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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by jB on Feb 18, 2019 20:48:02 GMT 1, It'll be interesting to see what it fetches. COAs must have just been shipped.
It'll be interesting to see what it fetches. COAs must have just been shipped.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by kuni on Feb 18, 2019 22:46:42 GMT 1, If I remember correctly there was a poster on here waffling on whether or not to buy one of these for ~50k? Can’t remember if he ended up buying the piece though. Basically the thread turned into a sh*tshow but would be interesting to know what he ended up doing.
If I remember correctly there was a poster on here waffling on whether or not to buy one of these for ~50k? Can’t remember if he ended up buying the piece though. Basically the thread turned into a sh*tshow but would be interesting to know what he ended up doing.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Feb 18, 2019 22:50:20 GMT 1, If I remember correctly there was a poster on here waffling on whether or not to buy one of these for ~50k? Can’t remember if he ended up buying the piece though. Basically the thread turned into a sh*tshow but would be interesting to know what he ended up doing. Yes i remember that, think he was deciding between it and a house
As far as i remember he purchased the Grapling Hook
If I remember correctly there was a poster on here waffling on whether or not to buy one of these for ~50k? Can’t remember if he ended up buying the piece though. Basically the thread turned into a sh*tshow but would be interesting to know what he ended up doing. Yes i remember that, think he was deciding between it and a house As far as i remember he purchased the Grapling Hook
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by qest on Feb 18, 2019 22:55:05 GMT 1, If I remember correctly there was a poster on here waffling on whether or not to buy one of these for ~50k? Can’t remember if he ended up buying the piece though. Basically the thread turned into a sh*tshow but would be interesting to know what he ended up doing. Yes i remember that, think he was deciding between it and a house As far as i remember he purchased the Grapling Hook I hope so. Money pit vs. money tree climbing device.
If I remember correctly there was a poster on here waffling on whether or not to buy one of these for ~50k? Can’t remember if he ended up buying the piece though. Basically the thread turned into a sh*tshow but would be interesting to know what he ended up doing. Yes i remember that, think he was deciding between it and a house As far as i remember he purchased the Grapling Hook I hope so. Money pit vs. money tree climbing device.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by gd79 on Feb 18, 2019 23:05:24 GMT 1, The important question though... Is the box part of the artwork or not? What if it is dinged...
The important question though... Is the box part of the artwork or not? What if it is dinged...
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Carl Cashman on Feb 19, 2019 6:28:53 GMT 1, I'm guessing 250k +
I'm guessing 250k +
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by nex on Feb 19, 2019 6:32:41 GMT 1, The important question though... Is the box part of the artwork or not? What if it is dinged...
Must be - it’s got hand sprayed stencils and is most definitely connected to the piece found inside - in some ways I think the box is more valuable!
The important question though... Is the box part of the artwork or not? What if it is dinged... Must be - it’s got hand sprayed stencils and is most definitely connected to the piece found inside - in some ways I think the box is more valuable!
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by eschiff on Feb 19, 2019 10:19:48 GMT 1, I believe the guy ended up buying the grappling hook (as did I). As an owner, I'm curious to see where this lands, was also wondering whether the first to come up to auction would be sold with or without the box. I had thoughts of cutting up the box and framing the panels, wonder what that would do to the value of the hook - is the box now a part of the art?
I was on the fence at the time, it was a lot of money for me and quite a stretch - back then I figured if worse came to worst then I thought I'd at least be able to sell it for cost - looks like it may be quite a few multiples of that.
I believe the guy ended up buying the grappling hook (as did I). As an owner, I'm curious to see where this lands, was also wondering whether the first to come up to auction would be sold with or without the box. I had thoughts of cutting up the box and framing the panels, wonder what that would do to the value of the hook - is the box now a part of the art?
I was on the fence at the time, it was a lot of money for me and quite a stretch - back then I figured if worse came to worst then I thought I'd at least be able to sell it for cost - looks like it may be quite a few multiples of that.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by JW on Feb 19, 2019 10:49:11 GMT 1, For sure, the box is part of the overall art piece. That’s why it has the stencils done in the way they are, Jesus on the cross, fragile ideology, turn water into wine, Star of David and all that! It’s actually quite a piece, you are lucky to have had the opportunity to buy it! I think you'll find the original question was tongue in cheek - referencing the recent Pejac "Love Letter" box debate.
This absolutely forms part of the overall art piece.
For sure, the box is part of the overall art piece. That’s why it has the stencils done in the way they are, Jesus on the cross, fragile ideology, turn water into wine, Star of David and all that! It’s actually quite a piece, you are lucky to have had the opportunity to buy it! I think you'll find the original question was tongue in cheek - referencing the recent Pejac "Love Letter" box debate. This absolutely forms part of the overall art piece.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by rosac on Feb 19, 2019 11:30:10 GMT 1, i have a feeling this will go for a big number
i have a feeling this will go for a big number
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Feb 19, 2019 11:58:47 GMT 1, i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it.
To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO.
Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas.
i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by eschiff on Feb 19, 2019 12:06:34 GMT 1, i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I don't know much about the auction world and when is a good time to list or with which auction house. You very well could be right.
A few people brought up your point on the thread where the guy was deciding to buy it or not. I'd say that finding space for a grappling hook is much easier than a massive canvas (not to mention it comes with the installation hook to make it easy to put on a wall).
I'd also add that while you're right, it is an emaciated jesus, that's surely just a superficial reading of the piece. It's easy to dismiss a piece of art that way (GWB is just a girl...with a balloon, any of the placard rats are just rats...holding a placard), not much depth to looking at it that way. And I would think that anyone that sees this piece as just an emaciated Jesus may not be the target market for most Banksy pieces.
i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I don't know much about the auction world and when is a good time to list or with which auction house. You very well could be right. A few people brought up your point on the thread where the guy was deciding to buy it or not. I'd say that finding space for a grappling hook is much easier than a massive canvas (not to mention it comes with the installation hook to make it easy to put on a wall). I'd also add that while you're right, it is an emaciated jesus, that's surely just a superficial reading of the piece. It's easy to dismiss a piece of art that way (GWB is just a girl...with a balloon, any of the placard rats are just rats...holding a placard), not much depth to looking at it that way. And I would think that anyone that sees this piece as just an emaciated Jesus may not be the target market for most Banksy pieces.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Feb 19, 2019 12:11:46 GMT 1, If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I don't know much about the auction world and when is a good time to list or with which auction house. You very well could be right. A few people brought up your point on the thread where the guy was deciding to buy it or not. I'd say that finding space for a grappling hook is much easier than a massive canvas (not to mention it comes with the installation hook to make it easy to put on a wall). I'd also add that while you're right, it is an emaciated jesus, that's surely just a superficial reading of the piece. It's easy to dismiss a piece of art that way (Girl With Balloon is just a girl...with a balloon, any of the placard rats are just rats...holding a placard), not much depth to looking at it that way. And I would think that anyone that sees this piece as just an emaciated Jesus may not be the target market for most Banksy pieces. Appreciate all that but I'm only considering the potential for strong auction result.
No amount of depth can explain Sotherby's result for the GWB canvas last year (pre-shedding of course). Post shredding and you've got some depth issues to consider
If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I don't know much about the auction world and when is a good time to list or with which auction house. You very well could be right. A few people brought up your point on the thread where the guy was deciding to buy it or not. I'd say that finding space for a grappling hook is much easier than a massive canvas (not to mention it comes with the installation hook to make it easy to put on a wall). I'd also add that while you're right, it is an emaciated jesus, that's surely just a superficial reading of the piece. It's easy to dismiss a piece of art that way (Girl With Balloon is just a girl...with a balloon, any of the placard rats are just rats...holding a placard), not much depth to looking at it that way. And I would think that anyone that sees this piece as just an emaciated Jesus may not be the target market for most Banksy pieces. Appreciate all that but I'm only considering the potential for strong auction result.
No amount of depth can explain Sotherby's result for the GWB canvas last year (pre-shedding of course). Post shredding and you've got some depth issues to consider
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by maven on Feb 19, 2019 12:48:43 GMT 1, Not for me, but a great investment if you have one. It will be interesting to see the auction result.
Not for me, but a great investment if you have one. It will be interesting to see the auction result.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by nex on Feb 19, 2019 12:54:34 GMT 1, I believe the guy ended up buying the grappling hook (as did I). As an owner, I'm curious to see where this lands, was also wondering whether the first to come up to auction would be sold with or without the box. I had thoughts of cutting up the box and framing the panels, wonder what that would do to the value of the hook - is the box now a part of the art? I was on the fence at the time, it was a lot of money for me and quite a stretch - back then I figured if worse came to worst then I thought I'd at least be able to sell it for cost - looks like it may be quite a few multiples of that.
If you ever decide to frame the sides post pics - that’s how I think it should be kept too - do understand though that could harm the purity of the piece
I believe the guy ended up buying the grappling hook (as did I). As an owner, I'm curious to see where this lands, was also wondering whether the first to come up to auction would be sold with or without the box. I had thoughts of cutting up the box and framing the panels, wonder what that would do to the value of the hook - is the box now a part of the art? I was on the fence at the time, it was a lot of money for me and quite a stretch - back then I figured if worse came to worst then I thought I'd at least be able to sell it for cost - looks like it may be quite a few multiples of that. If you ever decide to frame the sides post pics - that’s how I think it should be kept too - do understand though that could harm the purity of the piece
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:08:26 GMT 1, i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas.
Bonhams is not the place to put this kind if stuff and if You look through the actual auction and compare it to Phillips thats on the day after its incomparable.
Then add in the mailings out and customer base.
As we all pretty much know Bonhams is the cheapest place to buy Banksy prints.
Why someone would put this in Bonhams is playing with my mind a little. I just dont get it 😁
I get your point on a canvas and agree. This is a lot more Niche. All the more reason to place it in the right auction with the right auction company
i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. Bonhams is not the place to put this kind if stuff and if You look through the actual auction and compare it to Phillips thats on the day after its incomparable. Then add in the mailings out and customer base. As we all pretty much know Bonhams is the cheapest place to buy Banksy prints. Why someone would put this in Bonhams is playing with my mind a little. I just dont get it 😁 I get your point on a canvas and agree. This is a lot more Niche. All the more reason to place it in the right auction with the right auction company
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Feb 19, 2019 13:29:12 GMT 1, If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. Bonhams is not the place to put this kind if stuff and if You look through the actual auction and compare it to Phillips thats on the day after its incomparable. Then add in the mailings out and customer base. As we all pretty much know Bonhams is the cheapest place to buy Banksy prints. Why someone would put this in Bonhams is playing with my mind a little. I just dont get it 😁 I get your point on a canvas and agree. This is a lot more Niche. All the more reason to place it in the right auction with the right auction company Poor Bonhams!
To be fair to them they do hold the record for a Banksy editioned canvas, unless I've overlooked a sale or two elsewhere. Nearly £350k with buyer's premium for an edition of 25.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Agreed that prints don't do as well as they seem to do elsewhere but give them some credit...
If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. Bonhams is not the place to put this kind if stuff and if You look through the actual auction and compare it to Phillips thats on the day after its incomparable. Then add in the mailings out and customer base. As we all pretty much know Bonhams is the cheapest place to buy Banksy prints. Why someone would put this in Bonhams is playing with my mind a little. I just dont get it 😁 I get your point on a canvas and agree. This is a lot more Niche. All the more reason to place it in the right auction with the right auction company Poor Bonhams!
To be fair to them they do hold the record for a Banksy editioned canvas, unless I've overlooked a sale or two elsewhere. Nearly £350k with buyer's premium for an edition of 25.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Agreed that prints don't do as well as they seem to do elsewhere but give them some credit...
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:36:01 GMT 1, Bonhams is not the place to put this kind if stuff and if You look through the actual auction and compare it to Phillips thats on the day after its incomparable. Then add in the mailings out and customer base. As we all pretty much know Bonhams is the cheapest place to buy Banksy prints. Why someone would put this in Bonhams is playing with my mind a little. I just dont get it 😁 I get your point on a canvas and agree. This is a lot more Niche. All the more reason to place it in the right auction with the right auction company Poor Bonhams!
To be fair to them they do hold the record for a Banksy editioned canvas, unless I've overlooked a sale or two elsewhere. Nearly £350k with buyer's premium for an edition of 25.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Agreed that prints don't do as well as they seem to do elsewhere but give them some credit...
If you owned this and wanted to get the best return on it. Would you have put it in this auction house or one of the others? If one of the others which one?
Bonhams is not the place to put this kind if stuff and if You look through the actual auction and compare it to Phillips thats on the day after its incomparable. Then add in the mailings out and customer base. As we all pretty much know Bonhams is the cheapest place to buy Banksy prints. Why someone would put this in Bonhams is playing with my mind a little. I just dont get it 😁 I get your point on a canvas and agree. This is a lot more Niche. All the more reason to place it in the right auction with the right auction company Poor Bonhams!
To be fair to them they do hold the record for a Banksy editioned canvas, unless I've overlooked a sale or two elsewhere. Nearly £350k with buyer's premium for an edition of 25.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Agreed that prints don't do as well as they seem to do elsewhere but give them some credit...
If you owned this and wanted to get the best return on it. Would you have put it in this auction house or one of the others? If one of the others which one?
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 13:55:32 GMT 1, Perhaps Bonhams is giving the seller better rates than the other auction houses. And anyway, Bonhams is still a relatively high-end auction house whatever you may think of them.
Perhaps Bonhams is giving the seller better rates than the other auction houses. And anyway, Bonhams is still a relatively high-end auction house whatever you may think of them.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Feb 19, 2019 14:00:26 GMT 1, Poor Bonhams!
To be fair to them they do hold the record for a Banksy editioned canvas, unless I've overlooked a sale or two elsewhere. Nearly £350k with buyer's premium for an edition of 25.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Agreed that prints don't do as well as they seem to do elsewhere but give them some credit...
If you owned this and wanted to get the best return on it. Would you have put it in this auction house or one of the others? If one of the others which one? For me, it would depend on which auction house offered me the best deal on seller's commission.
I think that buyers with big wallets know when Banksy originals come up and don't really care which auction house is selling them. Stick it on your website and "they shall come". The editioned GWB canvas demonstrates this point well.
Poor Bonhams!
To be fair to them they do hold the record for a Banksy editioned canvas, unless I've overlooked a sale or two elsewhere. Nearly £350k with buyer's premium for an edition of 25.
www.bonhams.com/auctions/24744/lot/44/
Agreed that prints don't do as well as they seem to do elsewhere but give them some credit...
If you owned this and wanted to get the best return on it. Would you have put it in this auction house or one of the others? If one of the others which one? For me, it would depend on which auction house offered me the best deal on seller's commission.
I think that buyers with big wallets know when Banksy originals come up and don't really care which auction house is selling them. Stick it on your website and "they shall come". The editioned GWB canvas demonstrates this point well.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by eschiff on Feb 19, 2019 14:08:45 GMT 1, I believe the guy ended up buying the grappling hook (as did I). As an owner, I'm curious to see where this lands, was also wondering whether the first to come up to auction would be sold with or without the box. I had thoughts of cutting up the box and framing the panels, wonder what that would do to the value of the hook - is the box now a part of the art? I was on the fence at the time, it was a lot of money for me and quite a stretch - back then I figured if worse came to worst then I thought I'd at least be able to sell it for cost - looks like it may be quite a few multiples of that. If you ever decide to frame the sides post pics - that’s how I think it should be kept too - do understand though that could harm the purity of the piece
Yeah, interesting as of course no one knew the box would come with the stencils. At least I didn’t anyway.
I believe the guy ended up buying the grappling hook (as did I). As an owner, I'm curious to see where this lands, was also wondering whether the first to come up to auction would be sold with or without the box. I had thoughts of cutting up the box and framing the panels, wonder what that would do to the value of the hook - is the box now a part of the art? I was on the fence at the time, it was a lot of money for me and quite a stretch - back then I figured if worse came to worst then I thought I'd at least be able to sell it for cost - looks like it may be quite a few multiples of that. If you ever decide to frame the sides post pics - that’s how I think it should be kept too - do understand though that could harm the purity of the piece Yeah, interesting as of course no one knew the box would come with the stencils. At least I didn’t anyway.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Fake on Feb 19, 2019 15:34:00 GMT 1, The original price was around 60K right?
The original price was around 60K right?
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by avec art on Feb 19, 2019 15:39:54 GMT 1, The original price was around 60K right? I think it was £40K + VAT
The original price was around 60K right? I think it was £40K + VAT
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by juveniled on Feb 19, 2019 15:45:13 GMT 1, i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I thought $100,000 seemed pretty high for Christ With Shopping Bags?? That's almost NOLA prices? Is that not considered high now?
www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/creating-a-stage-collection-of-marsha-and-robin-williams-n09977/lot.9.html
I personally do not think it matters which auction house this goes with, any serious collectors will unlikely care at all, they will be hunting out the piece. There are so few original Banksy pieces that come up now that the audience surely will go to whoever is selling... Especially post-shredding intervention at Sotheby's. The market seems red hot.
I could be wrong but I think Bonham's Balloon Girl edition of /25 for 340kGBP in the exact same auction last year is the highest on record for a Banksy edition of that quantity? Any other better similar edition examples elsewhere?
Isn't the guy in charge of post-war / contemporary at Bonham's pretty experienced with street / contemporary art in the London art scene? I seem to remember he was x Lazarides.
My guess is hordes of bidders will flock to this sale and it's going to go crazy high being first to a sell as i'm sure many other owners will hold onto these for quite sometime hoping they go even higher (likely).
i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I thought $100,000 seemed pretty high for Christ With Shopping Bags?? That's almost NOLA prices? Is that not considered high now? www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/creating-a-stage-collection-of-marsha-and-robin-williams-n09977/lot.9.htmlI personally do not think it matters which auction house this goes with, any serious collectors will unlikely care at all, they will be hunting out the piece. There are so few original Banksy pieces that come up now that the audience surely will go to whoever is selling... Especially post-shredding intervention at Sotheby's. The market seems red hot. I could be wrong but I think Bonham's Balloon Girl edition of /25 for 340kGBP in the exact same auction last year is the highest on record for a Banksy edition of that quantity? Any other better similar edition examples elsewhere? Isn't the guy in charge of post-war / contemporary at Bonham's pretty experienced with street / contemporary art in the London art scene? I seem to remember he was x Lazarides. My guess is hordes of bidders will flock to this sale and it's going to go crazy high being first to a sell as i'm sure many other owners will hold onto these for quite sometime hoping they go even higher (likely).
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Shoot Again on Feb 19, 2019 16:05:06 GMT 1, i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. Exactly my thoughts ;-)
i have a feeling this will go for a big number If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. Exactly my thoughts ;-)
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by silvermyn on Feb 19, 2019 17:03:41 GMT 1, If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I thought $100,000 seemed pretty high for Christ With Shopping Bags?? That's almost NOLA prices? Is that not considered high now? www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/creating-a-stage-collection-of-marsha-and-robin-williams-n09977/lot.9.htmlThat one came in at five times the high end estimate! It was a freak result which surprised pretty much everyone watching, but the fact that it was owned by the late Robin Williams did it no harm. It's unlikely to be seen as the new benchmark for CWSB. We'll have to keep an eye on the next auction estimate to find out I guess.
With a low edition number and it being an early print, perhaps $100k should be the benchmark for a CWSB in good condition. However, I feel that the subject matter will hold it back. Your suggestion that the higher and more recent edition NOLA is a similar price to CWSB kind of proves the point.
If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I thought $100,000 seemed pretty high for Christ With Shopping Bags?? That's almost NOLA prices? Is that not considered high now? www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/creating-a-stage-collection-of-marsha-and-robin-williams-n09977/lot.9.htmlThat one came in at five times the high end estimate! It was a freak result which surprised pretty much everyone watching, but the fact that it was owned by the late Robin Williams did it no harm. It's unlikely to be seen as the new benchmark for CWSB. We'll have to keep an eye on the next auction estimate to find out I guess.
With a low edition number and it being an early print, perhaps $100k should be the benchmark for a CWSB in good condition. However, I feel that the subject matter will hold it back. Your suggestion that the higher and more recent edition NOLA is a similar price to CWSB kind of proves the point.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Feb 19, 2019 17:29:26 GMT 1, Perhaps Bonhams is giving the seller better rates than the other auction houses. And anyway, Bonhams is still a relatively high-end auction house whatever you may think of them. Then artnet should have been the place
0% sellers commission on items over 10k and they have good results
Perhaps Bonhams is giving the seller better rates than the other auction houses. And anyway, Bonhams is still a relatively high-end auction house whatever you may think of them. Then artnet should have been the place 0% sellers commission on items over 10k and they have good results
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by ncewnimw on Feb 19, 2019 18:01:07 GMT 1, If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I thought $100,000 seemed pretty high for Christ With Shopping Bags?? That's almost NOLA prices? Is that not considered high now? www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/creating-a-stage-collection-of-marsha-and-robin-williams-n09977/lot.9.htmlI personally do not think it matters which auction house this goes with, any serious collectors will unlikely care at all, they will be hunting out the piece. There are so few original Banksy pieces that come up now that the audience surely will go to whoever is selling... Especially post-shredding intervention at Sotheby's. The market seems red hot. I could be wrong but I think Bonham's Balloon Girl edition of /25 for 340kGBP in the exact same auction last year is the highest on record for a Banksy edition of that quantity? Any other better similar edition examples elsewhere? Isn't the guy in charge of post-war / contemporary at Bonham's pretty experienced with street / contemporary art in the London art scene? I seem to remember he was x Lazarides. My guess is hordes of bidders will flock to this sale and it's going to go crazy high being first to a sell as i'm sure many other owners will hold onto these for quite sometime hoping they go even higher (likely).
If you refer to Ralph Taylor then yes, he’s ex LAZ.
If this doesn't reach multiples of the low estimate, I'm sure that people on here will not hesitate to start slating Bonhams. However, a large grappling hook with rope isn't a very practical piece to display in a collection and (let's face it) a cardboard box is still a cardboard box when it comes to finding a space for it. To top it all it's an image of the emaciated Jesus on a cross which isn't what most of today's generation of collectors want. This is one of the reasons Christ With Shopping Bags doesn't hit levels it should do IMHO. Should two people really want it then the sky is the limit. Will it be Bonham's fault if it doesn't reach outlandish expectations...? For the money, I'm sure that most people would be holding out for an editioned canvas. I thought $100,000 seemed pretty high for Christ With Shopping Bags?? That's almost NOLA prices? Is that not considered high now? www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/creating-a-stage-collection-of-marsha-and-robin-williams-n09977/lot.9.htmlI personally do not think it matters which auction house this goes with, any serious collectors will unlikely care at all, they will be hunting out the piece. There are so few original Banksy pieces that come up now that the audience surely will go to whoever is selling... Especially post-shredding intervention at Sotheby's. The market seems red hot. I could be wrong but I think Bonham's Balloon Girl edition of /25 for 340kGBP in the exact same auction last year is the highest on record for a Banksy edition of that quantity? Any other better similar edition examples elsewhere? Isn't the guy in charge of post-war / contemporary at Bonham's pretty experienced with street / contemporary art in the London art scene? I seem to remember he was x Lazarides. My guess is hordes of bidders will flock to this sale and it's going to go crazy high being first to a sell as i'm sure many other owners will hold onto these for quite sometime hoping they go even higher (likely). If you refer to Ralph Taylor then yes, he’s ex LAZ.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 20:27:22 GMT 1, That one came in at five times the high end estimate! It was a freak result which surprised pretty much everyone watching, but the fact that it was owned by the late Robin Williams did it no harm. It's unlikely to be seen as the new benchmark for CWSB. We'll have to keep an eye on the next auction estimate to find out I guess.
With a low edition number and it being an early print, perhaps $100k should be the benchmark for a CWSB in good condition. However, I feel that the subject matter will hold it back. Your suggestion that the higher and more recent edition NOLA is a similar price to CWSB kind of proves the point.
An estimate of $20k was somewhat low for this so saying that it went for 5 times over doesnt really help value the print. It’s difficult to value, they dont come up for auction / sale that often but I recall that when Laz had a clear out at auction a few years back, early 2015, this went for about £23k.
That one came in at five times the high end estimate! It was a freak result which surprised pretty much everyone watching, but the fact that it was owned by the late Robin Williams did it no harm. It's unlikely to be seen as the new benchmark for CWSB. We'll have to keep an eye on the next auction estimate to find out I guess.
With a low edition number and it being an early print, perhaps $100k should be the benchmark for a CWSB in good condition. However, I feel that the subject matter will hold it back. Your suggestion that the higher and more recent edition NOLA is a similar price to CWSB kind of proves the point.
An estimate of $20k was somewhat low for this so saying that it went for 5 times over doesnt really help value the print. It’s difficult to value, they dont come up for auction / sale that often but I recall that when Laz had a clear out at auction a few years back, early 2015, this went for about £23k.
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Bonhams • Art Auctions • London 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Feb 19, 2019 21:13:18 GMT 1, That one came in at five times the high end estimate! It was a freak result which surprised pretty much everyone watching, but the fact that it was owned by the late Robin Williams did it no harm. It's unlikely to be seen as the new benchmark for CWSB. We'll have to keep an eye on the next auction estimate to find out I guess.
With a low edition number and it being an early print, perhaps $100k should be the benchmark for a CWSB in good condition. However, I feel that the subject matter will hold it back. Your suggestion that the higher and more recent edition NOLA is a similar price to CWSB kind of proves the point.
An estimate of $20k was somewhat low for this so saying that it went for 5 times over doesnt really help value the print. It’s difficult to value, they dont come up for auction / sale that often but I recall that when Laz had a clear out at auction a few years back, early 2015, this went for about £23k. That's some clear out, i had one too. A Walled Off Hotel pencil, pen, tee shirt and i also got 23 pounds for mine
That one came in at five times the high end estimate! It was a freak result which surprised pretty much everyone watching, but the fact that it was owned by the late Robin Williams did it no harm. It's unlikely to be seen as the new benchmark for CWSB. We'll have to keep an eye on the next auction estimate to find out I guess.
With a low edition number and it being an early print, perhaps $100k should be the benchmark for a CWSB in good condition. However, I feel that the subject matter will hold it back. Your suggestion that the higher and more recent edition NOLA is a similar price to CWSB kind of proves the point.
An estimate of $20k was somewhat low for this so saying that it went for 5 times over doesnt really help value the print. It’s difficult to value, they dont come up for auction / sale that often but I recall that when Laz had a clear out at auction a few years back, early 2015, this went for about £23k. That's some clear out, i had one too. A Walled Off Hotel pencil, pen, tee shirt and i also got 23 pounds for mine
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