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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by FЯ on Feb 4, 2015 0:02:36 GMT 1, Sorry just realised that was posted. Oh well, read it twice.
Sorry just realised that was posted. Oh well, read it twice.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 0:15:01 GMT 1, ^ thats a great painting. And makes a great, yet different statement of beauty. Sandra chooses to paint good looking women (To me, anyways, im sure others may differ), shes also choosing to paint pictures of women that look much like herself. Thin, white women. The difference and challenge is, the expectations these women are faced with as people, children, mothers, professionals, etc. Its crazy to think how barbaric we were to women not so long ago... I feel the cages represents that well. My personal opinion. So Thin white women are faced with great diversity and challenges? I dont know if that is true or makes any sense. I would guess that that demographic might have it easier than many other demographics. Again defending her with these type of comments just makes it worse, please just let her art speak for itself and appreciate it for what it is. Or let her speak for herself arrestedmotion.com/2015/02/studio-visit-interviews-sandra-chevrier/
I'm assuming you know exactly how easy it was and is to be Sandra Chevrier? If being a thin white woman on the outside and having a burden of some sort on the inside is what she knows from her own experiences, then let her express those experiences how she wants to.
My last comment on this thread. That article was great, the custom canvases are cool.
^ thats a great painting. And makes a great, yet different statement of beauty. Sandra chooses to paint good looking women (To me, anyways, im sure others may differ), shes also choosing to paint pictures of women that look much like herself. Thin, white women. The difference and challenge is, the expectations these women are faced with as people, children, mothers, professionals, etc. Its crazy to think how barbaric we were to women not so long ago... I feel the cages represents that well. My personal opinion. So Thin white women are faced with great diversity and challenges? I dont know if that is true or makes any sense. I would guess that that demographic might have it easier than many other demographics. Again defending her with these type of comments just makes it worse, please just let her art speak for itself and appreciate it for what it is. Or let her speak for herself arrestedmotion.com/2015/02/studio-visit-interviews-sandra-chevrier/I'm assuming you know exactly how easy it was and is to be Sandra Chevrier? If being a thin white woman on the outside and having a burden of some sort on the inside is what she knows from her own experiences, then let her express those experiences how she wants to. My last comment on this thread. That article was great, the custom canvases are cool. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Collection 1 on Feb 4, 2015 3:06:18 GMT 1, sin: reading your comments I understand that you do not like Sandra's work and I'm totally fine with that. We can't like and be touched by all the same things but if I remember well you have this Stinkfish piece in your collection:
Could you please explain as I really want to understand why someone who doodled on a woman face from a reclaimed magazine is worth way more and doesn't imply ''stealing''?
sin: reading your comments I understand that you do not like Sandra's work and I'm totally fine with that. We can't like and be touched by all the same things but if I remember well you have this Stinkfish piece in your collection: Could you please explain as I really want to understand why someone who doodled on a woman face from a reclaimed magazine is worth way more and doesn't imply ''stealing''?
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 3:45:16 GMT 1, in my mind, whether or not you are a fan of her work, reading opinions that are so polar opposites of one another, and causing so much debate, means she's doing something right
good for her. I think we need more of people absolutely loving or absolutely hating art, rather than people just saying, "it's neat" or "it's just not my thing" (which we all do)
in my mind, whether or not you are a fan of her work, reading opinions that are so polar opposites of one another, and causing so much debate, means she's doing something right
good for her. I think we need more of people absolutely loving or absolutely hating art, rather than people just saying, "it's neat" or "it's just not my thing" (which we all do)
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by sin on Feb 4, 2015 4:00:31 GMT 1, Be happy to.
Thanks for posting that, great piece and great juxtapoziton.
Now, to be fair, I've had the pleasure to work with stinkfish and have a greater understanding of stinks work and process.
To start with the question of theft / appropriation, the point I made before is what is left when you take the borrowed elements away. Now, speaking first soley of the Stinkfish work and then in comparison. The Stinkfish work, his distinct thorns, the interconnection of historic Mexican culture juxtaposed with late mid century female imagery in a found object, really stand together as a complete work. His work would live without the found object and could be replicated on another object and achieve a similar but impact. The magazine image itself isn't art, it couldn't stand alone as a living piece of art.
So in comparison, specifically speaking to appropriation, The Marvel universe elements are well know pieces of someone else's art, they stand alone and could easily be appreciated as art by themselves. They love without Sandra's addition or reuse of them. Her work without then, the pedestrian renderings of idealized and symbolized woemn really evaporates without the taken elements. Go take any of the images in this thread, remove the comics and what are you left with? In comparison there are a number of pieces of Stinkfish work with just the thorns and no found object that are distinct and impactful on their own. I can appreciate the unique vision of the thorn works on their own, the old magazines aren't required to connect wh the work.
Be happy to.
Thanks for posting that, great piece and great juxtapoziton.
Now, to be fair, I've had the pleasure to work with stinkfish and have a greater understanding of stinks work and process.
To start with the question of theft / appropriation, the point I made before is what is left when you take the borrowed elements away. Now, speaking first soley of the Stinkfish work and then in comparison. The Stinkfish work, his distinct thorns, the interconnection of historic Mexican culture juxtaposed with late mid century female imagery in a found object, really stand together as a complete work. His work would live without the found object and could be replicated on another object and achieve a similar but impact. The magazine image itself isn't art, it couldn't stand alone as a living piece of art.
So in comparison, specifically speaking to appropriation, The Marvel universe elements are well know pieces of someone else's art, they stand alone and could easily be appreciated as art by themselves. They love without Sandra's addition or reuse of them. Her work without then, the pedestrian renderings of idealized and symbolized woemn really evaporates without the taken elements. Go take any of the images in this thread, remove the comics and what are you left with? In comparison there are a number of pieces of Stinkfish work with just the thorns and no found object that are distinct and impactful on their own. I can appreciate the unique vision of the thorn works on their own, the old magazines aren't required to connect wh the work.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 4:03:14 GMT 1, You just said photography isn't art and doesn't stand alone as art. (I broke my rule, dammit!)
I'm just poking the bear here.
You just said photography isn't art and doesn't stand alone as art. (I broke my rule, dammit!)
I'm just poking the bear here.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by sin on Feb 4, 2015 4:07:20 GMT 1, You just said photography isn't art and doesn't stand alone as art. (I broke my rule, dammit!) I'm just poking the bear here.
That photography in this case was contract work done for commercial purposes. It would be unlikely to be presented as fine art on its own. Clearly every magazine cover photo isn't a piece of art.
You just said photography isn't art and doesn't stand alone as art. (I broke my rule, dammit!) I'm just poking the bear here. That photography in this case was contract work done for commercial purposes. It would be unlikely to be presented as fine art on its own. Clearly every magazine cover photo isn't a piece of art. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by natstan on Feb 4, 2015 6:30:05 GMT 1, Be happy to. Thanks for posting that, great piece and great juxtapoziton. Now, to be fair, I've had the pleasure to work with stinkfish and have a greater understanding of stinks work and process. To start with the question of theft / appropriation, the point I made before is what is left when you take the borrowed elements away. Now, speaking first soley of the Stinkfish work and then in comparison. The Stinkfish work, his distinct thorns, the interconnection of historic Mexican culture juxtaposed with late mid century female imagery in a found object, really stand together as a complete work. His work would live without the found object and could be replicated on another object and achieve a similar but impact. The magazine image itself isn't art, it couldn't stand alone as a living piece of art. So in comparison, specifically speaking to appropriation, The Marvel universe elements are well know pieces of someone else's art, they stand alone and could easily be appreciated as art by themselves. They love without Sandra's addition or reuse of them. Her work without then, the pedestrian renderings of idealized and symbolized woemn really evaporates without the taken elements. Go take any of the images in this thread, remove the comics and what are you left with? In comparison there are a number of pieces of Stinkfish work with just the thorns and no found object that are distinct and impactful on their own. I can appreciate the unique vision of the thorn works on their own, the old magazines aren't required to connect wh the work.
Not sure if it's a stretched argument on your side. But if u take sandra's paintings and the comics apart, they can stand apart of each other as art on its own (whether SC paints them any better or different than other artists is another topic, but it's not about who paints better sometimes). But in stinkfish's example, you take them apart and you are left with 'one piece of art' (since you said a magazine cover cannot be deemed art). The truth is stinkfish's imagery may not work as well without those found elements to complement as well. I know you may be in love with stinkfish's graphic components, but that doesn't mean it will sit well with the masses. We come back to the same point - one man's poison is another man's art.
Be happy to. Thanks for posting that, great piece and great juxtapoziton. Now, to be fair, I've had the pleasure to work with stinkfish and have a greater understanding of stinks work and process. To start with the question of theft / appropriation, the point I made before is what is left when you take the borrowed elements away. Now, speaking first soley of the Stinkfish work and then in comparison. The Stinkfish work, his distinct thorns, the interconnection of historic Mexican culture juxtaposed with late mid century female imagery in a found object, really stand together as a complete work. His work would live without the found object and could be replicated on another object and achieve a similar but impact. The magazine image itself isn't art, it couldn't stand alone as a living piece of art. So in comparison, specifically speaking to appropriation, The Marvel universe elements are well know pieces of someone else's art, they stand alone and could easily be appreciated as art by themselves. They love without Sandra's addition or reuse of them. Her work without then, the pedestrian renderings of idealized and symbolized woemn really evaporates without the taken elements. Go take any of the images in this thread, remove the comics and what are you left with? In comparison there are a number of pieces of Stinkfish work with just the thorns and no found object that are distinct and impactful on their own. I can appreciate the unique vision of the thorn works on their own, the old magazines aren't required to connect wh the work. Not sure if it's a stretched argument on your side. But if u take sandra's paintings and the comics apart, they can stand apart of each other as art on its own (whether SC paints them any better or different than other artists is another topic, but it's not about who paints better sometimes). But in stinkfish's example, you take them apart and you are left with 'one piece of art' (since you said a magazine cover cannot be deemed art). The truth is stinkfish's imagery may not work as well without those found elements to complement as well. I know you may be in love with stinkfish's graphic components, but that doesn't mean it will sit well with the masses. We come back to the same point - one man's poison is another man's art. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 8:08:17 GMT 1, Be happy to. Thanks for posting that, great piece and great juxtapoziton. Now, to be fair, I've had the pleasure to work with stinkfish and have a greater understanding of stinks work and process. To start with the question of theft / appropriation, the point I made before is what is left when you take the borrowed elements away. Now, speaking first soley of the Stinkfish work and then in comparison. The Stinkfish work, his distinct thorns, the interconnection of historic Mexican culture juxtaposed with late mid century female imagery in a found object, really stand together as a complete work. His work would live without the found object and could be replicated on another object and achieve a similar but impact. The magazine image itself isn't art, it couldn't stand alone as a living piece of art. So in comparison, specifically speaking to appropriation, The Marvel universe elements are well know pieces of someone else's art, they stand alone and could easily be appreciated as art by themselves. They love without Sandra's addition or reuse of them. Her work without then, the pedestrian renderings of idealized and symbolized woemn really evaporates without the taken elements. Go take any of the images in this thread, remove the comics and what are you left with? In comparison there are a number of pieces of Stinkfish work with just the thorns and no found object that are distinct and impactful on their own. I can appreciate the unique vision of the thorn works on their own, the old magazines aren't required to connect wh the work. Not sure if it's a stretched argument on your side. But if u take sandra's paintings and the comics apart, they can stand apart of each other as art on its own (whether SC paints them any better or different than other artists is another topic, but it's not about who paints better sometimes). But in stinkfish's example, you take them apart and you are left with 'one piece of art' (since you said a magazine cover cannot be deemed art). The truth is stinkfish's imagery may not work as well without those found elements to complement as well. I know you may be in love with stinkfish's graphic components, but that doesn't mean it will sit well with the masses. We come back to the same point - one man's poison is another man's art.
This said, I really like Stinkfish's artwork, I really dislike Sandra's artwork... for the simple reason I am a tattoo fan, a Dr Lakra fan and love the South-American and Mexican culture... furthermore, Stinkfish is a graffiti artist which is relevant with forum. I dislike Sandra for the beautiful nude which is really not my state (a bit brothel art if you ask me) and not a fan of the Marvel universe.
This said, Sandra is doing well which is great for her. I just deplore the fact that I have a strange feeling that she is getting hyped here by some users who like to post controversial statements and sometimes harsh aimed to hurt and to get the conversation going.
Speaking about Marvel, I hope Sandra knows that Marvel don't joke with copyright issues
sin - is that Stinkfish an original ?
sake - Yep, beauty sells and has been there in art for many centuries !! Nudity got its pick during the romanticism, symbolism, art nouveau period -
Religion sells too  and if you mix both sex and religion, you get a good controversial cocktail  Check here for a gallery of controversial art - (especially Heinrich Lossow and Félicien Rops - upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/F%C3%A9licien_Rops_-_Pornokrat%C3%A8s_-_1878_%282%29.jpg)
Have a sexy day !
Be happy to. Thanks for posting that, great piece and great juxtapoziton. Now, to be fair, I've had the pleasure to work with stinkfish and have a greater understanding of stinks work and process. To start with the question of theft / appropriation, the point I made before is what is left when you take the borrowed elements away. Now, speaking first soley of the Stinkfish work and then in comparison. The Stinkfish work, his distinct thorns, the interconnection of historic Mexican culture juxtaposed with late mid century female imagery in a found object, really stand together as a complete work. His work would live without the found object and could be replicated on another object and achieve a similar but impact. The magazine image itself isn't art, it couldn't stand alone as a living piece of art. So in comparison, specifically speaking to appropriation, The Marvel universe elements are well know pieces of someone else's art, they stand alone and could easily be appreciated as art by themselves. They love without Sandra's addition or reuse of them. Her work without then, the pedestrian renderings of idealized and symbolized woemn really evaporates without the taken elements. Go take any of the images in this thread, remove the comics and what are you left with? In comparison there are a number of pieces of Stinkfish work with just the thorns and no found object that are distinct and impactful on their own. I can appreciate the unique vision of the thorn works on their own, the old magazines aren't required to connect wh the work. Not sure if it's a stretched argument on your side. But if u take sandra's paintings and the comics apart, they can stand apart of each other as art on its own (whether SC paints them any better or different than other artists is another topic, but it's not about who paints better sometimes). But in stinkfish's example, you take them apart and you are left with 'one piece of art' (since you said a magazine cover cannot be deemed art). The truth is stinkfish's imagery may not work as well without those found elements to complement as well. I know you may be in love with stinkfish's graphic components, but that doesn't mean it will sit well with the masses. We come back to the same point - one man's poison is another man's art. Speaking about appropriation, natstan is right indeed about Stinkfish's graphic... This said, I really like Stinkfish's artwork, I really dislike Sandra's artwork... for the simple reason I am a tattoo fan, a Dr Lakra fan and love the South-American and Mexican culture... furthermore, Stinkfish is a graffiti artist which is relevant with forum. I dislike Sandra for the beautiful nude which is really not my state ( a bit brothel art if you ask me) and not a fan of the Marvel universe. This said, Sandra is doing well which is great for her. I just deplore the fact that I have a strange feeling that she is getting hyped here by some users who like to post controversial statements and sometimes harsh aimed to hurt and to get the conversation going. Speaking about Marvel, I hope Sandra knows that Marvel don't joke with copyright issues sin - is that Stinkfish an original ? sake - Yep, beauty sells and has been there in art for many centuries !! Nudity got its pick during the romanticism, symbolism, art nouveau period - Religion sells too and if you mix both sex and religion, you get a good controversial cocktail Check here for a gallery of controversial art - (especially Heinrich Lossow and Félicien Rops - upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/F%C3%A9licien_Rops_-_Pornokrat%C3%A8s_-_1878_%282%29.jpg)Have a sexy day ! |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by andyroo0312 on Feb 4, 2015 9:05:12 GMT 1, sin: reading your comments I understand that you do not like Sandra's work and I'm totally fine with that. We can't like and be touched by all the same things but if I remember well you have this Stinkfish piece in your collection: Could you please explain as I really want to understand why someone who doodled on a woman face from a reclaimed magazine is worth way more and doesn't imply ''stealing''? 
sin: reading your comments I understand that you do not like Sandra's work and I'm totally fine with that. We can't like and be touched by all the same things but if I remember well you have this Stinkfish piece in your collection: Could you please explain as I really want to understand why someone who doodled on a woman face from a reclaimed magazine is worth way more and doesn't imply ''stealing''? I don't think there would be to many Maori,s that would like this. Hint of the day never piss off a Maori, you ever see " Once Were Warriors" |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 10:37:05 GMT 1, I always want to say Sandra Chevrolet, and the other one is Audrey Kawasaki.
I always want to say Sandra Chevrolet, and the other one is Audrey Kawasaki.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 14:54:49 GMT 1, I always want to say Sandra Chevrolet, and the other one is Audrey Kawasaki.
Must be the accent 
I always want to say Sandra Chevrolet, and the other one is Audrey Kawasaki. Must be the accent |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by sin on Feb 4, 2015 16:29:04 GMT 1, sin - is that Stinkfish an original ?
Yes @thebigboss, got it from the nice folks at Inner State in Detroit a few years back.
Have since added another magazine piece, a piece on paper, and two pieces on found object.
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Regarding the rest, I believe we have officially belabored the discussion.
The one thing I can't thumb my nose as it someones success, regardless of my critique of their work. We all deserve to be rewarded for hard work by achieving success in our fields. Anyone who gets a solo at JLG has absolutely reached a defining moment in their career. JLG will likely sell out and a new york (or london) sell out is a critical point in an artists progression.
sin - is that Stinkfish an original ? Yes @thebigboss, got it from the nice folks at Inner State in Detroit a few years back. Have since added another magazine piece, a piece on paper, and two pieces on found object. ---- Regarding the rest, I believe we have officially belabored the discussion. The one thing I can't thumb my nose as it someones success, regardless of my critique of their work. We all deserve to be rewarded for hard work by achieving success in our fields. Anyone who gets a solo at JLG has absolutely reached a defining moment in their career. JLG will likely sell out and a new york (or london) sell out is a critical point in an artists progression. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 3:55:04 GMT 1, just saw SC's FB post "Collaboration with Chris Brown, why not!!" Is that THE Chris Brown (the one who beat up Rihanna), or is there another Chris Brown I'm not aware of? I'm hoping it's someone else - she's too strong of a female voice to be working with that clown
just saw SC's FB post "Collaboration with Chris Brown, why not!!" Is that THE Chris Brown (the one who beat up Rihanna), or is there another Chris Brown I'm not aware of? I'm hoping it's someone else - she's too strong of a female voice to be working with that clown
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by sake on Feb 5, 2015 8:47:34 GMT 1, Seeing the comments SC have on FB and insta I'm certain a little bird is informing her of the discussion going on
Couldnt find the Chris Brown comment and not a big fan. Maybe he's out to renew his image and try to break away from "domestic violence" - Brown and into a more female friendly version?
Seeing the comments SC have on FB and insta I'm certain a little bird is informing her of the discussion going on Couldnt find the Chris Brown comment and not a big fan. Maybe he's out to renew his image and try to break away from "domestic violence" - Brown and into a more female friendly version? |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Feb 5, 2015 9:26:48 GMT 1, just saw SC's FB post "Collaboration with Chris Brown, why not!!" Is that THE Chris Brown (the one who beat up Rihanna), or is there another Chris Brown I'm not aware of? I'm hoping it's someone else - she's too strong of a female voice to be working with that clown
just saw SC's FB post "Collaboration with Chris Brown, why not!!" Is that THE Chris Brown (the one who beat up Rihanna), or is there another Chris Brown I'm not aware of? I'm hoping it's someone else - she's too strong of a female voice to be working with that clown To each their own I guess. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by dreadnatty on Feb 7, 2015 1:35:47 GMT 1, Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 1:38:52 GMT 1, Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner.
is that a photograph or a painting? Both ? Hard to see on my tablet
Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner. is that a photograph or a painting? Both ? Hard to see on my tablet |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by dreadnatty on Feb 7, 2015 1:42:08 GMT 1, Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner. is that a photograph or a painting? Both ? Hard to see on my tablet
Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner. is that a photograph or a painting? Both ? Hard to see on my tablet Not sure. Doesnt say on her IG but I would think both |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Con Art Studio on Feb 7, 2015 4:07:39 GMT 1, Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner.
Her Instagram post clearly states that image is an homage to her work... Kind of makes her work look more gimmicky, or less special/meaningful, when a fan can create the same look, using a photo and Photoshop, and people think it's her work.
Not the biggest Sandra fan but this one is a stunner. Her Instagram post clearly states that image is an homage to her work... Kind of makes her work look more gimmicky, or less special/meaningful, when a fan can create the same look, using a photo and Photoshop, and people think it's her work. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by andyroo0312 on Feb 7, 2015 4:16:28 GMT 1, is that a photograph or a painting? Both ? Hard to see on my tablet Not sure. Doesnt say on her IG but I would think both
is that a photograph or a painting? Both ? Hard to see on my tablet Not sure. Doesnt say on her IG but I would think both I understand the message in SC,s work but i do not see how that can be transferred to a 5yr old kid that more than likely is from a middle class well to do family that live in the suburbs. Lovely looking child reminds me of my daughter when she was 5 with out the comics tho.. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 4:22:14 GMT 1, The fact anyone thought this as hers baffles me.
The fact anyone thought this as hers baffles me.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by dreadnatty on Feb 7, 2015 4:29:00 GMT 1, I guess I still dont like her all that much. Actually prefer this one but what do I know?
I guess I still dont like her all that much. Actually prefer this one but what do I know?
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Feb 7, 2015 9:59:32 GMT 1, I think both the Borondo thread and the Dran thread will keep the Sandra C thread hidden for a bit, maybe people will forget she enthusiastically embraced a new collaboration with convicted women beater Chris Brown adding more irony to her women empowering Cage series of work. Also you are making up nonsense. she never collaborated with chris brown, he just liked something of hers on instagram. it is the same as me claiming that Borondo collaborated with Justin Bieber. 
Just for Fun 
I think both the Borondo thread and the Dran thread will keep the Sandra C thread hidden for a bit, maybe people will forget she enthusiastically embraced a new collaboration with convicted women beater Chris Brown adding more irony to her women empowering Cage series of work. Also you are making up nonsense. she never collaborated with chris brown, he just liked something of hers on instagram. it is the same as me claiming that Borondo collaborated with Justin Bieber. Just for Fun |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by eschiff on Feb 7, 2015 10:06:42 GMT 1, Also you are making up nonsense. she never collaborated with chris brown, he just liked something of hers on instagram. it is the same as me claiming that Borondo collaborated with Justin Bieber. Just for Fun
Haha cmon you know facts don't matter to freerange if they don't support his investment! Time to shift the collages while you can still get 50 cents on the dollar for them.
Also you are making up nonsense. she never collaborated with chris brown, he just liked something of hers on instagram. it is the same as me claiming that Borondo collaborated with Justin Bieber. Just for Fun Haha cmon you know facts don't matter to freerange if they don't support his investment! Time to shift the collages while you can still get 50 cents on the dollar for them. |
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Dr Plip on Feb 7, 2015 10:08:43 GMT 1, Ah. Maybe the comic panels are used to hide the marks of domestic violence?
Ah. Maybe the comic panels are used to hide the marks of domestic violence?
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by Mirus Gallery Poesia on Feb 7, 2015 10:45:09 GMT 1, The thing is I have nothing against Sandra I am just using the rise of an artist like this to illustrate some issues with the market and that we should temper back a little on expectations. Not that FR will ever be realistic about it but I personally don't have an issue with Sandra as an artist. I am not a fan of her work but its due to my taste not her personally. But for this subject with Chris Brown I think it is more a character issue than an art issue, and should we care about what painters do in there spare time.
Whats tough is when an artist gets to this level and we start to critique and ask questions about it or the progression, concept, etc. The artist gets caught in the crossfire between forum members trying to make a point at the expense of the artist at times, but that's a byproduct of success to a point. What also is a byproduct now is that the artist will be scrutinized for what they do in real life as well, as in this case with Chris Brown. This was why I posed the question directly to Sandra on Twitter about working with Chris Brown a convicted women beater. Those were her responses.
To me she is a bit naive in thinking its not a big deal, but that just illustrates to me her lack of awareness about the issue. A lack of understanding of her work and what women think about people like Chris Brown who have beaten women. As she really is casual about it, which is weird because her work is contrary to that position. This is something that we can debate about, does it matter what an artist does in their life if it contradicts the reason people buy their work.
Believe me Chris Brown is not the worse guy in the world, but it seems that anyone that cares about women's rights regardless of how famous a person was would have some standards. By standards I mean if your are Pro something, wouldn't you be pro that thing regardless of celebrity status. Maybe I am off or wrong on this, it just doesn't make sense and her tone seems so naive its odd.
The thing is I have nothing against Sandra I am just using the rise of an artist like this to illustrate some issues with the market and that we should temper back a little on expectations. Not that FR will ever be realistic about it but I personally don't have an issue with Sandra as an artist. I am not a fan of her work but its due to my taste not her personally. But for this subject with Chris Brown I think it is more a character issue than an art issue, and should we care about what painters do in there spare time.
Whats tough is when an artist gets to this level and we start to critique and ask questions about it or the progression, concept, etc. The artist gets caught in the crossfire between forum members trying to make a point at the expense of the artist at times, but that's a byproduct of success to a point. What also is a byproduct now is that the artist will be scrutinized for what they do in real life as well, as in this case with Chris Brown. This was why I posed the question directly to Sandra on Twitter about working with Chris Brown a convicted women beater. Those were her responses.
To me she is a bit naive in thinking its not a big deal, but that just illustrates to me her lack of awareness about the issue. A lack of understanding of her work and what women think about people like Chris Brown who have beaten women. As she really is casual about it, which is weird because her work is contrary to that position. This is something that we can debate about, does it matter what an artist does in their life if it contradicts the reason people buy their work.
Believe me Chris Brown is not the worse guy in the world, but it seems that anyone that cares about women's rights regardless of how famous a person was would have some standards. By standards I mean if your are Pro something, wouldn't you be pro that thing regardless of celebrity status. Maybe I am off or wrong on this, it just doesn't make sense and her tone seems so naive its odd.
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Best Sandra Chevrier Image, by FЯ on Feb 7, 2015 10:47:28 GMT 1, The thing is I have nothing against Sandra I am just using the rise of an artist like this to illustrate some issues with the market and that we should temper back a little on expectations. Not that FR will ever be realistic about it but I personally don't have an issue with Sandra as an artist. But for this subject with Chris Brown I think it is more a character issue than an art issue, and should we care about what painters do in there spare time. Whats tough about when an artist gets to this level and we start to critique and ask questions about it or the progression, concept, etc. The artist gets caught in the crossfire between forum members trying to make a point at the expense of the artist at times, but that's a byproduct of success to a point. What also is a byproduct now is that the artist will be scrutinized for what they do in real life as well, as in this case with Chris Brown. This was why I posed the question directly to Sandra on Twitter about working with Chris Brown a convicted women beater. Those were her responses. To me she is a bit naive in thinking its not a big deal, but that just illustrates to me her lack of awareness about the issue. A lack of understanding of her work and what women think about people like Chris Brown who have beaten women. As she really is casual about it, which is weird because her work is contrary to that position. This is something that we can debate about, does it matter what an artist does in their life if it contradicts the reason people buy their work. Believe me Chris Brown is not the worse guy in the world, but it seems that anyone that cares about women's rights regardless of how famous a person was would have some standards. By standards I mean if your are Pro something, wouldn't you be pro that thing regardless of celebrity status. Maybe I am off or wrong on this, it just doesn't make sense and her tone seems so naive its odd.
The thing is I have nothing against Sandra I am just using the rise of an artist like this to illustrate some issues with the market and that we should temper back a little on expectations. Not that FR will ever be realistic about it but I personally don't have an issue with Sandra as an artist. But for this subject with Chris Brown I think it is more a character issue than an art issue, and should we care about what painters do in there spare time. Whats tough about when an artist gets to this level and we start to critique and ask questions about it or the progression, concept, etc. The artist gets caught in the crossfire between forum members trying to make a point at the expense of the artist at times, but that's a byproduct of success to a point. What also is a byproduct now is that the artist will be scrutinized for what they do in real life as well, as in this case with Chris Brown. This was why I posed the question directly to Sandra on Twitter about working with Chris Brown a convicted women beater. Those were her responses. To me she is a bit naive in thinking its not a big deal, but that just illustrates to me her lack of awareness about the issue. A lack of understanding of her work and what women think about people like Chris Brown who have beaten women. As she really is casual about it, which is weird because her work is contrary to that position. This is something that we can debate about, does it matter what an artist does in their life if it contradicts the reason people buy their work. Believe me Chris Brown is not the worse guy in the world, but it seems that anyone that cares about women's rights regardless of how famous a person was would have some standards. By standards I mean if your are Pro something, wouldn't you be pro that thing regardless of celebrity status. Maybe I am off or wrong on this, it just doesn't make sense and her tone seems so naive its odd. She gave you her answer in the first line of the first tweet. |
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