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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by diarmid on Feb 22, 2019 9:18:33 GMT 1, This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant. his already a art consultant.....lol
This is one of the worse Banksy editions, Not sure if will sale for the reserve price Don't quit your day job and become an art consultant. his already a art consultant.....lol
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 12:24:47 GMT 1, Yeah, fair enough, thanks for letting us know, explains a lot. 6-8k, quite embarrassing, was this over the phone, or did they see it? Who was it at Phillips? Sent them detailed pics by email. Don't want to throw any of the good folk at Phillips under the bus. It was just an oversight. They are obviously good at what they do although for originals, I believe Sotheby's and Bonham's often have the edge with prices. Phillips certainly have the cooler work though. One of the craziest Banksy price shifts was the submerged phone booth that gained over 500kgbp in 6 years (2008/2014) I believe. The first to sell at a time like this (post shredding / few major pieces sold since) makes for this to be an exciting auction it seems.... I think it's worth bearing in mind that estimates are...er...estimates. Just because Philips give an estimate of, say, 8K and Sothebys give an estimate of 50K that doesn't automatically mean Sothebys is the best place to sell it. On the day, it is perfectly possible that Philips would gain the same hammer price as if you sold it through Sothebys. Art sales are like roulette. You place your bets and you take your chance on the spin of the wheel.
Yeah, fair enough, thanks for letting us know, explains a lot. 6-8k, quite embarrassing, was this over the phone, or did they see it? Who was it at Phillips? Sent them detailed pics by email. Don't want to throw any of the good folk at Phillips under the bus. It was just an oversight. They are obviously good at what they do although for originals, I believe Sotheby's and Bonham's often have the edge with prices. Phillips certainly have the cooler work though. One of the craziest Banksy price shifts was the submerged phone booth that gained over 500kgbp in 6 years (2008/2014) I believe. The first to sell at a time like this (post shredding / few major pieces sold since) makes for this to be an exciting auction it seems.... I think it's worth bearing in mind that estimates are...er...estimates. Just because Philips give an estimate of, say, 8K and Sothebys give an estimate of 50K that doesn't automatically mean Sothebys is the best place to sell it. On the day, it is perfectly possible that Philips would gain the same hammer price as if you sold it through Sothebys. Art sales are like roulette. You place your bets and you take your chance on the spin of the wheel.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Unica on Feb 22, 2019 14:02:39 GMT 1, I'd prefer a Lenin on skates
I'd prefer a Lenin on skates
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:29:42 GMT 1, I'd prefer a Lenin on skates
What does it mean?
Why is Lenin on skates?
I'd prefer a Lenin on skates What does it mean? Why is Lenin on skates?
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Jalouse Rosemont on Feb 22, 2019 14:46:07 GMT 1, I'd prefer a Lenin on skates What does it mean? Why is Lenin on skates? Lenin has been embalmed since 1924. So he has been frozen in time.
I'd prefer a Lenin on skates What does it mean? Why is Lenin on skates? Lenin has been embalmed since 1924. So he has been frozen in time.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 22, 2019 15:32:01 GMT 1, I must let the wife know about this, its my birthday 4 days later Its Bonhams, You'll get it for about Β£50 lol. or someone who works at Bonhams will get it for fifty quid, alledgedly
I must let the wife know about this, its my birthday 4 days later Its Bonhams, You'll get it for about Β£50 lol. or someone who works at Bonhams will get it for fifty quid, alledgedly
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 22, 2019 15:38:19 GMT 1, There are some nice lots in this sale.
The Hans Hartung flag original looks good for the money, compared with prices asked for some of todays urban artists.
The Alex Katz, looks good too for the money for an original.
The Banksy crucifix could appeal to some and put others off.
Depending on how they interpret it's meaning. Christians forced to live behind a wall in a ghetto by jews could put some off and appeal to others.
There are some nice lots in this sale. The Hans Hartung flag original looks good for the money, compared with prices asked for some of todays urban artists. The Alex Katz, looks good too for the money for an original. The Banksy crucifix could appeal to some and put others off. Depending on how they interpret it's meaning. Christians forced to live behind a wall in a ghetto by jews could put some off and appeal to others.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Wearology on Feb 22, 2019 15:46:20 GMT 1, There is a recent movement to have 3rd Parties insure the item up for sale where certain individuals / entities make money even if the item hits or does not hit its reserve. Remember in the end "The HOUSE Always Wins". 50% of all lots up for auction are already sold before the auction begins. That's $1,000,000,000 worth of Pejac Envelopes that were pre sold before the commoners get a chance to play in the big sand box.
Auction house guarantees: friend or foe? Auction house and third party guarantees are a hot topic. At the 2015 Autumn sales in New York, Bloomberg reported that $1 billion - approximately half - of the $2 billion total value of lots were already sold before the "paddles are even raised". At the same time, Sotheby's confirmed that they had entered into an arrangement with the Estate of A. Alfred Taubman, its former chairman, to sell art from his collection, which was estimated to be worth in excess of $500 million. The arrangement provided that "Sothebyβs agreed to provide an auction guarantee for the collection at approximately that level". An auction house guarantee is an agreement by which the seller agrees to consign their work or collection to an auction house. The auction house agrees to guarantee to the seller that, whatever the outcome of the auction, the seller will receive a minimum sale price for the work or collection. How do they work in practice? The exact way in which a guarantee will operate will depend on the terms and conditions that have been negotiated between the auction house and the seller in advance of the sale. However, the usual potential outcomes of an auction house guarantee are as follows: The lot fails to sell at all: the auction house becomes the owner of the lot and pays the seller the full guarantee amount. The lot sells for less than the guarantee amount: the winning bidder becomes the owner of the lot, and the auction house pays the seller the hammer price plus the difference between the hammer price and the guarantee amount. The lot sells for more than the guarantee amount: the winning bidder becomes the owner of the lot and the auction house receives a proportion of the excess of the guarantee amount from the seller. Does the auction house take on all of this risk itself? In giving guarantees auction houses are taking a financial risk. This risk could be substantial, especially if the auction house is guaranteeing a number of high value works in the same period. In the autumn of 2008 Sotheby's reportedly lost $52 million in one season, all from guarantees. It has been reported that the Taubman guarantee resulted in a loss for Sotheby's and the auction house had to take possession of $33m of unsold artworks last year. Whilst auction houses can take on the entire risk themselves, they can also choose to share the risk with a third party and that is where matters become more complicated. Typically, this works by the third party agreeing, for a fee, to place an irrevocable written bid for an undisclosed amount on the lot before the auction (known as a third party guarantee). The amount of the bid can be up to or exceeding the guarantee amount. As a result, the third party guarantor takes on all or part of the risk of the lot not being sold. For example, if an auction house gave a minimum price guarantee to the seller of Β£100 million for an artwork, but a third party guarantor places an irrevocable written bid for, say, Β£80 million, the auction house's risk is reduced by that sum. Third party guarantors may then also participate in the auction themselves and choose to bid on the lot over and above their irrevocable written bid. Why do auction houses offer guarantees? There are three primary reasons: profits, certainty and securing works for auction. If a lot sells for more than the guarantee amount, this can provide a good source of profits for the auction house. The guarantee provides certainty that the item will "sell" and therefore commission will be received. If an auction house offers a seller a guarantee as an incentive, they may secure the consignment of works that would otherwise have gone to their rival. If you are a buyer, how do you know if an item is subject to a guarantee? Lots which are subject to a guarantee are marked in the catalogue with a symbol and the symbol key in the auction house's conditions of sale provides an explanation. The auctioneer may also disclose at the start of a sale that some works will be sold with guarantees. However, the amount of the guarantee is not disclosed. Seller advantages Certainty: One of the biggest risks at auction is that an item will fail to sell. This can have a significant impact on the reputation of the item, as some would then consider it "burnt" in respect of the market. A seller may have to wait years before feeling confident enough to offer the item to the market again. A guarantee eliminates this risk, as a seller will have the certainty that their item will be sold. Using the auction process to obtain a minimum price: Normally in an auction if a work fails to reach its reserve price, the work goes unsold, and the seller receives no money. A guarantee eliminates this outcome for works that risk not hitting a reserve. Getting the best of both worlds: In the above circumstance, not only has a seller used the auction process to guarantee a minimum price, but they also have the benefit of the chance the item will exceed expectations and sell for an amount in excess of that at auction. Better promotion of the work?: According to a New York Times article (7 January 2015) critics suggest that an auction house may put more effort into marketing an item in which it has an increased financial interest. However, this should not be the case, as legally the arrangement should not change the duty that the auction house owes to their client, the seller. Seller Disadvantages It could reduce your profits: Art Market Monitor (29 October 2015) suggests that in the current market sellers are "too smart" to sign up to guarantees. They raise the valid question: "If you know you have something really good β¦ why take the auction houseβs insurance policy at the cost of your own profits?". It could reduce the price made at auction: Guarantee prices are not disclosed but they are often close to the pre-sale low estimate. Naturally the guarantor will always want to set the guarantee price as low as possible to reduce their risk. As a consequence, the auction estimate may also be set lower. The fact an auction house has estimated an item's value at a lower amount could have the knock-on effect of reducing the amount that buyers are willing to bid to auction. It could deter bidding: a potential buyer will be aware that another buyer has already put his hat in the ring in respect of an item and will have done so at a potentially discounted price. This may dissuade a potential buyer from bidding as they know this is an item that has already been spotted and therefore there is less chance of obtaining the item at a 'bargain' price. It could sell for less than would be received in the private market: The most important question for a seller to ask is 'if it is necessary for me to sign up to an auction house guarantee, should I really be selling at auction?' The very fact that such guarantees exist is an indicator of the risk of selling at auction. Are guarantees ethical? Auction house guarantees are legal but they remain a controversial topic as some consider that they serve to distort the market and inflate prices. It is noted in the auction house catalogue that a lot is subject to a minimum price guarantee, but the guarantee amount is not made public and the guarantor knows the amount. Therefore, arguably they have information that puts them in a better position than their rival bidders. Normally, the reserve price is not disclosed to anyone else. This arguably threatens the idea that those participating in the auction process are doing so on a level playing field. There have also been concerns raised over the fact that due to the existence of guarantees and risk-sharing the published price of an item sold at auction may not be the actual price paid. It has been suggested, that collectors, agents and dealers may attempt to maintain high market values for an artist that they have a financial interest in, by acting as a guarantor and putting in a guaranteed bid. If the winning bid is higher than the guaranteed price, then the guarantor receives their fee and a share of the profits above the guarantee amount. Of course there is a risk that the guarantor may end up with the work if they place the highest bid. However, assuming they can afford it, they have both added to their collection of the artist's work, supported the market of the artist in whose value they hold a stake, and paid a 'discount' price as their fee has been deducted. The terms of the guarantee are negotiable and in light of the effect it can have on the sums that a seller may end up receiving as a result of the guarantee, legal advice should be sought. This article first appeared in the RICS Journal January 2017. Speak to our art law team to find out more about auction law.
There is a recent movement to have 3rd Parties insure the item up for sale where certain individuals / entities make money even if the item hits or does not hit its reserve. Remember in the end "The HOUSE Always Wins". 50% of all lots up for auction are already sold before the auction begins. That's $1,000,000,000 worth of Pejac Envelopes that were pre sold before the commoners get a chance to play in the big sand box.
Auction house guarantees: friend or foe? Auction house and third party guarantees are a hot topic. At the 2015 Autumn sales in New York, Bloomberg reported that $1 billion - approximately half - of the $2 billion total value of lots were already sold before the "paddles are even raised". At the same time, Sotheby's confirmed that they had entered into an arrangement with the Estate of A. Alfred Taubman, its former chairman, to sell art from his collection, which was estimated to be worth in excess of $500 million. The arrangement provided that "Sothebyβs agreed to provide an auction guarantee for the collection at approximately that level". An auction house guarantee is an agreement by which the seller agrees to consign their work or collection to an auction house. The auction house agrees to guarantee to the seller that, whatever the outcome of the auction, the seller will receive a minimum sale price for the work or collection. How do they work in practice? The exact way in which a guarantee will operate will depend on the terms and conditions that have been negotiated between the auction house and the seller in advance of the sale. However, the usual potential outcomes of an auction house guarantee are as follows: The lot fails to sell at all: the auction house becomes the owner of the lot and pays the seller the full guarantee amount. The lot sells for less than the guarantee amount: the winning bidder becomes the owner of the lot, and the auction house pays the seller the hammer price plus the difference between the hammer price and the guarantee amount. The lot sells for more than the guarantee amount: the winning bidder becomes the owner of the lot and the auction house receives a proportion of the excess of the guarantee amount from the seller. Does the auction house take on all of this risk itself? In giving guarantees auction houses are taking a financial risk. This risk could be substantial, especially if the auction house is guaranteeing a number of high value works in the same period. In the autumn of 2008 Sotheby's reportedly lost $52 million in one season, all from guarantees. It has been reported that the Taubman guarantee resulted in a loss for Sotheby's and the auction house had to take possession of $33m of unsold artworks last year. Whilst auction houses can take on the entire risk themselves, they can also choose to share the risk with a third party and that is where matters become more complicated. Typically, this works by the third party agreeing, for a fee, to place an irrevocable written bid for an undisclosed amount on the lot before the auction (known as a third party guarantee). The amount of the bid can be up to or exceeding the guarantee amount. As a result, the third party guarantor takes on all or part of the risk of the lot not being sold. For example, if an auction house gave a minimum price guarantee to the seller of Β£100 million for an artwork, but a third party guarantor places an irrevocable written bid for, say, Β£80 million, the auction house's risk is reduced by that sum. Third party guarantors may then also participate in the auction themselves and choose to bid on the lot over and above their irrevocable written bid. Why do auction houses offer guarantees? There are three primary reasons: profits, certainty and securing works for auction. If a lot sells for more than the guarantee amount, this can provide a good source of profits for the auction house. The guarantee provides certainty that the item will "sell" and therefore commission will be received. If an auction house offers a seller a guarantee as an incentive, they may secure the consignment of works that would otherwise have gone to their rival. If you are a buyer, how do you know if an item is subject to a guarantee? Lots which are subject to a guarantee are marked in the catalogue with a symbol and the symbol key in the auction house's conditions of sale provides an explanation. The auctioneer may also disclose at the start of a sale that some works will be sold with guarantees. However, the amount of the guarantee is not disclosed. Seller advantages Certainty: One of the biggest risks at auction is that an item will fail to sell. This can have a significant impact on the reputation of the item, as some would then consider it "burnt" in respect of the market. A seller may have to wait years before feeling confident enough to offer the item to the market again. A guarantee eliminates this risk, as a seller will have the certainty that their item will be sold. Using the auction process to obtain a minimum price: Normally in an auction if a work fails to reach its reserve price, the work goes unsold, and the seller receives no money. A guarantee eliminates this outcome for works that risk not hitting a reserve. Getting the best of both worlds: In the above circumstance, not only has a seller used the auction process to guarantee a minimum price, but they also have the benefit of the chance the item will exceed expectations and sell for an amount in excess of that at auction. Better promotion of the work?: According to a New York Times article (7 January 2015) critics suggest that an auction house may put more effort into marketing an item in which it has an increased financial interest. However, this should not be the case, as legally the arrangement should not change the duty that the auction house owes to their client, the seller. Seller Disadvantages It could reduce your profits: Art Market Monitor (29 October 2015) suggests that in the current market sellers are "too smart" to sign up to guarantees. They raise the valid question: "If you know you have something really good β¦ why take the auction houseβs insurance policy at the cost of your own profits?". It could reduce the price made at auction: Guarantee prices are not disclosed but they are often close to the pre-sale low estimate. Naturally the guarantor will always want to set the guarantee price as low as possible to reduce their risk. As a consequence, the auction estimate may also be set lower. The fact an auction house has estimated an item's value at a lower amount could have the knock-on effect of reducing the amount that buyers are willing to bid to auction. It could deter bidding: a potential buyer will be aware that another buyer has already put his hat in the ring in respect of an item and will have done so at a potentially discounted price. This may dissuade a potential buyer from bidding as they know this is an item that has already been spotted and therefore there is less chance of obtaining the item at a 'bargain' price. It could sell for less than would be received in the private market: The most important question for a seller to ask is 'if it is necessary for me to sign up to an auction house guarantee, should I really be selling at auction?' The very fact that such guarantees exist is an indicator of the risk of selling at auction. Are guarantees ethical? Auction house guarantees are legal but they remain a controversial topic as some consider that they serve to distort the market and inflate prices. It is noted in the auction house catalogue that a lot is subject to a minimum price guarantee, but the guarantee amount is not made public and the guarantor knows the amount. Therefore, arguably they have information that puts them in a better position than their rival bidders. Normally, the reserve price is not disclosed to anyone else. This arguably threatens the idea that those participating in the auction process are doing so on a level playing field. There have also been concerns raised over the fact that due to the existence of guarantees and risk-sharing the published price of an item sold at auction may not be the actual price paid. It has been suggested, that collectors, agents and dealers may attempt to maintain high market values for an artist that they have a financial interest in, by acting as a guarantor and putting in a guaranteed bid. If the winning bid is higher than the guaranteed price, then the guarantor receives their fee and a share of the profits above the guarantee amount. Of course there is a risk that the guarantor may end up with the work if they place the highest bid. However, assuming they can afford it, they have both added to their collection of the artist's work, supported the market of the artist in whose value they hold a stake, and paid a 'discount' price as their fee has been deducted. The terms of the guarantee are negotiable and in light of the effect it can have on the sums that a seller may end up receiving as a result of the guarantee, legal advice should be sought. This article first appeared in the RICS Journal January 2017. Speak to our art law team to find out more about auction law.
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moron
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 22, 2019 15:55:12 GMT 1, Auction house guarantee. "Caveat Emptor"
Most auction houses insert a disclaimer in their catalogues.
Auction house guarantee. "Caveat Emptor"
Most auction houses insert a disclaimer in their catalogues.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by irl1 on Feb 22, 2019 15:56:16 GMT 1, What does it mean? Why is Lenin on skates? Lenin has been embalmed since 1924. So he has been frozen in time. I have seen him in Red Square a few times.
For a man that's 149 years old he looks mighty fresh
What does it mean? Why is Lenin on skates? Lenin has been embalmed since 1924. So he has been frozen in time. I have seen him in Red Square a few times. For a man that's 149 years old he looks mighty fresh
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by moron on Feb 22, 2019 16:05:35 GMT 1, Lenin has been embalmed since 1924. So he has been frozen in time. I have seen him in Red Square a few times. For a man that's 149 years old he looks mighty fresh He did well for being a man who was Charles Manson insane and a murderer.
Lenin has been embalmed since 1924. So he has been frozen in time. I have seen him in Red Square a few times. For a man that's 149 years old he looks mighty fresh He did well for being a man who was Charles Manson insane and a murderer.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by lorraballs on Feb 22, 2019 18:27:23 GMT 1, I find the inevitable comparison of βdifficultβ art to Fountain tiresome in the extreme, particularly when it is referred to as βtoiletβ. That very nomenclature demonstrates a poor grasp of art history and invalidates any further argument you might posit. Fountain changed everything. This will not. It was and is a toilet, in it's 'truest' form. R. Mutt, what a name! No, it isnβt. No more than Moore and Gormley are simply metal or The Story of Cold, Dark Matter is a shed.
I find the inevitable comparison of βdifficultβ art to Fountain tiresome in the extreme, particularly when it is referred to as βtoiletβ. That very nomenclature demonstrates a poor grasp of art history and invalidates any further argument you might posit. Fountain changed everything. This will not. It was and is a toilet, in it's 'truest' form. R. Mutt, what a name! No, it isnβt. No more than Moore and Gormley are simply metal or The Story of Cold, Dark Matter is a shed.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by jkal on Feb 23, 2019 22:22:37 GMT 1, I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction.
Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true.
I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction.
Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Zero Hero 2 on Feb 23, 2019 23:33:10 GMT 1, I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction. Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true.
Banksy isnt really the guy to make the same thing twice...
I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction. Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true. Banksy isnt really the guy to make the same thing twice...
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by 19818914 on Feb 24, 2019 8:45:18 GMT 1, I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction. Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true. Banksy isnt really the guy to make the same thing twice...
Unless itβs better than the first time. But it seems like hype talk for a good sale.
I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction. Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true. Banksy isnt really the guy to make the same thing twice... Unless itβs better than the first time. But it seems like hype talk for a good sale.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by jkal on Feb 24, 2019 14:55:06 GMT 1, I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction. Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true. Banksy isnt really the guy to make the same thing twice... I thought the same thing about another intervention, very unlikely IMO. I guess not unlikely that many people who bought this piece were VIP's connected to the PC inner circle.
I heard a rumor via a very reliable artist friend that has connects to PC that this Bonhams Grappling Hook was listed via someone within Banksy's circle and something is going to happen at the auction. Anyone else hear something like this? Thinking of making the trip over to London to attend the sale as i'd love to see it go down if it's true. Banksy isnt really the guy to make the same thing twice... I thought the same thing about another intervention, very unlikely IMO. I guess not unlikely that many people who bought this piece were VIP's connected to the PC inner circle.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 16:11:48 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames.
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Villain Dillon on Feb 24, 2019 16:34:27 GMT 1, I have professionally worked with Bonhams many many times. I would never put anything up for auction with them as I've seen their storage and handling facilities and in my eyes are not up to par. Weird that this is being sold through them as I'm sure other avenues hold a better clientele and grouping for this piece.
I have professionally worked with Bonhams many many times. I would never put anything up for auction with them as I've seen their storage and handling facilities and in my eyes are not up to par. Weird that this is being sold through them as I'm sure other avenues hold a better clientele and grouping for this piece.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by irl1 on Feb 24, 2019 16:40:31 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Noting. It could be the seller trying to hype up the auction
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Noting. It could be the seller trying to hype up the auction
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by irl1 on Feb 24, 2019 16:42:57 GMT 1, I have professionally worked with Bonhams many many times. I would never put anything up for auction with them as I've seen their storage and handling facilities and in my eyes are not up to par. Weird that this is being sold through them as I'm sure other avenues hold a better clientele and grouping for this piece. The seller must be new to auctions. This would be the last place i would put it in
He would have a better chance on here, hope i'm wrong for the sellers sake
I have professionally worked with Bonhams many many times. I would never put anything up for auction with them as I've seen their storage and handling facilities and in my eyes are not up to par. Weird that this is being sold through them as I'm sure other avenues hold a better clientele and grouping for this piece. The seller must be new to auctions. This would be the last place i would put it in He would have a better chance on here, hope i'm wrong for the sellers sake
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by sl1973 on Feb 24, 2019 16:43:18 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Spontaneous combustion could be spectacular!
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Spontaneous combustion could be spectacular!
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by irl1 on Feb 24, 2019 16:44:36 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Spontaneous combustion could be spectacular! You must be talking about the seller after the sale
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Spontaneous combustion could be spectacular! You must be talking about the seller after the sale
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by jkal on Feb 24, 2019 17:29:47 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Noting. It could be the seller trying to hype up the auction If only. Sadly I could barely afford a 1k piece let alone 48k
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. Noting. It could be the seller trying to hype up the auction If only. Sadly I could barely afford a 1k piece let alone 48k
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by sl1973 on Feb 24, 2019 17:45:26 GMT 1, Spontaneous combustion could be spectacular! You must be talking about the seller after the sale Haha.
I don't know, i'd agree the Phillips March sale is strong and Sotheby's get good numbers but this Bonhams sale after research had very good returns last year. And there are some strong lots too. Given the catalogue presentation online, I have to say I reckon this could attract some old school collectors with deep pockets. My guess is this will fly high, will be hard to judge how the proceeding sales this year go. It's such an unpredictable market. All about timing and right sale.
Spontaneous combustion could be spectacular! You must be talking about the seller after the sale Haha. I don't know, i'd agree the Phillips March sale is strong and Sotheby's get good numbers but this Bonhams sale after research had very good returns last year. And there are some strong lots too. Given the catalogue presentation online, I have to say I reckon this could attract some old school collectors with deep pockets. My guess is this will fly high, will be hard to judge how the proceeding sales this year go. It's such an unpredictable market. All about timing and right sale.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 18:03:03 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames.
I heard that......
Jesus' eyes will light up
and if you look closely there is a little jet pack built into the 3 hooks so it off it takes off like a kite with the rope trailing behind...flies around the auctioneer wrapping the rope around his neck, then hooks itself on the ceiling joists and starts drawing up the rope
Now that's what i call entertainment on a Thursday evening
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. I heard that...... Jesus' eyes will light up and if you look closely there is a little jet pack built into the 3 hooks so it off it takes off like a kite with the rope trailing behind...flies around the auctioneer wrapping the rope around his neck, then hooks itself on the ceiling joists and starts drawing up the rope Now that's what i call entertainment on a Thursday evening
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by sl1973 on Feb 24, 2019 18:24:53 GMT 1, What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. I heard that...... Jesus' eyes will light up and if you look closely there is a little jet pack built into the 3 hooks so it off it takes off like a kite with the rope trailing behind...flies around the auctioneer wrapping the rope around his neck, then hooks itself on the ceiling joists and starts drawing up the rope Now that's what i call entertainment on a Thursday evening That's a great potential concept, the grappling hook could be a drone come hangman disguised as Jesus.
I'd totally watch that directors cut
What kind of event can happen during the sale of a grappling hook? It can't exactly shred itself or suddenly burst in to flames. I heard that...... Jesus' eyes will light up and if you look closely there is a little jet pack built into the 3 hooks so it off it takes off like a kite with the rope trailing behind...flies around the auctioneer wrapping the rope around his neck, then hooks itself on the ceiling joists and starts drawing up the rope Now that's what i call entertainment on a Thursday evening That's a great potential concept, the grappling hook could be a drone come hangman disguised as Jesus. I'd totally watch that directors cut
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by irl1 on Feb 24, 2019 20:36:58 GMT 1, Noting. It could be the seller trying to hype up the auction If only. Sadly I could barely afford a 1k piece let alone 48k Sorry jkal i was talking about the person that put the rumour out
Noting. It could be the seller trying to hype up the auction If only. Sadly I could barely afford a 1k piece let alone 48k Sorry jkal i was talking about the person that put the rumour out
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by irl1 on Feb 24, 2019 20:46:27 GMT 1, You must be talking about the seller after the sale Haha. I don't know, i'd agree the Phillips March sale is strong and Sotheby's get good numbers but this Bonhams sale after research had very good returns last year. And there are some strong lots too. Given the catalogue presentation online, I have to say I reckon this could attract some old school collectors with deep pockets. My guess is this will fly high, will be hard to judge how the proceeding sales this year go. It's such an unpredictable market. All about timing and right sale. I found this part of one of your early posts very odd, more so the Phillips estimate.
I also was lucky to get the chance to buy a Grappling Hook and recently got it appraised by Phillips and Sothebys. Neither seemed to have much insight on the piece. Phillips gave a 6 to 8k gbp estimate (LOL) and Sotheby's 30k-50k gbp.
You must be talking about the seller after the sale Haha. I don't know, i'd agree the Phillips March sale is strong and Sotheby's get good numbers but this Bonhams sale after research had very good returns last year. And there are some strong lots too. Given the catalogue presentation online, I have to say I reckon this could attract some old school collectors with deep pockets. My guess is this will fly high, will be hard to judge how the proceeding sales this year go. It's such an unpredictable market. All about timing and right sale. I found this part of one of your early posts very odd, more so the Phillips estimate. I also was lucky to get the chance to buy a Grappling Hook and recently got it appraised by Phillips and Sothebys. Neither seemed to have much insight on the piece. Phillips gave a 6 to 8k gbp estimate (LOL) and Sotheby's 30k-50k gbp.
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Bonhams β’ Art Auctions β’ London π¬π§, by sl1973 on Feb 24, 2019 21:07:19 GMT 1, Haha. I don't know, i'd agree the Phillips March sale is strong and Sotheby's get good numbers but this Bonhams sale after research had very good returns last year. And there are some strong lots too. Given the catalogue presentation online, I have to say I reckon this could attract some old school collectors with deep pockets. My guess is this will fly high, will be hard to judge how the proceeding sales this year go. It's such an unpredictable market. All about timing and right sale. I found this part of one of your early posts very odd, more so the Phillips estimate. I also was lucky to get the chance to buy a Grappling Hook and recently got it appraised by Phillips and Sothebys. Neither seemed to have much insight on the piece. Phillips gave a 6 to 8k gbp estimate (LOL) and Sotheby's 30k-50k gbp. The 6-8k estimate was for sure a bad call from Phillips but what I meant was the upcoming Phillips auction has some great work for sale. I think the estimate they gave me was an oversight and that I just ended up in the wrong Phillips specialist inbox.
Curious though, as a seller you are wanting a good commission and to be part of a great selection of work with a good reach.
The Bonhams sale posted is seen by many as a possibly weak idea it appears so where is considered significantly better since I probably will sell in the next year or two??
Neither Phillips or Sotheby's were very responsive on contact.... Christies results are a little all over the map too.
Looking at past results for all of the major auction houses with small editions and og's the results do not seem significantly better from one house to the next. Prints perhaps are stronger at Phillips / Sothebys but from what I can see not exclusively with all the rarer work...Love Is In The Bin (Sothebys) aside - as that price made little sense.
Haha. I don't know, i'd agree the Phillips March sale is strong and Sotheby's get good numbers but this Bonhams sale after research had very good returns last year. And there are some strong lots too. Given the catalogue presentation online, I have to say I reckon this could attract some old school collectors with deep pockets. My guess is this will fly high, will be hard to judge how the proceeding sales this year go. It's such an unpredictable market. All about timing and right sale. I found this part of one of your early posts very odd, more so the Phillips estimate. I also was lucky to get the chance to buy a Grappling Hook and recently got it appraised by Phillips and Sothebys. Neither seemed to have much insight on the piece. Phillips gave a 6 to 8k gbp estimate (LOL) and Sotheby's 30k-50k gbp. The 6-8k estimate was for sure a bad call from Phillips but what I meant was the upcoming Phillips auction has some great work for sale. I think the estimate they gave me was an oversight and that I just ended up in the wrong Phillips specialist inbox. Curious though, as a seller you are wanting a good commission and to be part of a great selection of work with a good reach. The Bonhams sale posted is seen by many as a possibly weak idea it appears so where is considered significantly better since I probably will sell in the next year or two?? Neither Phillips or Sotheby's were very responsive on contact.... Christies results are a little all over the map too. Looking at past results for all of the major auction houses with small editions and og's the results do not seem significantly better from one house to the next. Prints perhaps are stronger at Phillips / Sothebys but from what I can see not exclusively with all the rarer work...Love Is In The Bin (Sothebys) aside - as that price made little sense.
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