Pistol
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Pistol on Oct 3, 2015 12:00:15 GMT 1, In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-)
In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-)
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:02:02 GMT 1, What p**ses me off is that I contacted the charity direct and offered full price for the print plus £1000 on top for their charity in advance. I explained that these would end up on eBay but they wouldn't have it, they basically turned down a donation of £1k that could have helped the children and the print would have been framed and kept. Sad really :-( Poor form to flip a charity piece unless your going to donate the profit back to them. I attempted something similar, and got no response from the charity by offering a large premium to cost. I'm hoping Stik raises his prices £2k for the next charity release.
Suppose if lots of folks did this and the charity sold to them it wouldnt be fair on those who queued for a long time for the deserved right to buy a print, frame it and hang it as some of them wouldve lost out for sure and and there were plenty more of them than flippers.
What p**ses me off is that I contacted the charity direct and offered full price for the print plus £1000 on top for their charity in advance. I explained that these would end up on eBay but they wouldn't have it, they basically turned down a donation of £1k that could have helped the children and the print would have been framed and kept. Sad really :-( Poor form to flip a charity piece unless your going to donate the profit back to them. I attempted something similar, and got no response from the charity by offering a large premium to cost. I'm hoping Stik raises his prices £2k for the next charity release. Suppose if lots of folks did this and the charity sold to them it wouldnt be fair on those who queued for a long time for the deserved right to buy a print, frame it and hang it as some of them wouldve lost out for sure and and there were plenty more of them than flippers. |
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simonsion
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by simonsion on Oct 3, 2015 12:19:38 GMT 1, So you tried to jump the queue ,, and lets be honest £1500 would have been a bargain .. Most of his work is and was worth more before the sale of baby
So you tried to jump the queue ,, and lets be honest £1500 would have been a bargain .. Most of his work is and was worth more before the sale of baby
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:22:20 GMT 1, In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-)
I dont really get how this is a shame or a win win except for you at the expense of someone who spent a long time queuing. Details of the time, date and wherabouts of release where published well in advance, folks just had to get there.Easier said than done for most, non starter for me working and living north of aberdeen but such is life.
It wouldve been a shame for the 101st person in the queue....
In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-) I dont really get how this is a shame or a win win except for you at the expense of someone who spent a long time queuing. Details of the time, date and wherabouts of release where published well in advance, folks just had to get there.Easier said than done for most, non starter for me working and living north of aberdeen but such is life. It wouldve been a shame for the 101st person in the queue.... |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:22:45 GMT 1, Maybe next time they could do an online drop where you have to donate.
First 100 people who donate £1000 get the print
First 5 people who donate £2000 get an ap
It would make a shed load for the named charity and most certainly put off any potential flippers.
Just an idea no idea if it could work
Maybe next time they could do an online drop where you have to donate.
First 100 people who donate £1000 get the print
First 5 people who donate £2000 get an ap
It would make a shed load for the named charity and most certainly put off any potential flippers.
Just an idea no idea if it could work
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Unica
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Unica on Oct 3, 2015 12:22:54 GMT 1, Poor form to flip a charity piece unless your going to donate the profit back to them. I attempted something similar, and got no response from the charity by offering a large premium to cost. I'm hoping Stik raises his prices £2k for the next charity release. Suppose if lots of folks did this and the charity sold to them it wouldnt be fair on those who queued for a long time for the deserved right to buy a print, frame it and hang it as some of them wouldve lost out for sure and and there were plenty more of them than flippers.
Poor form to flip a charity piece unless your going to donate the profit back to them. I attempted something similar, and got no response from the charity by offering a large premium to cost. I'm hoping Stik raises his prices £2k for the next charity release. Suppose if lots of folks did this and the charity sold to them it wouldnt be fair on those who queued for a long time for the deserved right to buy a print, frame it and hang it as some of them wouldve lost out for sure and and there were plenty more of them than flippers. Fair point, how about selling them at £2k to assure the charity gets full market value for the prints, stops the flippers and will also assure that people will buy if they really want it. |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:31:58 GMT 1, In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-)
The discussion on flipping charity prints has been done so many times on here. But just one more time, I don't recall anyone complaining post CYW release that it shouldn't be resold due to its charitable affiliation.
In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-) This makes no sense at all, as in effect you tried to buy a queue jumping pass through an extra donation. The market price is clearly more than £1500, so it would've been underpaying as well. By now, I'm sure Stik is fully aware of the value of his prints on the secondary market and there is no reason to suggest that he is uncomfortable with it. The discussion on flipping charity prints has been done so many times on here. But just one more time, I don't recall anyone complaining post CYW release that it shouldn't be resold due to its charitable affiliation. |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:34:52 GMT 1, In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-) This makes no sense at all, as in effect you tried to buy a queue jumping pass through an extra donation. The market price is clearly more than £1500, so it would've been underpaying as well. By now, I'm sure Stik is fully aware of the value of his prints on the secondary market and there is no reason to suggest that he is uncomfortable with it. The discussion on flipping charity prints has been done so many times on here. But just one more time, I don't recall anyone complaining post CYW release that it shouldn't be resold due to its charitable affiliation.
Like the fellah said, at £1500 a win win !
In fairness I did get a reply but they said it was on a first come first served basis. I explained that I couldn't make it but made no difference. Such a shame I could have had a print I would love and that £1k could have helped their cause. I do a fair bit of work for charity through my art and genuinely thought it was a win win situation. It was so obvious what would happen with eBay. I have met Stik and he is a good guy. Would still be happy to do this if an a/p should appear from somewhere or someone generous wanted to sell theirs at cost and see more donated to the charity ;-) This makes no sense at all, as in effect you tried to buy a queue jumping pass through an extra donation. The market price is clearly more than £1500, so it would've been underpaying as well. By now, I'm sure Stik is fully aware of the value of his prints on the secondary market and there is no reason to suggest that he is uncomfortable with it. The discussion on flipping charity prints has been done so many times on here. But just one more time, I don't recall anyone complaining post CYW release that it shouldn't be resold due to its charitable affiliation. Like the fellah said, at £1500 a win win ! |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:37:56 GMT 1, This makes no sense at all, as in effect you tried to buy a queue jumping pass through an extra donation. The market price is clearly more than £1500, so it would've been underpaying as well. By now, I'm sure Stik is fully aware of the value of his prints on the secondary market and there is no reason to suggest that he is uncomfortable with it. The discussion on flipping charity prints has been done so many times on here. But just one more time, I don't recall anyone complaining post CYW release that it shouldn't be resold due to its charitable affiliation. Like the fellah said, at £1500 a win win !
This makes no sense at all, as in effect you tried to buy a queue jumping pass through an extra donation. The market price is clearly more than £1500, so it would've been underpaying as well. By now, I'm sure Stik is fully aware of the value of his prints on the secondary market and there is no reason to suggest that he is uncomfortable with it. The discussion on flipping charity prints has been done so many times on here. But just one more time, I don't recall anyone complaining post CYW release that it shouldn't be resold due to its charitable affiliation. Like the fellah said, at £1500 a win win ! But it's not a win-win, as Stik had set the price and it would have been completely unfair to have started doing a secret auction, which would have meant fewer than 100 prints available. If anyone wants to pay more for the print, there will be in due course an auction of APs. |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 12:42:28 GMT 1, Like the fellah said, at £1500 a win win ! But it's not a win-win, as Stik had set the price and it would be completely unfair to have started doing a secret auction.
My witty jokes dont come across well, apologies, i was being flippant.
Like the fellah said, at £1500 a win win ! But it's not a win-win, as Stik had set the price and it would be completely unfair to have started doing a secret auction. My witty jokes dont come across well, apologies, i was being flippant. |
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Unica
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Unica on Oct 3, 2015 12:55:52 GMT 1, Not sure if fairness comes into this, isn't the point of the release to raise money for charity and not distribute a discounted print to art collectors.
Not sure if fairness comes into this, isn't the point of the release to raise money for charity and not distribute a discounted print to art collectors.
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Wilson
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Wilson on Oct 3, 2015 13:45:10 GMT 1, The absolute answer is an open edition print. The charity does well, the flippers do bad and art lovers get something for the wall.
Only thing is that Stk seems to be quite carefully protecting his brand with small infrequent print releases.
The absolute answer is an open edition print. The charity does well, the flippers do bad and art lovers get something for the wall.
Only thing is that Stk seems to be quite carefully protecting his brand with small infrequent print releases.
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by sakyamuni on Oct 3, 2015 13:58:38 GMT 1, The absolute answer is an open edition print. The charity does well, the flippers do bad and art lovers get something for the wall. Only thing is that Stk seems to be quite carefully protecting his brand with small infrequent print releases. 
The absolute answer is an open edition print. The charity does well, the flippers do bad and art lovers get something for the wall. Only thing is that Stk seems to be quite carefully protecting his brand with small infrequent print releases. exactly. Just like Jeremy geddes did. his latest reached 1411 in 24 hours... that's a lot to sign but also a lot of money and happy people |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by tab1 on Oct 3, 2015 14:20:12 GMT 1, The absolute answer is an open edition print. The charity does well, the flippers do bad and art lovers get something for the wall. Only thing is that Stk seems to be quite carefully protecting his brand with small infrequent print releases. exactly. Just like Jeremy geddes did. his latest reached 1411 in 24 hours... that's a lot to sign but also a lot of money and happy people
That's what keeps his exclusivity and gains the cult following , although fair and raises more , the collector likes to collect limited editions .and gains the high prices his canvases command .
Look what happened to dot dot , dolk and whatson when increased edition sizes and release more frequently , stagnates
The absolute answer is an open edition print. The charity does well, the flippers do bad and art lovers get something for the wall. Only thing is that Stk seems to be quite carefully protecting his brand with small infrequent print releases. exactly. Just like Jeremy geddes did. his latest reached 1411 in 24 hours... that's a lot to sign but also a lot of money and happy people That's what keeps his exclusivity and gains the cult following , although fair and raises more , the collector likes to collect limited editions .and gains the high prices his canvases command . Look what happened to dot dot , dolk and whatson when increased edition sizes and release more frequently , stagnates |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by grollies on Oct 3, 2015 14:28:03 GMT 1, Hi All.
Why not just list 5 sets of 4, 1 of each colour, same number and the other 80 as singles on everybody's favourite auction site. End them all a minute apart. People who want 1 should get what they want. Unless of course, prices pushed way high.
Just a thought.
Cheers.
Hi All.
Why not just list 5 sets of 4, 1 of each colour, same number and the other 80 as singles on everybody's favourite auction site. End them all a minute apart. People who want 1 should get what they want. Unless of course, prices pushed way high.
Just a thought.
Cheers.
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by simonsion on Oct 3, 2015 14:33:15 GMT 1, Why not do exactly what he done and has been doing for years ..
Why not do exactly what he done and has been doing for years ..
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by cyberkid on Oct 3, 2015 14:58:55 GMT 1, this is a normal thing in the art world. doesn't matter if urban art, charity, prints or canvasses...
buying, selling, trading, gambling...money goes around. nobody can stop it...
this is a normal thing in the art world. doesn't matter if urban art, charity, prints or canvasses...
buying, selling, trading, gambling...money goes around. nobody can stop it...
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by tab1 on Oct 3, 2015 15:43:28 GMT 1, A lot of spite sometimes when missed out on a print drop when a sale so near after and a few members that are selling now are usually against selling after ;-)
Personally it doesn't matter if sold , as said its always going to happen , part what makes an artist so desirable
if the money's that high where else could you get £2500 profit in the space of a week ,!Banksy is traded for profit all the time .
Great pr for all the new people just finding about stik via foyles released book .
Free nhs donation print raises 50k then logging on to eBay and seeing how much the prints are selling for , looks like a 48hr queue next print release and mass fake tickets in the queue :-)
Still I think these will drop back in 3 months time ,whose patient enough? Xmas money needed ;-)
A lot of spite sometimes when missed out on a print drop when a sale so near after and a few members that are selling now are usually against selling after ;-)
Personally it doesn't matter if sold , as said its always going to happen , part what makes an artist so desirable
if the money's that high where else could you get £2500 profit in the space of a week ,!Banksy is traded for profit all the time .
Great pr for all the new people just finding about stik via foyles released book .
Free nhs donation print raises 50k then logging on to eBay and seeing how much the prints are selling for , looks like a 48hr queue next print release and mass fake tickets in the queue :-)
Still I think these will drop back in 3 months time ,whose patient enough? Xmas money needed ;-)
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Elvis to Pete on Oct 3, 2015 15:52:33 GMT 1, There was only one failing with the release...that was not putting out a statement that day or prior that "Stik" would be present at the release and after he would be signing open editions of "SleepingBaby" for all those that missed out on the edition or wanted to come along with a back catalouge of poster/books that he would happily sign for you.
There was only one failing with the release...that was not putting out a statement that day or prior that "Stik" would be present at the release and after he would be signing open editions of "SleepingBaby" for all those that missed out on the edition or wanted to come along with a back catalouge of poster/books that he would happily sign for you.
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Art Fan 2011 on Oct 3, 2015 16:15:05 GMT 1, Stik is an artist and not a business person - like most artist's they take great delight in sharing there passion with others, expressing themselves and making statements using the medium of art - however when it comes to making money and buliding a "business", there talents are strictly artistic and nothing more!
Stik is an artist and not a business person - like most artist's they take great delight in sharing there passion with others, expressing themselves and making statements using the medium of art - however when it comes to making money and buliding a "business", there talents are strictly artistic and nothing more!
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by cmodart on Oct 3, 2015 16:17:50 GMT 1, Oh Gunny, your post is like a Downtown Abbey dinner guest picking up the wrong sized fork to eat pudding. Probably more like a guest pulling out a dildo and stirring their tea with it.
bravo Wilson. Take a bow - you've won the Internet with this post. Hilarious.
Oh Gunny, your post is like a Downtown Abbey dinner guest picking up the wrong sized fork to eat pudding. Probably more like a guest pulling out a dildo and stirring their tea with it. bravo Wilson. Take a bow - you've won the Internet with this post. Hilarious. |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by tab1 on Oct 3, 2015 16:30:27 GMT 1, Stik is an artist and not a business person - like most artist's they take great delight in sharing there passion with others, expressing themselves and making statements using the medium of art - however when it comes to making money and buliding a "business", there talents are strictly artistic and nothing more!
The artist always stays true to original form and thoughts you can tell by his interviews and in person when you meet him but as any popular artists gains notoriety they have advisors / managers and pr people that sets a course for their market and ends up a business , they take % so in their interest
Even from the lower end artists working with galleries , galleries have a lot of say in edition sizes , where to market , type of clientele to sell to etc.
For a major publishing house to invest in a book their marketing team and pr department would have some sort of plans / career plans with the artists manager
Stik is an artist and not a business person - like most artist's they take great delight in sharing there passion with others, expressing themselves and making statements using the medium of art - however when it comes to making money and buliding a "business", there talents are strictly artistic and nothing more! The artist always stays true to original form and thoughts you can tell by his interviews and in person when you meet him but as any popular artists gains notoriety they have advisors / managers and pr people that sets a course for their market and ends up a business , they take % so in their interest Even from the lower end artists working with galleries , galleries have a lot of say in edition sizes , where to market , type of clientele to sell to etc. For a major publishing house to invest in a book their marketing team and pr department would have some sort of plans / career plans with the artists manager |
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Ddog on Oct 3, 2015 18:17:26 GMT 1, Let's not get things twisted. With 100 prints he managed to raise £50,000 for the hospital!
That's an insane amount of money for such a short period of time. IMO anyone that queued deserves to do what the hell they want with it - it's their property.
Like a previous member wrote on here, people have had signed banksy's from release and don't bat an eyelid on them selling something for £20,30,40k + .
The charity looked after its own interest. Held a sale and raised £50,000. Anyone who spent the time queuing and spending their hard earned time and cash can do whatever they like with it. And to someone who wrote they should sell at cost and donate to charity... Pah! The hospital had absolutely no qualms about leaving us out in the cold and rain for 11+ hours waiting for the print.
As the saying goes, it is what it is.
Don't feel sorry for the hospital, they're more than happy with their raised funds from one print release
Let's not get things twisted. With 100 prints he managed to raise £50,000 for the hospital!
That's an insane amount of money for such a short period of time. IMO anyone that queued deserves to do what the hell they want with it - it's their property.
Like a previous member wrote on here, people have had signed banksy's from release and don't bat an eyelid on them selling something for £20,30,40k + .
The charity looked after its own interest. Held a sale and raised £50,000. Anyone who spent the time queuing and spending their hard earned time and cash can do whatever they like with it. And to someone who wrote they should sell at cost and donate to charity... Pah! The hospital had absolutely no qualms about leaving us out in the cold and rain for 11+ hours waiting for the print.
As the saying goes, it is what it is.
Don't feel sorry for the hospital, they're more than happy with their raised funds from one print release
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Pistol
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Pistol on Oct 3, 2015 18:42:17 GMT 1, Nice to see you got one, well done!! :-)
Nice to see you got one, well done!! :-)
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 18:59:00 GMT 1, If anyone wants to sell a signed banksy at cost I'll donate 3k to charity !!!!!
If anyone wants to sell a signed banksy at cost I'll donate 3k to charity !!!!!
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Schrödinger's Chat on Oct 3, 2015 19:26:13 GMT 1, To each there own, I assume it would be +10% To 14% more on eBay to cover off fees.
This conversation/debate did make me think though, if at least 21 of the 100 prints sell for £3k on the secondary then the opportunists/flippers call them what you will, will have collectively made more money than the charity (not including sale of APs).
But ultimately good for Stik, great for the charity, the rest is a footnote.
To each there own, I assume it would be +10% To 14% more on eBay to cover off fees.
This conversation/debate did make me think though, if at least 21 of the 100 prints sell for £3k on the secondary then the opportunists/flippers call them what you will, will have collectively made more money than the charity (not including sale of APs).
But ultimately good for Stik, great for the charity, the rest is a footnote.
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 19:34:09 GMT 1, If anyone wants to sell a signed banksy at cost I'll donate 3k to charity !!!!!
Lol
If anyone wants to sell a signed banksy at cost I'll donate 3k to charity !!!!! Lol |
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tab1
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by tab1 on Oct 3, 2015 20:24:24 GMT 1, Now people will be griping about transparency
Now people will be griping about transparency
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by Bamboo Charcoal on Oct 3, 2015 20:37:17 GMT 1, Is the name of the print crybaby?
Is the name of the print crybaby?
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Stik Sleeping Baby, by DrWhite on Oct 3, 2015 20:40:33 GMT 1,
I see this release has brought out the best in human nature 
I see this release has brought out the best in human nature |
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