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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Gangsta Nola on Aug 13, 2015 20:59:59 GMT 1, And the cheeky gits put a copy of their receipt as proof !!! Shows $5k !!!
And the cheeky gits put a copy of their receipt as proof !!! Shows $5k !!!
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by bustin on Aug 13, 2015 22:11:18 GMT 1, Just got my call finally haha. They're at 7000 with 20 left. I got the call about 20 mins ago . Bagged one @$6500 I don't mind the price hike as much as some others but this is messed up.
Just got my call finally haha. They're at 7000 with 20 left. I got the call about 20 mins ago . Bagged one @$6500 I don't mind the price hike as much as some others but this is messed up.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by bustin on Aug 13, 2015 23:10:13 GMT 1, Pace has sold out... Just received this email.
Thank you again for your interest in the new KAWS screenprint โYou Should Know I Know.โ
There has been an overwhelming number of orders for this print, several hundred of them received in the first few seconds that ordering was open. If you have not heard from us directly at this point, we regret to say that there are no longer any impressions available.
Pace has sold out... Just received this email.
Thank you again for your interest in the new KAWS screenprint โYou Should Know I Know.โ
There has been an overwhelming number of orders for this print, several hundred of them received in the first few seconds that ordering was open. If you have not heard from us directly at this point, we regret to say that there are no longer any impressions available.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by mla on Aug 13, 2015 23:12:26 GMT 1, Quick! Grab one from eBay for $15K before they're gone forever!!!
Quick! Grab one from eBay for $15K before they're gone forever!!!
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by law23 on Aug 14, 2015 0:16:17 GMT 1, Didn't get a call. Anyway, congrats to all who bagged one.
Didn't get a call. Anyway, congrats to all who bagged one.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by strongsauzej on Aug 14, 2015 0:17:18 GMT 1, SOLD OUT!
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Deleted on Aug 14, 2015 3:34:01 GMT 1, They say buy up and coming originals over established prints. Congrats to those that got theirs, but I can find many places to spend 5k in the urban and contemporary market...
They say buy up and coming originals over established prints. Congrats to those that got theirs, but I can find many places to spend 5k in the urban and contemporary market...
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Paname on Aug 14, 2015 8:32:06 GMT 1, sales still low
sales still low
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by london on Aug 14, 2015 9:04:59 GMT 1, one on ebay for 6k and 10k.
one on ebay for 6k and 10k.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by london on Aug 14, 2015 11:18:23 GMT 1, one on ebay for 6k and 10k.
How much is the spare you're selling on instagram?
Check PM
one on ebay for 6k and 10k.
How much is the spare you're selling on instagram?
Check PM
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by cyberkid on Aug 14, 2015 15:01:33 GMT 1, How would it feel if you get one for $6.5k and there's one on the bay for less. Must say, maybe this wasn't a first but personally I think this was one ugly way to handle your business. they offered me very late (!) the print for 6000$. because i am outside the US I refused the buy... 5000$ was my personal "dead line"... i don't think that many buyers accept >6k...
How would it feel if you get one for $6.5k and there's one on the bay for less. Must say, maybe this wasn't a first but personally I think this was one ugly way to handle your business. they offered me very late (!) the print for 6000$. because i am outside the US I refused the buy... 5000$ was my personal "dead line"... i don't think that many buyers accept >6k...
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by mla on Aug 14, 2015 15:59:24 GMT 1, I'm guessing he didn't realize the prices quoted were in gbp, not usd.
I'm guessing he didn't realize the prices quoted were in gbp, not usd.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by mla on Aug 14, 2015 16:59:24 GMT 1, I'll admit, I'm a little surprised it sold out within a day at the current prices. Most of the edition was sold at a significant jump over the last single print release. There was such hysteria around this release, and it will be interesting to see where things settle. I was in at $5K, but wasn't interested in playing the sliding scale pricing game and ponying up $6K when I got my call.
I'll admit, I'm a little surprised it sold out within a day at the current prices. Most of the edition was sold at a significant jump over the last single print release. There was such hysteria around this release, and it will be interesting to see where things settle. I was in at $5K, but wasn't interested in playing the sliding scale pricing game and ponying up $6K when I got my call.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Inknart on Aug 14, 2015 17:34:31 GMT 1, I'll admit, I'm a little surprised it sold out within a day at the current prices. Most of the edition was sold at a significant jump over the last single print release. There was such hysteria around this release, and it will be interesting to see where things settle. I was in at $5K, but wasn't interested in playing the sliding scale pricing game and ponying up $6K when I got my call. I think if it went up for sale on kawsone at 6500 it would have sold out almost instantly. When PTP is going for 6000 consistently he knows the market demands. I still don't understand why it's a shocking price, this is a very large print, larger than any print I have in my entire collection. It wouldn't surprise me at all if over the next year you see this one settled between 9-10k with PTP being much smaller and much less desirable selling for what it does, and only 1 I can see for sale at that for 6.5K. Also the fact that Pace had to call every email slowed down the sales process.
I'll admit, I'm a little surprised it sold out within a day at the current prices. Most of the edition was sold at a significant jump over the last single print release. There was such hysteria around this release, and it will be interesting to see where things settle. I was in at $5K, but wasn't interested in playing the sliding scale pricing game and ponying up $6K when I got my call. I think if it went up for sale on kawsone at 6500 it would have sold out almost instantly. When PTP is going for 6000 consistently he knows the market demands. I still don't understand why it's a shocking price, this is a very large print, larger than any print I have in my entire collection. It wouldn't surprise me at all if over the next year you see this one settled between 9-10k with PTP being much smaller and much less desirable selling for what it does, and only 1 I can see for sale at that for 6.5K. Also the fact that Pace had to call every email slowed down the sales process.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by mla on Aug 14, 2015 17:47:15 GMT 1, Where is PTP consistently going for 6k? There have been more visible sales below that point than above it.
I'm not sure why you keep preaching this massive size discrepancy. PTP is 32" x 32" and YKIK is 32" x 37.5". The difference is marginal. Both prints are quite large.
Also, I never said I was surprised with the price. I expected $5K, and it was...kind of.
Where is PTP consistently going for 6k? There have been more visible sales below that point than above it.
I'm not sure why you keep preaching this massive size discrepancy. PTP is 32" x 32" and YKIK is 32" x 37.5". The difference is marginal. Both prints are quite large.
Also, I never said I was surprised with the price. I expected $5K, and it was...kind of.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Inknart on Aug 14, 2015 18:05:18 GMT 1, Where is PTP consistently going for 6k? There have been more visible sales below that point than above it. I'm not sure why you keep preaching this massive size discrepancy. PTP is 32" x 32" and YKIK is 32" x 37.5". The difference is marginal. Both prints are quite large. Also, I never said I was surprised with the price. I expected $5K, and it was...kind of. The size between the two is quite substantial. Yes 32x32 is still a large print, but if you sized up both 32x37.5 is actually quite a big larger overall. Last presenting the past sold for 6k as previously stated in the thread by another member who sold it, 3800 gbp. Someone sold one on here for 5K and it was gone within a day within the past few months. PTP hasn't even been out for even a year, it's only been 10 months since it was released and already I only see 1 for sale, so really its a sellers market.
For reference here is a scaled drawing of PTP vs YKIK.
Where is PTP consistently going for 6k? There have been more visible sales below that point than above it. I'm not sure why you keep preaching this massive size discrepancy. PTP is 32" x 32" and YKIK is 32" x 37.5". The difference is marginal. Both prints are quite large. Also, I never said I was surprised with the price. I expected $5K, and it was...kind of. The size between the two is quite substantial. Yes 32x32 is still a large print, but if you sized up both 32x37.5 is actually quite a big larger overall. Last presenting the past sold for 6k as previously stated in the thread by another member who sold it, 3800 gbp. Someone sold one on here for 5K and it was gone within a day within the past few months. PTP hasn't even been out for even a year, it's only been 10 months since it was released and already I only see 1 for sale, so really its a sellers market. For reference here is a scaled drawing of PTP vs YKIK.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by mla on Aug 14, 2015 18:21:11 GMT 1, Glad you changed your scale drawing as it was off initially.
Not sure what exactly it proves, other than the difference is marginal.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question. Where is PTP "selling for 6k consistently"? You've cited one example from an anecdotal report in this thread that was framed. The current one on eBay tried selling for multiple times $6K, with no sales. Another framed one also was listed, at less than $6K and didn't sell.
Glad you changed your scale drawing as it was off initially.
Not sure what exactly it proves, other than the difference is marginal.
Anyways, you didn't answer my question. Where is PTP "selling for 6k consistently"? You've cited one example from an anecdotal report in this thread that was framed. The current one on eBay tried selling for multiple times $6K, with no sales. Another framed one also was listed, at less than $6K and didn't sell.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Inknart on Aug 14, 2015 18:27:43 GMT 1, Glad you changed your scale drawing as it was off initially. Not sure what exactly it proves, other than the difference is marginal. Anyways, you didn't answer my question. Where is PTP "selling for 6k consistently"? You've cited one example from an anecdotal report in this thread that was framed. The current one on eBay tried selling for multiple times $6K, with no sales. Another framed one also was listed, at less than $6K and didn't sell. He should take it to Paddle haha. Anyways not arguing, just going on what I've seen over the past few months. To me that's not a marginal difference, but I guess it is to others. Everyone is entitled to there thoughts . I'm belated about the size of this one if you haven't noticed! Just stoked on this release in general.
Glad you changed your scale drawing as it was off initially. Not sure what exactly it proves, other than the difference is marginal. Anyways, you didn't answer my question. Where is PTP "selling for 6k consistently"? You've cited one example from an anecdotal report in this thread that was framed. The current one on eBay tried selling for multiple times $6K, with no sales. Another framed one also was listed, at less than $6K and didn't sell. He should take it to Paddle haha. Anyways not arguing, just going on what I've seen over the past few months. To me that's not a marginal difference, but I guess it is to others. Everyone is entitled to there thoughts . I'm belated about the size of this one if you haven't noticed! Just stoked on this release in general.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by mla on Aug 14, 2015 18:30:55 GMT 1, Agreed on Paddle8. It's another world over there...
Anyways, I like the print. Enjoy it!
Agreed on Paddle8. It's another world over there...
Anyways, I like the print. Enjoy it!
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by CREAM on Aug 14, 2015 18:45:15 GMT 1, Holy hyping batman. You must have a lot of money invested in these prints inkart, you sure like to talk the price up!
Holy hyping batman. You must have a lot of money invested in these prints inkart, you sure like to talk the price up!
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Inknart on Aug 14, 2015 19:49:48 GMT 1, Holy hyping batman. You must have a lot of money invested in these prints inkart, you sure like to talk the price up! Just a Fan . Only have a couple other prints from Ups and Downs set. Not invested nor does the price in the future matter as they go on my walls and stay there. Talking prices, investment, trajectory is extremely common and all speculation on these boards. Banksy prices are talked about Every. Single. Day. I stand by everything I've said, and owning prints from the majority of the artists on this forum, I still can say with confidence KAWS prints are above and beyond the quality of 90% all my other prints, they really are on another level in their own right (Again my opinion).
Holy hyping batman. You must have a lot of money invested in these prints inkart, you sure like to talk the price up! Just a Fan . Only have a couple other prints from Ups and Downs set. Not invested nor does the price in the future matter as they go on my walls and stay there. Talking prices, investment, trajectory is extremely common and all speculation on these boards. Banksy prices are talked about Every. Single. Day. I stand by everything I've said, and owning prints from the majority of the artists on this forum, I still can say with confidence KAWS prints are above and beyond the quality of 90% all my other prints, they really are on another level in their own right (Again my opinion).
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by CREAM on Aug 14, 2015 20:09:07 GMT 1, I agree with you in terms of quality, my kaws print is my favorite I own. The inks are electric!
I agree with you in terms of quality, my kaws print is my favorite I own. The inks are electric!
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by cmodart on Aug 14, 2015 23:33:46 GMT 1, Anyone got cold feet?? PM ME
Anyone got cold feet? ? PM ME
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by strongsauzej on Aug 15, 2015 9:22:32 GMT 1, how much u think next year's print is gonna be? 6-7k for the first 10? lol
how much u think next year's print is gonna be? 6-7k for the first 10? lol
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by BKBOI on Aug 16, 2015 3:08:18 GMT 1, it's only sold out at the 7500 price point. Pace has multiples sitting in the back. I was in an exhibit once and they had prints by Keith Haring that were still available. Only thing is the asking prices are out of this world.
it's only sold out at the 7500 price point. Pace has multiples sitting in the back. I was in an exhibit once and they had prints by Keith Haring that were still available. Only thing is the asking prices are out of this world.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by london on Aug 17, 2015 9:16:24 GMT 1, Yeah If anyone needs I have a spare for sale. Pm me
Yeah If anyone needs I have a spare for sale. Pm me
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by met on Aug 17, 2015 19:48:24 GMT 1, I think pace is THE printmaker and gallery at this point in the United States. KAWS has it by the tail. Love the print. Will be tough to call it depending on price. Thinking $4k minimum. Pace is great, upper echelon of the upper echelon, but in a world with Gagosian, Zwirner, Hauser & Wirth, they are not THE gallery in the United States. I'd also say Universal Limited Art Editions(ULAE) is definitely more highly regard as a printer. I mean, ULAE had a retrospective at MoMA in 2007. Also of another generation when founded, but let's not forget the continued influence of Gemini G.E.L.
I think pace is THE printmaker and gallery at this point in the United States. KAWS has it by the tail. Love the print. Will be tough to call it depending on price. Thinking $4k minimum. Pace is great, upper echelon of the upper echelon, but in a world with Gagosian, Zwirner, Hauser & Wirth, they are not THE gallery in the United States. I'd also say Universal Limited Art Editions(ULAE) is definitely more highly regard as a printer. I mean, ULAE had a retrospective at MoMA in 2007. Also of another generation when founded, but let's not forget the continued influence of Gemini G.E.L.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by met on Aug 17, 2015 20:13:08 GMT 1, I got the call to my voicemail just now $6500 plus shipping, it just doesn't sit well with me that someone paid $1500 less and I emailed @ 12.00 on the dot. I like the idea of the prints being averaged out in price like someone suggested. They made it easy for me to not call them back. I will save my fire power for a possible Banksy release Or buy the Kaws print from last year. This comment was a good read. I sympathise and, from a psychological perspective, also consider the stance you've taken to be interesting.
You may agree that, ideally, the choice regarding whether or not to purchase the KAWS print should be based primarily on your assessment of its value (the term being used here in its broadest sense) and its desirability to you as a collector. The danger is that this assessment and your whole decision-making process are possibly being corrupted by two additional factors:
(i) an understandable resentment and annoyance at the immediate price increase โ in effect, a pricing discrimination exercised by Pace Prints between different collectors on the basis of just fractions of seconds in their email response times; and
(ii) a comparison you're making between two different prices: US $5,000 of course being a far more attractive price to pay than $6,500.
The influence of these other two factors could lead you to make a choice based largely on emotion, or on emotion-skewed principle. Objectively, and with the benefit of distance, this may not be in your best interest.
A different approach is first to completely forget about (to the extent that's possible) the price increase and initial price of $5,000.
Now ask yourself the same question you'll ask yourself in the future: "Is this KAWS print worth $6,500 to me?" If you can still answer "No it isn't" without hesitation, then โ at least on the basis of what you currently know โ you definitely made the decision that is right for you.
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All of this brings to mind a TED Talk by Dan Gilbert, Why we make bad decisions. In case you lack the time to view the whole talk, the most germane part to this discussion is from 8:20โ14:17 (and perhaps even more specifically, from 10:31โ11:17):
I got the call to my voicemail just now $6500 plus shipping, it just doesn't sit well with me that someone paid $1500 less and I emailed @ 12.00 on the dot. I like the idea of the prints being averaged out in price like someone suggested. They made it easy for me to not call them back. I will save my fire power for a possible Banksy release Or buy the Kaws print from last year. This comment was a good read. I sympathise and, from a psychological perspective, also consider the stance you've taken to be interesting. You may agree that, ideally, the choice regarding whether or not to purchase the KAWS print should be based primarily on your assessment of its value (the term being used here in its broadest sense) and its desirability to you as a collector. The danger is that this assessment and your whole decision-making process are possibly being corrupted by two additional factors: (i) an understandable resentment and annoyance at the immediate price increase โ in effect, a pricing discrimination exercised by Pace Prints between different collectors on the basis of just fractions of seconds in their email response times; and (ii) a comparison you're making between two different prices: US $5,000 of course being a far more attractive price to pay than $6,500. The influence of these other two factors could lead you to make a choice based largely on emotion, or on emotion-skewed principle. Objectively, and with the benefit of distance, this may not be in your best interest. A different approach is first to completely forget about (to the extent that's possible) the price increase and initial price of $5,000. Now ask yourself the same question you'll ask yourself in the future: "Is this KAWS print worth $6,500 to me?" If you can still answer "No it isn't" without hesitation, then โ at least on the basis of what you currently know โ you definitely made the decision that is right for you. ------------ All of this brings to mind a TED Talk by Dan Gilbert, Why we make bad decisions. In case you lack the time to view the whole talk, the most germane part to this discussion is from 8:20โ14:17 (and perhaps even more specifically, from 10:31โ11:17):
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by Unica on Aug 17, 2015 22:07:11 GMT 1, I got the call to my voicemail just now $6500 plus shipping, it just doesn't sit well with me that someone paid $1500 less and I emailed @ 12.00 on the dot. I like the idea of the prints being averaged out in price like someone suggested. They made it easy for me to not call them back. I will save my fire power for a possible Banksy release Or buy the Kaws print from last year. This comment was a good read. I sympathise and, from a psychological perspective, also consider the stance you've taken to be interesting. You may agree that, ideally, the choice regarding whether or not to purchase the KAWS print should be based primarily on your assessment of its value (the term being used here in its broadest sense) and its desirability to you as a collector. The danger is that this assessment and your whole decision-making process are possibly being corrupted by two additional factors: (i) an understandable resentment and annoyance at the immediate price increase โ in effect, a pricing discrimination exercised by Pace Prints between different collectors on the basis of just fractions of seconds in their email response times; and (ii) a comparison you're making between two different prices: US $5,000 of course being a far more attractive price to pay than $6,500. The influence of these other two factors could lead you to make a choice based largely on emotion, or on emotion-skewed principle. Objectively, and with the benefit of distance, this may not be in your best interest. A different approach is first to completely forget about (to the extent that's possible) the price increase and initial price of $5,000. Now ask yourself the same question you'll ask yourself in the future: "Is this KAWS print worth $6,500 to me?" If you can still answer "No it isn't" without hesitation, then โ at least on the basis of what you currently know โ you definitely made the decision that is right for you. ------------ All of this brings to mind a TED Talk by Dan Gilbert, Why we make bad decisions. In case you lack the time to view the whole talk, the most germane part to this discussion is from 8:20โ14:17 (and perhaps even more specifically, from 10:31โ11:17): Met, this was a most interesting post and one i'm going to think about for a while and will write a more in depth response once I have watched the video and have had time to reflect. I can at least share my current feelings with you at the moment. I have second guessed my decision since declining the print at $6500 and there have been moments where I wish I had bought the print for $6500. As I do like the print and may well have bought one if they had been the same price for each purchaser.
That being said it was an emotional decision as I'm sure I wouldn't be complaining If I had been offered one at $5k and would be rather pleased with myself in knowing that I was already at a lower buy in than most. I will contemplate and get back to you.
I got the call to my voicemail just now $6500 plus shipping, it just doesn't sit well with me that someone paid $1500 less and I emailed @ 12.00 on the dot. I like the idea of the prints being averaged out in price like someone suggested. They made it easy for me to not call them back. I will save my fire power for a possible Banksy release Or buy the Kaws print from last year. This comment was a good read. I sympathise and, from a psychological perspective, also consider the stance you've taken to be interesting. You may agree that, ideally, the choice regarding whether or not to purchase the KAWS print should be based primarily on your assessment of its value (the term being used here in its broadest sense) and its desirability to you as a collector. The danger is that this assessment and your whole decision-making process are possibly being corrupted by two additional factors: (i) an understandable resentment and annoyance at the immediate price increase โ in effect, a pricing discrimination exercised by Pace Prints between different collectors on the basis of just fractions of seconds in their email response times; and (ii) a comparison you're making between two different prices: US $5,000 of course being a far more attractive price to pay than $6,500. The influence of these other two factors could lead you to make a choice based largely on emotion, or on emotion-skewed principle. Objectively, and with the benefit of distance, this may not be in your best interest. A different approach is first to completely forget about (to the extent that's possible) the price increase and initial price of $5,000. Now ask yourself the same question you'll ask yourself in the future: "Is this KAWS print worth $6,500 to me?" If you can still answer "No it isn't" without hesitation, then โ at least on the basis of what you currently know โ you definitely made the decision that is right for you. ------------ All of this brings to mind a TED Talk by Dan Gilbert, Why we make bad decisions. In case you lack the time to view the whole talk, the most germane part to this discussion is from 8:20โ14:17 (and perhaps even more specifically, from 10:31โ11:17): Met, this was a most interesting post and one i'm going to think about for a while and will write a more in depth response once I have watched the video and have had time to reflect. I can at least share my current feelings with you at the moment. I have second guessed my decision since declining the print at $6500 and there have been moments where I wish I had bought the print for $6500. As I do like the print and may well have bought one if they had been the same price for each purchaser. That being said it was an emotional decision as I'm sure I wouldn't be complaining If I had been offered one at $5k and would be rather pleased with myself in knowing that I was already at a lower buy in than most. I will contemplate and get back to you.
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Kaws You Should Know I Know Print, by daveart on Aug 18, 2015 17:14:02 GMT 1, 2cents. if you like it hold your nose and pay the price. two scenaries in 10 years:
1. it sells at auction in 10 years for $25,000 .. spending an extra $1500 today will not be the thing you remember most. 2. it sells at auction in 10 years for $1,500 because the interest in this generations art is waning.. you also really wont care if you spent $5000 or $6500 .. it will hurt equally either way to take it off the wall , box it up, and sell it on knowing that basically it didnt pan out.
The future, is very , very hard to predict.. and i guess my point is.. if you like it .. in either scenerio it doesnt matter all that much what you pay for it. (assuming you have enough money to eat and cover all the other things in life).
2cents. if you like it hold your nose and pay the price. two scenaries in 10 years:
1. it sells at auction in 10 years for $25,000 .. spending an extra $1500 today will not be the thing you remember most. 2. it sells at auction in 10 years for $1,500 because the interest in this generations art is waning.. you also really wont care if you spent $5000 or $6500 .. it will hurt equally either way to take it off the wall , box it up, and sell it on knowing that basically it didnt pan out.
The future, is very , very hard to predict.. and i guess my point is.. if you like it .. in either scenerio it doesnt matter all that much what you pay for it. (assuming you have enough money to eat and cover all the other things in life).
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