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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mike hunt on Dec 4, 2007 18:11:07 GMT 1, yeah whatever one could have wondered about POW the last six months this event surely throws everything out the window. i'm glad i racked up some credit card debt for a few cool prints i love and supported a company who would do this. i've already learned alot about the israeli palestinian conflict thanks to the ghetto being over there and am even more interested in learning more now. this is something that is so much bigger than banksy, POW, or even ART. i think the conflict affects us all and blood is on all of our hands because our tax dollars fund wars. Well said. Britain has a lot to answer for in many ways, but so does everyone else. I really hope that people do learn more about the situation - specifically that its not black and white - its all grey. Having a view is easy when looking through eurocentric eyes via a tv, but understanding is different - the problems, the cultures, the history, the people and the reality. Just remember - it was only recently that we were in a situation not a million miles away - the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland.
yeah whatever one could have wondered about POW the last six months this event surely throws everything out the window. i'm glad i racked up some credit card debt for a few cool prints i love and supported a company who would do this. i've already learned alot about the israeli palestinian conflict thanks to the ghetto being over there and am even more interested in learning more now. this is something that is so much bigger than banksy, POW, or even ART. i think the conflict affects us all and blood is on all of our hands because our tax dollars fund wars. Well said. Britain has a lot to answer for in many ways, but so does everyone else. I really hope that people do learn more about the situation - specifically that its not black and white - its all grey. Having a view is easy when looking through eurocentric eyes via a tv, but understanding is different - the problems, the cultures, the history, the people and the reality. Just remember - it was only recently that we were in a situation not a million miles away - the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 4, 2007 18:15:50 GMT 1, yeah whatever one could have wondered about POW the last six months this event surely throws everything out the window. i'm glad i racked up some credit card debt for a few cool prints i love and supported a company who would do this. i've already learned alot about the israeli palestinian conflict thanks to the ghetto being over there and am even more interested in learning more now. this is something that is so much bigger than banksy, POW, or even ART. i think the conflict affects us all and blood is on all of our hands because our tax dollars fund wars. Well said. Britain has a lot to answer for in many ways, but so does everyone else. I really hope that people do learn more about the situation - specifically that its not black and white - its all grey. Having a view is easy when looking through eurocentric eyes via a tv, but understanding is different - the problems, the cultures, the history, the people and the reality. Just remember - it was only recently that we were in a situation not a million miles away - the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland. I've been boycotting Israeli goods for over 20 years now, it seems it hasn't affected their policy on Palestine at all, but if you feel strongly about this join the boycott more people doing it might make a difference.
yeah whatever one could have wondered about POW the last six months this event surely throws everything out the window. i'm glad i racked up some credit card debt for a few cool prints i love and supported a company who would do this. i've already learned alot about the israeli palestinian conflict thanks to the ghetto being over there and am even more interested in learning more now. this is something that is so much bigger than banksy, POW, or even ART. i think the conflict affects us all and blood is on all of our hands because our tax dollars fund wars. Well said. Britain has a lot to answer for in many ways, but so does everyone else. I really hope that people do learn more about the situation - specifically that its not black and white - its all grey. Having a view is easy when looking through eurocentric eyes via a tv, but understanding is different - the problems, the cultures, the history, the people and the reality. Just remember - it was only recently that we were in a situation not a million miles away - the 'troubles' in Northern Ireland. I've been boycotting Israeli goods for over 20 years now, it seems it hasn't affected their policy on Palestine at all, but if you feel strongly about this join the boycott more people doing it might make a difference. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mike hunt on Dec 4, 2007 18:21:48 GMT 1, If you start down that route then you'll have to end up growing your own food because it would mean boycotting a significant part of the world - half the middle east and africa.
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I've been boycotting Israeli goods for over 20 years now, it seems it hasn't affected their policy on Palestine at all, but if you feel strongly about this join the boycott more people doing it might make a difference.[/quote]
If you start down that route then you'll have to end up growing your own food because it would mean boycotting a significant part of the world - half the middle east and africa.
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I've been boycotting Israeli goods for over 20 years now, it seems it hasn't affected their policy on Palestine at all, but if you feel strongly about this join the boycott more people doing it might make a difference.[/quote]
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 4, 2007 18:26:44 GMT 1, If you start down that route then you'll have to end up growing your own food because it would mean boycotting a significant part of the world - half the middle east and africa.
;D ;D Nah, it mainly means not buying Israeli potatoes from M&S and fresh herbs from Sainsburys & occasionally missing out on the odd avocado, I can eat loads of other stuff 
If you start down that route then you'll have to end up growing your own food because it would mean boycotting a significant part of the world - half the middle east and africa. ;D ;D Nah, it mainly means not buying Israeli potatoes from M&S and fresh herbs from Sainsburys & occasionally missing out on the odd avocado, I can eat loads of other stuff |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by saltandiron on Dec 4, 2007 18:57:33 GMT 1,
It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why.
It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by carl on Dec 4, 2007 19:03:41 GMT 1, Well my new passport just arrived! and yet you are still here 
Yep but my new picture looks nice!
Well my new passport just arrived! and yet you are still here Yep but my new picture looks nice! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 4, 2007 19:20:36 GMT 1, It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why.
I've stopped buying UZI's too.
It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why. I've stopped buying UZI's too. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by saltandiron on Dec 4, 2007 19:23:34 GMT 1, It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why. I've stopped buying UZI's too.
I would do but I just can't find a decent alternative. Sometimes practicality outweighs any moral objections I may have.
It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why. I've stopped buying UZI's too. I would do but I just can't find a decent alternative. Sometimes practicality outweighs any moral objections I may have. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 4, 2007 19:24:45 GMT 1, I've stopped buying UZI's too. I would do but I just can't find a decent alternative. Sometimes practicality supercedes any moral objections.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I've stopped buying UZI's too. I would do but I just can't find a decent alternative. Sometimes practicality supercedes any moral objections. ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 4, 2007 19:34:22 GMT 1,
Ah.... Whose streets? OUR streets?
Tous ensemble tous ensemble oui oui!
Don't like a bit of that wiki link tho...mentions the dreaded NVDA phrase. All direct action is violent. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a Liberal Democrat.
Ah.... Whose streets? OUR streets? Tous ensemble tous ensemble oui oui! Don't like a bit of that wiki link tho...mentions the dreaded NVDA phrase. All direct action is violent. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is a Liberal Democrat. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 4, 2007 19:38:39 GMT 1, yeah whatever one could have wondered about POW the last six months this event surely throws everything out the window. i'm glad i racked up some credit card debt for a few cool prints i love and supported a company who would do this. i've already learned alot about the israeli palestinian conflict thanks to the ghetto being over there and am even more interested in learning more now. this is something that is so much bigger than banksy, POW, or even ART. i think the conflict affects us all and blood is on all of our hands because our tax dollars fund wars. I've not got a lot of time for reading and posting this week but I agree with all the above. One quick point, there seems to be some whinging that POW might be making money off their online sales, yeah so what, look at what they're doing with their profits highlighting political situations and focusing the gaze of the media where it should be. Makes me even more pleased to have bought their expensive posters.
Fancy locking on to the outside of an Israeli 'organic' food importers then?
yeah whatever one could have wondered about POW the last six months this event surely throws everything out the window. i'm glad i racked up some credit card debt for a few cool prints i love and supported a company who would do this. i've already learned alot about the israeli palestinian conflict thanks to the ghetto being over there and am even more interested in learning more now. this is something that is so much bigger than banksy, POW, or even ART. i think the conflict affects us all and blood is on all of our hands because our tax dollars fund wars. I've not got a lot of time for reading and posting this week but I agree with all the above. One quick point, there seems to be some whinging that POW might be making money off their online sales, yeah so what, look at what they're doing with their profits highlighting political situations and focusing the gaze of the media where it should be. Makes me even more pleased to have bought their expensive posters. Fancy locking on to the outside of an Israeli 'organic' food importers then? |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 4, 2007 19:40:46 GMT 1, It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why.
What's more fun is destroying the produce on the shelves and liberally sticking "Boycott Israel" stickers on them. Not that I do of course....
It's important to remember that with any boycott, be it Israeli products, Nestle or whoever, that you've got to tell them that you're boycotting them, and why. What's more fun is destroying the produce on the shelves and liberally sticking "Boycott Israel" stickers on them. Not that I do of course.... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by adamdavis on Dec 4, 2007 19:51:51 GMT 1, Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst..
Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst..
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 4, 2007 19:55:19 GMT 1, POW is doing a good thing for people that are struggling for survival and there is comments about them doing it only for their own gain... but hello, what the f**k! They could easily have done the same f**kin show in London, get well paid, and stuck the money in their own pockets without a single argument against it. There will always be arguments that you try to emphasize yourself and gain money on other peoples disasters when you try to help out. You must more or less kill yourself and donate your body to be trustworthy. And even after that some will have doubts ... Ok, my english is sadly not on the level to do me justice, but at least I have tried to bring my thoughts forward.
having read a bit more than i did yesterday on the SG website i actually have a few more facts than i did when i started mouthing off yesterday. (always helps if you know the full story :
my understanding was that only these two banksy's were going to charity, were some kind of token jesture, which is where i felt it was in particularly bad taste.
knowing the full story i'm man enough to admit i was wrong, and somewhat embarrased by how far off on one i went.
well done to all involved for being truly altruistic, something i accused the SG organisers of not being last night. the very things that so incensed me are all the more humbling knowing that the intentions are not motivated by a print sale for profit.
apologies if anyone was reading up last night, wondering what the fuck i was going on about, a long day and not reading things properly is not really a great excuse but there you go.
POW is doing a good thing for people that are struggling for survival and there is comments about them doing it only for their own gain... but hello, what the f**k! They could easily have done the same f**kin show in London, get well paid, and stuck the money in their own pockets without a single argument against it. There will always be arguments that you try to emphasize yourself and gain money on other peoples disasters when you try to help out. You must more or less kill yourself and donate your body to be trustworthy. And even after that some will have doubts ... Ok, my english is sadly not on the level to do me justice, but at least I have tried to bring my thoughts forward. having read a bit more than i did yesterday on the SG website i actually have a few more facts than i did when i started mouthing off yesterday. (always helps if you know the full story : my understanding was that only these two banksy's were going to charity, were some kind of token jesture, which is where i felt it was in particularly bad taste. knowing the full story i'm man enough to admit i was wrong, and somewhat embarrased by how far off on one i went. well done to all involved for being truly altruistic, something i accused the SG organisers of not being last night. the very things that so incensed me are all the more humbling knowing that the intentions are not motivated by a print sale for profit. apologies if anyone was reading up last night, wondering what the f uck i was going on about, a long day and not reading things properly is not really a great excuse but there you go. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 4, 2007 20:15:28 GMT 1, Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst..
I can see where you're coming from but I have to put three things to you:
Zaytoun, the Olive Coop and the Alternative Tourism Group. Then suckerpunch you with the Boycott Israeli Goods campaign.
There's no point in just not buying something. The company has to know you don't approve of their business and are therefore boycotting them. A piece on exploited labour in the Jordan Valley on ITN forced Sainsbury's and Tesco to properly label their produce as either from Israel or from the West Bank (in accordance with law...).
The idea behind a boycott is to use your spending power to empower those who would otherwise be shat on. Knowing where your money goes makes it a more valuable tool.
Supporting grass roots movements like Zaytoun mean the money goes straight to the producer. The idea is to cut the dependence on the Israeli economy...although the currency may be the same, who runs a company makes all the difference. I don't buy Timberland goods because they have a direct link to Israeli investment. Nor do I go anywhere near companies affiliated with or owned by Caterpillar -- makers of the lovely bulldozers that knock people's houses down. A boycott of Israeli goods goes beyond not buying the odd bunch of coriander.
I'm also boycotting companies affiliated to the Myanmar junta. It may seem that I can't buy much at all -- but as I look at what I'm wearing I have a shirt designed by a fashion graduate friend, a pair of trousers made from recycled fabric made by another friend, I'm sitting on a pouffe bought from a weaver in Pakistan, typing on a table made from a recycled door, own a sofa upholstered by a Royal Academy student, and drinking coffee bought on a Vietnamese hillside. It's all unique, all non-corporate and all pretty damn cool. Even my computer is made by a small north London firm.
You can't cut the evil empires out of all your lives but you can make damn well sure you know where your money is going. If you choose to pop into a McDonalds, make sure you've made that choice and that that option hasn't been sneakily thrust upon you.
Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst.. I can see where you're coming from but I have to put three things to you: Zaytoun, the Olive Coop and the Alternative Tourism Group. Then suckerpunch you with the Boycott Israeli Goods campaign. There's no point in just not buying something. The company has to know you don't approve of their business and are therefore boycotting them. A piece on exploited labour in the Jordan Valley on ITN forced Sainsbury's and Tesco to properly label their produce as either from Israel or from the West Bank (in accordance with law...). The idea behind a boycott is to use your spending power to empower those who would otherwise be shat on. Knowing where your money goes makes it a more valuable tool. Supporting grass roots movements like Zaytoun mean the money goes straight to the producer. The idea is to cut the dependence on the Israeli economy...although the currency may be the same, who runs a company makes all the difference. I don't buy Timberland goods because they have a direct link to Israeli investment. Nor do I go anywhere near companies affiliated with or owned by Caterpillar -- makers of the lovely bulldozers that knock people's houses down. A boycott of Israeli goods goes beyond not buying the odd bunch of coriander. I'm also boycotting companies affiliated to the Myanmar junta. It may seem that I can't buy much at all -- but as I look at what I'm wearing I have a shirt designed by a fashion graduate friend, a pair of trousers made from recycled fabric made by another friend, I'm sitting on a pouffe bought from a weaver in Pakistan, typing on a table made from a recycled door, own a sofa upholstered by a Royal Academy student, and drinking coffee bought on a Vietnamese hillside. It's all unique, all non-corporate and all pretty damn cool. Even my computer is made by a small north London firm. You can't cut the evil empires out of all your lives but you can make damn well sure you know where your money is going. If you choose to pop into a McDonalds, make sure you've made that choice and that that option hasn't been sneakily thrust upon you. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 4, 2007 20:17:53 GMT 1, Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst..
www.bigcampaign.org.uk/
Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst.. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by wezzley on Dec 4, 2007 20:19:09 GMT 1, think I might have cleared the schedule to be able to go in the next day or two  any word on whether it'd be worth holding out hope to get a flag?
think I might have cleared the schedule to be able to go in the next day or two any word on whether it'd be worth holding out hope to get a flag? |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by carl on Dec 4, 2007 20:20:35 GMT 1, Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst.. I can see where you're coming from but I have to put three things to you: Zaytoun, the Olive Coop and the Alternative Tourism Group. Then suckerpunch you with the Boycott Israeli Goods campaign. There's no point in just not buying something. The company has to know you don't approve of their business and are therefore boycotting them. A piece on exploited labour in the Jordan Valley on ITN forced Sainsbury's and Tesco to properly label their produce as either from Israel or from the West Bank (in accordance with law...). The idea behind a boycott is to use your spending power to empower those who would otherwise be shat on. Knowing where your money goes makes it a more valuable tool. Supporting grass roots movements like Zaytoun mean the money goes straight to the producer. The idea is to cut the dependence on the Israeli economy...although the currency may be the same, who runs a company makes all the difference. I don't buy Timberland goods because they have a direct link to Israeli investment. Nor do I go anywhere near companies affiliated with or owned by Caterpillar -- makers of the lovely bulldozers that knock people's houses down. A boycott of Israeli goods goes beyond not buying the odd bunch of coriander. I'm also boycotting companies affiliated to the Myanmar junta. It may seem that I can't buy much at all -- but as I look at what I'm wearing I have a shirt designed by a fashion graduate friend, a pair of trousers made from recycled fabric made by another friend, I'm sitting on a pouffe bought from a weaver in Pakistan, typing on a table made from a recycled door, own a sofa upholstered by a Royal Academy student, and drinking coffee bought on a Vietnamese hillside. It's all unique, all non-corporate and all pretty damn cool. Even my computer is made by a small north London firm. You can't cut the evil empires out of all your lives but you can make damn well sure you know where your money is going. If you choose to pop into a McDonalds, make sure you've made that choice and that that option hasn't been sneakily thrust upon you.
Zaytoun is the best oil on the market, everyone should buy it. Its great to know with products like this that they have direct impact on the growers in palestine
Boycott Israeli products simply hurts the palestinian economy as its they are all part of the same economy, which in turn makes the situation worst.. I can see where you're coming from but I have to put three things to you: Zaytoun, the Olive Coop and the Alternative Tourism Group. Then suckerpunch you with the Boycott Israeli Goods campaign. There's no point in just not buying something. The company has to know you don't approve of their business and are therefore boycotting them. A piece on exploited labour in the Jordan Valley on ITN forced Sainsbury's and Tesco to properly label their produce as either from Israel or from the West Bank (in accordance with law...). The idea behind a boycott is to use your spending power to empower those who would otherwise be shat on. Knowing where your money goes makes it a more valuable tool. Supporting grass roots movements like Zaytoun mean the money goes straight to the producer. The idea is to cut the dependence on the Israeli economy...although the currency may be the same, who runs a company makes all the difference. I don't buy Timberland goods because they have a direct link to Israeli investment. Nor do I go anywhere near companies affiliated with or owned by Caterpillar -- makers of the lovely bulldozers that knock people's houses down. A boycott of Israeli goods goes beyond not buying the odd bunch of coriander. I'm also boycotting companies affiliated to the Myanmar junta. It may seem that I can't buy much at all -- but as I look at what I'm wearing I have a shirt designed by a fashion graduate friend, a pair of trousers made from recycled fabric made by another friend, I'm sitting on a pouffe bought from a weaver in Pakistan, typing on a table made from a recycled door, own a sofa upholstered by a Royal Academy student, and drinking coffee bought on a Vietnamese hillside. It's all unique, all non-corporate and all pretty damn cool. Even my computer is made by a small north London firm. You can't cut the evil empires out of all your lives but you can make damn well sure you know where your money is going. If you choose to pop into a McDonalds, make sure you've made that choice and that that option hasn't been sneakily thrust upon you. Zaytoun is the best oil on the market, everyone should buy it. Its great to know with products like this that they have direct impact on the growers in palestine |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by insite on Dec 4, 2007 20:26:15 GMT 1, POW is doing a good thing for people that are struggling for survival and there is comments about them doing it only for their own gain... but hello, what the f**k! They could easily have done the same f**kin show in London, get well paid, and stuck the money in their own pockets without a single argument against it. There will always be arguments that you try to emphasize yourself and gain money on other peoples disasters when you try to help out. You must more or less kill yourself and donate your body to be trustworthy. And even after that some will have doubts ... Ok, my english is sadly not on the level to do me justice, but at least I have tried to bring my thoughts forward. having read a bit more than i did yesterday on the SG website i actually have a few more facts than i did when i started mouthing off yesterday. (always helps if you know the full story : my understanding was that only these two banksy's were going to charity, were some kind of token jesture, which is where i felt it was in particularly bad taste. knowing the full story i'm man enough to admit i was wrong, and somewhat embarrased by how far off on one i went. well done to all involved for being truly altruistic, something i accused the SG organisers of not being last night. the very things that so incensed me are all the more humbling knowing that the intentions are not motivated by a print sale for profit. apologies if anyone was reading up last night, wondering what the f uck i was going on about, a long day and not reading things properly is not really a great excuse but there you go.
Fair play Rupert.
POW is doing a good thing for people that are struggling for survival and there is comments about them doing it only for their own gain... but hello, what the f**k! They could easily have done the same f**kin show in London, get well paid, and stuck the money in their own pockets without a single argument against it. There will always be arguments that you try to emphasize yourself and gain money on other peoples disasters when you try to help out. You must more or less kill yourself and donate your body to be trustworthy. And even after that some will have doubts ... Ok, my english is sadly not on the level to do me justice, but at least I have tried to bring my thoughts forward. having read a bit more than i did yesterday on the SG website i actually have a few more facts than i did when i started mouthing off yesterday. (always helps if you know the full story : my understanding was that only these two banksy's were going to charity, were some kind of token jesture, which is where i felt it was in particularly bad taste. knowing the full story i'm man enough to admit i was wrong, and somewhat embarrased by how far off on one i went. well done to all involved for being truly altruistic, something i accused the SG organisers of not being last night. the very things that so incensed me are all the more humbling knowing that the intentions are not motivated by a print sale for profit. apologies if anyone was reading up last night, wondering what the f uck i was going on about, a long day and not reading things properly is not really a great excuse but there you go. Fair play Rupert. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 4, 2007 21:10:13 GMT 1,
Did you spot all the New York show buzz there too...?
I knew there was I reason I left America....
Did you spot all the New York show buzz there too...? I knew there was I reason I left America.... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 4, 2007 21:17:34 GMT 1, think I might have cleared the schedule to be able to go in the next day or two any word on whether it'd be worth holding out hope to get a flag?
No idea.
But you will get to buy a 100% genuine keffiyeh (arab scarf)...and there's a lot more pub kudos in saying you got it from the West Bank than TopShop.
And you could even land a classic "Visit Palestine" poster. smashing image.
www.palestineonlinestore.com/stationery/posterspsolidarity.html
think I might have cleared the schedule to be able to go in the next day or two any word on whether it'd be worth holding out hope to get a flag? No idea. But you will get to buy a 100% genuine keffiyeh (arab scarf)...and there's a lot more pub kudos in saying you got it from the West Bank than TopShop. And you could even land a classic "Visit Palestine" poster. smashing image. www.palestineonlinestore.com/stationery/posterspsolidarity.html |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by myloker on Dec 4, 2007 22:17:18 GMT 1, Could some of the members of this forum explain to me why they have started thrusting around "anti-Israeli" arguments and slogans. The situation is far more complicated than any of us in this forum can comprehend and too simplistic to argue through the use of simple "boycott" ideas. The problems date back thousands of years of both religious, territorial and political history. Before seeing the conflict in the Middle East as a Israel dominating a minority. Can I remind everyone that it is Israel who is the minority in a large-muslim dominated Middle East.
I do not want to start an argument here, but please bear in mind there is more to the situation than simply saying "boycott Israeli products". Besides as mentioned this would further harm the Palestinian economy.
Could some of the members of this forum explain to me why they have started thrusting around "anti-Israeli" arguments and slogans. The situation is far more complicated than any of us in this forum can comprehend and too simplistic to argue through the use of simple "boycott" ideas. The problems date back thousands of years of both religious, territorial and political history. Before seeing the conflict in the Middle East as a Israel dominating a minority. Can I remind everyone that it is Israel who is the minority in a large-muslim dominated Middle East.
I do not want to start an argument here, but please bear in mind there is more to the situation than simply saying "boycott Israeli products". Besides as mentioned this would further harm the Palestinian economy.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 4, 2007 22:25:09 GMT 1, hi myloker,
I know i haven't really been involved in "anti-Israeli sloganism"...however I would say that the people on here who made comments aren't anti-Israeli but anti-occupation and against the subjugation of a people without the slightest freedom!
These are people who live in a nightmare, who cannot walk for more than 5 minutes without being checked, searched, interrogated in their own country! It's a horrific situation and that is why people probably feel so passionately about freedom for Palestine, I know I do.
I am not anti-Israeli - because that can be construed in the wrong way, I am anti occupation however.
hi myloker,
I know i haven't really been involved in "anti-Israeli sloganism"...however I would say that the people on here who made comments aren't anti-Israeli but anti-occupation and against the subjugation of a people without the slightest freedom!
These are people who live in a nightmare, who cannot walk for more than 5 minutes without being checked, searched, interrogated in their own country! It's a horrific situation and that is why people probably feel so passionately about freedom for Palestine, I know I do.
I am not anti-Israeli - because that can be construed in the wrong way, I am anti occupation however.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 4, 2007 22:25:30 GMT 1, Could some of the members of this forum explain to me why they have started thrusting around "anti-Israeli" arguments and slogans. The situation is far more complicated than any of us in this forum can comprehend... I do not want to start an argument here,
Pro Palestinian isn't necessarily anti israel right ? People helping people in need.. As for it being too complicated for people who populate this forum to comprehend, I beg to differ.. Finsburyparkranger would have it sorted in a week or two
Could some of the members of this forum explain to me why they have started thrusting around "anti-Israeli" arguments and slogans. The situation is far more complicated than any of us in this forum can comprehend... I do not want to start an argument here, Pro Palestinian isn't necessarily anti israel right ? People helping people in need.. As for it being too complicated for people who populate this forum to comprehend, I beg to differ.. Finsburyparkranger would have it sorted in a week or two |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by wezzley on Dec 4, 2007 22:29:39 GMT 1, cheers monstris..got the arab scarf already....I'm thinking baklava & falafel mmmm
cheers monstris..got the arab scarf already....I'm thinking baklava & falafel mmmm
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mcnuts on Dec 4, 2007 22:30:41 GMT 1, well said valeha.
it has been made - and i think intentionally so - incredibly difficult to talk about the issue of Palestinian occupation. I for one am glad to see a dialogue and some education as was the point, imho of SG this year.
well said valeha.
it has been made - and i think intentionally so - incredibly difficult to talk about the issue of Palestinian occupation. I for one am glad to see a dialogue and some education as was the point, imho of SG this year.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 4, 2007 22:38:04 GMT 1, thanks mcnuts.
I think the argument that particularly upsets me is that of anti-occupation being equated with anti-sematism, it upsets me because as someone who understands the atrocity that was the holocaust I could never hate because of a persons religion, creed or race. I can however stand up for what I believe is immoral and unjust - ie the occupation of Palestine.
If only I could show people the images of mentally tormented children who have witnessed things no adult let alone child should have to see - people may begin to understand why some people feel the way they do.
One day - hopefully in my lifetime I would like to see Jewish, Muslim, and Christian brothers and sisiter living together in one state. Maybe I'm a dreamer but It's not impossible.
(oh and athiest, agnostic, buddhist, hindu, tribal ....brothers and sisters...all will be welcome!)
Oh I sure hope so!
Occupation is a crime, free free Palestine!!!!
thanks mcnuts.
I think the argument that particularly upsets me is that of anti-occupation being equated with anti-sematism, it upsets me because as someone who understands the atrocity that was the holocaust I could never hate because of a persons religion, creed or race. I can however stand up for what I believe is immoral and unjust - ie the occupation of Palestine.
If only I could show people the images of mentally tormented children who have witnessed things no adult let alone child should have to see - people may begin to understand why some people feel the way they do.
One day - hopefully in my lifetime I would like to see Jewish, Muslim, and Christian brothers and sisiter living together in one state. Maybe I'm a dreamer but It's not impossible.
(oh and athiest, agnostic, buddhist, hindu, tribal ....brothers and sisters...all will be welcome!)
Oh I sure hope so!
Occupation is a crime, free free Palestine!!!!
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any word on whether it'd be worth holding out hope to get a flag?
