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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Pipes on Mar 28, 2021 22:45:35 GMT 1, Any idea what effect selling the same thing relatively soon after that sale might have on the price?
No effect.
These rarely come up for auction.
Likely will go up even more if you can wait to sell.
Classic signed images are separating from the pack - and this arguably the 2nd most desirable image.
Any idea what effect selling the same thing relatively soon after that sale might have on the price? No effect. These rarely come up for auction. Likely will go up even more if you can wait to sell. Classic signed images are separating from the pack - and this arguably the 2nd most desirable image.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by sm1tch on Mar 29, 2021 1:44:54 GMT 1, Can anyone tell me how long Pest Control usually take to get back to emails?
Waiting for confirmation about whether or not I'll receive a COA for GDP cushions
Thanks!
Can anyone tell me how long Pest Control usually take to get back to emails?
Waiting for confirmation about whether or not I'll receive a COA for GDP cushions
Thanks!
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Mar 29, 2021 2:28:58 GMT 1, Any idea what effect selling the same thing relatively soon after that sale might have on the price? No effect. These rarely come up for auction. Likely will go up even more if you can wait to sell. Classic signed images are separating from the pack - and this arguably the 2nd most desirable image. As Pipes says very sought after as reflected in recent pricing. It's been said on here a lot this year, far safer to go to Southeby's or Christies than the lower auction houses.
I approached both when looking to sell a Banksy before xmas. I eventually sold privately but I must say Christies (Chris) was very helpful and knowledgeable and was the only one to get back. I think Chris and a James put together Christie's Banksy auctions. Drop them an email and they may line you up with a buyer (who missed out recently) easily without going to auction. Not sure on the fees I would assume the same although some one else would now on here.
Good luck with the sale.
Any idea what effect selling the same thing relatively soon after that sale might have on the price? No effect. These rarely come up for auction. Likely will go up even more if you can wait to sell. Classic signed images are separating from the pack - and this arguably the 2nd most desirable image. As Pipes says very sought after as reflected in recent pricing. It's been said on here a lot this year, far safer to go to Southeby's or Christies than the lower auction houses. I approached both when looking to sell a Banksy before xmas. I eventually sold privately but I must say Christies (Chris) was very helpful and knowledgeable and was the only one to get back. I think Chris and a James put together Christie's Banksy auctions. Drop them an email and they may line you up with a buyer (who missed out recently) easily without going to auction. Not sure on the fees I would assume the same although some one else would now on here. Good luck with the sale.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Charlie Bronson on Mar 29, 2021 2:52:35 GMT 1, Any idea what effect selling the same thing relatively soon after that sale might have on the price?
If you can, hold onto it. I know often times thatโs not possible, but thereโs really no doubt this classic will continue to rise in value. I wouldnโt be surprised if a mint, signed LIITA AP with COA reaches $2 million within ten years. Obviously itโs all speculation, but the math and data is all there, and it seems itโll more likely be the case than not. In terms of ROI, I really donโt see any better/safer way to have your money tied up than in that print of yours. Just my humble opinion.
Any idea what effect selling the same thing relatively soon after that sale might have on the price? If you can, hold onto it. I know often times thatโs not possible, but thereโs really no doubt this classic will continue to rise in value. I wouldnโt be surprised if a mint, signed LIITA AP with COA reaches $2 million within ten years. Obviously itโs all speculation, but the math and data is all there, and it seems itโll more likely be the case than not. In terms of ROI, I really donโt see any better/safer way to have your money tied up than in that print of yours. Just my humble opinion.
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SnazzyB
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by SnazzyB on Apr 4, 2021 15:45:25 GMT 1, Can someone give me an up to date price for 2 Banksy Posters, I am looking to sell to raise funds for a house move, I am also looking to sell a couple of Invader's: - Monkey Parliament - Save or Delete + Sticker Sheet Thank you
Can someone give me an up to date price for 2 Banksy Posters, I am looking to sell to raise funds for a house move, I am also looking to sell a couple of Invader's: - Monkey Parliament - Save or Delete + Sticker Sheet Thank you
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bishka1482
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by bishka1482 on Apr 5, 2021 10:13:59 GMT 1, Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is BME vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping BME as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile.
Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is BME vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping BME as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by apprint on Apr 5, 2021 10:34:31 GMT 1, I was recently offered a different one of these original poem pieces on wood with what I perceive to be a less desirable saying for a very high asking price and also know of another one that a friend recently sold (with what I would perceive to be a more desirable saying) - for 400k GBP. So not quite $600k, but close. These are larger original spray paint pieces made by the hand of Banksy and not released as editioned multiples like many of the smaller canvases so there are far less of them. Show me where you can get an original non editioned Banksy for less. These used to sell at auction for as much or more than the canvases years ago but have lagged compared to them in recent years. That said, one hasnโt sold at auction since the recent price increases. I would imagine when one of these hits an auction soon the results would be in line with the current market and would surprise.
Some of those poems are original and some are from a serie, is about 10/15of those in total
I was recently offered a different one of these original poem pieces on wood with what I perceive to be a less desirable saying for a very high asking price and also know of another one that a friend recently sold (with what I would perceive to be a more desirable saying) - for 400k GBP. So not quite $600k, but close. These are larger original spray paint pieces made by the hand of Banksy and not released as editioned multiples like many of the smaller canvases so there are far less of them. Show me where you can get an original non editioned Banksy for less. These used to sell at auction for as much or more than the canvases years ago but have lagged compared to them in recent years. That said, one hasnโt sold at auction since the recent price increases. I would imagine when one of these hits an auction soon the results would be in line with the current market and would surprise. Some of those poems are original and some are from a serie, is about 10/15of those in total
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singo369
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by singo369 on Apr 5, 2021 10:36:12 GMT 1, Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile.
Keep the rat ๐
Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile. Keep the rat ๐
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by henryc on Apr 5, 2021 11:08:51 GMT 1, Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile.
Keep the rat ๐
Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile. Keep the rat ๐
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eschiff
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by eschiff on Apr 5, 2021 11:15:43 GMT 1, Curious on thoughts on NOLA AP blue-green rain. After the Yellow went for 300k hammer (375 all in) I think it puts this around 300-325. Starting to look to sell mine if people/galleries are interested. London based, COA etc etc.
Curious on thoughts on NOLA AP blue-green rain. After the Yellow went for 300k hammer (375 all in) I think it puts this around 300-325. Starting to look to sell mine if people/galleries are interested. London based, COA etc etc.
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George Poppit
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by George Poppit on Apr 5, 2021 11:20:05 GMT 1, Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile.
Not sure predicting a drop in the market is the best way to open a sales pitch. There wonโt be a drop, his market is just warming up.
Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile. Not sure predicting a drop in the market is the best way to open a sales pitch. There wonโt be a drop, his market is just warming up.
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chippy
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by chippy on Apr 5, 2021 11:22:45 GMT 1, Looking for current value on US & unstamped (Meaning POW BlindStamp) I Fought The Law ...numbered with COA. Thankyou.
Looking for current value on US & unstamped (Meaning POW BlindStamp) I Fought The Law ...numbered with COA. Thankyou.
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mark1
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by mark1 on Apr 5, 2021 11:25:27 GMT 1, Was thinking the same
Was thinking the same
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Karl Read
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Karl Read on Apr 5, 2021 11:27:51 GMT 1, Looking for a current value on a CYW Grey (100 edition). With the recent sale of the Que jumping Grey (58 edition) at Sotheby's recently for ยฃ216k all in, im guessing the 100 edition has increased in value since the last sale in Sept 2020.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Looking for a current value on a CYW Grey (100 edition). With the recent sale of the Que jumping Grey (58 edition) at Sotheby's recently for ยฃ216k all in, im guessing the 100 edition has increased in value since the last sale in Sept 2020.
Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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bishka1482
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by bishka1482 on Apr 5, 2021 11:33:52 GMT 1, Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile. Not sure predicting a drop in the market is the best way to open a sales pitch. There wonโt be a drop, his market is just warming up.
Not a sales pitch. Already have offers from Maddox and my art broker just canโt pick which to keep
Sadly think the time has come to sell three of our four banksyโs as the market is predicted to start to drop and we arenโt rich enough to say no to current market prices. We have decided to keep one and the problem we are grappling with is Bomb Middle England vs love rat. We adore both and completely torn. Leaning towards keeping Bomb Middle England as the rat worth more but canโt quite reconcile. Not sure predicting a drop in the market is the best way to open a sales pitch. There wonโt be a drop, his market is just warming up. Not a sales pitch. Already have offers from Maddox and my art broker just canโt pick which to keep
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singo369
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by singo369 on Apr 5, 2021 13:00:33 GMT 1, Looking for a current value on a Choose Your Weapon Grey (100 edition). With the recent sale of the Que jumping Grey (58 edition) at Sotheby's recently for ยฃ216k all in, im guessing the 100 edition has increased in value since the last sale in Sept 2020. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!!
Looking for a current value on a Choose Your Weapon Grey (100 edition). With the recent sale of the Que jumping Grey (58 edition) at Sotheby's recently for ยฃ216k all in, im guessing the 100 edition has increased in value since the last sale in Sept 2020. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!!
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Karl Read
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Karl Read on Apr 5, 2021 13:32:26 GMT 1, Looking for a current value on a Choose Your Weapon Grey (100 edition). With the recent sale of the Que jumping Grey (58 edition) at Sotheby's recently for ยฃ216k all in, im guessing the 100 edition has increased in value since the last sale in Sept 2020. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.
Looking for a current value on a Choose Your Weapon Grey (100 edition). With the recent sale of the Que jumping Grey (58 edition) at Sotheby's recently for ยฃ216k all in, im guessing the 100 edition has increased in value since the last sale in Sept 2020. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by teabaggins on Apr 5, 2021 13:35:30 GMT 1, Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.ย minimum ยฃ150 currently. Based on a US gallery offer for mine just over a month ago.
Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.ย minimum ยฃ150 currently. Based on a US gallery offer for mine just over a month ago.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Fะฏ on Apr 5, 2021 16:32:47 GMT 1, Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.ย
QJG Smaller edition and was never on sale
Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.ย QJG Smaller edition and was never on sale
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kentkid
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by kentkid on Apr 5, 2021 16:33:24 GMT 1, Not sure predicting a drop in the market is the best way to open a sales pitch. There wonโt be a drop, his market is just warming up. Not a sales pitch. Already have offers from Maddox and my art broker just canโt pick which to keep Out of those two Iโd keep the Love Rat.
The association between Banksy and Rats is strong and always will be.
Just my opinion though!!
Not sure predicting a drop in the market is the best way to open a sales pitch. There wonโt be a drop, his market is just warming up. Not a sales pitch. Already have offers from Maddox and my art broker just canโt pick which to keep Out of those two Iโd keep the Love Rat. The association between Banksy and Rats is strong and always will be. Just my opinion though!!
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Stonetown
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Stonetown on Apr 5, 2021 16:47:16 GMT 1, For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.ย QJG Smaller edition and was never on sale
QJG has a good story to it too. One that marks the event.
For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG.ย QJG Smaller edition and was never on sale QJG has a good story to it too. One that marks the event.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Dexter Bulldog on Apr 5, 2021 17:11:49 GMT 1, Curious on thoughts on NOLA AP blue-green rain. After the Yellow went for 300k hammer (375 all in) I think it puts this around 300-325. Starting to look to sell mine if people/galleries are interested. London based, COA etc etc. Think your price is pretty close, waluso gallery had one a week or two ago on the site for 295 and that listing is no longer there.
Curious on thoughts on NOLA AP blue-green rain. After the Yellow went for 300k hammer (375 all in) I think it puts this around 300-325. Starting to look to sell mine if people/galleries are interested. London based, COA etc etc. Think your price is pretty close, waluso gallery had one a week or two ago on the site for 295 and that listing is no longer there.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Dexter Bulldog on Apr 5, 2021 17:24:47 GMT 1, Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG. Yes/no
whoever said 150ish is probably correct
Anything from ยฃ105k to ยฃ115k but thatโs just a guess, itโs all dependent on the day, the seller or auction house!! For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG. Yes/no whoever said 150ish is probably correct
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Karl Read
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Karl Read on Apr 5, 2021 17:40:23 GMT 1, For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG. QJG Smaller edition and was never on sale Yeah, i'd expect it to be more but not 50% more.
For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG. QJG Smaller edition and was never on sale Yeah, i'd expect it to be more but not 50% more.
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Karl Read
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Karl Read on Apr 5, 2021 17:42:55 GMT 1, For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG. Yes/no whoever said 150ish is probably correct Sounds about right I guess. The ยฃ216k QJG did seem quite high, will be interesting to see if these recent higher prices stay put or not.
For sure, although surely the QJG isn't worth 100k more? Maybe that was a freak result on the QJG. Yes/no whoever said 150ish is probably correct Sounds about right I guess. The ยฃ216k QJG did seem quite high, will be interesting to see if these recent higher prices stay put or not.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Dexter Bulldog on Apr 5, 2021 18:44:36 GMT 1, Yes/no whoever said 150ish is probably correct Sounds about right I guess. The ยฃ216k QJG did seem quite high, will be interesting to see if these recent higher prices stay put or not. im biased admittedly, but i dont think its high. i htink cyw has cemented itself as a top print and last few results at auction seem to justify this.
Yes/no whoever said 150ish is probably correct Sounds about right I guess. The ยฃ216k QJG did seem quite high, will be interesting to see if these recent higher prices stay put or not. im biased admittedly, but i dont think its high. i htink cyw has cemented itself as a top print and last few results at auction seem to justify this.
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Karl Read
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Karl Read on Apr 5, 2021 19:02:03 GMT 1, Sounds about right I guess. The ยฃ216k QJG did seem quite high, will be interesting to see if these recent higher prices stay put or not. im biased admittedly, but i dont think its high. i htink Choose Your Weapon has cemented itself as a top print and last few results at auction seem to justify this. Agree, it should be up there. (Biased also) My comment was really based on this last sale as being the highest for a QJG. (So far) when you look at the recent coloured variants of 25 and what they have gone for recently its sits about right. There is no way the QJG is worth 50% more than the standard grey. Previous sales show this. I was thinking maybe 20%. it will be interesting to see how prices go on these, CYWโs were one of the first prints to shoot up in value years back. Then everything caught up and overtook them. It looks like they might be having their turn again now.
Sounds about right I guess. The ยฃ216k QJG did seem quite high, will be interesting to see if these recent higher prices stay put or not. im biased admittedly, but i dont think its high. i htink Choose Your Weapon has cemented itself as a top print and last few results at auction seem to justify this. Agree, it should be up there. (Biased also) My comment was really based on this last sale as being the highest for a QJG. (So far) when you look at the recent coloured variants of 25 and what they have gone for recently its sits about right. There is no way the QJG is worth 50% more than the standard grey. Previous sales show this. I was thinking maybe 20%. it will be interesting to see how prices go on these, CYWโs were one of the first prints to shoot up in value years back. Then everything caught up and overtook them. It looks like they might be having their turn again now.
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by I Dont Know You Know on Apr 5, 2021 20:23:15 GMT 1, For insurance - work on the buyers price - adding hammer circa ยฃ175k add ARR VAT buyers fee and factor in auction house fees - so CYW is over Worth over ยฃ200k - desirability - colours and collectors completing full sets is another thing - 19 colours
For insurance - work on the buyers price - adding hammer circa ยฃ175k add ARR VAT buyers fee and factor in auction house fees - so CYW is over Worth over ยฃ200k - desirability - colours and collectors completing full sets is another thing - 19 colours
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bishka1482
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by bishka1482 on Apr 6, 2021 12:23:39 GMT 1, Not a sales pitch. Already have offers from Maddox and my art broker just canโt pick which to keep Out of those two Iโd keep the Love Rat. The association between Banksy and Rats is strong and always will be. Just my opinion though!!
Thanks. That was my initial thought just difficult as the rat holds the highest value out of them all. If market wasnโt predicted to fall would keep hold of them all for as long as possible
Not a sales pitch. Already have offers from Maddox and my art broker just canโt pick which to keep Out of those two Iโd keep the Love Rat. The association between Banksy and Rats is strong and always will be. Just my opinion though!! Thanks. That was my initial thought just difficult as the rat holds the highest value out of them all. If market wasnโt predicted to fall would keep hold of them all for as long as possible
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Nuno
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Banksy Artwork, VALUATION, by Nuno on Apr 6, 2021 12:28:01 GMT 1, Out of those two Iโd keep the Love Rat. The association between Banksy and Rats is strong and always will be. Just my opinion though!! Thanks. That was my initial thought just difficult as the rat holds the highest value out of them all. If market wasnโt predicted to fall would keep hold of them all for as long as possible
Youโve said that the market is predicted to fall a few times, could you point me to any articles?
Out of those two Iโd keep the Love Rat. The association between Banksy and Rats is strong and always will be. Just my opinion though!! Thanks. That was my initial thought just difficult as the rat holds the highest value out of them all. If market wasnโt predicted to fall would keep hold of them all for as long as possible Youโve said that the market is predicted to fall a few times, could you point me to any articles?
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