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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 9, 2016 14:38:17 GMT 1, Again I state that I feel the government have done a good job tackling the economy. I can't tell you what has and what hasn't been cut or who is effected but I do have a fundamental belief that if you get ยฃ10 in you can't continue spending ยฃ12. There will be a colapse as has happened. Everyone is going to feel the cuts, yes some more than others but fundamentally every one is having to take it to try and get the basics correct. Is it the best way, I don't know, but it's easy to condem with the benefit of hindsight. When it comes to the mega rich such as bankers and footballers, they get paid what they are worth to the company. Do I think footballers get paid too much l? Absofriginloutly but the clubs who pay their wages wouldn't say so. That's because they bring in more value. As do bankers and every single person paid to do what they do. It would be much better if footballers were on 30k and the excess better used to fund the NHS but the reality is if one club doesn't pay them the next one will.... Unless we turn to communism of course. Great job, borrowed more money than any chancellor ever, sold more public assets than any chancellor ever, has a higher national debt than any chancellor ever.ย NHS f**ked/ sold off/intentionally underfunded, steel (was to be left for dead, but thats now too risky so its all hands on deck), Schools all being sold out of state control (sorry by sold i mean given away!), tax avoidance is rampant and it seems lauded as its technically legal, spiralling costs everywhere, unaffordable houses, record homelessness, huge amounts of public sector workers headed for mass strike action in a desperate attempt to save the services they know we need and blatant mass manipulation and even the hiding of statistics that would expose the shameful results of their economic practices. i could give you more examples if needed.ย Im hoping you will point out their successes, or at least an insight into how you think they have done a good job.ย But as you say, your not really paying attention, more lip service. While claiming I have been spoon fed.ย
I'm not getting into a politics debate with you of who is right and wrong. You have your views and I have mine. I could give a list of headline positives too but unless we both fully understood the situations in each case (and we certainly don't) then it just becomes the case as always on forums where the loudest voice is heard. I am certain if we had the time the majority of points we would agree on.
Back on topic, hope tax havens are sorted...
Again I state that I feel the government have done a good job tackling the economy. I can't tell you what has and what hasn't been cut or who is effected but I do have a fundamental belief that if you get ยฃ10 in you can't continue spending ยฃ12. There will be a colapse as has happened. Everyone is going to feel the cuts, yes some more than others but fundamentally every one is having to take it to try and get the basics correct. Is it the best way, I don't know, but it's easy to condem with the benefit of hindsight. When it comes to the mega rich such as bankers and footballers, they get paid what they are worth to the company. Do I think footballers get paid too much l? Absofriginloutly but the clubs who pay their wages wouldn't say so. That's because they bring in more value. As do bankers and every single person paid to do what they do. It would be much better if footballers were on 30k and the excess better used to fund the NHS but the reality is if one club doesn't pay them the next one will.... Unless we turn to communism of course. Great job, borrowed more money than any chancellor ever, sold more public assets than any chancellor ever, has a higher national debt than any chancellor ever.ย NHS f**ked/ sold off/intentionally underfunded, steel (was to be left for dead, but thats now too risky so its all hands on deck), Schools all being sold out of state control (sorry by sold i mean given away!), tax avoidance is rampant and it seems lauded as its technically legal, spiralling costs everywhere, unaffordable houses, record homelessness, huge amounts of public sector workers headed for mass strike action in a desperate attempt to save the services they know we need and blatant mass manipulation and even the hiding of statistics that would expose the shameful results of their economic practices. i could give you more examples if needed.ย Im hoping you will point out their successes, or at least an insight into how you think they have done a good job.ย But as you say, your not really paying attention, more lip service. While claiming I have been spoon fed.ย I'm not getting into a politics debate with you of who is right and wrong. You have your views and I have mine. I could give a list of headline positives too but unless we both fully understood the situations in each case (and we certainly don't) then it just becomes the case as always on forums where the loudest voice is heard. I am certain if we had the time the majority of points we would agree on. Back on topic, hope tax havens are sorted... |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 14:46:51 GMT 1, Great job, borrowed more money than any chancellor ever, sold more public assets than any chancellor ever, has a higher national debt than any chancellor ever. NHS f**ked/ sold off/intentionally underfunded, steel (was to be left for dead, but thats now too risky so its all hands on deck), Schools all being sold out of state control (sorry by sold i mean given away!), tax avoidance is rampant and it seems lauded as its technically legal, spiralling costs everywhere, unaffordable houses, record homelessness, huge amounts of public sector workers headed for mass strike action in a desperate attempt to save the services they know we need and blatant mass manipulation and even the hiding of statistics that would expose the shameful results of their economic practices. i could give you more examples if needed. Im hoping you will point out their successes, or at least an insight into how you think they have done a good job. But as you say, your not really paying attention, more lip service. While claiming I have been spoon fed. I'm not getting into a politics debate with you of who is right and wrong. You have your views and I have mine. I could give a list of headline positives too but unless we both fully understood the situations in each case (and we certainly don't) then it just becomes the case as always on forums where the loudest voice is heard. I am certain if we had the time the majority of points we would agree on. Back on topic, hope tax havens are sorted...
Great job, borrowed more money than any chancellor ever, sold more public assets than any chancellor ever, has a higher national debt than any chancellor ever. NHS f**ked/ sold off/intentionally underfunded, steel (was to be left for dead, but thats now too risky so its all hands on deck), Schools all being sold out of state control (sorry by sold i mean given away!), tax avoidance is rampant and it seems lauded as its technically legal, spiralling costs everywhere, unaffordable houses, record homelessness, huge amounts of public sector workers headed for mass strike action in a desperate attempt to save the services they know we need and blatant mass manipulation and even the hiding of statistics that would expose the shameful results of their economic practices. i could give you more examples if needed. Im hoping you will point out their successes, or at least an insight into how you think they have done a good job. But as you say, your not really paying attention, more lip service. While claiming I have been spoon fed. I'm not getting into a politics debate with you of who is right and wrong. You have your views and I have mine. I could give a list of headline positives too but unless we both fully understood the situations in each case (and we certainly don't) then it just becomes the case as always on forums where the loudest voice is heard. I am certain if we had the time the majority of points we would agree on. Back on topic, hope tax havens are sorted... ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by rufas on Apr 9, 2016 14:47:02 GMT 1, *double post
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by rufas on Apr 9, 2016 14:54:08 GMT 1, Sorry to go off topic in a bit of a tangent. The key thing with Cameron's Panama Papers revelations is not that it happened, it's that he has known about it for years and has only just been caught out. And his Jimmy Carr comments look pretty bad now. I think that there might have been a chance of a change of leader early if the tories were not in so much of a mess over the EU, and Osbourne's popularity had not taken a nose dive following the budget. I mean who would take over?
It's just like the government pretended to care about the refugee crisis after the photograph of a dead child was published. Or the way they pretend to care about steel now, when labour have been campaigning for months on the issue. Or climate change after the Paris agreement, then they rush through fracking and cuts to solar energy subsidies. We had a real opportunity to get people out of so called 'fuel poverty' by encouraging house builders to invest in solar on low cost and social housing. The cuts ended that chance. Just look at the amount of property owned in London and the South each by the rulers of the UAE and the likes, I doubt I will ever own my own house. The standard of rented accommodation is expensive and so poorly maintained its often a health hazard. Greed is good.
Anyway I'm going off topic again
.. Rant over
Sorry to go off topic in a bit of a tangent. The key thing with Cameron's Panama Papers revelations is not that it happened, it's that he has known about it for years and has only just been caught out. And his Jimmy Carr comments look pretty bad now. I think that there might have been a chance of a change of leader early if the tories were not in so much of a mess over the EU, and Osbourne's popularity had not taken a nose dive following the budget. I mean who would take over?
It's just like the government pretended to care about the refugee crisis after the photograph of a dead child was published. Or the way they pretend to care about steel now, when labour have been campaigning for months on the issue. Or climate change after the Paris agreement, then they rush through fracking and cuts to solar energy subsidies. We had a real opportunity to get people out of so called 'fuel poverty' by encouraging house builders to invest in solar on low cost and social housing. The cuts ended that chance. Just look at the amount of property owned in London and the South each by the rulers of the UAE and the likes, I doubt I will ever own my own house. The standard of rented accommodation is expensive and so poorly maintained its often a health hazard. Greed is good.
Anyway I'm going off topic again
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RoboJ
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 9, 2016 16:31:45 GMT 1, I'm not getting into a politics debate with you of who is right and wrong. You have your views and I have mine. I could give a list of headline positives too but unless we both fully understood the situations in each case (and we certainly don't) then it just becomes the case as always on forums where the loudest voice is heard. I am certain if we had the time the majority of points we would agree on. Back on topic, hope tax havens are sorted... ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case.
No your not, your not interested in what I'm saying or willing to hear a different point of view, merely waiting to tell me I'm wrong. I'm at the studio at the moment and dont have time or the interest to research each topic to put an alternative point of view in front of you so you can shoot it down. Thats not a debate. Your pinning a label on me for one opinion on one subject. Ive absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you sorry.
I'm not getting into a politics debate with you of who is right and wrong. You have your views and I have mine. I could give a list of headline positives too but unless we both fully understood the situations in each case (and we certainly don't) then it just becomes the case as always on forums where the loudest voice is heard. I am certain if we had the time the majority of points we would agree on. Back on topic, hope tax havens are sorted... ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case. No your not, your not interested in what I'm saying or willing to hear a different point of view, merely waiting to tell me I'm wrong. I'm at the studio at the moment and dont have time or the interest to research each topic to put an alternative point of view in front of you so you can shoot it down. Thats not a debate. Your pinning a label on me for one opinion on one subject. Ive absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you sorry. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 16:41:58 GMT 1, ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case. No your not, your not interested in what I'm saying or willing to hear a different point of view, merely waiting to tell me I'm wrong. I'm at the studio at the moment and dont have time or the interest to research each topic to put an alternative point of view in front of you so you can shoot it down. Thats not a debate. Your pinning a label on me for one opinion on one subject. Ive absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you sorry.
ok, please do provide the headline positives. Im very interested to hear them. Its not enough to say you won't debate it, we already are. You just don't seem to want to back your case. No your not, your not interested in what I'm saying or willing to hear a different point of view, merely waiting to tell me I'm wrong. I'm at the studio at the moment and dont have time or the interest to research each topic to put an alternative point of view in front of you so you can shoot it down. Thats not a debate. Your pinning a label on me for one opinion on one subject. Ive absolutely no interest in discussing it further with you sorry. I'm asking you to back your point. end of. so far you have failed to do so once. you've just stated that your correct and I'm a bully or something. Thats as lame as scameron's "people were being nasty about my dad" crap. He knew he was being economical with the truth at best. Desperate attempt at covering his arse by trying to play the victim. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 9, 2016 17:03:00 GMT 1, The only opinion I offered was that I felt the government had made a good job of sorting out the economy. I have not at any point said I am right or you are wrong and I've no interest in explaining why I feel my opinion is my opinion for you to nit pick and correct me. End of.
The only opinion I offered was that I felt the government had made a good job of sorting out the economy. I have not at any point said I am right or you are wrong and I've no interest in explaining why I feel my opinion is my opinion for you to nit pick and correct me. End of.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 18:05:58 GMT 1, The only opinion I offered was that I felt the government had made a good job of sorting out the economy. I have not at any point said I am right or you are wrong and I've no interest in explaining why I feel my opinion is my opinion for you to nit pick and correct me. End of.
The only opinion I offered was that I felt the government had made a good job of sorting out the economy. I have not at any point said I am right or you are wrong and I've no interest in explaining why I feel my opinion is my opinion for you to nit pick and correct me. End of. Well, if you arent going to provide any reasoning then i guess you really had nothing more than something to say. its not nit picking to challenge your opinion when i didn't see how you could have come to the conclusion that this government has done a good job of running the economy. I listed a few reasons why i feel they havnt. you have given none for your defence of their economic achievements. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 9, 2016 18:46:33 GMT 1, The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because -
- the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years
- uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008
- wages are rising dramatically
- yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year.
My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education...
The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because -
- the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years
- uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008
- wages are rising dramatically
- yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year.
My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education...
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 19:10:11 GMT 1, The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education...
But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics.
growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not.
i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites".
pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. .
The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away.
One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics.
The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion. But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not. i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites". pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. . The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away. One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 9, 2016 19:29:37 GMT 1, The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion.ย But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not.ย i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites".ย pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. .ย The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away.ย One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics.ย
They come from the office for national statistics and independent offices. Considering the living wage has just come in that's a relatively big jump for the minimum wage staff. The PM gets paid 150k a year. Considering the responsibility I think that's incredible value for money. I certainly wouldn't do his job for that. When we look at the facts that our economy has grown the fastest in Europe and yet we still can't afford the services we currently get after all these cuts you have to ask where on earth is this money going to come from to pay for higher wages, nhs services, education because we simply can't afford it. That's what my opinion lays on.
The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion.ย But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not.ย i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites".ย pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. .ย The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away.ย One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics.ย They come from the office for national statistics and independent offices. Considering the living wage has just come in that's a relatively big jump for the minimum wage staff. The PM gets paid 150k a year. Considering the responsibility I think that's incredible value for money. I certainly wouldn't do his job for that. When we look at the facts that our economy has grown the fastest in Europe and yet we still can't afford the services we currently get after all these cuts you have to ask where on earth is this money going to come from to pay for higher wages, nhs services, education because we simply can't afford it. That's what my opinion lays on. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 19:41:12 GMT 1, Yeah they've done a great job.... putting people on zero hours contracts to manipulate the jobless figures, the increasing amount of people relying on food banks and not to forget disabled and old people committing suicide because they've had their benefits cut unfairly. But then again the FTSE 100 is flying high so everything must be fine 
"How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity."
Yeah they've done a great job.... putting people on zero hours contracts to manipulate the jobless figures, the increasing amount of people relying on food banks and not to forget disabled and old people committing suicide because they've had their benefits cut unfairly. But then again the FTSE 100 is flying high so everything must be fine "How a society treats its most vulnerable is always the measure of its humanity." |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 19:49:50 GMT 1, ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion. But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not. i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites". pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. . The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away. One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics. They come from the office for national statistics and independent offices. Considering the living wage has just come in that's a relatively big jump for the minimum wage staff. The PM gets paid 150k a year. Considering the responsibility I think that's incredible value for money. I certainly wouldn't do his job for that. When we look at the facts that our economy has grown the fastest in Europe and yet we still can't afford the services we currently get after all these cuts you have to ask where on earth is this money going to come from to pay for higher wages, nhs services, education because we simply can't afford it. That's what my opinion lays on.
Minimum wage increase saves the government money, so yes its good for the people concerned, but its only happened so they don't have to pay so much in work benefits, a good thing in itself, but it wasn't done for the people. Again, i see it as look good politics.
the PM is PAID 150k, but his entire life is also paid for by us. His expenses claim may well be ten times that if not more. we just paid for his wife to get 50k in style advice apparently.
ok, fair play for doing that. can't say i agree, but that is the basis for your opinion. But point one doesn't consider the mass removal of people from the statistics. IE zero hours contracts and the ton of people the job centres have made self employed who make nothing but can still claim in work benefits. so is a bit of look good politics rather than feel good politics. growth in Europe, have to say, i have no idea if thats true or not. i think some people are seeing wages rise, but would suspect they aren't the majority and include the CEO's who give themselves massive rises and MP's who somehow still manage to be awarded 10% pay rises. While dishing out 1% to public sector staff as "austerity bites". pretty sure i read or saw that the borrowing was predicted to be less, but since the 20 billion or whatever it was he "found" in the budget the other year was in fact non existent, he will have borrowed more rather by the time he has covered the fact that he decided to spunk the lot at once. . The NHS is deliberately underfunded so they can justify selling it off, and education, they are currently trying to give away. One thing they have been quite successful with is baffling people with intricate ways to use stats to provide the picture they require. but then hey, lies, damned lies and statistics. They come from the office for national statistics and independent offices. Considering the living wage has just come in that's a relatively big jump for the minimum wage staff. The PM gets paid 150k a year. Considering the responsibility I think that's incredible value for money. I certainly wouldn't do his job for that. When we look at the facts that our economy has grown the fastest in Europe and yet we still can't afford the services we currently get after all these cuts you have to ask where on earth is this money going to come from to pay for higher wages, nhs services, education because we simply can't afford it. That's what my opinion lays on. that stat about unemployment is probably correct, but its been manipulated not to show a mass of people. those people are not necessarily in paid employment, they just no longer qualify as part of the unemployment statistics. if they are included the figure is considerably higher. Minimum wage increase saves the government money, so yes its good for the people concerned, but its only happened so they don't have to pay so much in work benefits, a good thing in itself, but it wasn't done for the people. Again, i see it as look good politics. the PM is PAID 150k, but his entire life is also paid for by us. His expenses claim may well be ten times that if not more. we just paid for his wife to get 50k in style advice apparently. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 9, 2016 19:55:38 GMT 1, 50k in style advise?! That's messed up
It's easy to find negatives in everything but at the end of the day we have to base our decisions on something. All governments will use states to help their cause, labour as much as anyone. The independent numbers add up and so it makes sense. Of course that has come at a cost, we will probably not have a pension by the time we retire. But all these things you mention have a cost and if we can't afford the cut back services we currently get then how would all this extra get paid for?
50k in style advise?! That's messed up
It's easy to find negatives in everything but at the end of the day we have to base our decisions on something. All governments will use states to help their cause, labour as much as anyone. The independent numbers add up and so it makes sense. Of course that has come at a cost, we will probably not have a pension by the time we retire. But all these things you mention have a cost and if we can't afford the cut back services we currently get then how would all this extra get paid for?
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by tartarus on Apr 9, 2016 20:06:08 GMT 1, 50k in style advise?! That's messed up It's easy to find negatives in everything but at the end of the day we have to base our decisions on something. All governments will use states to help their cause, labour as much as anyone. The independent numbers add up and so it makes sense. Of course that has come at a cost, we will probably not have a pension by the time we retire. But all these things you mention have a cost and if we can't afford the cut back services we currently get then how would all this extra get paid for?
Lil bit messed up huh, just part of milking the shit out of it.
stopping the money that haemorrhages out of our economy for one thing. The likes of google and their stunts, the tax haven stuff, Maybe not sell off the bank shares we had at a massive loss and to the old boy network in the city. Maybe not sell public assets cheap (post office) for short term gain, only to then realise the money is gone and you have nothing to show for it and have lost a future income. Lots of stuff he could have fixed, or not done. Maybe allow the cap on banker bonuses, maybe allow the investigation into the banks to proceed to prevent the same happening again instead of having both of them binned. If he was my accountant id jog him on pretty fast.
50k in style advise?! That's messed up It's easy to find negatives in everything but at the end of the day we have to base our decisions on something. All governments will use states to help their cause, labour as much as anyone. The independent numbers add up and so it makes sense. Of course that has come at a cost, we will probably not have a pension by the time we retire. But all these things you mention have a cost and if we can't afford the cut back services we currently get then how would all this extra get paid for? Lil bit messed up huh, just part of milking the shit out of it. stopping the money that haemorrhages out of our economy for one thing. The likes of google and their stunts, the tax haven stuff, Maybe not sell off the bank shares we had at a massive loss and to the old boy network in the city. Maybe not sell public assets cheap (post office) for short term gain, only to then realise the money is gone and you have nothing to show for it and have lost a future income. Lots of stuff he could have fixed, or not done. Maybe allow the cap on banker bonuses, maybe allow the investigation into the banks to proceed to prevent the same happening again instead of having both of them binned. If he was my accountant id jog him on pretty fast. |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 13:35:08 GMT 1, Unfortunately the UK has been turned into a country of middle men and brokers and shops and companies offering after sales service and not producing very much if the production company is not a foreign owned car or steel plant etc.
Since Thatcher and Blair, the UK has been sold out and middle men have got richer and richer and 1/8 th of the worlds money is in offshore accounts.
The steel plant in Wales is an example of a community that has identity and pride that will soon be dumped by a government who belives in every case that profit i more important than communities and identity.
There again the politicians of all parties are globalists and they have the money to live anywhere in the world they want (mainly London) and never have to worry about paying a utility bill and also have access to the best entertainment available as opposed to people who live on estates etc where money has been taken away from communities who are treated as unworthy by the hoi poloi untill it is time to vote where the politicians like the whores that they are go to communities making promises and pandering for votes.
The EU cronies don't hide their money in tax havens because they get their huge salaries tax free as does the IMF heads.
Cameron and his tax affairs are a big distraction as i'm sure that Cameron and other politicians know people and names who are very wealthy and avoid tax or involve din criminal activities as do the people running the BBC.
PC plod is too thick to go after the big boys hence hiding on roundabouts to give fines to motorists or the odd weed bust on a council estate instead of rounding up the very wealthy champagne charlies in the media politics and music etc industries.
Also local councils are rife with corruption and need investigating.
The Panama papers is said to be a joint US, Soros venture vetting which names are made public, so looks like a propaganda excercise and as for Panama, since Noriega, everyone belived that the US gov was running the panama government anyway.
Unfortunately the UK has been turned into a country of middle men and brokers and shops and companies offering after sales service and not producing very much if the production company is not a foreign owned car or steel plant etc.
Since Thatcher and Blair, the UK has been sold out and middle men have got richer and richer and 1/8 th of the worlds money is in offshore accounts.
The steel plant in Wales is an example of a community that has identity and pride that will soon be dumped by a government who belives in every case that profit i more important than communities and identity.
There again the politicians of all parties are globalists and they have the money to live anywhere in the world they want (mainly London) and never have to worry about paying a utility bill and also have access to the best entertainment available as opposed to people who live on estates etc where money has been taken away from communities who are treated as unworthy by the hoi poloi untill it is time to vote where the politicians like the whores that they are go to communities making promises and pandering for votes.
The EU cronies don't hide their money in tax havens because they get their huge salaries tax free as does the IMF heads.
Cameron and his tax affairs are a big distraction as i'm sure that Cameron and other politicians know people and names who are very wealthy and avoid tax or involve din criminal activities as do the people running the BBC.
PC plod is too thick to go after the big boys hence hiding on roundabouts to give fines to motorists or the odd weed bust on a council estate instead of rounding up the very wealthy champagne charlies in the media politics and music etc industries.
Also local councils are rife with corruption and need investigating.
The Panama papers is said to be a joint US, Soros venture vetting which names are made public, so looks like a propaganda excercise and as for Panama, since Noriega, everyone belived that the US gov was running the panama government anyway.
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by BONGO on Apr 13, 2016 12:38:16 GMT 1, The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education...
BONGO HOPE YOU BETTER ARTIST THAN ECONOMIST
BONGO SUGGEST THINKING IS GOOD START POINT WHEN USING NUMBERS
BONGO WISH LUCK BUT NOT HOPEFUL OF SUCCESS
The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... BONGO HOPE YOU BETTER ARTIST THAN ECONOMIST BONGO SUGGEST THINKING IS GOOD START POINT WHEN USING NUMBERS BONGO WISH LUCK BUT NOT HOPEFUL OF SUCCESS |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by RoboJ on Apr 13, 2016 13:27:25 GMT 1, The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... BONGO HOPE YOU BETTER ARTIST THAN ECONOMIST BONGO SUGGEST THINKINGย IS GOOD START POINT WHEN USING NUMBERS BONGO WISH LUCK BUT NOT HOPEFUL OF SUCCESS
Thanks BONGO. I guess we will find out!
The reason I feel the government has done a good job of the economy is because - - the jobless rate stands at 5.1% in December, the lowest in 10 years - uk has the greatest growth in Europe since 2008 - wages are rising dramatically - yes we are still borrowing but the rate is reducing, the budget deficit is reducing year on year. My opinion is that with a strong economy comes everything else. It shows that we currently still can't afford the services we have and so improving the economy is what I feel is the top priority to ensure we have a long term future for the NHS, education... BONGO HOPE YOU BETTER ARTIST THAN ECONOMIST BONGO SUGGEST THINKINGย IS GOOD START POINT WHEN USING NUMBERS BONGO WISH LUCK BUT NOT HOPEFUL OF SUCCESS Thanks BONGO. I guess we will find out! |
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Breaking news - Panama papers, by onetwothree on Apr 13, 2016 19:40:54 GMT 1, I'm hoping this story is the beginning of the end for Londons stupid housing crisis. Prices only so high becuase top end of the market are parking they're dodged taxes in property here
I'm hoping this story is the beginning of the end for Londons stupid housing crisis. Prices only so high becuase top end of the market are parking they're dodged taxes in property here
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