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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 10:03:55 GMT 1, Not surprised few forumites owners are already exploring the idea of flipping it, I certainly wouldn't want to display this in my house ! My best guess is that 75% of people who bought this did so primarly with the idea of cashing in quickly. Whether there's depth in Banksy market to buy ~20 of them for twice what it was initially sold for remains to be proven... Good luck
Not surprised few forumites owners are already exploring the idea of flipping it, I certainly wouldn't want to display this in my house ! My best guess is that 75% of people who bought this did so primarly with the idea of cashing in quickly. Whether there's depth in Banksy market to buy ~20 of them for twice what it was initially sold for remains to be proven... Good luck
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 21, 2019 10:29:23 GMT 1, Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish
Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 10:32:14 GMT 1, Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that.
Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that. Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-) |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 21, 2019 10:34:24 GMT 1, While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that. Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-)
It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's
While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that. Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-) Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 10:36:13 GMT 1, Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-) Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀
Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-) Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 I was just interested in the reasonning as to how you priced it |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 21, 2019 10:40:59 GMT 1, Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 I was just interested in the reasonning as to how you priced it
Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 I was just interested in the reasonning as to how you priced it Yeah man for sure, was just reconfirming my Lenin logic. For my mates that scored this I hope it flys.... being selfish I hope not and I somehow flog all my collection to .buy one lol |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 10:43:47 GMT 1, I was just interested in the reasonning as to how you priced it Yeah man for sure, was just reconfirming my Lenin logic. For my mates that scored this I hope it flys.... being selfish I hope not and I somehow flog all my collection to .buy one lol
I was just interested in the reasonning as to how you priced it Yeah man for sure, was just reconfirming my Lenin logic. For my mates that scored this I hope it flys.... being selfish I hope not and I somehow flog all my collection to .buy one lol Surely your entire collection is much better than that piece which does absolutely nothing for me ;-) |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by eschiff on Feb 21, 2019 10:45:38 GMT 1, Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-) Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's
We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong 
If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth.
Why double ? Why not half or triple ? ;-) Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 10:49:54 GMT 1, Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth.
Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. That's one which won't come back on the market before another 25 years. Good to hear that |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 21, 2019 10:52:55 GMT 1,
Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth.
99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention.
What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ?
Well my point is Lenin is a atrosity of a piece and sells well, so I guessed double. You're more than welcome to say cost price or triple though lol 😀 It seems 99% of these were purchased to flip, so I doubt there will be a shortage over the next 12 month's We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. 99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ? |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 21, 2019 10:53:51 GMT 1, Yeah man for sure, was just reconfirming my Lenin logic. For my mates that scored this I hope it flys.... being selfish I hope not and I somehow flog all my collection to .buy one lol Surely your entire collection is much better than that piece which does absolutely nothing for me ;-)
Yeah man for sure, was just reconfirming my Lenin logic. For my mates that scored this I hope it flys.... being selfish I hope not and I somehow flog all my collection to .buy one lol Surely your entire collection is much better than that piece which does absolutely nothing for me ;-) I absolutely love it, had the cash ready incase I 'won' one direct. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 10:58:24 GMT 1, Surely your entire collection is much better than that piece which does absolutely nothing for me ;-) I absolutely love it, had the cash ready incase I 'won' one direct.
Surely your entire collection is much better than that piece which does absolutely nothing for me ;-) I absolutely love it, had the cash ready incase I 'won' one direct. Try your luck on that one then as, from my own very small experience, Bonhams is by a mile the best place to get a bargain from when it comes to Banksy artworks... Good luck |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 21, 2019 11:00:52 GMT 1, We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. 99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ?
We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. 99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ? Another way to put it is that many people who ended up buying it did so because they felt it was a lifetime luck to be offered to actually do so rather than because they were madly in love with it (as carl Cashman & eschiff genuinely are)... I know of a few who did so for that exact reason... |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by eschiff on Feb 21, 2019 11:15:22 GMT 1, We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. 99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ?
We've seen one come up for sale since they were sold from the hotel, one other guy on this thread got his appraised. Not sure that's quite up to 99% but my maths could be wrong If anyone did actually buy these just to flip (and clearly whomever listed in the auction did) they'd be smart to hold on as long as possible. These are some of the strongest pieces he's released to market in the last decade. Of course, it depends on your taste, some people like having a little girl watching a balloon fly away on their wall, some of us prefer a bit more depth. 99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ? No I agree, getting appraisal probably indicates they were looking to sell it as well. Again, if someone did buy to sell a year later, nothing wrong with that but I think that a) like with any Banksy piece, the longer you hold onto it the more prices could increase and b) if you're flipping it at the first possible post I'm guessing you won't be getting many more emails from PC about winning any lotteries. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Feb 21, 2019 11:16:56 GMT 1, Him, by Mauricio Cattelan, is a sculpture of a kneeling Hitler. It sold for 17 million dollars. It’s not something most people would want in their home.
Him, by Mauricio Cattelan, is a sculpture of a kneeling Hitler. It sold for 17 million dollars. It’s not something most people would want in their home.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Graham H on Feb 21, 2019 12:03:36 GMT 1, Art values have never all really been about the image on the piece though have they?
Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that.
Art values have never all really been about the image on the piece though have they? Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish While editions of Lenin on roller blades are 100k.... this will/should be double that. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by diarmid on Feb 21, 2019 12:18:47 GMT 1, The original price was around 60K right?
The original price was around 60K right? £48k inc vat gbp |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 12:46:45 GMT 1, 99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ? No I agree, getting appraisal probably indicates they were looking to sell it as well. Again, if someone did buy to sell a year later, nothing wrong with that but I think that a) like with any Banksy piece, the longer you hold onto it the more prices could increase and b) if you're flipping it at the first possible post I'm guessing you won't be getting many more emails from PC about winning any lotteries.
In a perverse way i hope it flops, would be a shame to see loads of these hit the market
99% May have been slightly over egging it 🤣, but I sure most were purchased with that intention. What's the point in appraisal if you just got a COA ? No I agree, getting appraisal probably indicates they were looking to sell it as well. Again, if someone did buy to sell a year later, nothing wrong with that but I think that a) like with any Banksy piece, the longer you hold onto it the more prices could increase and b) if you're flipping it at the first possible post I'm guessing you won't be getting many more emails from PC about winning any lotteries. In a perverse way i hope it flops, would be a shame to see loads of these hit the market |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by hnkpnk on Feb 21, 2019 14:00:19 GMT 1, So an editioned Canvas, ie, Girl With Balloon edition of 25 spray painted by hand is not an original, i think many would disagree . Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. It’s hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. ...
So an editioned Canvas, ie, Girl With Balloon edition of 25 spray painted by hand is not an original, i think many would disagree . Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. It’s hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. ... So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print? |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 21, 2019 14:34:38 GMT 1, Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. It’s hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. ... So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print?
Many would be wrong. Well, you know what I mean. It’s hardly original if there are more than one, whatever the semantics. ... So, is an "original" a one-of-a-kind or is it an artwork handmade by the artist as opposed to a print? Semantics and context.. I'd go with sculptural edition. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Wearology on Feb 21, 2019 14:51:14 GMT 1, I have seen some galleries say "Editioned Original" which means thats its an original image but the image has been used in the same medium more than once. When I buy or sell art I always ask or put is it an edition 1/1 Unique if it is truly an original.
I have seen some galleries say "Editioned Original" which means thats its an original image but the image has been used in the same medium more than once. When I buy or sell art I always ask or put is it an edition 1/1 Unique if it is truly an original.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Coach on Feb 21, 2019 16:00:56 GMT 1, I have seen some galleries say "Editioned Original" which means thats its an original image but the image has been used in the same medium more than once. When I buy or sell art I always ask or put is it an edition 1/1 Unique if it is truly an original.
Agreed. I take original to mean hand painted, as appose to printed.
An original can then be part of an edition of originals, or unique. If the former, it should really be numbered.
I have seen some galleries say "Editioned Original" which means thats its an original image but the image has been used in the same medium more than once. When I buy or sell art I always ask or put is it an edition 1/1 Unique if it is truly an original. Agreed. I take original to mean hand painted, as appose to printed. An original can then be part of an edition of originals, or unique. If the former, it should really be numbered. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by lorraballs on Feb 21, 2019 16:12:11 GMT 1, This will not flop. People keep saying it is not typical Banksy, and in a lot of ways it isn't, which in turn could actually help it, as it is so different. However, I would argue that in a lot of ways it is typical Banksy, as it was made to commentate on, and highlight the troubles and situation in the area, which Banksy does well (that could also hinder it, as many people will take the other side's view) The Grappling Hook is different in all aspects to a print like CWSB's. Firstly, it is quite a large sculpture, with a massive rope. You could easily see this hanging in a museum or institution somewhere - it really would command it own space somewhere like that - I would argue that a print would not have the same impact. Secondly, this will attract a completely different buyer to the usual crowd (although many traditional Banksy fans will also want it, if it goes cheap enough). The fact it is controversial in it appearance and meaning may also only enhance it's desirability (loads laughed at, and hated Tracey Emin's Bed or the toilet by Duchamp, but they are highly coveted in the art world). The fact that nothing significant has been released by Banksy for years will make it wanted also......... and then there is a little added bonus of the box! The typical householder will probably not bid as it is not easy to display in the normal home, or pretty for that matter. However, the people who can afford to buy this will not be the usual householder........ I wouldn't be surprised if an art investment company buys this, or an art institution......... The tricky thing is the fact it is first to come to auction. Will people try to get in first hoping the price will be lower, or will they hang on until the next one! One thing is for sure, there will be a few available this year..............
This will not flop. People keep saying it is not typical Banksy, and in a lot of ways it isn't, which in turn could actually help it, as it is so different. However, I would argue that in a lot of ways it is typical Banksy, as it was made to commentate on, and highlight the troubles and situation in the area, which Banksy does well (that could also hinder it, as many people will take the other side's view) The Grappling Hook is different in all aspects to a print like CWSB's. Firstly, it is quite a large sculpture, with a massive rope. You could easily see this hanging in a museum or institution somewhere - it really would command it own space somewhere like that - I would argue that a print would not have the same impact. Secondly, this will attract a completely different buyer to the usual crowd (although many traditional Banksy fans will also want it, if it goes cheap enough). The fact it is controversial in it appearance and meaning may also only enhance it's desirability (loads laughed at, and hated Tracey Emin's Bed or the toilet by Duchamp, but they are highly coveted in the art world). The fact that nothing significant has been released by Banksy for years will make it wanted also......... and then there is a little added bonus of the box! The typical householder will probably not bid as it is not easy to display in the normal home, or pretty for that matter. However, the people who can afford to buy this will not be the usual householder........ I wouldn't be surprised if an art investment company buys this, or an art institution......... The tricky thing is the fact it is first to come to auction. Will people try to get in first hoping the price will be lower, or will they hang on until the next one! One thing is for sure, there will be a few available this year.............. I find the inevitable comparison of ‘difficult’ art to Fountain tiresome in the extreme, particularly when it is referred to as ‘toilet’. That very nomenclature demonstrates a poor grasp of art history and invalidates any further argument you might posit. Fountain changed everything. This will not. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Gunny on Feb 21, 2019 21:25:46 GMT 1, This will not flop. People keep saying it is not typical Banksy, and in a lot of ways it isn't, which in turn could actually help it, as it is so different. However, I would argue that in a lot of ways it is typical Banksy, as it was made to commentate on, and highlight the troubles and situation in the area, which Banksy does well (that could also hinder it, as many people will take the other side's view) The Grappling Hook is different in all aspects to a print like CWSB's. Firstly, it is quite a large sculpture, with a massive rope. You could easily see this hanging in a museum or institution somewhere - it really would command it own space somewhere like that - I would argue that a print would not have the same impact. Secondly, this will attract a completely different buyer to the usual crowd (although many traditional Banksy fans will also want it, if it goes cheap enough). The fact it is controversial in it appearance and meaning may also only enhance it's desirability (loads laughed at, and hated Tracey Emin's Bed or the toilet by Duchamp, but they are highly coveted in the art world). The fact that nothing significant has been released by Banksy for years will make it wanted also......... and then there is a little added bonus of the box! The typical householder will probably not bid as it is not easy to display in the normal home, or pretty for that matter. However, the people who can afford to buy this will not be the usual householder........ I wouldn't be surprised if an art investment company buys this, or an art institution......... The tricky thing is the fact it is first to come to auction. Will people try to get in first hoping the price will be lower, or will they hang on until the next one! One thing is for sure, there will be a few available this year.............. I find the inevitable comparison of ‘difficult’ art to Fountain tiresome in the extreme, particularly when it is referred to as ‘toilet’. That very nomenclature demonstrates a poor grasp of art history and invalidates any further argument you might posit. Fountain changed everything. This will not.
This will not flop. People keep saying it is not typical Banksy, and in a lot of ways it isn't, which in turn could actually help it, as it is so different. However, I would argue that in a lot of ways it is typical Banksy, as it was made to commentate on, and highlight the troubles and situation in the area, which Banksy does well (that could also hinder it, as many people will take the other side's view) The Grappling Hook is different in all aspects to a print like CWSB's. Firstly, it is quite a large sculpture, with a massive rope. You could easily see this hanging in a museum or institution somewhere - it really would command it own space somewhere like that - I would argue that a print would not have the same impact. Secondly, this will attract a completely different buyer to the usual crowd (although many traditional Banksy fans will also want it, if it goes cheap enough). The fact it is controversial in it appearance and meaning may also only enhance it's desirability (loads laughed at, and hated Tracey Emin's Bed or the toilet by Duchamp, but they are highly coveted in the art world). The fact that nothing significant has been released by Banksy for years will make it wanted also......... and then there is a little added bonus of the box! The typical householder will probably not bid as it is not easy to display in the normal home, or pretty for that matter. However, the people who can afford to buy this will not be the usual householder........ I wouldn't be surprised if an art investment company buys this, or an art institution......... The tricky thing is the fact it is first to come to auction. Will people try to get in first hoping the price will be lower, or will they hang on until the next one! One thing is for sure, there will be a few available this year.............. I find the inevitable comparison of ‘difficult’ art to Fountain tiresome in the extreme, particularly when it is referred to as ‘toilet’. That very nomenclature demonstrates a poor grasp of art history and invalidates any further argument you might posit. Fountain changed everything. This will not. It was and is a toilet, in it's 'truest' form. R. Mutt, what a name! |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by apprint on Feb 21, 2019 21:28:53 GMT 1, This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price
This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Poster Bob on Feb 21, 2019 22:15:11 GMT 1, This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price
This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Johnny Sarcasm on Feb 21, 2019 23:46:00 GMT 1, This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant.
Or a proofreader.
This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant. Or a proofreader. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by sl1973 on Feb 22, 2019 3:33:20 GMT 1, Really insightful, thank you so much for a nice and helpful reply (free from the traditional UAA sarcasm!). Will be interesting to see what happens with this sale, as you say for a Banksy and auction houses this piece is unprecedented and in uncharted territory. My guess is on this occasion it will go very high as the post war / contemporary art team at Bonhams have done a very good job on the presentation and marketing. Who knows how Phillips got to a 6-8k estimate since I also told them what the retail cost was!? Haha Just saying though, when folk on here are wondering why someone is selling in a Bonhams sale rather than say a Phillips sale - that given does have some very cool art - there perhaps is your reason. Some mildly clueless specialists. Yeah, fair enough, thanks for letting us know, explains a lot. 6-8k, quite embarrassing, was this over the phone, or did they see it? Who was it at Phillips?
Phillips certainly have the cooler work though.
One of the craziest Banksy price shifts was the submerged phone booth that gained over 500kgbp in 6 years (2008/2014) I believe.
The first to sell at a time like this (post shredding / few major pieces sold since) makes for this to be an exciting auction it seems....
Really insightful, thank you so much for a nice and helpful reply (free from the traditional UAA sarcasm!). Will be interesting to see what happens with this sale, as you say for a Banksy and auction houses this piece is unprecedented and in uncharted territory. My guess is on this occasion it will go very high as the post war / contemporary art team at Bonhams have done a very good job on the presentation and marketing. Who knows how Phillips got to a 6-8k estimate since I also told them what the retail cost was!? Haha Just saying though, when folk on here are wondering why someone is selling in a Bonhams sale rather than say a Phillips sale - that given does have some very cool art - there perhaps is your reason. Some mildly clueless specialists. Yeah, fair enough, thanks for letting us know, explains a lot. 6-8k, quite embarrassing, was this over the phone, or did they see it? Who was it at Phillips? Sent them detailed pics by email. Don't want to throw any of the good folk at Phillips under the bus. It was just an oversight. They are obviously good at what they do although for originals, I believe Sotheby's and Bonham's often have the edge with prices. Phillips certainly have the cooler work though. One of the craziest Banksy price shifts was the submerged phone booth that gained over 500kgbp in 6 years (2008/2014) I believe. The first to sell at a time like this (post shredding / few major pieces sold since) makes for this to be an exciting auction it seems.... |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by sl1973 on Feb 22, 2019 3:34:59 GMT 1, Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant. Or a proofreader.
Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant. Or a proofreader. Just LOLLLLLL some of the comments on here are too funny. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Mirus Gallery on Feb 22, 2019 3:42:10 GMT 1, Here is a good read on the subject actually. I don't think these are bronzes but a good read nonetheless.
"Some individuals consider only the first bronze cast as the original and all other casts as reproductions. (For purposes of determining whether a work of art is an original and, therefore, eligible for duty-free import into the United States, US customs laws now recognize as “original” up to twelve castings, reproductions or replicas, in any medium and any scale, and whether made by the sculptor or by another artist, and regardless of whether the artist was alive at the time of their making.) No hierarchical value was placed upon the order of casting. Many argue that as long as a bronze or a print is made from the plaster, plate, or stone on which the artist worked, the resulting works are originals. By this definition of original we do not know whether a bronze or print was made in the artist’s lifetime. Posthumous castings taken from the artist’s plasters may be called originals by this definition. Whether bronze castings or prints, lifetime editions are preferred by scholars, collectors, curators, and critics. In both media, however, as seen in the work of Rodin and Goya, there are works that were never bronze cast or printed in the artist’s lifetime. For the most part, posthumous editions have achieved market and qualified critical acceptance. (Favorable judgment has not been unanimous, however.)
Although the term “original” may be important to the public and to some professionals, many artists and individuals who are knowledgeable about casting place little value or only relative importance on the term. The specific information about when, by whom, how many, and how well a cast was made, and whether or not it compares favorably with the artist’s best work is more important to sculptors and those in the position to acquire, advise on acquisition, or write about casting. One cannot say that all sculptors believe that plasters are more important in esthetic value than their bronzes."
www.collegeart.org/standards-and-guidelines/guidelines/sculpture
Here is a good read on the subject actually. I don't think these are bronzes but a good read nonetheless. "Some individuals consider only the first bronze cast as the original and all other casts as reproductions. (For purposes of determining whether a work of art is an original and, therefore, eligible for duty-free import into the United States, US customs laws now recognize as “original” up to twelve castings, reproductions or replicas, in any medium and any scale, and whether made by the sculptor or by another artist, and regardless of whether the artist was alive at the time of their making.) No hierarchical value was placed upon the order of casting. Many argue that as long as a bronze or a print is made from the plaster, plate, or stone on which the artist worked, the resulting works are originals. By this definition of original we do not know whether a bronze or print was made in the artist’s lifetime. Posthumous castings taken from the artist’s plasters may be called originals by this definition. Whether bronze castings or prints, lifetime editions are preferred by scholars, collectors, curators, and critics. In both media, however, as seen in the work of Rodin and Goya, there are works that were never bronze cast or printed in the artist’s lifetime. For the most part, posthumous editions have achieved market and qualified critical acceptance. (Favorable judgment has not been unanimous, however.) Although the term “original” may be important to the public and to some professionals, many artists and individuals who are knowledgeable about casting place little value or only relative importance on the term. The specific information about when, by whom, how many, and how well a cast was made, and whether or not it compares favorably with the artist’s best work is more important to sculptors and those in the position to acquire, advise on acquisition, or write about casting. One cannot say that all sculptors believe that plasters are more important in esthetic value than their bronzes." www.collegeart.org/standards-and-guidelines/guidelines/sculpture |
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