Winter
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Winter on Jan 16, 2008 0:59:53 GMT 1, Had so many enquiries on my Parla's I've lost track of who I've responded to. If you have contacted me and I haven't got back to you could you let me know. Also if I've responded twice. Sorry!
Had so many enquiries on my Parla's I've lost track of who I've responded to. If you have contacted me and I haven't got back to you could you let me know. Also if I've responded twice. Sorry!
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medicineman
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by medicineman on Jan 16, 2008 14:15:49 GMT 1, To me... He may have a following but if an artist cannot progress past scribbling/writing illegible script...He is doomed. You could say OOhh EERrr...well look at Banksy. He cant progress past stencils. Well ok yes in some ways you are right. But each sten carries a hammer blow of thought/interpritation. How much can you read into a Parla scribble....mmm thought so
To me... He may have a following but if an artist cannot progress past scribbling/writing illegible script...He is doomed. You could say OOhh EERrr...well look at Banksy. He cant progress past stencils. Well ok yes in some ways you are right. But each sten carries a hammer blow of thought/interpritation. How much can you read into a Parla scribble....mmm thought so
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medicineman
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by medicineman on Jan 16, 2008 14:17:36 GMT 1, Jose Parla, superb artist, his work in my humble opinion will evolve and get even better as he finds new depths within himself, as someone else has said already the resemblance between Parla and Pollack is quite striking, the press that pollack first recieved wasnt very flattering but he went from strength to strength. A kate for the right parla, as much as I love the kate image, there would be no contest. here is one of my favorite parla's  thats cocteau's, or at least it looks like his, i used to own a kate, & for sure, its a beautiful print, but after seeing the elms show, i would go for one of the parla's, the depth in some of the big pieces, were genuinely amazing, the kind of work you could look at for days & never tire of, full of energy & verve.
My 5yr old Daughter could do this ! !
Jose Parla, superb artist, his work in my humble opinion will evolve and get even better as he finds new depths within himself, as someone else has said already the resemblance between Parla and Pollack is quite striking, the press that pollack first recieved wasnt very flattering but he went from strength to strength. A kate for the right parla, as much as I love the kate image, there would be no contest. here is one of my favorite parla's thats cocteau's, or at least it looks like his, i used to own a kate, & for sure, its a beautiful print, but after seeing the elms show, i would go for one of the parla's, the depth in some of the big pieces, were genuinely amazing, the kind of work you could look at for days & never tire of, full of energy & verve. My 5yr old Daughter could do this ! ! |
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medicineman
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by medicineman on Jan 16, 2008 14:21:20 GMT 1, Just how much further does he expect to progress with the squiggles? 10yrs later are we looking at similar faux calligraphy/peeled ad board images 
Im not convinced in the slightest and although hes cut his teeth for a while, I dont think he cuts the mustard and is hugely overated. 
Looks a sparkler photograph on a cheap camera on Bulb Mode 
Just how much further does he expect to progress with the squiggles? 10yrs later are we looking at similar faux calligraphy/peeled ad board images Im not convinced in the slightest and although hes cut his teeth for a while, I dont think he cuts the mustard and is hugely overated. Looks a sparkler photograph on a cheap camera on Bulb Mode |
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by skanky on Jan 16, 2008 14:21:51 GMT 1, Aye right ! Cocteau that is one of the best pieces from last year , I saw it in the flesh and it was truly stunning.
Aye right ! Cocteau that is one of the best pieces from last year , I saw it in the flesh and it was truly stunning.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by mcnuts on Jan 16, 2008 14:31:53 GMT 1,
fire it up then mate, same specs, same size and post pictures. i got a bag of sweets and a teddy bear to trade her for the finished product. game on.
fire it up then mate, same specs, same size and post pictures. i got a bag of sweets and a teddy bear to trade her for the finished product. game on.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by ricosg11 on Jan 16, 2008 14:34:23 GMT 1, fire it up then mate, same specs, same size and post pictures. i got a bag of sweets and a teddy bear to trade her for the finished product. game on.
Ill take 3 my mom is an excellent baker. Any pastries your daughter likes.
fire it up then mate, same specs, same size and post pictures. i got a bag of sweets and a teddy bear to trade her for the finished product. game on. Ill take 3 my mom is an excellent baker. Any pastries your daughter likes. |
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by mcnuts on Jan 16, 2008 14:39:47 GMT 1, fire it up then mate, same specs, same size and post pictures. i got a bag of sweets and a teddy bear to trade her for the finished product. game on. Ill take 3 my mom is an excellent baker. Any pastries your daughter likes.
ricosg11 is tellin the truth, his mom is a great baker and has a sweet set of buns!
(couldnt resist that one!  )
fire it up then mate, same specs, same size and post pictures. i got a bag of sweets and a teddy bear to trade her for the finished product. game on. Ill take 3 my mom is an excellent baker. Any pastries your daughter likes. ricosg11 is tellin the truth, his mom is a great baker and has a sweet set of buns! (couldnt resist that one! ) |
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 16, 2008 14:45:59 GMT 1, Again watch the Love and Death Pollock documentary I have suggested to see the reaction to Pollocks work people sending Life magazine letters saying here ia a piece done by my son age 7 called No5 etc etc, it's quite amusing really - much like medicineman's to Parla so I can understand where he is coming from. It's all down to opinions . Only time will tell but I think Parla will be big big league in the contemporary art scene in years to come.
Again watch the Love and Death Pollock documentary I have suggested to see the reaction to Pollocks work people sending Life magazine letters saying here ia a piece done by my son age 7 called No5 etc etc, it's quite amusing really - much like medicineman's to Parla so I can understand where he is coming from. It's all down to opinions . Only time will tell but I think Parla will be big big league in the contemporary art scene in years to come.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by ricosg11 on Jan 16, 2008 15:05:53 GMT 1, To me... He may have a following but if an artist cannot progress past scribbling/writing illegible script...He is doomed. You could say OOhh EERrr...well look at Banksy. He cant progress past stencils. Well ok yes in some ways you are right. But each sten carries a hammer blow of thought/interpritation. How much can you read into a Parla scribble....mmm thought so
guess that all depends on how hard you are willing to work to understand a piece. Some people get a lot more out of art when its meanings arent spoonfed or literal. For me a challenging piece like a Parla is something I can interpet for an eternity. To me thats more attractive than a Banksy.
To me... He may have a following but if an artist cannot progress past scribbling/writing illegible script...He is doomed. You could say OOhh EERrr...well look at Banksy. He cant progress past stencils. Well ok yes in some ways you are right. But each sten carries a hammer blow of thought/interpritation. How much can you read into a Parla scribble....mmm thought so guess that all depends on how hard you are willing to work to understand a piece. Some people get a lot more out of art when its meanings arent spoonfed or literal. For me a challenging piece like a Parla is something I can interpet for an eternity. To me thats more attractive than a Banksy. |
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by mose on Jan 16, 2008 15:27:33 GMT 1, How much can you read into a Parla scribble..
a lifetime.
How much can you read into a Parla scribble.. a lifetime. |
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by daz205 on Jan 16, 2008 16:12:03 GMT 1, alot i could look at a parla for days and be drawn into all the time the same with neate, as much as i like banksy a quick look and thats it, but then thats his style it you need to get the point quickly when its on the street
alot i could look at a parla for days and be drawn into all the time the same with neate, as much as i like banksy a quick look and thats it, but then thats his style it you need to get the point quickly when its on the street
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by ABC on Jan 16, 2008 17:22:24 GMT 1, I too think Parla's work has more to it than just "scribble" as some are putting it.
I believe it comes down to how much you respect art in general.
Rather than just being press-ganged into liking street/urban art, people that have not, should get themselves out and compare the broader spectrum available for free.
For me (UK) the Tate, National Gallery etc offer a great deal to compare. It's weird, I thought I disliked Salvador Daili's work for years until last week when I saw his exhibition and viewed the works in the flesh.
A computer screen is no substitute for the impact of an original in the flesh, If people are judging artists work when they have never seen it in the flesh before then IMO they have no argument.
PS This is not directed at anyone, I'm just waffling as usual.
I too think Parla's work has more to it than just "scribble" as some are putting it.
I believe it comes down to how much you respect art in general.
Rather than just being press-ganged into liking street/urban art, people that have not, should get themselves out and compare the broader spectrum available for free.
For me (UK) the Tate, National Gallery etc offer a great deal to compare. It's weird, I thought I disliked Salvador Daili's work for years until last week when I saw his exhibition and viewed the works in the flesh.
A computer screen is no substitute for the impact of an original in the flesh, If people are judging artists work when they have never seen it in the flesh before then IMO they have no argument.
PS This is not directed at anyone, I'm just waffling as usual.
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 16, 2008 20:47:06 GMT 1, ABC totally agree that is why I see the line from Pollock to Parla, everything comes from somewhere even indirectly. In the Sunday Times magazine this week there is an 3 or 4 page article on the "previously hidden Russian art collection", the collection includes several well know major artists. There is a particular photograph of a piece that could have been painted by a well known contemporary/urban artidt of the day. You'll know the picture when you see it and also the urban artist that I'm referring to. Again a line/link/ clearly visible influenece in my opinion. Lets see who can get the picture and the two artists first.
ABC totally agree that is why I see the line from Pollock to Parla, everything comes from somewhere even indirectly. In the Sunday Times magazine this week there is an 3 or 4 page article on the "previously hidden Russian art collection", the collection includes several well know major artists. There is a particular photograph of a piece that could have been painted by a well known contemporary/urban artidt of the day. You'll know the picture when you see it and also the urban artist that I'm referring to. Again a line/link/ clearly visible influenece in my opinion. Lets see who can get the picture and the two artists first.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by slowmo on Jan 16, 2008 21:11:03 GMT 1, Not sure on that one, if I'm looking at the same article, are you thinking Matisse and Mantis?
Not sure on that one, if I'm looking at the same article, are you thinking Matisse and Mantis?
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by loucastel on Jan 16, 2008 21:17:22 GMT 1, I love all the people who say "I could do that" so why dont they ? then perhaps these people would stop bitching and make a lot of dosh, I love the fluidity and energy expressed in Parla's work, you see something new every time, but there again perhaps I should see it as a load of squiggles at least it would be cheaper for me, unless medicineman's daughter can knock me one up, I look forward to that she must have about half a dozen orders on here already. LOL
I love all the people who say "I could do that" so why dont they ? then perhaps these people would stop bitching and make a lot of dosh, I love the fluidity and energy expressed in Parla's work, you see something new every time, but there again perhaps I should see it as a load of squiggles at least it would be cheaper for me, unless medicineman's daughter can knock me one up, I look forward to that she must have about half a dozen orders on here already. LOL
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 16, 2008 21:22:30 GMT 1, Not sure on that one, if I'm looking at the same article, are you thinking Matisse and Mantis?
Slowmo no that wasn't the one I was thinking of but I see what you mean, the picture I'm referring to is on page 33. When you look I'll think you'll see who and what I'm on about.
Not sure on that one, if I'm looking at the same article, are you thinking Matisse and Mantis? Slowmo no that wasn't the one I was thinking of but I see what you mean, the picture I'm referring to is on page 33. When you look I'll think you'll see who and what I'm on about. |
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by slowmo on Jan 16, 2008 21:24:16 GMT 1, I was looking at the online version, haven't got sunday times, so I guess I'm out! I'm very pleased you weren't thinking my guess!
I was looking at the online version, haven't got sunday times, so I guess I'm out! I'm very pleased you weren't thinking my guess! |
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 16, 2008 21:55:07 GMT 1, Cmon all - give it a go Sunday Times magazine from weekend just gone Page 33.
Not my Parla / Pollock comparison but another connection between a master and a newer artist.
Cmon all - give it a go Sunday Times magazine from weekend just gone Page 33.
Not my Parla / Pollock comparison but another connection between a master and a newer artist.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Va Va Voom on Jan 16, 2008 22:11:58 GMT 1, Would you be referring to a certain Mr Neate there Joe ?
Would you be referring to a certain Mr Neate there Joe ?
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Va Va Voom on Jan 16, 2008 22:15:35 GMT 1, And dont forget I have first dibs on that magnificent Parla you have.......want that soooo bad.
And dont forget I have first dibs on that magnificent Parla you have.......want that soooo bad.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by ricosg11 on Jan 16, 2008 23:13:08 GMT 1, without seeing the article or any associated pics ill say neate/bacon
without seeing the article or any associated pics ill say neate/bacon
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Va Va Voom on Jan 16, 2008 23:34:04 GMT 1, Neate/Picasso rico..
Neate/Picasso rico..
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 17, 2008 0:29:03 GMT 1, Yeh Va Va Voom definately Neate / Picasso - what do you think. It just jumped out and hit me in the face, even my wife who doesn'y pay too much attention to my ramblings made the association.
Yeh Va Va Voom definately Neate / Picasso - what do you think. It just jumped out and hit me in the face, even my wife who doesn'y pay too much attention to my ramblings made the association.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Va Va Voom on Jan 17, 2008 1:25:58 GMT 1, Its no secret that Adam quotes Picasso as a major influence and for me (& cocteau) its plain to see with this image (dryad..google it).
Joe you going to Bast next week ?
Its no secret that Adam quotes Picasso as a major influence and for me (& cocteau) its plain to see with this image (dryad..google it).
Joe you going to Bast next week ?
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by ABC on Jan 17, 2008 15:17:47 GMT 1,
I agree, they can be compared in some instances, but you could also say the same about Warhol and Banksy, Pollock and Parla In some cases.
What is much harder to do Is say who is better technically, the image is easy, that comes down to personnel choice IMO.
For me the newer artists have a long way to go for acclaiming they are better.
I agree, they can be compared in some instances, but you could also say the same about Warhol and Banksy, Pollock and Parla In some cases. What is much harder to do Is say who is better technically, the image is easy, that comes down to personnel choice IMO. For me the newer artists have a long way to go for acclaiming they are better. |
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 17, 2008 16:10:12 GMT 1, Agreed ABC, what I was getting at was potting the influeneces and that the newer artists do have genuine influences rather than being purely derivative.
Agreed ABC, what I was getting at was potting the influeneces and that the newer artists do have genuine influences rather than being purely derivative.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Rude Copper on Jan 17, 2008 16:39:30 GMT 1, i dont think there can be an arguement to say that the recent artists are better than their peers, picasso et al will always have the advantage that they were the originators of their style, warhol & even ron english are all too apparent in banksy's work for him to claim it as his own , picasso& bacon in neates, twombley & pollock in parla's, they are however more relevant to this generation than their predecessors, which is probably where the debate arises, as dynamic & exciting as this genre of art is, it still has a way to go (imo) before it stands alone against the cream of the artworld.
i dont think there can be an arguement to say that the recent artists are better than their peers, picasso et al will always have the advantage that they were the originators of their style, warhol & even ron english are all too apparent in banksy's work for him to claim it as his own , picasso& bacon in neates, twombley & pollock in parla's, they are however more relevant to this generation than their predecessors, which is probably where the debate arises, as dynamic & exciting as this genre of art is, it still has a way to go (imo) before it stands alone against the cream of the artworld.
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by leumasdarnley on Jan 17, 2008 18:18:56 GMT 1, i dont think there can be an arguement to say that the recent artists are better than their peers, picasso et al will always have the advantage that they were the originators of their style, warhol & even ron english are all too apparent in banksy's work for him to claim it as his own , picasso& bacon in neates, twombley & pollock in parla's, they are however more relevant to this generation than their predecessors, which is probably where the debate arises, as dynamic & exciting as this genre of art is, it still has a way to go (imo) before it stands alone against the cream of the artworld.
I thought I would never see the day that Ron English gets the respect he deserves seems that day isn't that far away now 
i dont think there can be an arguement to say that the recent artists are better than their peers, picasso et al will always have the advantage that they were the originators of their style, warhol & even ron english are all too apparent in banksy's work for him to claim it as his own , picasso& bacon in neates, twombley & pollock in parla's, they are however more relevant to this generation than their predecessors, which is probably where the debate arises, as dynamic & exciting as this genre of art is, it still has a way to go (imo) before it stands alone against the cream of the artworld. I thought I would never see the day that Ron English gets the respect he deserves seems that day isn't that far away now |
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Cocteau 101
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Banksy Kate Moss Print, by Cocteau 101 on Jan 17, 2008 19:43:54 GMT 1, Agree with the sentiments Rudecopper I would only add that the "cream of the artworld grows as the years pass by" I'm sure are kids will have their own artists that they will go on about like we all do now. The day will come when one of them is saying "do you think he was influened by Parla / Neate etc". I'm sure of it. Because we are dealing with artists in the here and now it is difficult in a way to imagine that they could become great, but I'm sure some will.
Agree with the sentiments Rudecopper I would only add that the "cream of the artworld grows as the years pass by" I'm sure are kids will have their own artists that they will go on about like we all do now. The day will come when one of them is saying "do you think he was influened by Parla / Neate etc". I'm sure of it. Because we are dealing with artists in the here and now it is difficult in a way to imagine that they could become great, but I'm sure some will.
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