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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shogun on Dec 5, 2007 13:24:50 GMT 1, Its funny how people are defending Israel's actions. Is anyone defending Nazi Germany? What do you expect the Palestinians to do roll over and die? One mans terrorist... As for Israel - some of their factions were even considered terrorists by Britain (wiki Stern gang. They were even awarded medals years later). Who are these people on the forum? Justification of the wall? Street art is becoming less 'street' by the minute! Nice one NU for keeping it real. I think a lot of members are getting their facts from the likes of Fox News. wow what a crass statement it seems that Israel is now being put on a par with nazi germany.
Well the wall is all about making the largest concentration camp in the world...
Its funny how people are defending Israel's actions. Is anyone defending Nazi Germany? What do you expect the Palestinians to do roll over and die? One mans terrorist... As for Israel - some of their factions were even considered terrorists by Britain (wiki Stern gang. They were even awarded medals years later). Who are these people on the forum? Justification of the wall? Street art is becoming less 'street' by the minute! Nice one NU for keeping it real. I think a lot of members are getting their facts from the likes of Fox News. wow what a crass statement it seems that Israel is now being put on a par with nazi germany. Well the wall is all about making the largest concentration camp in the world...
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mike hunt on Dec 5, 2007 13:25:02 GMT 1, The idea that the israel disputed territories are causing world destabilisation and anti-semitism is ridiculous - Israel is not to blame for most things that go on in the world and people will always dislike jews regardless. greeneny +1 here as well, for arguing the other side so well. I've been to these places and spent time with different people from there and just to give an idea of how complex the problem is - I asked an israeli if he agreed with the wall and his answer was 'I can get the bus without getting blown up'. Now if some people shout 'stop the occupation' and the others shout 'stop the terrorism' then we become a microcosm of the region. The answer is understanding. People with a loose idea of history seem very keen to blame. This doesn't help, and if you feel so strongly, then why not look at worse human right abuses closer to home - turkey for example? They have been at war with their kurdish population since the 90's, banning their language and their culture. People get arrested and disappear for expressing their views. Then there's their invasion and occupation of cyprus and cutting off trade with the greek side. I could go on. Why don't we all have an opinion about this as well? I have to disagree with you. The Israel occupation of Palestine has handicaped the Arabs both Muslims and Christians. You would think after the Holocaust things would be different. An example.. I have family there. All 5 children, mother, father and grand parents were made to leave there home thats they built and lived in for a year then left on the street. They got there home bulldozed by israel army with everything in it because they didn't have permission to build the house on the Land they owned for years. The reason they didn't have permission is because the israel government wouldn't grant them the permission for the build. Its a no win situation for the Palestine Arabs.
Myself and probably a lot of israelis think that this specific type of action is wrong and should stop. However, there are valid points on both sides and only dialogue and real committment to compromise can fix the situation. Shogun - I think your comment was way OTT and unhelpful. I'm not going to neg you or comment further on it.
The idea that the israel disputed territories are causing world destabilisation and anti-semitism is ridiculous - Israel is not to blame for most things that go on in the world and people will always dislike jews regardless. greeneny +1 here as well, for arguing the other side so well. I've been to these places and spent time with different people from there and just to give an idea of how complex the problem is - I asked an israeli if he agreed with the wall and his answer was 'I can get the bus without getting blown up'. Now if some people shout 'stop the occupation' and the others shout 'stop the terrorism' then we become a microcosm of the region. The answer is understanding. People with a loose idea of history seem very keen to blame. This doesn't help, and if you feel so strongly, then why not look at worse human right abuses closer to home - turkey for example? They have been at war with their kurdish population since the 90's, banning their language and their culture. People get arrested and disappear for expressing their views. Then there's their invasion and occupation of cyprus and cutting off trade with the greek side. I could go on. Why don't we all have an opinion about this as well? I have to disagree with you. The Israel occupation of Palestine has handicaped the Arabs both Muslims and Christians. You would think after the Holocaust things would be different. An example.. I have family there. All 5 children, mother, father and grand parents were made to leave there home thats they built and lived in for a year then left on the street. They got there home bulldozed by israel army with everything in it because they didn't have permission to build the house on the Land they owned for years. The reason they didn't have permission is because the israel government wouldn't grant them the permission for the build. Its a no win situation for the Palestine Arabs. Myself and probably a lot of israelis think that this specific type of action is wrong and should stop. However, there are valid points on both sides and only dialogue and real committment to compromise can fix the situation. Shogun - I think your comment was way OTT and unhelpful. I'm not going to neg you or comment further on it.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by loucastel on Dec 5, 2007 13:30:45 GMT 1, Yet another crass comment, keep em coming Shogun.
Yet another crass comment, keep em coming Shogun.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 5, 2007 13:32:24 GMT 1, wow what a crass statement it seems that Israel is now being put on a par with nazi germany. Well the wall is all about making the largest concentration camp in the world...
without wanting to condone anything that is going on in the middle east, good or bad, that comment about nazi germany is fucking disgusting. i hope to all eternity that neither yourself, your family or anyone you ever know or care about has to ever experience anything even close to what happened during the holocaust.
sick cunt.
wow what a crass statement it seems that Israel is now being put on a par with nazi germany. Well the wall is all about making the largest concentration camp in the world... without wanting to condone anything that is going on in the middle east, good or bad, that comment about nazi germany is f ucking disgusting. i hope to all eternity that neither yourself, your family or anyone you ever know or care about has to ever experience anything even close to what happened during the holocaust. sick c unt.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by loucastel on Dec 5, 2007 13:34:31 GMT 1, Well the wall is all about making the largest concentration camp in the world... without wanting to condone anything that is going on in the middle east, good or bad, that comment about nazi germany is f ucking disgusting. i hope to all eternity that neither yourself, your family or anyone you ever know or care about has to ever experience anything even close to what happened during the holocaust. sick c unt. I hope this isnt aimed at me.
Well the wall is all about making the largest concentration camp in the world... without wanting to condone anything that is going on in the middle east, good or bad, that comment about nazi germany is f ucking disgusting. i hope to all eternity that neither yourself, your family or anyone you ever know or care about has to ever experience anything even close to what happened during the holocaust. sick c unt. I hope this isnt aimed at me.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by goffy on Dec 5, 2007 13:39:08 GMT 1, Bunnyboiler it happened exactly as I said. I remember because I was there.
Bunnyboiler it happened exactly as I said. I remember because I was there.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 5, 2007 13:39:15 GMT 1, definitely not aimed at you loucastel, shogun can go fuck himself though.
definitely not aimed at you loucastel, shogun can go fuck himself though.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bob1 on Dec 5, 2007 13:40:02 GMT 1, History is like a lenticular it all depends on where you stand as to what you see, I encourage debate and think that it is more than healthy. (I would imagine there to be negs from both sides which i think is rather petty). But facts are facts and for every Israeli that have died there are 3-4 Palestinians, this is a one sided conflict summed up by the image of a small child armed only with a simple rock against the might of a tank.
I am not anti-Israel or anti Jewish I am against Zionism, the founders of Zionism were non religious Jews, who knew full well that by setting up shop on someone Else's land they would need the backing of the superpower of the day, thats why they originally were in talks with the Ottomans, then British and later the Americans.
Israel has become something of a imperial watchdog for US interests and the billions of dollars of funding that has been supplied to them by America has not come without strings, the tail certainly doesn't wag the dog.
Israel is not the chosen home for the Jewish people, of course it is projected as the Jewish homeland but there are more Jews in New York than there are in Israel, after the war most came to Britain and America. Ben Gurion was once quoted as saying that if all the Jewish children of Nazi Germany could be saved by coming to America and england, or half be saved and brought to Israel he would opt for the later.
the hypocrisy of the state of Israel runs deep, it is a country that has 200 nuclear bombs yet threatens to nuke Iran (which does not have one see the IEAA, and before you go well Ahmadinejad said... he said he wanted to wipe Zionism or the map not Israel, just like America wanted to wipe communism from the map not Russia, ideology not people). It kidnapped Mordecai Vanunu from Italy and locked him up for 18 years 12 in solitary confinement for telling the world that they had nuclear weapons when it is illegal for them to have them, he has been released but cannot leave the country and is now facing another 6 month prison term for just talking to foreigners.
A country that has flouted over 250 UN resolutions, a country that maliciously bombed Lebanon back to the stone age. A country that gave no concessions to Mr moderate Mahmoud Abbas and then wondered why they woke up to Hamas, (by the way there was no Hamas twenty years ago, instead of negotiating with the nationalist organizations, they went to war with them even encouraging groups like Hamas as a counter weight, see divide and rule). Now they wont negotiate with Hamas even though they have offered a 16 year truce, won a democratic election (brought forward on behalf of the Americans, but hey they chose the wrong party!) they have been starved of finance's and now find themselves at war by an American and Israeli funded Fatah (roll reversal!). Now we have Islamic Jihad and Al-Queda getting a foot hold in Palestine. what will the next twenty years have in store?
Most Palestinians resist non violently just by surviving, raising a family and getting on with life in the hope that one day they will be free of such conditions and have a place they can call home. When democratically you cannot change policy, when you march, protest, elect and beg for change but it is shunned, then people will turn to other means, when the ballot does not work the bullet always comes calling.
One side holds nearly all the cards, financially, internationally and military.
Until there is justice there will never be peace
All I want is Peace, All they want is peace.
Salaam, Shalom
Further Reading
Avi Shlaim - Iron wall Noam Chomsky - Fateful triangle Walter Laquere - The History of Zionism Cathrine Cook, Adam Nanieh and Adam Kay- Stolen Youth, the politics of Israel's detention of Palestinian children John Rose - The Myth's of Zionism Robert Fisk - Pity the Nation Norman G Finkelstein - Image and reality of the Israel-Palestine conflict
DVD's
John Pilger - Palestine is still the issue James Miller and Saira Shah - Death in Gaza
History is like a lenticular it all depends on where you stand as to what you see, I encourage debate and think that it is more than healthy. (I would imagine there to be negs from both sides which i think is rather petty). But facts are facts and for every Israeli that have died there are 3-4 Palestinians, this is a one sided conflict summed up by the image of a small child armed only with a simple rock against the might of a tank.
I am not anti-Israel or anti Jewish I am against Zionism, the founders of Zionism were non religious Jews, who knew full well that by setting up shop on someone Else's land they would need the backing of the superpower of the day, thats why they originally were in talks with the Ottomans, then British and later the Americans.
Israel has become something of a imperial watchdog for US interests and the billions of dollars of funding that has been supplied to them by America has not come without strings, the tail certainly doesn't wag the dog.
Israel is not the chosen home for the Jewish people, of course it is projected as the Jewish homeland but there are more Jews in New York than there are in Israel, after the war most came to Britain and America. Ben Gurion was once quoted as saying that if all the Jewish children of Nazi Germany could be saved by coming to America and england, or half be saved and brought to Israel he would opt for the later.
the hypocrisy of the state of Israel runs deep, it is a country that has 200 nuclear bombs yet threatens to nuke Iran (which does not have one see the IEAA, and before you go well Ahmadinejad said... he said he wanted to wipe Zionism or the map not Israel, just like America wanted to wipe communism from the map not Russia, ideology not people). It kidnapped Mordecai Vanunu from Italy and locked him up for 18 years 12 in solitary confinement for telling the world that they had nuclear weapons when it is illegal for them to have them, he has been released but cannot leave the country and is now facing another 6 month prison term for just talking to foreigners.
A country that has flouted over 250 UN resolutions, a country that maliciously bombed Lebanon back to the stone age. A country that gave no concessions to Mr moderate Mahmoud Abbas and then wondered why they woke up to Hamas, (by the way there was no Hamas twenty years ago, instead of negotiating with the nationalist organizations, they went to war with them even encouraging groups like Hamas as a counter weight, see divide and rule). Now they wont negotiate with Hamas even though they have offered a 16 year truce, won a democratic election (brought forward on behalf of the Americans, but hey they chose the wrong party!) they have been starved of finance's and now find themselves at war by an American and Israeli funded Fatah (roll reversal!). Now we have Islamic Jihad and Al-Queda getting a foot hold in Palestine. what will the next twenty years have in store?
Most Palestinians resist non violently just by surviving, raising a family and getting on with life in the hope that one day they will be free of such conditions and have a place they can call home. When democratically you cannot change policy, when you march, protest, elect and beg for change but it is shunned, then people will turn to other means, when the ballot does not work the bullet always comes calling.
One side holds nearly all the cards, financially, internationally and military.
Until there is justice there will never be peace
All I want is Peace, All they want is peace.
Salaam, Shalom
Further Reading
Avi Shlaim - Iron wall Noam Chomsky - Fateful triangle Walter Laquere - The History of Zionism Cathrine Cook, Adam Nanieh and Adam Kay- Stolen Youth, the politics of Israel's detention of Palestinian children John Rose - The Myth's of Zionism Robert Fisk - Pity the Nation Norman G Finkelstein - Image and reality of the Israel-Palestine conflict
DVD's
John Pilger - Palestine is still the issue James Miller and Saira Shah - Death in Gaza
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 5, 2007 13:40:27 GMT 1, Myself and probably a lot of israelis think that this specific type of action is wrong and should stop. However, there are valid points on both sides and only dialogue and real committment to compromise can fix the situation. Shogun - I think your comment was way OTT and unhelpful. I'm not going to neg you or comment further on it. Well I know that the Palestinian people lived happily with there neighborers the Jews in Palestine for years until 1948 when the war of Zionist Movement in World War I started. Thats when Arabs started getting killed and thrown out of there country both Muslims and Christians. Just look at the Sabra and Shatila massacre. Arabs have no problem with Jews. Its the Zionist Movement that is the problem.
Myself and probably a lot of israelis think that this specific type of action is wrong and should stop. However, there are valid points on both sides and only dialogue and real committment to compromise can fix the situation. Shogun - I think your comment was way OTT and unhelpful. I'm not going to neg you or comment further on it. Well I know that the Palestinian people lived happily with there neighborers the Jews in Palestine for years until 1948 when the war of Zionist Movement in World War I started. Thats when Arabs started getting killed and thrown out of there country both Muslims and Christians. Just look at the Sabra and Shatila massacre. Arabs have no problem with Jews. Its the Zionist Movement that is the problem.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 5, 2007 13:48:46 GMT 1, definitely not aimed at you loucastel, shogun can go f uck himself though.
Wish you would get upset for the Palestinian situation half as much as you are for that comment. Then maybe things would change.
definitely not aimed at you loucastel, shogun can go f uck himself though. Wish you would get upset for the Palestinian situation half as much as you are for that comment. Then maybe things would change.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by dave313perry on Dec 5, 2007 13:50:19 GMT 1, I must say that all this talk of right and wrong - judging of Nations as a whole - is packed with a wealth of Irony
Take a step back and look at our nation - coupled with the Americans. constantly overlook Barbaric rulers in Zimbabwe - overlook the invasion of Cyprus by the Turks - the list goes on.... why??? because it is of no financial and economical gain to ourselves to get involved!
The single biggest terrorist on the planet is currently fighting the war on terror! you may not class yourself as part of this, but this is our nation - our men and women out there fighting this 'war on terrorism'. Hence the reason im going to leave this country as soon as its conveniently possible!
I havnt read thorugh all the posts but keep seeing these huge posts popping up but i urge you - take a step back before you judge the East - its another world us westerners just dont understand IMHO
I must say that all this talk of right and wrong - judging of Nations as a whole - is packed with a wealth of Irony
Take a step back and look at our nation - coupled with the Americans. constantly overlook Barbaric rulers in Zimbabwe - overlook the invasion of Cyprus by the Turks - the list goes on.... why??? because it is of no financial and economical gain to ourselves to get involved!
The single biggest terrorist on the planet is currently fighting the war on terror! you may not class yourself as part of this, but this is our nation - our men and women out there fighting this 'war on terrorism'. Hence the reason im going to leave this country as soon as its conveniently possible!
I havnt read thorugh all the posts but keep seeing these huge posts popping up but i urge you - take a step back before you judge the East - its another world us westerners just dont understand IMHO
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 5, 2007 13:55:22 GMT 1, definitely not aimed at you loucastel, shogun can go f uck himself though. Wish you would get upset for the Palestinian situation half as much as you are for that comment. Then maybe things would change.
that's just a little un-called for. i'll readily admit i don't know enough about the situation and i'm reading up what i can so i know the full facts and can make an informed decision based on what i learn.
the holocaust is a lot more black and white, there aren't two sides to that story, there are 6 million reasons for me to kick off at that sense-less wanker.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
definitely not aimed at you loucastel, shogun can go f uck himself though. Wish you would get upset for the Palestinian situation half as much as you are for that comment. Then maybe things would change. that's just a little un-called for. i'll readily admit i don't know enough about the situation and i'm reading up what i can so i know the full facts and can make an informed decision based on what i learn. the holocaust is a lot more black and white, there aren't two sides to that story, there are 6 million reasons for me to kick off at that sense-less w anker. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 5, 2007 13:55:41 GMT 1, Bob1, very well put mate.
Bob1, very well put mate.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by dave313perry on Dec 5, 2007 13:57:22 GMT 1, Yeah and top post Bob1
Yeah and top post Bob1
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 5, 2007 13:59:15 GMT 1, interesting stuff bob1, cheers for the links too BTW.
interesting stuff bob1, cheers for the links too BTW.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mike hunt on Dec 5, 2007 14:00:50 GMT 1, I must say that all this talk of right and wrong - judging of Nations as a whole - is packed with a wealth of Irony Take a step back and look at our nation - coupled with the Americans. constantly overlook Barbaric rulers in Zimbabwe - overlook the invasion of Cyprus by the Turks - the list goes on.... why??? because it is of no financial and economical gain to ourselves to get involved! The single biggest terrorist on the planet is currently fighting the war on terror! you may not class yourself as part of this, but this is our nation - our men and women out there fighting this 'war on terrorism'. Hence the reason im going to leave this country as soon as its conveniently possible! so take a step back before you judge the East - its another world us westerners just dont understand IMHO
100% agree. We are no better and alot of places are worse and rarely mentioned or condemned. Politicians talk rubbish all over the world and news reports are sensationalist - its people that matter, and the majority just want to get on and get along.
I must say that all this talk of right and wrong - judging of Nations as a whole - is packed with a wealth of Irony Take a step back and look at our nation - coupled with the Americans. constantly overlook Barbaric rulers in Zimbabwe - overlook the invasion of Cyprus by the Turks - the list goes on.... why??? because it is of no financial and economical gain to ourselves to get involved! The single biggest terrorist on the planet is currently fighting the war on terror! you may not class yourself as part of this, but this is our nation - our men and women out there fighting this 'war on terrorism'. Hence the reason im going to leave this country as soon as its conveniently possible! so take a step back before you judge the East - its another world us westerners just dont understand IMHO 100% agree. We are no better and alot of places are worse and rarely mentioned or condemned. Politicians talk rubbish all over the world and news reports are sensationalist - its people that matter, and the majority just want to get on and get along.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by carl on Dec 5, 2007 14:02:48 GMT 1, BOB1. Did you just get back from bethlehem? where you been? C
BOB1. Did you just get back from bethlehem? where you been? C
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bob1 on Dec 5, 2007 14:04:27 GMT 1, Merci
This is an important issue, well done to all involved in this debate, don't take my word for it, or anyone else's. All I ask is to constantly question, read up and research. Scratch away at the surface to reveal a past that was always yet never.
For love
Bob
Merci
This is an important issue, well done to all involved in this debate, don't take my word for it, or anyone else's. All I ask is to constantly question, read up and research. Scratch away at the surface to reveal a past that was always yet never.
For love
Bob
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by goffy on Dec 5, 2007 14:05:51 GMT 1, So Greeneny put his side across supporting Israel, Bob1 and Nu put strong views from the Palestinian point of view, guess what, this is never going to get solved on here. Different people have different opinions and all we are doing is going around in circles. The comments are going to get nastier and there is a lot of hate in the air, after 27 pages I've had enough.
So Greeneny put his side across supporting Israel, Bob1 and Nu put strong views from the Palestinian point of view, guess what, this is never going to get solved on here. Different people have different opinions and all we are doing is going around in circles. The comments are going to get nastier and there is a lot of hate in the air, after 27 pages I've had enough.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by cru5tee on Dec 5, 2007 14:10:26 GMT 1, bob1. hooorah for an educated post. +1
bob1. hooorah for an educated post. +1
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by jerometurner on Dec 5, 2007 14:10:45 GMT 1,
.....and hot sister too!! ;D
.....and hot sister too!! ;D
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 5, 2007 14:10:47 GMT 1, its people that matter, and the majority just want to get on and get along.
i agree.
its people that matter, and the majority just want to get on and get along. i agree.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 5, 2007 14:13:46 GMT 1, Merci This is an important issue, well done to all involved in this debate, don't take my word for it, or anyone else's. All I ask is to constantly question, read up and research. Scratch away at the surface to reveal a past that was always yet never. For love Bob
i love that attitude bob, really do. i'm waiting to be able to + again but will be sure to send one your way, a couple of excellent posts.
Merci This is an important issue, well done to all involved in this debate, don't take my word for it, or anyone else's. All I ask is to constantly question, read up and research. Scratch away at the surface to reveal a past that was always yet never. For love Bob i love that attitude bob, really do. i'm waiting to be able to + again but will be sure to send one your way, a couple of excellent posts.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Rude Copper on Dec 5, 2007 14:16:59 GMT 1,
lol, how good is that snowman, bast?
lol, how good is that snowman, bast?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anthoz on Dec 5, 2007 14:17:58 GMT 1, theres obviously some site updating going on today can anyone smell an online release yet??
theres obviously some site updating going on today can anyone smell an online release yet??
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by sid on Dec 5, 2007 14:21:18 GMT 1, New wall pics
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 5, 2007 14:21:30 GMT 1, ooo eer, just come back online after I posted my boycotting Israeli products post, what a debate! which is good and I guess the whole point of the ghetto being in Palestine.
I must make it quite clear I'm not anti Jewish, it's the state of Israel's behaviour over many years which I abhor, it's been truly terrible and UN resolutions aren't acted upon, I can't understand why not. So it's not surprising that the Palestinians are left fighting the only way they're left with, stone throwing and primitive suicide bombs are hardly any match for fighter bombers, bulldozers, helicopter gunships and even if required nuclear weapons that their oppressors have.
I haven't just made my mind up about this overnight on flimsy information, it's something I've followed for over 20 years, if anything during that time the situation seems to be getting worse, the wall being yet the latest last straw.
ooo eer, just come back online after I posted my boycotting Israeli products post, what a debate! which is good and I guess the whole point of the ghetto being in Palestine.
I must make it quite clear I'm not anti Jewish, it's the state of Israel's behaviour over many years which I abhor, it's been truly terrible and UN resolutions aren't acted upon, I can't understand why not. So it's not surprising that the Palestinians are left fighting the only way they're left with, stone throwing and primitive suicide bombs are hardly any match for fighter bombers, bulldozers, helicopter gunships and even if required nuclear weapons that their oppressors have.
I haven't just made my mind up about this overnight on flimsy information, it's something I've followed for over 20 years, if anything during that time the situation seems to be getting worse, the wall being yet the latest last straw.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Nuno on Dec 5, 2007 14:22:17 GMT 1, i thought i could, but i think it could just be the smell of the pint of milk that i spilled all over the keyboard last night in the rush to get my obey
i thought i could, but i think it could just be the smell of the pint of milk that i spilled all over the keyboard last night in the rush to get my obey
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 5, 2007 14:24:48 GMT 1, nah no such smell for me either, though I've got a cold, so can't smell much really!
Me thinks next monday for the shop opening...no facts whatsoever but hey!
nah no such smell for me either, though I've got a cold, so can't smell much really!
Me thinks next monday for the shop opening...no facts whatsoever but hey!
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