Unica
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Unica on Jun 27, 2017 17:06:50 GMT 1, I would think that close to Β£16k for a coloured soup can, especially one in that not very attractive colourway is a pretty good result. And I do think the condition hurt the GWB.
I would think that close to Β£16k for a coloured soup can, especially one in that not very attractive colourway is a pretty good result. And I do think the condition hurt the GWB.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:07:40 GMT 1, No record prices then.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of these prints have seen the inside of more sale rooms than Dot Cottons smoked fags.
No record prices then.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of these prints have seen the inside of more sale rooms than Dot Cottons smoked fags.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by foreman on Jun 27, 2017 17:36:47 GMT 1, Oh yeah, don't forget that bit, and this added on, and the other... No getting away from the fact that these results are a long way from "forum valuations" Remember that the seller only gets the hammer price less around 15-20% Remember that next time someone wants Β£25k for a print on here
Regardless what the seller ends up with. Why are people so quick to dismiss all these fee as not being apart of the value of the print. These are real costs paid by the buyer to acquire the print. If there were no fees, taxes, ARR, etc... the hammer price would ultimately be higher.
The seller is paying the auction house for a service (Selling a print can be a pain in the ass). If the seller wants to find a buyer and sells it independently, he should be rewarded for doing the work himself.
Oh yeah, don't forget that bit, and this added on, and the other... No getting away from the fact that these results are a long way from "forum valuations" Remember that the seller only gets the hammer price less around 15-20% Remember that next time someone wants Β£25k for a print on here Regardless what the seller ends up with. Why are people so quick to dismiss all these fee as not being apart of the value of the print. These are real costs paid by the buyer to acquire the print. If there were no fees, taxes, ARR, etc... the hammer price would ultimately be higher. The seller is paying the auction house for a service (Selling a print can be a pain in the ass). If the seller wants to find a buyer and sells it independently, he should be rewarded for doing the work himself. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Jun 27, 2017 18:36:12 GMT 1, Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale.
Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 18:49:51 GMT 1, Ouch to the sellers,
woohooo to the buyers
They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department
they are quickly becoming the poor boy
i would be seriously pissed as a seller
Ouch to the sellers,
woohooo to the buyers
They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department
they are quickly becoming the poor boy
i would be seriously pissed as a seller
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Pattycakes
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Jun 27, 2017 19:02:28 GMT 1, @bren you're absolutely right
@bren you're absolutely right
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lobster on Jun 27, 2017 20:21:49 GMT 1, Hmmm ... Or another theory is of course that Banksy prices are indeed " softening " to some degree and the recent price rises weren't sustainable ??
The two recent prints in the Philips sale didn't exactly " set the world alight " or did they forget to send " serious dealers " catalogues as well ??!!?!
Hmmm ... Or another theory is of course that Banksy prices are indeed " softening " to some degree and the recent price rises weren't sustainable ??
The two recent prints in the Philips sale didn't exactly " set the world alight " or did they forget to send " serious dealers " catalogues as well ??!!?!
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Pattycakes
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Jun 27, 2017 20:35:44 GMT 1, No Phillips are always on point when it comes to sending out catalogues, that said I felt their recent sale was a little lacklustre to be honest, compared to the barnstormer they had in January.
Bonham's have I think been massively cutting costs and usually first to go are the catalogues, which is bloody stupid when they are possibly the most useful marketing tool an auction house has.
No Phillips are always on point when it comes to sending out catalogues, that said I felt their recent sale was a little lacklustre to be honest, compared to the barnstormer they had in January.
Bonham's have I think been massively cutting costs and usually first to go are the catalogues, which is bloody stupid when they are possibly the most useful marketing tool an auction house has.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Eton Groover on Jun 27, 2017 20:59:27 GMT 1, Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale.
Really? Poor excuse for soft results.
I wouldn't consider myself to be a serious buyer but it doesn't take a lot to sign up to Bonhams mailing list, checking sources for when auctions are on, etc.
Serious dealers really shouldn't need Bonhams to tell them there's a sale coming up. It's their business to know!
Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale. Really? Poor excuse for soft results. I wouldn't consider myself to be a serious buyer but it doesn't take a lot to sign up to Bonhams mailing list, checking sources for when auctions are on, etc. Serious dealers really shouldn't need Bonhams to tell them there's a sale coming up. It's their business to know! |
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rosac
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by rosac on Jun 27, 2017 21:36:00 GMT 1, I don't know how to add pics but you can see it on the catalog 
This is what 65k gets you. worst condition GWRB ive ever seen
I don't know how to add pics but you can see it on the catalog This is what 65k gets you. worst condition GWRB ive ever seen |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 21:40:50 GMT 1, I wouldn't even pay 20k for that ..... and that's in Thai baht !! Someone's had a shocker there....
I wouldn't even pay 20k for that ..... and that's in Thai baht !! Someone's had a shocker there....
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Unica
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Unica on Jun 27, 2017 21:49:12 GMT 1, I don't know how to add pics but you can see it on the catalog This is what 65k gets you. worst condition GWRB ive ever seen
I don't know how to add pics but you can see it on the catalog This is what 65k gets you. worst condition GWRB ive ever seen Can an art restorer fix that up? |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Hubble Bubble on Jun 27, 2017 21:52:28 GMT 1, Can't fix the UV damage.
The ripples don't look right (curved) and appear on the backing board so I don't think they're on the print. Probably a photo resolution issue.
Can't fix the UV damage.
The ripples don't look right (curved) and appear on the backing board so I don't think they're on the print. Probably a photo resolution issue.
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rosac
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by rosac on Jun 27, 2017 21:56:25 GMT 1, Can't fix the UV damage. The ripples don't look right (curved) and appear on the backing board so I don't think they're on the print. Probably a photo resolution issue.
Agreed re resolution but print is wavey nether the less. Uv damage is horrid.
Can't fix the UV damage. The ripples don't look right (curved) and appear on the backing board so I don't think they're on the print. Probably a photo resolution issue. Agreed re resolution but print is wavey nether the less. Uv damage is horrid. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Hubble Bubble on Jun 27, 2017 22:04:17 GMT 1, Can't fix the UV damage. The ripples don't look right (curved) and appear on the backing board so I don't think they're on the print. Probably a photo resolution issue. Agreed re resolution but print is wavey nether the less. Uv damage is horrid.
Wavy wouldn't worry me so much. If I'd been locked behind that mount for 13 years, I think I'd be a bit wavy on release.
Can't fix the UV damage. The ripples don't look right (curved) and appear on the backing board so I don't think they're on the print. Probably a photo resolution issue. Agreed re resolution but print is wavey nether the less. Uv damage is horrid. Wavy wouldn't worry me so much. If I'd been locked behind that mount for 13 years, I think I'd be a bit wavy on release. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 22:09:07 GMT 1, That two tone is awesome.... anyone know the number out of 150 ? #stayclearofthatprint
That two tone is awesome.... anyone know the number out of 150 ? #stayclearofthatprint
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Pattycakes
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Pattycakes on Jun 27, 2017 22:11:32 GMT 1, @etongroover you're right they do know or at least should, but it's bloody stupid to take people off of a mailing list who are buyers at the top level, all to save a few quid.
@etongroover you're right they do know or at least should, but it's bloody stupid to take people off of a mailing list who are buyers at the top level, all to save a few quid.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by mla on Jun 27, 2017 22:18:34 GMT 1, Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale. Really? Poor excuse for soft results. I wouldn't consider myself to be a serious buyer but it doesn't take a lot to sign up to Bonhams mailing list, checking sources for when auctions are on, etc. Serious dealers really shouldn't need Bonhams to tell them there's a sale coming up. It's their business to know!
Anyone serious about art, especially dealers, are well aware of upcoming sales from major auction houses. Hell, even as a relative peasant, I see Banksy lots in various auctions from lower tier houses that don't even get discussed here.
Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale. Really? Poor excuse for soft results. I wouldn't consider myself to be a serious buyer but it doesn't take a lot to sign up to Bonhams mailing list, checking sources for when auctions are on, etc. Serious dealers really shouldn't need Bonhams to tell them there's a sale coming up. It's their business to know! I was thinking the same thing. Anyone serious about art, especially dealers, are well aware of upcoming sales from major auction houses. Hell, even as a relative peasant, I see Banksy lots in various auctions from lower tier houses that don't even get discussed here. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by jluhiex on Jun 27, 2017 22:36:21 GMT 1, Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale.
Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale. Bonhams is really where to find deals as a buyer but never as a seller. I've purchased through Bonhams Los Angeles office and they were about 20-30% lower than other major auction houses. In fact I was following 2 auctions at the same exact time (Phillips Prints and Editions & Bonhams Prints and Multiples 4/28/17) where the exact same print sold for 25% less at Bonhams. |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Shoot Again on Jun 28, 2017 8:21:00 GMT 1, This is what 65k gets you. worst condition GWRB ive ever seen Can an art restorer fix that up?
Bonhams told me the answer to that question was "no"
This is what 65k gets you. worst condition GWRB ive ever seen Can an art restorer fix that up? Bonhams told me the answer to that question was "no" |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Shoot Again on Jun 28, 2017 8:21:56 GMT 1, That two tone is awesome.... anyone know the number out of 150 ? #stayclearofthatprint
That two tone is awesome.... anyone know the number out of 150 ? #stayclearofthatprint #22 |
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Shoot Again
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Shoot Again on Jun 28, 2017 8:23:26 GMT 1, Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale. Bonhams is really where to find deals as a buyer but never as a seller. I've purchased through Bonhams Los Angeles office and they were about 20-30% lower than other major auction houses. In fact I was following 2 auctions at the same exact time (Phillips Prints and Editions & Bonhams Prints and Multiples 4/28/17) where the exact same print sold for 25% less at Bonhams.
Really very disappointing results but then Bonham's print sale really isn't the place to put up post-war or Banksy prints anyway so I'm not exactly surprised. They did 0 marketing for the sale, and I know of a number of very serious dealers who didn't even receive a catalogue for the sale. Bonhams is really where to find deals as a buyer but never as a seller. I've purchased through Bonhams Los Angeles office and they were about 20-30% lower than other major auction houses. In fact I was following 2 auctions at the same exact time (Phillips Prints and Editions & Bonhams Prints and Multiples 4/28/17) where the exact same print sold for 25% less at Bonhams. Agree, great place to hunt for bargains. That's where I bought my MINT (colour) Gangsta Rat (edition of 1) for a fraction of what I was expecting to pay ;-) |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Shoot Again on Jun 28, 2017 8:25:26 GMT 1, Ouch to the sellers, woohooo to the buyers They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department they are quickly becoming the poor boy i would be seriously pissed as a seller
Ouch to the sellers, woohooo to the buyers They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department they are quickly becoming the poor boy i would be seriously pissed as a seller That's debatable as the seller of that GWB must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here ! |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 8:52:51 GMT 1, Ouch to the sellers, woohooo to the buyers They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department they are quickly becoming the poor boy i would be seriously pissed as a seller That's debatable as the seller of that Girl With Balloon must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here !
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Bonhams is a good place to get rid of damaged prints as you'll get above market
Ouch to the sellers, woohooo to the buyers They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department they are quickly becoming the poor boy i would be seriously pissed as a seller That's debatable as the seller of that Girl With Balloon must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here ! Ok, so If as a seller you have good quality prints steer clear of Bonhams as you will get below market prices Though Bonhams is a good place to get rid of damaged prints as you'll get above market |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by rosac on Jun 28, 2017 9:13:28 GMT 1, Bonhams is a great place to sell art. providing its a write-off
Bonhams is a great place to sell art. providing its a write-off
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by barsukauk on Jun 28, 2017 9:32:06 GMT 1, Ouch to the sellers, woohooo to the buyers They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department they are quickly becoming the poor boy i would be seriously pissed as a seller That's debatable as the seller of that Girl With Balloon must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here !
Ouch to the sellers, woohooo to the buyers They really do need to sort this out before Bonhams close yet another department they are quickly becoming the poor boy i would be seriously pissed as a seller That's debatable as the seller of that Girl With Balloon must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here ! the same damage on a UN GWRB, was for sale in the forum and the peoples on the forum value it at 28k |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Shoot Again on Jun 28, 2017 9:33:57 GMT 1, That's debatable as the seller of that Girl With Balloon must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here ! the same damage on a UN GWRB, was for sale in the forum and the peoples on the forum value it at 28k
That's debatable as the seller of that Girl With Balloon must be well happy to have achieved Β£52K for a "turkey" thanks to Bonhams ! Considering its condition (which I confirmed here after having inspected it myself) I honestly think it wouldn't have fetched Β£20K if offered here ! the same damage on a UN GWRB, was for sale in the forum and the peoples on the forum value it at 28k I didn't ... but I hear you, crazy ;-) |
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by mla on Jun 29, 2017 16:32:53 GMT 1, Didn't see a thread for this. Currently in progress.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24226/
Banksy canvases at lots 20, 22 and 23
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by dotdot on Jun 29, 2017 17:01:47 GMT 1, ...240... ! #1 ..
...240... ! #1 ..
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mla
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by mla on Jun 29, 2017 17:02:02 GMT 1, Lot 20
BANKSY
(British, born 1975)
Laugh Now But One Day We'll Be In Charge
2000
Sold for Β£240,000 [hammer price]
Lot 20
BANKSY
(British, born 1975)
Laugh Now But One Day We'll Be In Charge
2000
Sold for Β£240,000 [hammer price]
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