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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by natstan on Mar 9, 2016 3:27:13 GMT 1, Just a sidetrack... how long on average does an artist work in a certain style? Do they churn out the same stuff over, say a decade?
Just a sidetrack... how long on average does an artist work in a certain style? Do they churn out the same stuff over, say a decade?
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Mar 9, 2016 4:18:06 GMT 1, With all this neg feedback, this will probs be a release /200. Still not buying.
With all this neg feedback, this will probs be a release /200. Still not buying.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by TeddyJ on Mar 9, 2016 6:28:15 GMT 1, With all this neg feedback, this will probs be a release /200. Still not buying.
Think that some of this naging is people who is buying, but hoping for a lower run.
With all this neg feedback, this will probs be a release /200. Still not buying. Think that some of this naging is people who is buying, but hoping for a lower run.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by darkcity on Mar 9, 2016 7:08:25 GMT 1, I dont think its poeple hoping for a lower run, i think the opinions shared are valid and state many unfortunate facts. Whats unfortunate is Sandra is a talented artist by far however an artist that will remain prevelant for decades to come most likely not, especially with stunts like this, arguing that artists like geddes or james jean do the same is a far cry, as they have been honing their Craft for over 20 yrs plus and have offered so much more over the span of their career, their work appreciated over time and gained recognition based on trchnique and merit, i do not mean to speak ill of anyone artist or about his or her work but when you have a situation like this, one would think its being done for tbe fans to obtain an affordable piece but in all actuallity shes tied in specifically with this gallerie primarilly and $290 for a glicee is almost an insult, latley all images seem to be glicees and seem to have no effort behind the selection of the image. Taking advantage or being dean collection approved does not male a print worth price guaging, every seasoned collector will tell you to buy what you like and to avoid buying for investment but this is being priced to accomadate not her secondary market price but her current hype value and this rings true on many levels. Not to discredit her work and her talent but i dont see this edition going over a 1000, although im sure they are hoping, as the profit would be 5 fold the printing cost for something this size and quality...just my two cents...in the words of kevin o'leary from shark tank, take this one out back and shoot it, im out..
I dont think its poeple hoping for a lower run, i think the opinions shared are valid and state many unfortunate facts. Whats unfortunate is Sandra is a talented artist by far however an artist that will remain prevelant for decades to come most likely not, especially with stunts like this, arguing that artists like geddes or james jean do the same is a far cry, as they have been honing their Craft for over 20 yrs plus and have offered so much more over the span of their career, their work appreciated over time and gained recognition based on trchnique and merit, i do not mean to speak ill of anyone artist or about his or her work but when you have a situation like this, one would think its being done for tbe fans to obtain an affordable piece but in all actuallity shes tied in specifically with this gallerie primarilly and $290 for a glicee is almost an insult, latley all images seem to be glicees and seem to have no effort behind the selection of the image. Taking advantage or being dean collection approved does not male a print worth price guaging, every seasoned collector will tell you to buy what you like and to avoid buying for investment but this is being priced to accomadate not her secondary market price but her current hype value and this rings true on many levels. Not to discredit her work and her talent but i dont see this edition going over a 1000, although im sure they are hoping, as the profit would be 5 fold the printing cost for something this size and quality...just my two cents...in the words of kevin o'leary from shark tank, take this one out back and shoot it, im out..
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by d.r. perseus on Mar 9, 2016 7:53:21 GMT 1, i was going to write something as an owner of a Family Blood HF and over reproduction and production of cheap mass copies of blah blah but thought F-it, i am going to watch some T. Minchin.
I love owning the print. Hopefully it doesnt go the route of the comics it bears....oh who am I kidding.
i was going to write something as an owner of a Family Blood HF and over reproduction and production of cheap mass copies of blah blah but thought F-it, i am going to watch some T. Minchin.
I love owning the print. Hopefully it doesnt go the route of the comics it bears....oh who am I kidding.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Dr Plip on Mar 9, 2016 9:03:04 GMT 1, Just a sidetrack... how long on average does an artist work in a certain style? Do they churn out the same stuff over, say a decade? If they're comfortable in their own skin, an artist can chug away, ploughing their own artistic furrow for decades. Or life. If they're just making what the public want to purchase, then the public get to decide I guess.
I love traditionally attractive women and superhero comic books as much as the next guy, but I would personally like to see fewer superheroes or more "average" looking women. In fact, I'd like to see more normal representations of men and women in art generally speaking. Stretch marks, spare tyre, imperfect teeth, uneven breasts (on women too), that kind of thing.
Just a sidetrack... how long on average does an artist work in a certain style? Do they churn out the same stuff over, say a decade? If they're comfortable in their own skin, an artist can chug away, ploughing their own artistic furrow for decades. Or life. If they're just making what the public want to purchase, then the public get to decide I guess.
I love traditionally attractive women and superhero comic books as much as the next guy, but I would personally like to see fewer superheroes or more "average" looking women. In fact, I'd like to see more normal representations of men and women in art generally speaking. Stretch marks, spare tyre, imperfect teeth, uneven breasts (on women too), that kind of thing.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by tab1 on Mar 9, 2016 9:07:41 GMT 1, Could be popular if released at a comic convention!;-) Glicee are at the bottom of my list, no skill or technique from the artist , putting a trained printer out of a job .
She's had a good past year in sales so far
Could be popular if released at a comic convention!;-) Glicee are at the bottom of my list, no skill or technique from the artist , putting a trained printer out of a job .
She's had a good past year in sales so far
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Dr Plip on Mar 9, 2016 9:09:35 GMT 1, There's already enough sexploitation in the comic book industry.
There's already enough sexploitation in the comic book industry.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by darkcity on Mar 9, 2016 13:05:25 GMT 1, Again this is not being done for tbe right reasons at the rigjt time, thats the issue and thats why your reading most if the comments being posted, i dont feel as though people are purposely being negative for anyone reason ther then the simple fact a print is being churned strictly taking advantage kf tbe artists current position to e "hyped" and yes the price does not align with the tactic being pulled here so again its just poor timing and execution on all ends and the only people ending up with one of tbese inhand will be the ones who are thinking "i finaly scored one" or " i fonally have one up in my wall" even if they dont like or enjoy the image in particular or the quality.
We are seeing too much if this too often and ts getting old fast.
Again this is not being done for tbe right reasons at the rigjt time, thats the issue and thats why your reading most if the comments being posted, i dont feel as though people are purposely being negative for anyone reason ther then the simple fact a print is being churned strictly taking advantage kf tbe artists current position to e "hyped" and yes the price does not align with the tactic being pulled here so again its just poor timing and execution on all ends and the only people ending up with one of tbese inhand will be the ones who are thinking "i finaly scored one" or " i fonally have one up in my wall" even if they dont like or enjoy the image in particular or the quality.
We are seeing too much if this too often and ts getting old fast.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by docean on Mar 9, 2016 14:10:19 GMT 1, JP gets on here, I wonder if he's got any comments on this.
side note; loved the Kevin O'Leary quote.
JP gets on here, I wonder if he's got any comments on this.
side note; loved the Kevin O'Leary quote.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Happy Go Lucky Chap on Mar 9, 2016 15:57:29 GMT 1, I also remember about a year or so ago, she did an unsigned timed release with papirmass, which cost about £15 delivered.
I also remember about a year or so ago, she did an unsigned timed release with papirmass, which cost about £15 delivered.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by darkcity on Mar 9, 2016 16:34:03 GMT 1, JP gets on here, I wonder if he's got any comments on this. side note; loved the Kevin O'Leary quote.
Thank you, i couldnt have worded it better so i thought that was tge right quote for the occasion
JP gets on here, I wonder if he's got any comments on this. side note; loved the Kevin O'Leary quote. Thank you, i couldnt have worded it better so i thought that was tge right quote for the occasion
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Aza on Mar 9, 2016 17:26:02 GMT 1, Sometimes people think that this forum is the be all and end all of art collectors and is a major factor in things. In reality though it isn't.
I'm not a fan of Sandra, however I am sure there are many out there who will be very happy at this release because they get a chance to own something from her without the bun fight and flipper's prices. Most of those people probably don't give a shit about the values rising or dropping, they just want it for the wall. Not everyone considers every purchase to be an investment.
Well that's my thinking anyway
Sometimes people think that this forum is the be all and end all of art collectors and is a major factor in things. In reality though it isn't. I'm not a fan of Sandra, however I am sure there are many out there who will be very happy at this release because they get a chance to own something from her without the bun fight and flipper's prices. Most of those people probably don't give a shit about the values rising or dropping, they just want it for the wall. Not everyone considers every purchase to be an investment. Well that's my thinking anyway
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by docean on Mar 9, 2016 17:50:54 GMT 1, whether you think of it as an investment or not, you still don't want to feel as if you're getting shafted.
whether you think of it as an investment or not, you still don't want to feel as if you're getting shafted.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by nighthawk on Mar 9, 2016 18:14:14 GMT 1, Why do you feel like you're getting the shaft?
Why do you feel like you're getting the shaft?
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by onetwothree on Mar 9, 2016 18:22:02 GMT 1, I also remember about a year or so ago, she did an unsigned timed release with papirmass, which cost about £15 delivered.
Behave. Really? That's some inflation
I also remember about a year or so ago, she did an unsigned timed release with papirmass, which cost about £15 delivered. Behave. Really? That's some inflation
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 18:23:53 GMT 1, I don't see a problem. No one is forced to buy the print.
I don't see a problem. No one is forced to buy the print.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by docean on Mar 9, 2016 18:39:54 GMT 1, Why do you feel like you're getting the shaft? Well I'm not, because I would never buy this.
But $290 for an open edition? C'mon.
the goal of an open is to give everyone a shot and grow your fan base. but you're creating artificial exclusivity by pricing it so high. you can't have both, it just doesn't work.
Why do you feel like you're getting the shaft? Well I'm not, because I would never buy this. But $290 for an open edition? C'mon. the goal of an open is to give everyone a shot and grow your fan base. but you're creating artificial exclusivity by pricing it so high. you can't have both, it just doesn't work.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by nighthawk on Mar 9, 2016 18:44:44 GMT 1, I disagree. I'd say the open edition is not necessarily to grow a fan base, but to provide for an already existing one, which is what she is doing! And again, it's not priced THAT high. Look at similar artists and their timed editions, and you'll see that most are within $100 of one and other.
I disagree. I'd say the open edition is not necessarily to grow a fan base, but to provide for an already existing one, which is what she is doing! And again, it's not priced THAT high. Look at similar artists and their timed editions, and you'll see that most are within $100 of one and other.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 19:09:59 GMT 1, Why do you feel like you're getting the shaft? Well I'm not, because I would never buy this. But $290 for an open edition? C'mon. the goal of an open is to give everyone a shot and grow your fan base. but you're creating artificial exclusivity by pricing it so high. you can't have both, it just doesn't work. It's not an open edition. It's still a limited edition. Once the time period is over and they are taken off sale The amount sold will determine the edition size. A open edition is different all together
Why do you feel like you're getting the shaft? Well I'm not, because I would never buy this. But $290 for an open edition? C'mon. the goal of an open is to give everyone a shot and grow your fan base. but you're creating artificial exclusivity by pricing it so high. you can't have both, it just doesn't work. It's not an open edition. It's still a limited edition. Once the time period is over and they are taken off sale The amount sold will determine the edition size. A open edition is different all together
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by onetwothree on Mar 9, 2016 19:11:58 GMT 1, I guess about 500?
I guess about 500?
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by docean on Mar 9, 2016 19:17:13 GMT 1, Well I'm not, because I would never buy this. But $290 for an open edition? C'mon. the goal of an open is to give everyone a shot and grow your fan base. but you're creating artificial exclusivity by pricing it so high. you can't have both, it just doesn't work. It's not an open edition. It's still a limited edition. Once the time period is over and they are taken off sale The amount sold will determine the edition size. A open edition is different all together for all intents and purposes it's open. 72 hours is ample time for any SC fan to pick one up.
Well I'm not, because I would never buy this. But $290 for an open edition? C'mon. the goal of an open is to give everyone a shot and grow your fan base. but you're creating artificial exclusivity by pricing it so high. you can't have both, it just doesn't work. It's not an open edition. It's still a limited edition. Once the time period is over and they are taken off sale The amount sold will determine the edition size. A open edition is different all together for all intents and purposes it's open. 72 hours is ample time for any SC fan to pick one up.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Aza on Mar 9, 2016 19:40:34 GMT 1, Which is the idea
Which is the idea
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 19:45:09 GMT 1, It's not an open edition. It's still a limited edition. Once the time period is over and they are taken off sale The amount sold will determine the edition size. A open edition is different all together for all intents and purposes it's open. 72 hours is ample time for any SC fan to pick one up. Just because it's timed doesn't make it an open edition.
its a timed release of a limited edition print.
an open edition is somthing totally different.
It's not an open edition. It's still a limited edition. Once the time period is over and they are taken off sale The amount sold will determine the edition size. A open edition is different all together for all intents and purposes it's open. 72 hours is ample time for any SC fan to pick one up. Just because it's timed doesn't make it an open edition. its a timed release of a limited edition print. an open edition is somthing totally different.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by chichi carter on Mar 9, 2016 20:00:16 GMT 1, for all intents and purposes it's open. 72 hours is ample time for any SC fan to pick one up. Just because it's timed doesn't make it an open edition. its a timed release of a limited edition print. an open edition is somthing totally different. Exactly. The timed edition will be limited to the amount sold in 72 hours. An open edition can always be reprinted in the future.
for all intents and purposes it's open. 72 hours is ample time for any SC fan to pick one up. Just because it's timed doesn't make it an open edition. its a timed release of a limited edition print. an open edition is somthing totally different. Exactly. The timed edition will be limited to the amount sold in 72 hours. An open edition can always be reprinted in the future.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by msobel3 on Mar 9, 2016 20:25:49 GMT 1, You guys are awfully hard to please.
When she releases a limited edition print, it gets snapped up within seconds and people complain about not being able to get one. When she does a release that allows everyone to get one, people complain that she is simply doing a cash grab.
Someone has said that she is trying to create artificial exclusivity... But clearly that is not the case, as every print of hers sells out almost instantly. The exclusivity is real.
I understand that this print is a glicee but people just paid $1100 for a glicee of hers at Art Basel. It is a large and beautiful print in my opinion. I'm sure the quality will be top notch. As we found out recently, when she tried to do a large screen print and it wasn't exactly perfect, people were really unhappy. So rather than go down that route again, she came up with, in my opinion, a great solution. A very large print at a price that can be afforded by her collectors and enough time for anyone who wants one to get one. What other piece of hers can you get under $300? Retnas Braddock Tiles prints trade hands at over $500 now.... I would much rather have this new print from Sandra on my wall.
You guys are awfully hard to please.
When she releases a limited edition print, it gets snapped up within seconds and people complain about not being able to get one. When she does a release that allows everyone to get one, people complain that she is simply doing a cash grab.
Someone has said that she is trying to create artificial exclusivity... But clearly that is not the case, as every print of hers sells out almost instantly. The exclusivity is real.
I understand that this print is a glicee but people just paid $1100 for a glicee of hers at Art Basel. It is a large and beautiful print in my opinion. I'm sure the quality will be top notch. As we found out recently, when she tried to do a large screen print and it wasn't exactly perfect, people were really unhappy. So rather than go down that route again, she came up with, in my opinion, a great solution. A very large print at a price that can be afforded by her collectors and enough time for anyone who wants one to get one. What other piece of hers can you get under $300? Retnas Braddock Tiles prints trade hands at over $500 now.... I would much rather have this new print from Sandra on my wall.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by docean on Mar 9, 2016 20:59:19 GMT 1, First of all: arguing the difference between timed edition and open edition does not change the foundation of the arguments here. at some point even open editions get taken down/stopped being printed (ex: Shep does it all the time). Any open edition is a long timed edition unless your print forever. Fact of the matter is that there is the possibility for an unlimited number of people to obtain it...
...which leads me to my second of all: they are trying to create artificial exclusivity. Every other print of hers selling out instantly has literally nothing to do with exclusivity of this one. They sell out instantly because there are a large number of buyers and very few items. (25 for the basel example since that was mentioned)
They do an open edition to give everyone a chance, yet set the price high enough that large number of people can't justify it (this thread: prime example). That's attempting to create some sort of exclusivity for a print who's very nature shouldn't be.
Love SC's art, I think it's original and the quality of her giclees really is superb, but I can't fathom how anybody doesn't see the price as distasteful.
First of all: arguing the difference between timed edition and open edition does not change the foundation of the arguments here. at some point even open editions get taken down/stopped being printed (ex: Shep does it all the time). Any open edition is a long timed edition unless your print forever. Fact of the matter is that there is the possibility for an unlimited number of people to obtain it...
...which leads me to my second of all: they are trying to create artificial exclusivity. Every other print of hers selling out instantly has literally nothing to do with exclusivity of this one. They sell out instantly because there are a large number of buyers and very few items. (25 for the basel example since that was mentioned)
They do an open edition to give everyone a chance, yet set the price high enough that large number of people can't justify it (this thread: prime example). That's attempting to create some sort of exclusivity for a print who's very nature shouldn't be.
Love SC's art, I think it's original and the quality of her giclees really is superb, but I can't fathom how anybody doesn't see the price as distasteful.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by daveart on Mar 9, 2016 21:00:48 GMT 1, didnt read this whole mess. but Audrey Kawasaki has been doing timed releases for years and i dont recall there being a lot of dissatisfaction with that. . . buy what you like people.. dont have to drag down an artist that is working hard to further her art and her career. and you cannot really fully appreciate the cost of flying to shows and putting on shows and all the related expenses..etc..etc.. They need money to do all these things so we can show up all chill and have a drink and think it all looks so simple. its a lot of work for the artist and all involved.. and i never question their right to bring in funds. so, again, buy or dont buy... simples.
didnt read this whole mess. but Audrey Kawasaki has been doing timed releases for years and i dont recall there being a lot of dissatisfaction with that. . . buy what you like people.. dont have to drag down an artist that is working hard to further her art and her career. and you cannot really fully appreciate the cost of flying to shows and putting on shows and all the related expenses..etc..etc.. They need money to do all these things so we can show up all chill and have a drink and think it all looks so simple. its a lot of work for the artist and all involved.. and i never question their right to bring in funds. so, again, buy or dont buy... simples.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by maurice8601 on Mar 9, 2016 21:23:34 GMT 1, Does anyone know what the shipping cost to the UK is and any likely import taxes/costs? I've purchased a few prints for the US in the past, some I've been taxed on, some not. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to taxes being added.
Does anyone know what the shipping cost to the UK is and any likely import taxes/costs? I've purchased a few prints for the US in the past, some I've been taxed on, some not. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to taxes being added.
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Sandra Chevrier • La cage et la dignité, by lifeonwalls on Mar 9, 2016 21:25:47 GMT 1, That is one ugly young woman.
That is one ugly young woman.
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