richskara
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by richskara on Jan 8, 2015 17:44:10 GMT 1, Hi all
A bit of an unusual one and looking for some help. My en pointe was in with my usual framer for framing and sadly the framer has died.
I am not sure if any work was done on it as he was flattening it out and then became ill.
I went past the shop on New Years and found it empty with a notice for customers to contact the lawyer dealing with a administration of the estate.
I emailed him the details and he didn't respond. I have just rang up now and had an unusual conversation with him through his secretary (I didn't speak to him directly just his secretary but he was in room and she kept putting me on hold).
He confirmed he had received my email and that the details had been passed to who was dealing with the shop clean up etc and that it could be some time until I heard back.
I said this was unacceptable as I wanted confirmation my print was there and if there was any risk I would not receive it back. They would not answer I said this was also unacceptable as this was not an asset of the framers but mine and I don't believe any monies were owed due to the likelihood that no work had been performed.
I asked for them to tell me who was dealing with it so I could contact them directly as saw no reason my property could not be returned immediately. She put me on hold and then came back saying I had to email the solicitor to which point we went round in a loop of you are talking to the solicitor he is there in the room with you to you need to email him to me saying I have already emailed him he didn't respond.
Can anyone give me any advice?
Thanks
Hi all
A bit of an unusual one and looking for some help. My en pointe was in with my usual framer for framing and sadly the framer has died.
I am not sure if any work was done on it as he was flattening it out and then became ill.
I went past the shop on New Years and found it empty with a notice for customers to contact the lawyer dealing with a administration of the estate.
I emailed him the details and he didn't respond. I have just rang up now and had an unusual conversation with him through his secretary (I didn't speak to him directly just his secretary but he was in room and she kept putting me on hold).
He confirmed he had received my email and that the details had been passed to who was dealing with the shop clean up etc and that it could be some time until I heard back.
I said this was unacceptable as I wanted confirmation my print was there and if there was any risk I would not receive it back. They would not answer I said this was also unacceptable as this was not an asset of the framers but mine and I don't believe any monies were owed due to the likelihood that no work had been performed.
I asked for them to tell me who was dealing with it so I could contact them directly as saw no reason my property could not be returned immediately. She put me on hold and then came back saying I had to email the solicitor to which point we went round in a loop of you are talking to the solicitor he is there in the room with you to you need to email him to me saying I have already emailed him he didn't respond.
Can anyone give me any advice?
Thanks
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 17:50:27 GMT 1, If possible, go in person to the solicitors office.
If possible, go in person to the solicitors office.
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richskara
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by richskara on Jan 8, 2015 17:52:45 GMT 1, Not immediately possible as based about 60 miles away from the town the framer was in and I work in London in the week. Suspect they're closed at weekends.
Plus if he's not gonna give me info over phone / email don't see what being in person would change other than aggrevating me and me doing/ saying something stupid
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Not immediately possible as based about 60 miles away from the town the framer was in and I work in London in the week. Suspect they're closed at weekends.
Plus if he's not gonna give me info over phone / email don't see what being in person would change other than aggrevating me and me doing/ saying something stupid
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Dellboyy
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by Dellboyy on Jan 8, 2015 17:58:21 GMT 1, Strange situation! Almost sounds like they're trying to pull a fast one! Can you not get legal advice from somewhere, maybe Citizens Advice? Also maybe send an official letter to them requesting the return of the print by recorded delivery so you have proof they've recieved it?
Strange situation! Almost sounds like they're trying to pull a fast one! Can you not get legal advice from somewhere, maybe Citizens Advice? Also maybe send an official letter to them requesting the return of the print by recorded delivery so you have proof they've recieved it?
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richskara
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by richskara on Jan 8, 2015 18:05:38 GMT 1, He has now corresponded through email so I can proof he knows I am chasing this.
I am just puzzled as to why they cannot give a simple assurance that I will receive my item back.
Just seems a queer carry on.
He is very patronising in his email saying he hopes I appreciate that they don't have the items in their offices. Of course I do and I hope he appreciates I can't understand why he can't furnish me with a contact for the team dealing with it when they are likely a mile or two down the road from me and I could arrange to go along and collect my property.
He has now corresponded through email so I can proof he knows I am chasing this.
I am just puzzled as to why they cannot give a simple assurance that I will receive my item back.
Just seems a queer carry on.
He is very patronising in his email saying he hopes I appreciate that they don't have the items in their offices. Of course I do and I hope he appreciates I can't understand why he can't furnish me with a contact for the team dealing with it when they are likely a mile or two down the road from me and I could arrange to go along and collect my property.
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Hairbland
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by Hairbland on Jan 8, 2015 18:13:51 GMT 1, I'm guessing as an unexpected death his affairs largely not in order and to them a small issue of someone's art not high on their list (although at the top of yours). Although it's possible the framer knew Richard Young, and perhaps seeing what Martin Whatson did caused his untimely demise, thus causing your piece to be possibly held as evidence. Sorry, they've just started airing Murder She Wrote mid-afternoons in NYC, running on a bit here...
I'm guessing as an unexpected death his affairs largely not in order and to them a small issue of someone's art not high on their list (although at the top of yours). Although it's possible the framer knew Richard Young, and perhaps seeing what Martin Whatson did caused his untimely demise, thus causing your piece to be possibly held as evidence. Sorry, they've just started airing Murder She Wrote mid-afternoons in NYC, running on a bit here...
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Octopus UK
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by Octopus UK on Jan 8, 2015 18:45:07 GMT 1, Can you prove that the print is yours? Receipt from the framer or a sales receipt? No trying to be aggressive - but how does the solicitor know you are its rightful owner?
Can you prove that the print is yours? Receipt from the framer or a sales receipt? No trying to be aggressive - but how does the solicitor know you are its rightful owner?
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ABC
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by ABC on Jan 8, 2015 18:50:12 GMT 1, I don't think it is a simple as handing it straight back I'm afraid. Please tell me to wind my neck in if I'm wrong but surely everything is now in probate. I take it you have reciepts with your details on as if he has other customers in the same situation then a mediator of some kind will have to deal with the business afairs . I take it he ran the shop on his own? Feel your frustrations for sure.
I don't think it is a simple as handing it straight back I'm afraid. Please tell me to wind my neck in if I'm wrong but surely everything is now in probate. I take it you have reciepts with your details on as if he has other customers in the same situation then a mediator of some kind will have to deal with the business afairs . I take it he ran the shop on his own? Feel your frustrations for sure.
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by WILLYBKLN on Jan 8, 2015 18:54:24 GMT 1, Pretty unique situation to say the least...hope you get it all figured out and quickly.
I think ABC has the right idea, everything in that shop is basically ceased until they figure out what belongs to who and how they can prove so, otherwise I can see random people claiming works that are not theirs causing a s**t show. The legality makes things more time consuming I presume.
Pretty unique situation to say the least...hope you get it all figured out and quickly. I think ABC has the right idea, everything in that shop is basically ceased until they figure out what belongs to who and how they can prove so, otherwise I can see random people claiming works that are not theirs causing a s**t show. The legality makes things more time consuming I presume. |
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by Momo on Jan 8, 2015 19:08:06 GMT 1, I had a similar situation other day... Was just saying yday, I bought a love is the drug by RYCA as a bday present for my gf and got it framed straight away.. Framer held onto it till her bday so would be surprised but in the mean time was done in by the sheriff's office.. Meaning my print was taken illegally as it was my personal property and not of the framing business.. Took ages to sort out.. The day I eventually got in to Take it home I found the glass smashed so threatened them with a suit.. They finally got me new glass and delivered to me 3 weeks after her bday.. So now it'll be Valentines.. Anyway I wish u good luck, keep the faith...
I had a similar situation other day... Was just saying yday, I bought a love is the drug by RYCA as a bday present for my gf and got it framed straight away.. Framer held onto it till her bday so would be surprised but in the mean time was done in by the sheriff's office.. Meaning my print was taken illegally as it was my personal property and not of the framing business.. Took ages to sort out.. The day I eventually got in to Take it home I found the glass smashed so threatened them with a suit.. They finally got me new glass and delivered to me 3 weeks after her bday.. So now it'll be Valentines.. Anyway I wish u good luck, keep the faith...
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kbfrombk
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by kbfrombk on Jan 8, 2015 20:33:55 GMT 1, Send a well written clear letter, even better if an attorney friend can send one, registered/tracked-signature mail, and hold onto a copy of the letter and the mail receipt. Send a CC of the letter to the frame shop itself, in the event the framer's kin are still checking/picking up the shop mail, and perhaps can expedite.
As said above, your single piece of paper is now a smaller part of a much larger estate probate case in which the lawyer is not allowed to simply open the door and let you take whatever you like.
Patience is probably essential here.
Send a well written clear letter, even better if an attorney friend can send one, registered/tracked-signature mail, and hold onto a copy of the letter and the mail receipt. Send a CC of the letter to the frame shop itself, in the event the framer's kin are still checking/picking up the shop mail, and perhaps can expedite.
As said above, your single piece of paper is now a smaller part of a much larger estate probate case in which the lawyer is not allowed to simply open the door and let you take whatever you like.
Patience is probably essential here.
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Matt
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by Matt on Jan 8, 2015 20:43:17 GMT 1, Agree with the above. This is going to take time.
Had a similar case with a pretty expensive car for sale through a specialised dealership and the owner died. It took them months to sort it out, I could see my car in the window and nothing could be done...
Important thing is, from what I learned :
1ยฐ Notify by recorded mail. As lawyers they will be very diligent about adding it to the file. When they start sifting through the inventory, they will first sort those who have proper paper trail in their files
2ยฐ If you have it, attach copy of the COA so it is clear that the MW print nยฐX which is in the shop is yours
Good luck
Agree with the above. This is going to take time.
Had a similar case with a pretty expensive car for sale through a specialised dealership and the owner died. It took them months to sort it out, I could see my car in the window and nothing could be done...
Important thing is, from what I learned :
1ยฐ Notify by recorded mail. As lawyers they will be very diligent about adding it to the file. When they start sifting through the inventory, they will first sort those who have proper paper trail in their files
2ยฐ If you have it, attach copy of the COA so it is clear that the MW print nยฐX which is in the shop is yours
Good luck
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by SW20 on Jan 8, 2015 21:22:42 GMT 1, The solicitor will be dealing with who owns all the stuff. Who inherits the stuff owned by the framer and who has claims for money owing by the framer. So there are a lot of things to be sorted prior to you getting your print back.
As has been said write to them and include a copy of any difinitive proof you have that it's yours eg a reciept from when you bought it with the print number ideally and likewise his reciept that he gave you when you handed it in. Things will be slower if you have no difinitive proof as others can make a claim eg he could have bought it off you etc.
But it probably will be slow as they work on different things at the same time
The solicitor will be dealing with who owns all the stuff. Who inherits the stuff owned by the framer and who has claims for money owing by the framer. So there are a lot of things to be sorted prior to you getting your print back.
As has been said write to them and include a copy of any difinitive proof you have that it's yours eg a reciept from when you bought it with the print number ideally and likewise his reciept that he gave you when you handed it in. Things will be slower if you have no difinitive proof as others can make a claim eg he could have bought it off you etc.
But it probably will be slow as they work on different things at the same time
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richskara
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Print in for framing ... Framer died , by richskara on Jan 8, 2015 21:51:03 GMT 1, Thanks all
Some really helpful advise here.
I think part of the frustration is that the solicitor has outsourced the administration of the contents of the shop to someone else.
Will dig out my confirmation from graffiti prints / receipt / coa from purchase.
The trickier bit is the receipt from the framer. I think I might have one but can't remember we got on really well and occasionally I wouldn't get a receipt from him .... Very stupid I know now!!
Thanks all
Some really helpful advise here.
I think part of the frustration is that the solicitor has outsourced the administration of the contents of the shop to someone else.
Will dig out my confirmation from graffiti prints / receipt / coa from purchase.
The trickier bit is the receipt from the framer. I think I might have one but can't remember we got on really well and occasionally I wouldn't get a receipt from him .... Very stupid I know now!!
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