & Search: Β£20k
Flying Copper: Β£12.8k
CND: Β£11.2k
WSM: Β£8.8k
For the purposes of clarity (as sellers tend to use these results to price their private sales), below is Approximately what the Sellers achieved:
Because I'm worthless: Β£10k
Reaper: Β£7.6k
Toxic Mary: Β£6.4k
Nola: Β£19.2k
LA Set: not sold
Trolleys: Β£9.6k
Police Kids: Β£8.8k
Stop & Search: Β£20k
Flying Copper: Β£12.8k
CND: Β£11.2k
WSM: Β£8.8k
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Loobaz on Jun 22, 2016 18:58:20 GMT 1, Should you not also show the prices achieved by the sellers (Hammer minus Seller Premiums and any other fees)? Otherwise that can be deceptive, as well. Well ultimately the significant factor is what buyers actually pay for these pieces and not what a seller nets due to various fees structures ect. All and all just a guide and more affirmation of the constant increase in demand and decrease in supply.
When Sellers use these "plus, plus" prices to price their Private sales, I do believe it necessary to take the actual price achieved into consideration. The door swings both ways, after all.
Should you not also show the prices achieved by the sellers (Hammer minus Seller Premiums and any other fees)? Otherwise that can be deceptive, as well. Well ultimately the significant factor is what buyers actually pay for these pieces and not what a seller nets due to various fees structures ect. All and all just a guide and more affirmation of the constant increase in demand and decrease in supply. When Sellers use these "plus, plus" prices to price their Private sales, I do believe it necessary to take the actual price achieved into consideration. The door swings both ways, after all. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 19:01:32 GMT 1, Sold for less than what people here are trying to pimp them out for.
Sold for less than what people here are trying to pimp them out for.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lee3 on Jun 22, 2016 19:05:23 GMT 1, Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Should you not also show the prices achieved by the sellers (Hammer minus Seller Premiums and any other fees)? Otherwise that can be deceptive, as well.
Excluding the fees does not show what was actually paid for the pieces so a bit deceptive. Should you not also show the prices achieved by the sellers (Hammer minus Seller Premiums and any other fees)? Otherwise that can be deceptive, as well. It's a fairly accepted standard to always report with premium. You know that buyers always paid a little (5%) to a lot (15%) more depending on where they live than the price with premium. You can also safely assume that sellers receive about 2/3s of the reported price with premium IF they paid full sellers fees. Given the demand for this artist in particular, most smart sellers are going to pay reduced sellers fees. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by mrblast on Jun 22, 2016 21:12:57 GMT 1, Well ultimately the significant factor is what buyers actually pay for these pieces and not what a seller nets due to various fees structures ect. All and all just a guide and more affirmation of the constant increase in demand and decrease in supply. When Sellers use these "plus, plus" prices to price their Private sales, I do believe it necessary to take the actual price achieved into consideration. The door swings both ways, after all.
Well ultimately the significant factor is what buyers actually pay for these pieces and not what a seller nets due to various fees structures ect. All and all just a guide and more affirmation of the constant increase in demand and decrease in supply. When Sellers use these "plus, plus" prices to price their Private sales, I do believe it necessary to take the actual price achieved into consideration. The door swings both ways, after all. Yes but the market is more accurately reflected by what someone is prepared to pay not by what the seller receives net after his individual circumstances and fee structures have been considered. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Loobaz on Jun 22, 2016 21:41:45 GMT 1, When Sellers use these "plus, plus" prices to price their Private sales, I do believe it necessary to take the actual price achieved into consideration. The door swings both ways, after all. Yes but the market is more accurately reflected by what someone is prepared to pay not by what the seller receives net after his individual circumstances and fee structures have been considered.
When Sellers use these "plus, plus" prices to price their Private sales, I do believe it necessary to take the actual price achieved into consideration. The door swings both ways, after all. Yes but the market is more accurately reflected by what someone is prepared to pay not by what the seller receives net after his individual circumstances and fee structures have been considered. All I am saying is that when Sellers use these auction sales figures to price their artwork for private sale (which we all know to be the case), I think it is pertinent to also remember their net result from such sales. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 22, 2016 22:16:36 GMT 1, I think the market is as much driven by what a seller is prepared to accept as much as a buyer is prepared to pay.
I think the market is as much driven by what a seller is prepared to accept as much as a buyer is prepared to pay.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by stillborncrisps on Jun 23, 2016 0:27:51 GMT 1, Wasn't there a thread here in the last month or so about auction hyping? Prices getting driven up, recorded as such, but behind the scenes the sales all fall through - bonly that little detail gets 'lost', but conveniently creates a false new price level.
Unless we know that these sales definitely complete, today's surprise leapfrog in pricing is meaningless/not to be trusted as a yardstick?
Wasn't there a thread here in the last month or so about auction hyping? Prices getting driven up, recorded as such, but behind the scenes the sales all fall through - bonly that little detail gets 'lost', but conveniently creates a false new price level.
Unless we know that these sales definitely complete, today's surprise leapfrog in pricing is meaningless/not to be trusted as a yardstick?
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lobster on Jun 23, 2016 9:23:58 GMT 1, " Well ultimately the significant factor is what buyers actually pay for these pieces and not what a seller nets due to various fees structures ect. All and all just a guide and more affirmation of the constant increase in demand and decrease in supply "
Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/139330/bonhams-22nd-june-prints-multiples#ixzz4COBpV9cr
I would strongly disagree with this statement - trust me I am firmly NOT in the " Banksy prices are not increasing " camp like that crazy American dude on here who constantly posts how prices are inflated (!!) but I think Auction Results like yesterday prove something very different.
What Bonhams sale proved yesterday was that CERTAIN buyers are prepared to pay these prices to this Auction House ?? Bonham clearly have huge marketing resources and also a database of art buyers who have bought with them before , paid in full etc etc - clearly there are large amount of art buyers who will choose to buy at auction for the security and transparency that this route affords - valid or not.
At first glance the upto 40% ( ish ) disparity between the hammer price and what the seller actually receives looks like insanity and I am sure we all look at auction prices sometimes and think frankly the guy would have actually been better off sticking it on eBay or certainly posting on here (!!) while of course a lot of times going down the auction route actually gets you more money despite the frankly (IMO ) ludicrous premiums as I am sure whoever consigned the Stop and Search yesterday would certainly agree with ??
In short results like yesterday prove the prices that can be achieved through auction houses with all the resources they have at their disposal - what it doesn't prove is what ALL buyers are prepared to pay ??
" Well ultimately the significant factor is what buyers actually pay for these pieces and not what a seller nets due to various fees structures ect. All and all just a guide and more affirmation of the constant increase in demand and decrease in supply " Read more: urbanartassociation.com/thread/139330/bonhams-22nd-june-prints-multiples#ixzz4COBpV9crI would strongly disagree with this statement - trust me I am firmly NOT in the " Banksy prices are not increasing " camp like that crazy American dude on here who constantly posts how prices are inflated (!!) but I think Auction Results like yesterday prove something very different. What Bonhams sale proved yesterday was that CERTAIN buyers are prepared to pay these prices to this Auction House ?? Bonham clearly have huge marketing resources and also a database of art buyers who have bought with them before , paid in full etc etc - clearly there are large amount of art buyers who will choose to buy at auction for the security and transparency that this route affords - valid or not. At first glance the upto 40% ( ish ) disparity between the hammer price and what the seller actually receives looks like insanity and I am sure we all look at auction prices sometimes and think frankly the guy would have actually been better off sticking it on eBay or certainly posting on here (!!) while of course a lot of times going down the auction route actually gets you more money despite the frankly (IMO ) ludicrous premiums as I am sure whoever consigned the Stop and Search yesterday would certainly agree with ?? In short results like yesterday prove the prices that can be achieved through auction houses with all the resources they have at their disposal - what it doesn't prove is what ALL buyers are prepared to pay ?? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Viking Surfer on Jun 25, 2016 9:23:16 GMT 1, Featuring another Stik Baby print.
Interesting to note that the STIK - Baby Print only sold for 5k including the buyers premium.
Looks like the auction pushers are starting to bow out.
Featuring another Stik Baby print. Interesting to note that the STIK - Baby Print only sold for 5k including the buyers premium. Looks like the auction pushers are starting to bow out. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by tartarus on Jun 25, 2016 9:28:20 GMT 1, Featuring another Stik Baby print. Interesting to note that the STIK - Baby Print only sold for 5k includingΒ the buyers premium. Looks like the auction pushers are starting to bow out.
Oh right. So all of a sudden, one auction result sets his prices. Funny that isn't it.
5k is still a great price, but keep trying to talk it down.
Featuring another Stik Baby print. Interesting to note that the STIK - Baby Print only sold for 5k includingΒ the buyers premium. Looks like the auction pushers are starting to bow out. Oh right. So all of a sudden, one auction result sets his prices. Funny that isn't it. 5k is still a great price, but keep trying to talk it down. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Dice on Jun 28, 2016 14:43:40 GMT 1, I still can't believe someone out there was willing to pay Β£31000 for a stop and search!
I still can't believe someone out there was willing to pay Β£31000 for a stop and search!
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Black Apple Art on Oct 28, 2016 3:49:33 GMT 1, Few pieces coming up at Bonhams. Last B pieces offered there were in June.
Rude Copper
Banksy (British, born 1975) Rude Copper Screenprint, on wove, 2002, with the stamped signature in red ink, numbered 64/250 in pencil, printed and published by Pictures on Walls, London, 565 x 420mm (22 1/4 x 16 1/2in)(SH) (unframed)
Β£4,000 - 6,000
US$ 4,900 - 7,400
β¬4,500 - 6,700
Napalm
Banksy (British, born 1975) Napalm Screenprint in colours, 2004, on wove, signed, dated and numbered 25/150 in pencil, published by Pictures on Walls, London, with their blindstamp, the full sheet, 500 x 700mm (19 3/4 x 27 1/2in)(SH)
Β£3,000 - 5,000
US$ 3,700 - 6,100
β¬3,400 - 5,600
Four Soup Cans (Gold on Cream)
Banksy (British, born 1975) Four Soup Cans (Gold on Cream) Screenprint in colours, 2006, on cream wove, signed, dated and numbered 11/54 in pencil, the full sheet, 700 x 500mm (27 1/2 x 19 5/8in)(SH)
Β£5,000 - 7,000
US$ 6,100 - 8,600
β¬5,600 - 7,900
CND soldiers
Banksy (British, born 1975) CND soldiers Screenprint in colours, 2005, on wove, signed, dated and numbered 294/350 in pencil, published by Pictures on Walls, London, with their blindstamp, the full sheet, 700 x 500mm(27 1/2 x 19 3/4in)(SH)
Β£7,000 - 10,000
US$ 8,600 - 12,000
β¬7,900 - 11,000
Strawberry Donuts
Banksy (British, born 1975) Strawberry Donuts Screenprint in colours, 2009, on Arches, signed and numbered 280/299 in red crayon, published by Pictures on Walls, London, with their blindstamp, the full sheet, 555 x 757mm (21 5/8 x 2 1/2in)(SH)
Β£6,000 - 8,000
US$ 7,400 - 9,800
β¬6,700 - 9,000
Watchtower ( Nov 21st)
Banksy B. 1975, ηε
ζ― Watchtower ε΄ζ¨ 2007signed and numbered 3/15 on the underside of the baseolivewoodheight: 24cm (9 7/16in)
HK$ 100,000 - 150,000
US$ 13,000 - 19,000
Β£11,000 - 16,000
Few pieces coming up at Bonhams. Last B pieces offered there were in June.
Rude Copper
Banksy (British, born 1975) Rude Copper Screenprint, on wove, 2002, with the stamped signature in red ink, numbered 64/250 in pencil, printed and published by Pictures on Walls, London, 565 x 420mm (22 1/4 x 16 1/2in)(SH) (unframed)
Β£4,000 - 6,000
US$ 4,900 - 7,400
β¬4,500 - 6,700
Napalm
Banksy (British, born 1975) Napalm Screenprint in colours, 2004, on wove, signed, dated and numbered 25/150 in pencil, published by Pictures on Walls, London, with their blindstamp, the full sheet, 500 x 700mm (19 3/4 x 27 1/2in)(SH)
Β£3,000 - 5,000
US$ 3,700 - 6,100
β¬3,400 - 5,600
Four Soup Cans (Gold on Cream)
Banksy (British, born 1975) Four Soup Cans (Gold on Cream) Screenprint in colours, 2006, on cream wove, signed, dated and numbered 11/54 in pencil, the full sheet, 700 x 500mm (27 1/2 x 19 5/8in)(SH)
Β£5,000 - 7,000
US$ 6,100 - 8,600
β¬5,600 - 7,900
CND soldiers
Banksy (British, born 1975) CND soldiers Screenprint in colours, 2005, on wove, signed, dated and numbered 294/350 in pencil, published by Pictures on Walls, London, with their blindstamp, the full sheet, 700 x 500mm(27 1/2 x 19 3/4in)(SH)
Β£7,000 - 10,000
US$ 8,600 - 12,000
β¬7,900 - 11,000
Strawberry Donuts
Banksy (British, born 1975) Strawberry Donuts Screenprint in colours, 2009, on Arches, signed and numbered 280/299 in red crayon, published by Pictures on Walls, London, with their blindstamp, the full sheet, 555 x 757mm (21 5/8 x 2 1/2in)(SH)
Β£6,000 - 8,000
US$ 7,400 - 9,800
β¬6,700 - 9,000
Watchtower ( Nov 21st)
Banksy B. 1975, ηε
ζ― Watchtower ε΄ζ¨ 2007signed and numbered 3/15 on the underside of the baseolivewoodheight: 24cm (9 7/16in)
HK$ 100,000 - 150,000
US$ 13,000 - 19,000
Β£11,000 - 16,000
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by gravity1 on Oct 28, 2016 18:40:34 GMT 1, They sure do like their low estimates.
They sure do like their low estimates.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by avec art on Oct 28, 2016 20:23:39 GMT 1, Creating a false sense of hope for uninformed customers.
Creating a false sense of hope for uninformed customers.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by yoyosh on Oct 28, 2016 21:30:27 GMT 1, So what do we think Four Soup Cans goes for? Double high end est?
So what do we think Four Soup Cans goes for? Double high end est?
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by loartve on Oct 28, 2016 22:01:51 GMT 1, One hammered at $18k just this week at Phillips stateside, $22,500 with BP
One hammered at $18k just this week at Phillips stateside, $22,500 with BP
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Gangsta Nola on Oct 28, 2016 22:03:39 GMT 1, What sort of price are we looking at for the Rude Copper ?
Am assuming it'll be dependant upon condition ? Couldn't see a condition report ?
What sort of price are we looking at for the Rude Copper ?
Am assuming it'll be dependant upon condition ? Couldn't see a condition report ?
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by singo369 on Oct 28, 2016 23:12:42 GMT 1, Those estimates are ridiculous!
Those estimates are ridiculous!
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Viking Surfer on Oct 29, 2016 7:37:00 GMT 1, What sort of price are we looking at for the Rude Copper ? Am assuming it'll be dependant upon condition ? Couldn't see a condition report ?
Already emailed for a condition report.
It has light foxing and some abrasions to the shoulder. Waiting to hear back if the work has full margins too or has been trimmed. Can't tell from the pic so it's likely that it's currently framed and the image cropped.
What sort of price are we looking at for the Rude Copper ? Am assuming it'll be dependant upon condition ? Couldn't see a condition report ? Already emailed for a condition report. It has light foxing and some abrasions to the shoulder. Waiting to hear back if the work has full margins too or has been trimmed. Can't tell from the pic so it's likely that it's currently framed and the image cropped. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Gangsta Nola on Oct 29, 2016 9:01:58 GMT 1, Thanks Viking
From what I remember condition is the main thing with the Rude Coppers.
Have always wanted one of the HF ones ! But I think rocking horse shit is the phrase used !
Thanks Viking
From what I remember condition is the main thing with the Rude Coppers.
Have always wanted one of the HF ones ! But I think rocking horse shit is the phrase used !
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Octopus UK on Oct 31, 2016 21:15:14 GMT 1, After the BREXIT vote and sterling plummeting, a euro or dollar purchaser is likely to snap these up. )o:
After the BREXIT vote and sterling plummeting, a euro or dollar purchaser is likely to snap these up. )o:
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by pressman on Oct 31, 2016 23:32:22 GMT 1, Yeah, thanks Farage
Yeah, thanks Farage
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Viking Surfer on Nov 4, 2016 17:01:21 GMT 1, So I had detailed photos of the foxing back and it's pretty bad. Quite scattered and will be a more complex restoration job than normal.
It's also caused some strong discolouration with the black on the shoulder.
I've been after a RC for a while now but I certainly won't be bidding on this.
Night and day difference between this one and the Forum Auctions one. I'll upload some pics if possible tomorrow.
So I had detailed photos of the foxing back and it's pretty bad. Quite scattered and will be a more complex restoration job than normal.
It's also caused some strong discolouration with the black on the shoulder.
I've been after a RC for a while now but I certainly won't be bidding on this.
Night and day difference between this one and the Forum Auctions one. I'll upload some pics if possible tomorrow.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by brookvale on Nov 4, 2016 18:09:47 GMT 1, I got the condition report and photos too.
wouldn't be too bad if the print sold for 7-8 K.
Then I think I could live with it
I got the condition report and photos too.
wouldn't be too bad if the print sold for 7-8 K.
Then I think I could live with it
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 4, 2016 19:22:13 GMT 1, What is foxing?
I've heard of dogging!
What is foxing?
I've heard of dogging!
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by I Woke in Relief on Nov 4, 2016 19:25:32 GMT 1, What is foxing? I've heard of dogging!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxing
"Foxing is an age-related process of deterioration that causes spots and browning on old paper documents such as books, postage stamps and certificates. The name may derive from the fox-like reddish-brown color of the stains, or the rust chemical ferric oxide which may be involved. Paper so affected is said to be "foxed"."
What is foxing? I've heard of dogging! "Foxing is an age-related process of deterioration that causes spots and browning on old paper documents such as books, postage stamps and certificates. The name may derive from the fox-like reddish-brown color of the stains, or the rust chemical ferric oxide which may be involved. Paper so affected is said to be "foxed"." |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by avec art on Nov 4, 2016 20:38:15 GMT 1, Yeah I don't think there is much you can do to fix that.
Yeah I don't think there is much you can do to fix that.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 5, 2016 0:05:37 GMT 1, Sounds like it's well foxed
Sounds like it's well foxed
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Viking Surfer on Nov 5, 2016 5:25:06 GMT 1, I got the condition report and photos too. wouldn't be too bad if the print sold for 7-8 K. Then I think I could live with it
It will sell for 7-9k because most people won't actually email for a condition report. Blows my mind but that's what happens.
If you can live with the foxing you are a better man than me, foxing is quite different to ironing out a crease.
I got the condition report and photos too. wouldn't be too bad if the print sold for 7-8 K. Then I think I could live with it It will sell for 7-9k because most people won't actually email for a condition report. Blows my mind but that's what happens. If you can live with the foxing you are a better man than me, foxing is quite different to ironing out a crease. |
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