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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by GD303uk on Feb 28, 2008 18:20:10 GMT 1, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lover on Feb 28, 2008 18:22:22 GMT 1, As far as I can see you can argue both sides. Lets just hope peace prevails and no innocent people suffer any more than they have done so already
As far as I can see you can argue both sides. Lets just hope peace prevails and no innocent people suffer any more than they have done so already
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by GD303uk on Feb 28, 2008 18:23:33 GMT 1, true, agreed
friends
no helicopter guns ships needed,
true, agreed friends no helicopter guns ships needed,
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by goffy on Feb 28, 2008 18:34:03 GMT 1, I think we've already been nowhere with this.
I think we've already been nowhere with this.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by GD303uk on Feb 28, 2008 18:36:51 GMT 1, thats why it ended with the last post,
thats why it ended with the last post,
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by gozgoz on Feb 28, 2008 18:55:23 GMT 1, Theres an ENTIRE thread on the palestinian state of affairs manay moons ago aroundthe bethlehem santasghettothread last year if you two are interested.
Theres an ENTIRE thread on the palestinian state of affairs manay moons ago aroundthe bethlehem santasghettothread last year if you two are interested.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Gurn on Feb 28, 2008 20:15:15 GMT 1, >:(Anyway....nice stickers alsbabar,were there any others? Lady?Arabic writing?Show me
>:(Anyway....nice stickers alsbabar,were there any others? Lady?Arabic writing?Show me
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by edmonds on Mar 14, 2008 16:39:20 GMT 1, Hi
Can anyone tell me what price the Banksy towers from santas ghetto sold on ebay for.
Cheers
Hi
Can anyone tell me what price the Banksy towers from santas ghetto sold on ebay for.
Cheers
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by edmonds on Mar 14, 2008 16:59:16 GMT 1, does 20k for 2 sound a bit steep???
does 20k for 2 sound a bit steep???
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by jonpud on Mar 14, 2008 17:21:27 GMT 1, I am guessing if one sold for ยฃ8k then 2 would be about ยฃ16k so I think that makes it ยฃ5k too expensive (Allowing for bulk purchase discount!! ;D)
I am guessing if one sold for ยฃ8k then 2 would be about ยฃ16k so I think that makes it ยฃ5k too expensive (Allowing for bulk purchase discount!! ;D)
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by edmonds on Mar 14, 2008 17:23:30 GMT 1, Wrapping paper and barbed wire.
Wrapping paper and barbed wire.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by James Smith 77 on Mar 14, 2008 19:17:08 GMT 1, I love these Towers. I think the 8k was VERY undervalued. IMO - should have gone closer to 10-12k.
I love these Towers. I think the 8k was VERY undervalued. IMO - should have gone closer to 10-12k.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by James Smith 77 on Mar 14, 2008 19:18:04 GMT 1, Also remember how limited these are. I think only 15 in the ENTIRE WORLD. Very soon these will disappear to rarely surface for sale.
Also remember how limited these are. I think only 15 in the ENTIRE WORLD. Very soon these will disappear to rarely surface for sale.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BME on Mar 14, 2008 23:03:52 GMT 1, The towers are beautiful. In the current climate 10k seems like a good deal to me.
The towers are beautiful. In the current climate 10k seems like a good deal to me.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by edmonds on Mar 14, 2008 23:21:32 GMT 1, Cheers guys I though it sounded like a good deal but need some advice on the price.
I will post pics when I see them in the flesh
Cheers guys I though it sounded like a good deal but need some advice on the price.
I will post pics when I see them in the flesh
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by darjeeling on Mar 15, 2008 20:26:19 GMT 1, Which ones...? The insect one selling for 8k was massively under what it should have sold for - I have absolutely no idea why.
What??? Are all you guys investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? $16k is "way undervalued?" And exactly why do you think those little wood carvings are undervalued at $16,000 when that's what it's sold for twice at auction now (once in bethlehem once on ebay) And that price on ebay came even after the absurdity of the boonhams hype driven market frenzy.
Which ones...? The insect one selling for 8k was massively under what it should have sold for - I have absolutely no idea why. What??? Are all you guys investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? $16k is "way undervalued?" And exactly why do you think those little wood carvings are undervalued at $16,000 when that's what it's sold for twice at auction now (once in bethlehem once on ebay) And that price on ebay came even after the absurdity of the boonhams hype driven market frenzy.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ยฎat on Mar 15, 2008 21:29:55 GMT 1, You really are one miserable sod aren't you
What??? Are all you guys investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? $16k is "way undervalued?" And exactly why do you think those little wood carvings are undervalued at $16,000 when that's what it's sold for twice at auction now (once in bethlehem once on ebay) And that price on ebay came even after the absurdity of the boonhams hype driven market frenzy.
You really are one miserable sod aren't you What??? Are all you guys investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? $16k is "way undervalued?" And exactly why do you think those little wood carvings are undervalued at $16,000 when that's what it's sold for twice at auction now (once in bethlehem once on ebay) And that price on ebay came even after the absurdity of the boonhams hype driven market frenzy.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by James Smith 77 on Mar 15, 2008 21:31:22 GMT 1, Which ones...? The insect one selling for 8k was massively under what it should have sold for - I have absolutely no idea why. What??? Are all you guys investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? $16k is "way undervalued?" And exactly why do you think those little wood carvings are undervalued at $16,000 when that's what it's sold for twice at auction now (once in bethlehem once on ebay) And that price on ebay came even after the absurdity of the boonhams hype driven market frenzy.
Time will proof you wrong.
Which ones...? The insect one selling for 8k was massively under what it should have sold for - I have absolutely no idea why. What??? Are all you guys investment bankers? Hedge fund managers? $16k is "way undervalued?" And exactly why do you think those little wood carvings are undervalued at $16,000 when that's what it's sold for twice at auction now (once in bethlehem once on ebay) And that price on ebay came even after the absurdity of the boonhams hype driven market frenzy. Time will proof you wrong.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Hoops on Mar 15, 2008 21:44:40 GMT 1, Darjeeling I have come to the conclusion that you really dont have a clue when pricing up certain work by Banksy. FYI the towers where sold for all different prices via a secret ( or not so secret as you could raise your bids afterwards ) auction
From what I can gather the wooden ones went from anywhere between ยฃ4000 - ยฃ12000 each Thus the value is what the winning bidders have decided to pay for them at the time.
I have no idea what they would go for in a blue chip auction like southerbys / bonhams / christies etc , but as these are very rare compared to print runs ( at a guess there must be 15000 + prints in circulation ) I would have a very well educated guess that they would go for a lot more than $16K
When have you EVER seen anything purchased direct from Source go for less than what was paid for it. The deal with these is that to date the only other non prints , books , notes etc that I have seen Banksy do was the small edition of Bronze rats ( would have loved to have bought one of those )
Oh and fwiw if I would have listened to you advise regarding taking ยฃ15k -ยฃ25k for my Canvas then I think I would have been crying for a very long time
Darjeeling I have come to the conclusion that you really dont have a clue when pricing up certain work by Banksy. FYI the towers where sold for all different prices via a secret ( or not so secret as you could raise your bids afterwards ) auction
From what I can gather the wooden ones went from anywhere between ยฃ4000 - ยฃ12000 each Thus the value is what the winning bidders have decided to pay for them at the time.
I have no idea what they would go for in a blue chip auction like southerbys / bonhams / christies etc , but as these are very rare compared to print runs ( at a guess there must be 15000 + prints in circulation ) I would have a very well educated guess that they would go for a lot more than $16K
When have you EVER seen anything purchased direct from Source go for less than what was paid for it. The deal with these is that to date the only other non prints , books , notes etc that I have seen Banksy do was the small edition of Bronze rats ( would have loved to have bought one of those )
Oh and fwiw if I would have listened to you advise regarding taking ยฃ15k -ยฃ25k for my Canvas then I think I would have been crying for a very long time
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Mar 16, 2008 1:21:25 GMT 1, what hoops said
what hoops said
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by darjeeling on Mar 16, 2008 1:37:23 GMT 1, Wow that hurts
go on
possibly, but speculation, and no guarantee, and auction house fees and fees and fees
You haven't been around much have you.
And the point is???
Well to each his own, I don't know if I'd be crying for a very long time myself if someone paid me $50000 for editioned canvas that I paid a couple hundred for. ANd many of those canvases sold for much less just last year. But good for you.
Anyway, your post says nothing as evidenced above. Like you said these towers sold for about $16k in bethelehem and later sold for about $16k on ebay. What you say just plain doesn't make sense at all. These have been put up for bids twice to Banksy afficianados twice and this is what it came in at. If you think its undervalued then you should have ponied up yourself and bid it up to dizzying heights. And if you think it's undervalued because prints can sell in the same range then maybe that means prints are overrvalued eh? It can also mean that in art IMAGE is everything. The towers are small, unattractive and they're relatively insignificant because they are NOT iconic. Nobody would have a freaking clue that Banksy made them if it weren't for the banksy sig on the bottom. And that's why they didn't go for that much. Where as his prints are usually pretty identifiable and iconic therefore sought after.
Again the market has twice priced them at $16000 I don't see how your claim that they are way undervalued means anything. Maybe in a year they'll go for more. Maybe in a year they'll go for less. But then again maybe you have one and think you should be able to sell it for 100k of course. Why else would you buy it? Just get the fook off your high horse.
Wow that hurts go on possibly, but speculation, and no guarantee, and auction house fees and fees and fees You haven't been around much have you. And the point is??? Well to each his own, I don't know if I'd be crying for a very long time myself if someone paid me $50000 for editioned canvas that I paid a couple hundred for. ANd many of those canvases sold for much less just last year. But good for you. Anyway, your post says nothing as evidenced above. Like you said these towers sold for about $16k in bethelehem and later sold for about $16k on ebay. What you say just plain doesn't make sense at all. These have been put up for bids twice to Banksy afficianados twice and this is what it came in at. If you think its undervalued then you should have ponied up yourself and bid it up to dizzying heights. And if you think it's undervalued because prints can sell in the same range then maybe that means prints are overrvalued eh? It can also mean that in art IMAGE is everything. The towers are small, unattractive and they're relatively insignificant because they are NOT iconic. Nobody would have a freaking clue that Banksy made them if it weren't for the banksy sig on the bottom. And that's why they didn't go for that much. Where as his prints are usually pretty identifiable and iconic therefore sought after. Again the market has twice priced them at $16000 I don't see how your claim that they are way undervalued means anything. Maybe in a year they'll go for more. Maybe in a year they'll go for less. But then again maybe you have one and think you should be able to sell it for 100k of course. Why else would you buy it? Just get the fook off your high horse.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Mar 16, 2008 1:43:43 GMT 1, the one sold on ebay was a Banksy & Paul Insect.
I would disagree with you, they are ver0y iconic and very collectable. Only 15 Banksy Towers, look at the Bronze Rat, only 10 of those, which were commissioned pieces, now you cannot buy one for less the ยฃ100K.
Anyone who has the Banksy Tower is a very lucky person indeed, imvho
the one sold on ebay was a Banksy & Paul Insect.
I would disagree with you, they are ver0y iconic and very collectable. Only 15 Banksy Towers, look at the Bronze Rat, only 10 of those, which were commissioned pieces, now you cannot buy one for less the ยฃ100K.
Anyone who has the Banksy Tower is a very lucky person indeed, imvho
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by stuey09 on Mar 16, 2008 1:54:44 GMT 1, the one sold on ebay was a Banksy & Paul Insect. I would disagree with you, they are ver0y iconic and very collectable. Only 15 Banksy Towers, look at the Bronze Rat, only 10 of those, which were commissioned pieces, now you cannot buy one for less the ยฃ100K. Anyone who has the Banksy Tower is a very lucky person indeed, imvho
Why? Please explain to this simple minded soul the aesthetic quality of a Tower. I'm dying to know.
the one sold on ebay was a Banksy & Paul Insect. I would disagree with you, they are ver0y iconic and very collectable. Only 15 Banksy Towers, look at the Bronze Rat, only 10 of those, which were commissioned pieces, now you cannot buy one for less the ยฃ100K. Anyone who has the Banksy Tower is a very lucky person indeed, imvho Why? Please explain to this simple minded soul the aesthetic quality of a Tower. I'm dying to know.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by manchestermike on Mar 16, 2008 2:02:18 GMT 1, They do absolutely zero for me I have to say
They do absolutely zero for me I have to say
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by stuey09 on Mar 16, 2008 2:06:37 GMT 1, Ditto Mike, but I will gladly accept someones opinion to the contrary, but I've yet to read a convincing case.
Ditto Mike, but I will gladly accept someones opinion to the contrary, but I've yet to read a convincing case.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Guest on Mar 16, 2008 2:16:42 GMT 1, don't get these at all. The bronze rat on the other hand different class.
don't get these at all. The bronze rat on the other hand different class.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Mar 16, 2008 2:19:32 GMT 1, the 15 banksy towers represent the 15 watch towers that surrounds the city of bethlehem, given that you can only get these at Santas Ghetto in, yes Bethlehem, they are very poignant symbols of what the object of Santas Ghetto was about - of course, I am not expert, this is just my opinion and what they represent
the 15 banksy towers represent the 15 watch towers that surrounds the city of bethlehem, given that you can only get these at Santas Ghetto in, yes Bethlehem, they are very poignant symbols of what the object of Santas Ghetto was about - of course, I am not expert, this is just my opinion and what they represent
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by manchestermike on Mar 16, 2008 2:23:07 GMT 1, the 15 banksy towers represent the 15 watch towers that surrounds the city of bethlehem, given that you can only get these at Santas Ghetto in, yes Bethlehem, they are very poignant symbols of what the object of Santas Ghetto was about - of course, I am not expert, this is just my opinion and what they represent
I fully understand that, but as pieces of art they do nothing for me at all
the 15 banksy towers represent the 15 watch towers that surrounds the city of bethlehem, given that you can only get these at Santas Ghetto in, yes Bethlehem, they are very poignant symbols of what the object of Santas Ghetto was about - of course, I am not expert, this is just my opinion and what they represent I fully understand that, but as pieces of art they do nothing for me at all
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alsbabar on Mar 16, 2008 2:24:11 GMT 1, different strokes mike
different strokes mike
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Heavyconsumer on Mar 16, 2008 2:24:38 GMT 1, They do absolutely zero for me I have to say
I totally agree, not for me either, but value wise, a Gold Flags (edition of 100 I think), went for ยฃ12k on ebay recently. GWB seems to raise ยฃ16k when it sells on ebay. A direct comparison with an item so rare as these towers would suggest that anywhere below ยฃ12k is not overpriced at all. USD$16k seems like a steal really for someone that likes these imo.
They do absolutely zero for me I have to say I totally agree, not for me either, but value wise, a Gold Flags (edition of 100 I think), went for ยฃ12k on ebay recently. GWB seems to raise ยฃ16k when it sells on ebay. A direct comparison with an item so rare as these towers would suggest that anywhere below ยฃ12k is not overpriced at all. USD$16k seems like a steal really for someone that likes these imo.
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