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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by sakesake on Mar 6, 2019 18:32:13 GMT 1, I had intel from Bonhams yesterday that the Grappling Hook has few interest. We'll see how it goes! My guess is 85 hammer
I had intel from Bonhams yesterday that the Grappling Hook has few interest. We'll see how it goes! My guess is 85 hammer
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Unica on Mar 6, 2019 18:39:58 GMT 1, Well if it's any indication of things to come the large Sid Vicious canvas at Sotheby's failed to find a buyer, with a reserve of less than £200k. Small edition of 3, I saw it the other week and it had some presence. Didn't appeal to me, as I've never really liked listened to the Sex Pistols. That being said it was a classic Banksy style. Anyone know what the bidding went up to? That being said I've seen one of these Sid Vicious canvases fail to sell before, might just be the image and I think the estimate was pretty bullish. www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2019/contemporary-art-day-auction-l19021/lot.258.htmlI'm not surprised it didn't sell. It's not even signed by Banksy. And doesn't seem to have any meaning behind it either. I can't see how they think it's worth 200k plus.
Well if it's any indication of things to come the large Sid Vicious canvas at Sotheby's failed to find a buyer, with a reserve of less than £200k. Small edition of 3, I saw it the other week and it had some presence. Didn't appeal to me, as I've never really liked listened to the Sex Pistols. That being said it was a classic Banksy style. Anyone know what the bidding went up to? That being said I've seen one of these Sid Vicious canvases fail to sell before, might just be the image and I think the estimate was pretty bullish. www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2019/contemporary-art-day-auction-l19021/lot.258.htmlI'm not surprised it didn't sell. It's not even signed by Banksy. And doesn't seem to have any meaning behind it either. I can't see how they think it's worth 200k plus. I might suggest its signed in stencil and is a homage to Andy Warhol in the repetition of an icon image on canvas. Warhol didn't sign all of his work. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by lee3 on Mar 6, 2019 19:12:53 GMT 1, I think it's really important to keep seasonality in mind as this is traditionally warm up season although it's clearly changed the past handful of years into prime time. From my vantage point, after reviewing todays Sotheby's day sale over coffee, it was rather dreadful across the board. Far more bought in lots than expected from the likes of albers, oehlen and kippenberger all of whom were all featured prominently at the start. As the sale meanders along there are buyins from dumas, warhol, banksy and hirst although these were far from their best examples. I thought that gem of a Haring would fare even better as it pops on the wall. Taking all of that into account and keeping in mind that this is Bonhams and not Sotheby's, probably best to temper enthusiasm. How do you know when the auction house buy in?
I think it's really important to keep seasonality in mind as this is traditionally warm up season although it's clearly changed the past handful of years into prime time. From my vantage point, after reviewing todays Sotheby's day sale over coffee, it was rather dreadful across the board. Far more bought in lots than expected from the likes of albers, oehlen and kippenberger all of whom were all featured prominently at the start. As the sale meanders along there are buyins from dumas, warhol, banksy and hirst although these were far from their best examples. I thought that gem of a Haring would fare even better as it pops on the wall. Taking all of that into account and keeping in mind that this is Bonhams and not Sotheby's, probably best to temper enthusiasm. How do you know when the auction house buy in? If it doesn't reflect a "lot sold" for price with premium listed underneath it, it didn't sell. Sometimes it can be confused with withdrawn lots by the seller if the house failed to recognize it properly but that's the exception as opposed to the norm. I'll give Bonhams credit as their sale is faring better than I expected. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Mar 6, 2019 19:20:55 GMT 1, Yes results look good, Grappling Hook up next
Yes results look good, Grappling Hook up next
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by aumi on Mar 6, 2019 19:23:49 GMT 1, I think it will be sold within the estimate. It is a great piece as it is perfectly representing the walled off. However, there might be a lot of people hesitating to hang a piece like this in their home.
Not too wall friendly in the end like I said
I think it will be sold within the estimate. It is a great piece as it is perfectly representing the walled off. However, there might be a lot of people hesitating to hang a piece like this in their home. Not too wall friendly in the end like I said |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by barsukauk on Mar 6, 2019 19:23:51 GMT 1, will not make the reserved
will not make the reserved
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Mar 6, 2019 19:24:59 GMT 1, will not make the reserved
will not make the reserved Unsold |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Mar 6, 2019 19:24:59 GMT 1, This is great. I think I’ll be able to get one after all.
This is great. I think I’ll be able to get one after all.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by The Italian One on Mar 6, 2019 19:25:26 GMT 1, only 68 k 
only 68 k |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:25:39 GMT 1, So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve
Did I mention I hate Bonhams
So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve
Did I mention I hate Bonhams
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Eton Groover on Mar 6, 2019 19:26:12 GMT 1, Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish
I’ll give myself a pat on the back
Not typical of the artists genre Not the artists usual medium Religious imagery It’s an edition not an original. I think the estimate is extremely bullish I’ll give myself a pat on the back |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Winter on Mar 6, 2019 19:26:34 GMT 1, Ok who said £300k?!!
Ok who said £300k?!!
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by The Italian One on Mar 6, 2019 19:27:03 GMT 1, So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams
So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by The Italian One on Mar 6, 2019 19:27:55 GMT 1, aahahhahahahahahahah
me!!
i'll take commission as art consultant
hahahahaha
aahahhahahahahahahah me!! i'll take commission as art consultant hahahahaha |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:28:37 GMT 1, So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy
No shit LOL
So what do I win? I said it wouldn't hit reserve Did I mention I hate Bonhams seems like bonhams is the cheapest way to own a banksy No shit LOL |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Mar 6, 2019 19:31:20 GMT 1, This is great. I think I’ll be able to get one after all. 
This is great. I think I’ll be able to get one after all. Try catawiki next week |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Mar 6, 2019 19:33:35 GMT 1, Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached?
Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached?
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Pawel on Mar 6, 2019 19:35:30 GMT 1, Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached?
This one didn't sell so obviously the seller wants more...
Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? This one didn't sell so obviously the seller wants more... |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Mar 6, 2019 19:35:56 GMT 1, Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached?
Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? It never made the reserve so really it could have been the house bidding from 60 to 68 |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Matt on Mar 6, 2019 19:36:28 GMT 1, Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached?
Question isn’t if it is fair but if it is likely.
And it isn’t
This piece was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most of all owners would have no incentive to let go of theirs for a measly margin
Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? Question isn’t if it is fair but if it is likely. And it isn’t This piece was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most of all owners would have no incentive to let go of theirs for a measly margin |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Mar 6, 2019 19:38:20 GMT 1, Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? Question isn’t if it is fair but if it is likely. And it isn’t This piece was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most of all owners would have no incentive to let go of theirs for a measly margin
Understandable. I can’t help but think some owners would rather use that cash for other priorities in life.
Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? Question isn’t if it is fair but if it is likely. And it isn’t This piece was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most of all owners would have no incentive to let go of theirs for a measly margin Understandable. I can’t help but think some owners would rather use that cash for other priorities in life. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Mar 6, 2019 19:39:30 GMT 1, Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? This one didn't sell so obviously the seller wants more...
Only 2k more to reserve. And does the auction house charge the seller fees aside from the premium they make?
Completely honest question. If one were to purchase this edition privately. Is it fair for a purchase price of 68k without factoring the premium that Bonhams would have attached? This one didn't sell so obviously the seller wants more... Only 2k more to reserve. And does the auction house charge the seller fees aside from the premium they make? |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 19:41:08 GMT 1, Question isn’t if it is fair but if it is likely. And it isn’t This piece was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most of all owners would have no incentive to let go of theirs for a measly margin Understandable. I can’t help but think some owners would rather use that cash for other priorities in life though.
Put it out there, you never know
I wouldn't, but it only takes one
Question isn’t if it is fair but if it is likely. And it isn’t This piece was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time, but most of all owners would have no incentive to let go of theirs for a measly margin Understandable. I can’t help but think some owners would rather use that cash for other priorities in life though. Put it out there, you never know I wouldn't, but it only takes one |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Mar 6, 2019 19:45:58 GMT 1, Thanks. I thought this would be out of reach but it’s a strong work for 90k usd.
Thanks. I thought this would be out of reach but it’s a strong work for 90k usd.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Dexter Bulldog on Mar 6, 2019 19:52:24 GMT 1, Not really
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Mar 6, 2019 19:59:44 GMT 1, Thoughts on what this goes for tomorrow ? Lets sweepstake it I dont think it will hit low estimate as i have zero faith in Bonhams. Come on Bonhams show me how wrong i am My guesstimate Sub 70k
Thoughts on what this goes for tomorrow ? Lets sweepstake it I dont think it will hit low estimate as i have zero faith in Bonhams. Come on Bonhams show me how wrong i am My guesstimate Sub 70k And the winner was... Manty! |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Mar 6, 2019 20:01:17 GMT 1, Manty, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. No way on this earth will this not go over the high estimate! I am going to go for £170k hammer Hammer at £90k  
Manty, I think you will be pleasantly surprised. No way on this earth will this not go over the high estimate! I am going to go for £170k hammer Hammer at £90k I was a bit too optimistic |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Dexter Bulldog on Mar 6, 2019 20:02:48 GMT 1, I really don’t necessarily blame the auction house here
I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and it’s context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what it’s trying to tell you. I’m not into the blatant religious statement pieces but I’d much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made.
People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a gwb print
I really don’t necessarily blame the auction house here
I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and it’s context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what it’s trying to tell you. I’m not into the blatant religious statement pieces but I’d much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made.
People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a gwb print
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by 19818914 on Mar 6, 2019 20:14:49 GMT 1, I really don’t necessarily blame the auction house here I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and it’s context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what it’s trying to tell you. I’m not into the blatant religious statement pieces but I’d much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made. People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a Girl With Balloon print
It’s just tiring. Banksy is so much more than a girl with balloon.
I really don’t necessarily blame the auction house here I think this piece is a challenge for a number of reasons mentioned, mainly how to display it and it’s context. Combining those two actually it may be initially difficult for (others) to decipher it from just a regular crucifix with a rope, depending how high up it is. Whereas cwsb jumps out what it’s trying to tell you. I’m not into the blatant religious statement pieces but I’d much rather have that print than this even if there were 1000 printed and only 3 of the hooks made. People saying 200, you have to think not many people would buy this over a Girl With Balloon print It’s just tiring. Banksy is so much more than a girl with balloon. |
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by artearte on Mar 6, 2019 20:19:54 GMT 1, I think Bonhams was biding on it to get the reserved.
Worse Banksy in 20 years.
And box is not hand made by banksy.
I think Bonhams was biding on it to get the reserved.
Worse Banksy in 20 years.
And box is not hand made by banksy.
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