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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 3:49:43 GMT 1, Why are so many of us grumpy and nasty to each other on a discussion forum related to an artist who clearly has such a wonderful sense of humour?
Discuss, Ignore or Flame
Why are so many of us grumpy and nasty to each other on a discussion forum related to an artist who clearly has such a wonderful sense of humour?
Discuss, Ignore or Flame
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South Bound
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Why So Serious?, by South Bound on Mar 6, 2015 4:02:04 GMT 1, When anonymity comes into the picture people tend to lose civility and forget the rule we are taught as children:
Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
It's a shame.
When anonymity comes into the picture people tend to lose civility and forget the rule we are taught as children:
Treat others the way you would like to be treated.
It's a shame.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 4:17:35 GMT 1, It's not so much of how I would like to be treated, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling good about myself, is most important . Harm to others cause harm to self. The way people treat others reflect how they feel about themselves. Sadly most people don't realise this. When pointing with one finger at others three is pointing at self. Absolutely. Cannot like this enough. (just realized I cannot Like it at all)
It's not so much of how I would like to be treated, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling good about myself, is most important . Harm to others cause harm to self. The way people treat others reflect how they feel about themselves. Sadly most people don't realise this. When pointing with one finger at others three is pointing at self. Absolutely. Cannot like this enough. (just realized I cannot Like it at all)
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Howard Johnson
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Why So Serious?, by Howard Johnson on Mar 6, 2015 4:22:26 GMT 1, Any and everything having to do with, or the possibility to effect, the Banksy market seems to drive people insane. Personally, I think this is due to the fact that Banksy prints now require such a substantial investment, people are becoming extremely sensitive to posts/threads/ect that they seem as potentially damaging to their investment, and in turn valuing the investment aspect of collecting over the joy of connecting with a community that art collecting provides.
The whole backdoor argument is the perfect example of this. Sure, there are some well meaning members that genuinely want to protect naive collectors, but that altruism cannot cover all the intense opinions/emotions that come up when backdoors are mentioned. Whether consciously or unconsciously people don't wan't alternatives to their expensive prints to exist. This concept can also maybe explain the intense gorilla mask knock off discussion earlier today.
On the flip side, threads having to do with acquisitions, framing, and all the other fun sh*t about art collecting, usually have positive and encouraging discussion. Maybe the solution is to segregate market/investment discussions to a separate part of the forum?
Any and everything having to do with, or the possibility to effect, the Banksy market seems to drive people insane. Personally, I think this is due to the fact that Banksy prints now require such a substantial investment, people are becoming extremely sensitive to posts/threads/ect that they seem as potentially damaging to their investment, and in turn valuing the investment aspect of collecting over the joy of connecting with a community that art collecting provides.
The whole backdoor argument is the perfect example of this. Sure, there are some well meaning members that genuinely want to protect naive collectors, but that altruism cannot cover all the intense opinions/emotions that come up when backdoors are mentioned. Whether consciously or unconsciously people don't wan't alternatives to their expensive prints to exist. This concept can also maybe explain the intense gorilla mask knock off discussion earlier today.
On the flip side, threads having to do with acquisitions, framing, and all the other fun sh*t about art collecting, usually have positive and encouraging discussion. Maybe the solution is to segregate market/investment discussions to a separate part of the forum?
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Why So Serious?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 6, 2015 4:40:02 GMT 1, Correct Chris.. for a long time this forum has been like any other financial forum ie. People arguing/disagreeing about any other market - shares, house prices, oil and gas etc. I just don't get involved with all the b**ching about prices and it's amazing how quickly threads de rail. Your last paragraph lists the good about the forum. I have for a long time also said that all sales thread should not show up in the recent threads, this would take some of the crap away and it's not hard for people to go find the sales thread on their own accord if they wish..The majority are only here for the profit and it will always be the case. And people crying and leaving the forum? What's all that about? There's way more important things in your life than leaving some muppet on the Internet ruining your day/life, jut tell them to get f**ked and move on FFS..
Correct Chris.. for a long time this forum has been like any other financial forum ie. People arguing/disagreeing about any other market - shares, house prices, oil and gas etc. I just don't get involved with all the b**ching about prices and it's amazing how quickly threads de rail. Your last paragraph lists the good about the forum. I have for a long time also said that all sales thread should not show up in the recent threads, this would take some of the crap away and it's not hard for people to go find the sales thread on their own accord if they wish..The majority are only here for the profit and it will always be the case. And people crying and leaving the forum? What's all that about? There's way more important things in your life than leaving some muppet on the Internet ruining your day/life, jut tell them to get f**ked and move on FFS..
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Wilson
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Why So Serious?, by Wilson on Mar 6, 2015 7:20:20 GMT 1, I have Tourettes. Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck. Sorry 'bout that. Ahem
I have Tourettes. Fuck fuck fuckity fuck fuck. Sorry 'bout that. Ahem
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dashboll
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Why So Serious?, by dashboll on Mar 6, 2015 8:18:46 GMT 1, It's not so much of how I would like to be treated, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling good about myself, is most important . Harm to others cause harm to self. The way people treat others reflect how they feel about themselves. Sadly most people don't realise this. When pointing with one finger at others three is pointing at self. Absolutely. Cannot like this enough. (just realized I cannot Like it at all)
haha maybe that's the problem, it's got worse since the like disappeared on non-mobiles
It's not so much of how I would like to be treated, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling good about myself, is most important . Harm to others cause harm to self. The way people treat others reflect how they feel about themselves. Sadly most people don't realise this. When pointing with one finger at others three is pointing at self. Absolutely. Cannot like this enough. (just realized I cannot Like it at all)
haha maybe that's the problem, it's got worse since the like disappeared on non-mobiles
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natstan
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Why So Serious?, by natstan on Mar 6, 2015 8:18:39 GMT 1, I visit the other art forum artchival sometimes, and find the people there less vocal and more patient, if that is the right word to use. I do wonder why certain individuals (not naming anyone) here seem to always start a conversation in a sarcastic or i'm mightier than thou attitude, and if they really behave that way in a real life setting.
I visit the other art forum artchival sometimes, and find the people there less vocal and more patient, if that is the right word to use. I do wonder why certain individuals (not naming anyone) here seem to always start a conversation in a sarcastic or i'm mightier than thou attitude, and if they really behave that way in a real life setting.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 8:27:26 GMT 1, Any and everything having to do with, or the possibility to effect, the Banksy market seems to drive people insane. Personally, I think this is due to the fact that Banksy prints now require such a substantial investment, people are becoming extremely sensitive to posts/threads/ect that they seem as potentially damaging to their investment, and in turn valuing the investment aspect of collecting over the joy of connecting with a community that art collecting provides. The whole backdoor argument is the perfect example of this. Sure, there are some well meaning members that genuinely want to protect naive collectors, but that altruism cannot cover all the intense opinions/emotions that come up when backdoors are mentioned. Whether consciously or unconsciously people don't wan't alternatives to their expensive prints to exist. This concept can also maybe explain the intense gorilla mask knock off discussion earlier today. On the flip side, threads having to do with acquisitions, framing, and all the other fun sh*t about art collecting, usually have positive and encouraging discussion. Maybe the solution is to segregate market/investment discussions to a separate part of the forum? That is not true, i have banksy's and my intolerance to the patheticness isnt to do with investment. What gets up my nose is the stupidity level goes through the roof in most threads, seems like the intelligent, wittier, comments get drowned out by the incessant comments but people who seem to know fuck all about what they are talking about.
Maybe limit the number of posts people can comment on threads. Maybe people would be more considerate about what they say.
Any and everything having to do with, or the possibility to effect, the Banksy market seems to drive people insane. Personally, I think this is due to the fact that Banksy prints now require such a substantial investment, people are becoming extremely sensitive to posts/threads/ect that they seem as potentially damaging to their investment, and in turn valuing the investment aspect of collecting over the joy of connecting with a community that art collecting provides. The whole backdoor argument is the perfect example of this. Sure, there are some well meaning members that genuinely want to protect naive collectors, but that altruism cannot cover all the intense opinions/emotions that come up when backdoors are mentioned. Whether consciously or unconsciously people don't wan't alternatives to their expensive prints to exist. This concept can also maybe explain the intense gorilla mask knock off discussion earlier today. On the flip side, threads having to do with acquisitions, framing, and all the other fun sh*t about art collecting, usually have positive and encouraging discussion. Maybe the solution is to segregate market/investment discussions to a separate part of the forum? That is not true, i have banksy's and my intolerance to the patheticness isnt to do with investment. What gets up my nose is the stupidity level goes through the roof in most threads, seems like the intelligent, wittier, comments get drowned out by the incessant comments but people who seem to know fuck all about what they are talking about. Maybe limit the number of posts people can comment on threads. Maybe people would be more considerate about what they say.
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sake
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Why So Serious?, by sake on Mar 6, 2015 9:34:45 GMT 1, Jeezuz Jones Snr Howard Johnson
Pretty sure removing the for sale threads from active threads would remove alot of the problem. At least camouflage it from the rest of us.
I'm sure that moving the financial part of the discussions to a different part of the forum would make most of the threads a better read. It would also remove a lot of the hypocrisy regarding the financial aspect of the discussions.
Jeezuz Jones Snr Howard JohnsonPretty sure removing the for sale threads from active threads would remove alot of the problem. At least camouflage it from the rest of us. I'm sure that moving the financial part of the discussions to a different part of the forum would make most of the threads a better read. It would also remove a lot of the hypocrisy regarding the financial aspect of the discussions.
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alittle
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Why So Serious?, by alittle on Mar 6, 2015 9:52:20 GMT 1, Just what we need; more subforums!
Just what we need; more subforums!
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sake
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Why So Serious?, by sake on Mar 6, 2015 9:58:54 GMT 1, Rather than just adding I wouldnt mind removing a whole lot as well.. Like all artist forums, they are mostly dead anyway
Just what we need; more subforums!
Rather than just adding I wouldnt mind removing a whole lot as well.. Like all artist forums, they are mostly dead anyway Just what we need; more subforums!
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alittle
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Why So Serious?, by alittle on Mar 6, 2015 10:01:07 GMT 1, Totally agreed. I think 95% of the subforums could go.
Totally agreed. I think 95% of the subforums could go.
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avec art
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Why So Serious?, by avec art on Mar 6, 2015 10:04:03 GMT 1, I agree here with dashboll, the situation seems to have got worse since the forum mechanism started to break down. Do pro boards know how to fix it, or do they even understand it's broken?
I agree here with dashboll, the situation seems to have got worse since the forum mechanism started to break down. Do pro boards know how to fix it, or do they even understand it's broken?
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Why So Serious?, by Coach on Mar 6, 2015 12:00:17 GMT 1, It's not so much of how I would like to be treated, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling good about myself, is most important . Harm to others cause harm to self. The way people treat others reflect how they feel about themselves. Sadly most people don't realise this. When pointing with one finger at others three is pointing at self.
Wonderful Nordic! I do agree with you.
It's not so much of how I would like to be treated, I spend all my time with myself. Feeling good about myself, is most important . Harm to others cause harm to self. The way people treat others reflect how they feel about themselves. Sadly most people don't realise this. When pointing with one finger at others three is pointing at self. Wonderful Nordic! I do agree with you.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:12:21 GMT 1, I love you guys and girls, even when I hate you guys and girls.
I love you guys and girls, even when I hate you guys and girls.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:14:12 GMT 1, we cant all be the same and always agree. We aint sheep.
we cant all be the same and always agree. We aint sheep.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 13:58:48 GMT 1, True Ploppi, but we can disagree with respect and maybe a bit of humour rather than vitriol, right.
True Ploppi, but we can disagree with respect and maybe a bit of humour rather than vitriol, right.
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Hairbland
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Why So Serious?, by Hairbland on Mar 6, 2015 14:15:17 GMT 1, we cant all be the same and always agree. We aint sheep.
No one expects that. It's the usual anonymity creating bullies in the comments section, happens everywhere and is a well-documented issue.
Most here are civil.
we cant all be the same and always agree. We aint sheep. No one expects that. It's the usual anonymity creating bullies in the comments section, happens everywhere and is a well-documented issue. Most here are civil.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 14:17:42 GMT 1, we cant all be the same and always agree. We aint sheep. No one expects that. It's the usual anonymity creating bullies in the comments section, happens everywhere and is a well-documented issue. Most here are civil. True, most are civil and reminds me that I tend to focus on the negative aspects of life/society rather than all the good around me. Nice reminder, thanks.
we cant all be the same and always agree. We aint sheep. No one expects that. It's the usual anonymity creating bullies in the comments section, happens everywhere and is a well-documented issue. Most here are civil. True, most are civil and reminds me that I tend to focus on the negative aspects of life/society rather than all the good around me. Nice reminder, thanks.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 14:37:18 GMT 1, I guess it all depends on peoples motives and personality cults and cliques.
This is called Banksy forum, because Banksy name attracts people and it's a great forum for urban and street art.
I have seen people insult very talented lesser known artists who knock spots off some the well loved big name artists because it's all about the money to some who see money and slick marketing of the same old and sometimes unoriginal shit as great.
I just see the art and don't care if it's done by a big name or an unknown.
PR team and marketing and hype is Ok and it's good business prcatice and Saatchi proved that people will always buy crap if it's promoted in the media.
I got attacked when I criticised Monsieur Brainwash NY mural and made the mistake (on here) of saying what it looked like to me. Quite a few people on various blogs and comments ssextion said similar things about Brainwash
I also got insulted when saying what I thought about Banksy and his PR etc by some alledgedly in the know people on here who attacked me for saying what I think yet refused to say why they knew I was wrong.
Bit of baiting and insulting going on in order to get people to react and get them banned behind their back.
I don't mind being insulted, i'm thick skinned but I do bite back sometimes and reply bluntly (and it's usually when people who insult that get a sharp response go crying to mummy.)
Then I forget about it, it's all water off a ducks bridge n all that.
I'm sure if Brainwash did a gorilla print with glitter mask and chucked some paint on it, no one would slag him off like they did Fed.
Of course thats because people like Brainy wosh and Banksy etc do't interact on forums directly as more than likely they don't have anything interesting to say contribute and can't handle any form of criticism or debate.
Of course I may be wide of the mark here but some people only allow positive critique and adulation.
It's all a lot of Hype and business for some.
I guess it all depends on peoples motives and personality cults and cliques.
This is called Banksy forum, because Banksy name attracts people and it's a great forum for urban and street art.
I have seen people insult very talented lesser known artists who knock spots off some the well loved big name artists because it's all about the money to some who see money and slick marketing of the same old and sometimes unoriginal shit as great.
I just see the art and don't care if it's done by a big name or an unknown.
PR team and marketing and hype is Ok and it's good business prcatice and Saatchi proved that people will always buy crap if it's promoted in the media.
I got attacked when I criticised Monsieur Brainwash NY mural and made the mistake (on here) of saying what it looked like to me. Quite a few people on various blogs and comments ssextion said similar things about Brainwash
I also got insulted when saying what I thought about Banksy and his PR etc by some alledgedly in the know people on here who attacked me for saying what I think yet refused to say why they knew I was wrong.
Bit of baiting and insulting going on in order to get people to react and get them banned behind their back.
I don't mind being insulted, i'm thick skinned but I do bite back sometimes and reply bluntly (and it's usually when people who insult that get a sharp response go crying to mummy.)
Then I forget about it, it's all water off a ducks bridge n all that.
I'm sure if Brainwash did a gorilla print with glitter mask and chucked some paint on it, no one would slag him off like they did Fed.
Of course thats because people like Brainy wosh and Banksy etc do't interact on forums directly as more than likely they don't have anything interesting to say contribute and can't handle any form of criticism or debate.
Of course I may be wide of the mark here but some people only allow positive critique and adulation.
It's all a lot of Hype and business for some.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 14:49:27 GMT 1, Of course I may be wide of the mark here but some people only allow positive critique and adulation. I'd say you hit the mark, dead center.
Of course I may be wide of the mark here but some people only allow positive critique and adulation. I'd say you hit the mark, dead center.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 14:53:03 GMT 1, For some this urban art stuff is a business and all about money and I am sure that agents and dealers and PR people post on as many forums and blogs to gain fans, publicity and create a buzz.
For some this urban art stuff is a business and all about money and I am sure that agents and dealers and PR people post on as many forums and blogs to gain fans, publicity and create a buzz.
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randomname
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Why So Serious?, by randomname on Mar 6, 2015 17:38:51 GMT 1, This site suffers from a lack of proper moderation.
People are going to get into arguments. That happens whenever opinions are involved. And inevitably, someone won't be able to support their opinion with facts and will resort to personal attacks. That happens on every forum I've been a member of.
Unlike other forums, the moderators let pretty much everything go short of racism and sexism. Even then, they're selective in their enforcement. Which is a shame.
If that's the way they want to go, I suggest they create a sub-forum for pissing matches. If two members want to go at it, move their posts to another thread. That way if people want to see it, they can. And those who don't won't have to.
I suspect that would cut down on a lot, if not all of the fighting. No point grandstanding without an audience.
This site suffers from a lack of proper moderation.
People are going to get into arguments. That happens whenever opinions are involved. And inevitably, someone won't be able to support their opinion with facts and will resort to personal attacks. That happens on every forum I've been a member of.
Unlike other forums, the moderators let pretty much everything go short of racism and sexism. Even then, they're selective in their enforcement. Which is a shame.
If that's the way they want to go, I suggest they create a sub-forum for pissing matches. If two members want to go at it, move their posts to another thread. That way if people want to see it, they can. And those who don't won't have to.
I suspect that would cut down on a lot, if not all of the fighting. No point grandstanding without an audience.
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dazarino
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Why So Serious?, by dazarino on Mar 6, 2015 18:43:42 GMT 1, we all know who the trolls are,and people who can't help themselves.better to just ignore them. the only problem i see is when the personal attacks become acceptable.
good example is martin whatson, who was a frequent forum member and art fan boy. now i doubt you will ever see him post on here again. in my eyes, thats a real shame.
we all know who the trolls are,and people who can't help themselves.better to just ignore them. the only problem i see is when the personal attacks become acceptable.
good example is martin whatson, who was a frequent forum member and art fan boy. now i doubt you will ever see him post on here again. in my eyes, thats a real shame.
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Why So Serious?, by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 18:54:42 GMT 1, This is not directed at anyone in general:
Sometimes when I read this forum and others, I can't help think of that bit in The White Stripes song Icky Thump:
"Who's using who? What should we do? Well, you can't be a pimp. And a prostitute too."
I wish there was more transparency. I can't tell trolls, from fan boys, from artists, from gallerists, from the shills, etc...
Except for those who are transparent about it, obviously
This is not directed at anyone in general: Sometimes when I read this forum and others, I can't help think of that bit in The White Stripes song Icky Thump: "Who's using who? What should we do? Well, you can't be a pimp. And a prostitute too." I wish there was more transparency. I can't tell trolls, from fan boys, from artists, from gallerists, from the shills, etc... Except for those who are transparent about it, obviously
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alittle
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Why So Serious?, by alittle on Mar 6, 2015 18:59:48 GMT 1, we all know who the trolls are,and people who can't help themselves.better to just ignore them. the only problem i see is when the personal attacks become acceptable. good example is martin whatson, who was a frequent forum member and art fan boy. now i doubt you will ever see him post on here again. in my eyes, thats a real shame. He hasn't posted in 3 years, well before people soured on him.
we all know who the trolls are,and people who can't help themselves.better to just ignore them. the only problem i see is when the personal attacks become acceptable. good example is martin whatson, who was a frequent forum member and art fan boy. now i doubt you will ever see him post on here again. in my eyes, thats a real shame. He hasn't posted in 3 years, well before people soured on him.
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Why So Serious?, by dazarino on Mar 6, 2015 19:14:05 GMT 1, Ok didn't know that, well he defiantly isn't coming back now lol
Ok didn't know that, well he defiantly isn't coming back now lol
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