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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by kfroms on Dec 18, 2017 17:07:08 GMT 1, I really love those Cyril Power prints ( and most others from the Grosvenor School ) One day....
I really love those Cyril Power prints ( and most others from the Grosvenor School ) One day....
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by elevenspots on Dec 18, 2017 17:13:27 GMT 1,
Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17
Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices.
SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k
Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ?
DISCUSS
Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17
Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices.
SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k
Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ?
DISCUSS
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Monkey Say Monkey Do on Dec 18, 2017 17:17:14 GMT 1, JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000
all signed
if anyone is interested ......
JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000
all signed
if anyone is interested ......
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by alvington89 on Dec 18, 2017 17:17:52 GMT 1, Wow! Some of that stuff went much cheaper than I expected. Morons & Stop & Search in particular.
Wow! Some of that stuff went much cheaper than I expected. Morons & Stop & Search in particular.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Monkey Say Monkey Do on Dec 18, 2017 17:18:38 GMT 1, sorry you beat me to it
my computer crashed on pulp
sorry you beat me to it my computer crashed on pulp
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by cyberkid on Dec 18, 2017 17:19:13 GMT 1, some prints are ap's
some prints are ap's
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 17:22:24 GMT 1, Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17 Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices. SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ? DISCUSS
Bonhams are shit (unless your a buyer)
The end of discussion
Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17 Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices. SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ? DISCUSS Bonhams are shit (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by samo on Dec 18, 2017 17:23:40 GMT 1, Wow! Some of that stuff went much cheaper than I expected. Morons & Stop & Search in particular. Indeed if you compare the result of the Morons Sepia last week at Forums Auctions (ยฃ27,400) with the one that just sold at Bonhams for ยฃ16,250.
Wow! Some of that stuff went much cheaper than I expected. Morons & Stop & Search in particular. Indeed if you compare the result of the Morons Sepia last week at Forums Auctions (ยฃ27,400) with the one that just sold at Bonhams for ยฃ16,250.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Harveyn on Dec 18, 2017 17:24:56 GMT 1, Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17 Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices. SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ? DISCUSS Bonhams ares**t (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion By the time you add all fees and considering its the 18th Dec I would say these are fairly strong results. But agreed Bren not a place to sell Banksys.
Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17 Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices. SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ? DISCUSS Bonhams ares**t (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion By the time you add all fees and considering its the 18th Dec I would say these are fairly strong results. But agreed Bren not a place to sell Banksys.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pipes on Dec 18, 2017 17:27:58 GMT 1, Nola AP at forum auction went for 90 I think and this one went for 87 - so pretty similar (if its 60 + 15 + 12)
Nola AP at forum auction went for 90 I think and this one went for 87 - so pretty similar (if its 60 + 15 + 12)
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Eton Groover on Dec 18, 2017 17:29:40 GMT 1, JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000 all signed if anyone is interested ...... And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300
bomb hug 18800
rat 18800 Grim 14400
soup 12600
morons 11700
s&s 20700
nola blue/green 54000
nbg 25200
Those are at 10% so the best case scenario. It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas.
JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000 all signed if anyone is interested ...... And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario. It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Dec 18, 2017 17:45:23 GMT 1, Your statements show quite a lack of knowledge about the seasonality of the art market and pricing in general.
JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000 all signed if anyone is interested ...... And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario.ย It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas.
Your statements show quite a lack of knowledge about the seasonality of the art market and pricing in general. JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000 all signed if anyone is interested ...... And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario.ย It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Eton Groover on Dec 18, 2017 18:00:36 GMT 1, Oh right! Iโm the stupid one. Thanks for that. I was beginning to worry it might be other people.
Oh right! Iโm the stupid one. Thanks for that. I was beginning to worry it might be other people.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by nik2000 on Dec 18, 2017 18:42:53 GMT 1, not a fan of the low estimates, can understand them being a little bit off - but some were just ridiculous. I remember j&j being estimated at half of what it went for.
not a fan of the low estimates, can understand them being a little bit off - but some were just ridiculous. I remember j&j being estimated at half of what it went for.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Pattycakes on Dec 18, 2017 20:30:52 GMT 1, Yup relatively poor results all in all. Feel sorry for the vendors, duped by low estimates with the promise of it'll do well if they are entered at give away prices.
I was tempted by one of the electric chairs but having bought something last week I had to think sensibly for once.
And who in their right mind holds an auction the week before Christmas that's just mad!
Yup relatively poor results all in all. Feel sorry for the vendors, duped by low estimates with the promise of it'll do well if they are entered at give away prices.
I was tempted by one of the electric chairs but having bought something last week I had to think sensibly for once.
And who in their right mind holds an auction the week before Christmas that's just mad!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Winter on Dec 20, 2017 8:18:21 GMT 1, I wouldnโt currently consider Bonhams for selling prints.
I wouldnโt currently consider Bonhams for selling prints.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Boyle44 on Dec 20, 2017 13:40:47 GMT 1, Am I missing something as on Bonhams website it says ยฃ35k all in for the No Ball Games ?
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24261/lot/136/
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by seba on Dec 20, 2017 13:53:49 GMT 1, That should be the price incl Buyerspremium but excl. VAT
That should be the price incl Buyerspremium but excl. VAT
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by seba on Dec 20, 2017 14:11:31 GMT 1, JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000 all signed if anyone is interested ...... And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario. It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas. Your calculation on "bomb hugger" and "love rat" is wrong though and I personally don't think that you can take the price the seller gets from an auction as a reference for a private sale, which normally means much more hassle and risk for the seller. I also think that these results are quite low.
JJ 17000 pulp bomb hug 22000 rat 22000 grim 16000 soup 14000 morons 13000 s&s 23000 nola blue/green 60000 nbg 28000 all signed if anyone is interested ...... And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario. It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas. Your calculation on "bomb hugger" and "love rat" is wrong though and I personally don't think that you can take the price the seller gets from an auction as a reference for a private sale, which normally means much more hassle and risk for the seller. I also think that these results are quite low.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by sharky on Dec 20, 2017 16:31:02 GMT 1, And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario. It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas. Your calculation on "bomb hugger" and "love rat" is wrong though and I personally don't think that you can take the price the seller gets from an auction as a reference for a private sale, which normally means much more hassle and risk for the seller. I also think that these results are quite low. Like it or not, results are results and they set the starting point for any future negotiation IMHO
And the seller gets those prices less 10-15% so if you are a seller then: JJ 15300 bomb hug 18800 rat 18800 Grim 14400 soup 12600 morons 11700 s&s 20700 nola blue/green 54000 nbg 25200 Those are at 10% so the best case scenario. It certainly puts some of the asking prices on here into perspective!! And timing...I don't think people dropping thousands at auctions are too worried about the implications of Christmas. Your calculation on "bomb hugger" and "love rat" is wrong though and I personally don't think that you can take the price the seller gets from an auction as a reference for a private sale, which normally means much more hassle and risk for the seller. I also think that these results are quite low. Like it or not, results are results and they set the starting point for any future negotiation IMHO
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by moron on Dec 20, 2017 17:41:14 GMT 1, The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things.
The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things.
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samo
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by samo on Dec 20, 2017 17:57:50 GMT 1, Yes, they are probably all investing in cryptocurrencies now...
Yes, they are probably all investing in cryptocurrencies now...
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 18:00:56 GMT 1, The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things.
LOL, you could be right
Next year will be the year of...........?
But Its Christmas, its historical.......
..........and its Bonhams
The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things. LOL, you could be right Next year will be the year of...........? But Its Christmas, its historical....... ..........and its Bonhams
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 18:02:21 GMT 1, Your calculation on "bomb hugger" and "love rat" is wrong though and I personally don't think that you can take the price the seller gets from an auction as a reference for a private sale, which normally means much more hassle and risk for the seller. I also think that these results are quite low. Like it or not, results are results and they set the starting point for any future negotiation IMHO
Its mad how the market can be manipulated so easily
So if they had sold for double would that have been the start point for negotiations?
Your calculation on "bomb hugger" and "love rat" is wrong though and I personally don't think that you can take the price the seller gets from an auction as a reference for a private sale, which normally means much more hassle and risk for the seller. I also think that these results are quite low. Like it or not, results are results and they set the starting point for any future negotiation IMHO Its mad how the market can be manipulated so easily So if they had sold for double would that have been the start point for negotiations?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by erik on Dec 20, 2017 18:06:37 GMT 1, The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things. The market for originals has been very strong lately, suggesting that serious collectors think otherwise.
The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things. The market for originals has been very strong lately, suggesting that serious collectors think otherwise.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by moron on Dec 20, 2017 18:13:57 GMT 1, Like it or not, results are results and they set the starting point for any future negotiation IMHO Its mad how the market can be manipulated so easily So if they had sold for double would that have been the start point for negotiations? It's easy to manipulate the market. Look at the Chinese modern art bubble a few years ago. I think another reason for the not optimal sales results is art Miami on recently which would have an effect on buyers deciding to buy something from there as an investment by someone affordable in the same price range as Banksy prints plus other sales in NY etc plus buyers don't have to visit and physically bid, even though i'm sure many find it more enjoyable than leaving bids online.
I think it's quite an enigma that hardcore Banksy fans appear to be the major buyers of his prints (well at least on this board) whereas in general art investors who look at markets tend to know very little about the actual artist.
I don't know if the unravellings step by step are making many buyers conclude that Banksy is not one person but could be something else entirely which could put some off investing at the moment.
The mega high prices that Banksy street art has been sold for as promoted by Sincura and other dealers could also be nothing more than flim flam and the pieces unsold or not actually sold for the high prices in reality.
It all looks good though from where i'm sitting. I buy high and sell low, i'll get the hang of this investing thing one day.
Like it or not, results are results and they set the starting point for any future negotiation IMHO Its mad how the market can be manipulated so easily So if they had sold for double would that have been the start point for negotiations? It's easy to manipulate the market. Look at the Chinese modern art bubble a few years ago. I think another reason for the not optimal sales results is art Miami on recently which would have an effect on buyers deciding to buy something from there as an investment by someone affordable in the same price range as Banksy prints plus other sales in NY etc plus buyers don't have to visit and physically bid, even though i'm sure many find it more enjoyable than leaving bids online. I think it's quite an enigma that hardcore Banksy fans appear to be the major buyers of his prints (well at least on this board) whereas in general art investors who look at markets tend to know very little about the actual artist. I don't know if the unravellings step by step are making many buyers conclude that Banksy is not one person but could be something else entirely which could put some off investing at the moment. The mega high prices that Banksy street art has been sold for as promoted by Sincura and other dealers could also be nothing more than flim flam and the pieces unsold or not actually sold for the high prices in reality. It all looks good though from where i'm sitting. I buy high and sell low, i'll get the hang of this investing thing one day.
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by artmonster on Dec 20, 2017 18:20:08 GMT 1, Yup relatively poor results all in all. Feel sorry for the vendors, duped by low estimates with the promise of it'll do well if they are entered at give away prices. I was tempted by one of the electric chairs but having bought something last week I had to think sensibly for once. And who in their right mind holds an auction the week before Christmas that's just mad!
Christmas pressie? I keep trying to convince the other half I AM worth it!!
Yup relatively poor results all in all. Feel sorry for the vendors, duped by low estimates with the promise of it'll do well if they are entered at give away prices. I was tempted by one of the electric chairs but having bought something last week I had to think sensibly for once. And who in their right mind holds an auction the week before Christmas that's just mad! Christmas pressie? I keep trying to convince the other half I AM worth it!!
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by sanssouci on Dec 20, 2017 18:29:58 GMT 1, Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17 Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices. SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ? DISCUSS Bonhams ares**t (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion
Not even as a buyer, as I learned 2 weeks ago ...
Bonhams prints and multiples. London 18/12/17 Banksy Final sale prices. Banksy Final sale prices. SS 23k Moron 13k Soup can 14k Grin reaper 16k Love rat 22k Pulp fiction 28k Jack Jill 17k Bomb love 22k Laugh now 24k Golf sale 12k Nola blue and green 60k No ball games grey 28k Please add 25% fees and 20% vat onto fees. Artist rights also add @ ? DISCUSS Bonhams ares**t (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion Not even as a buyer, as I learned 2 weeks ago ...
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by brookvale on Dec 20, 2017 19:20:19 GMT 1, Bonhams ares**t (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion Not even as a buyer, as I learned 2 weeks ago ...
What happened?
Bonhams ares**t (unless your a buyer) The end of discussion Not even as a buyer, as I learned 2 weeks ago ... What happened?
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Bonhams โข Art Auctions โข London ๐ฌ๐ง, by Poster Bob on Dec 20, 2017 20:46:14 GMT 1, I never cease to be amazed at the moronic posts on this forum by people who don't understand the importance of firstly, the seasonality, and secondly, the auction house as you've corrcetly addressed. People just like to talk nonsense. Next thing you know, they'll say the auction result for a dry-mounted, foxed print is the new precedent; 50% lower than a result from just the week prior and that "prices are softening!"
The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things. LOL, you could be right Next year will be the year of...........? But Its Christmas, its historical....... ย ..........and its Bonhams
I never cease to be amazed at the moronic posts on this forum by people who don't understand the importance of firstly, the seasonality, and secondly, the auction house as you've corrcetly addressed. People just like to talk nonsense. Next thing you know, they'll say the auction result for a dry-mounted, foxed print is the new precedent; 50% lower than a result from just the week prior and that "prices are softening!" The markets dwindling. Buyers investors and interior decorators are moving on to other things. LOL, you could be right Next year will be the year of...........? But Its Christmas, its historical....... ย ..........and its Bonhams
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