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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by finsburyparkranger on Dec 6, 2007 17:28:07 GMT 1,
It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves.
It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bob1 on Dec 6, 2007 17:31:08 GMT 1, Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British.
The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide.
The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world.
Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible.
Salaam, shalom
Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary
Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British.
The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide.
The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world.
Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible.
Salaam, shalom
Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 6, 2007 17:32:21 GMT 1, again you talk shite! I have to give it to you, you certainly believe in what you're saying, as the language is so emotionally charged, but again you resort to pathetic name calling "leftist claptrap" and call the quotes from the founders of Zionism "meaningless".
Here's some name calling for you, IMO you are a hardcore right wing Zionist.
Have you ever even looked into the eyes of a tormented Palestinian child, or are they too beneath you to be seen anywhere near them? In those eyes are devastation, people who have seen there families killed by 18 year old gun toting IDF soldiers, who have clearly been dehumanised.When was the last time you walked around the West Bank or Gaza and saw the state it is in? Have you seen the apartheid wall with your own eyes? Have you seen the luxury settlements that sit atop of hills and take almost all the water and electricity supplies of Palestinian villages? No I doubt it.
Instead you sit in your ivory tower saying that the subjugation of an entire peoples is necessary for the protection of another. rubbish!
yet again you didn't answer anything, you merely call facts you find unpalatable "meaningless". Well I've had enough of your nonsense so I will not reply to you. I hope people can see the sheer rubbish you are spouting, and I'm sure most people can.
Well done to Banksy and POW for bringing this issue to the forefront and allowing there to be some decent debate about it,
For those who believe in peace, ignore Greeneny and see te truth for what it is.
Peace.
again you talk shite! I have to give it to you, you certainly believe in what you're saying, as the language is so emotionally charged, but again you resort to pathetic name calling "leftist claptrap" and call the quotes from the founders of Zionism "meaningless".
Here's some name calling for you, IMO you are a hardcore right wing Zionist.
Have you ever even looked into the eyes of a tormented Palestinian child, or are they too beneath you to be seen anywhere near them? In those eyes are devastation, people who have seen there families killed by 18 year old gun toting IDF soldiers, who have clearly been dehumanised.When was the last time you walked around the West Bank or Gaza and saw the state it is in? Have you seen the apartheid wall with your own eyes? Have you seen the luxury settlements that sit atop of hills and take almost all the water and electricity supplies of Palestinian villages? No I doubt it.
Instead you sit in your ivory tower saying that the subjugation of an entire peoples is necessary for the protection of another. rubbish!
yet again you didn't answer anything, you merely call facts you find unpalatable "meaningless". Well I've had enough of your nonsense so I will not reply to you. I hope people can see the sheer rubbish you are spouting, and I'm sure most people can.
Well done to Banksy and POW for bringing this issue to the forefront and allowing there to be some decent debate about it,
For those who believe in peace, ignore Greeneny and see te truth for what it is.
Peace.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 6, 2007 17:33:45 GMT 1, well said Bob! +1
well said Bob! +1
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 6, 2007 17:34:22 GMT 1, I must say thanks for your posts bob. Respect when I can.
I must say thanks for your posts bob. Respect when I can.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by greeneny on Dec 6, 2007 17:35:07 GMT 1, "For those who believe in peace, ignore Greeneny and see te truth for what it is.
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Well of course you'd say that.
Why not tell everyone to just close their eyes, put their hands over their ears and speak loudly to drown out anything that's contrary to what YOU want them to believe.
How sad that is. Knowledge is power my friend.
And the truth shall set you free - or do you prefer to be enslaved?
"For those who believe in peace, ignore Greeneny and see te truth for what it is.
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Well of course you'd say that.
Why not tell everyone to just close their eyes, put their hands over their ears and speak loudly to drown out anything that's contrary to what YOU want them to believe.
How sad that is. Knowledge is power my friend.
And the truth shall set you free - or do you prefer to be enslaved?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bob1 on Dec 6, 2007 17:36:15 GMT 1, Back to you valeha
Much love to Banksy & POW and all the artist's and people involved.
To the future with love
Back to you valeha
Much love to Banksy & POW and all the artist's and people involved.
To the future with love
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 6, 2007 17:37:11 GMT 1, seems you need to take your own advice greeneny! I have leant a lot from reading and debating, I have forged an opinion not based on my religion, my parents political leaning or being brainwashed and I am proud of that.
I meant ignore your pessimism, I should have phrased it better.
seems you need to take your own advice greeneny! I have leant a lot from reading and debating, I have forged an opinion not based on my religion, my parents political leaning or being brainwashed and I am proud of that.
I meant ignore your pessimism, I should have phrased it better.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 6, 2007 17:39:23 GMT 1, Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British. The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide. The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world. Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible. Salaam, shalom Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary
I want to have your babies. Well said Bob.
Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British. The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide. The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world. Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible. Salaam, shalom Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary I want to have your babies. Well said Bob. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by greeneny on Dec 6, 2007 17:43:24 GMT 1, Now just read what you've posted
"It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves."
Were you saying this when Jordan and Egypt occupied this same territory for decades?
Now just read what you've posted
"It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves."
Were you saying this when Jordan and Egypt occupied this same territory for decades?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 6, 2007 17:43:35 GMT 1, Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British. The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide. The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world. Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible. Salaam, shalom Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary I want to have your babies. Well said Bob.
me too!
Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British. The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide. The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world. Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible. Salaam, shalom Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary I want to have your babies. Well said Bob. me too! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 6, 2007 17:56:32 GMT 1, Right. Flight booked. Going on Monday morning. Visiting SG on Tuesday. Anybody else going to be there at that time....we should hook up over a spray can and flak jacket. PM me.
Right. Flight booked. Going on Monday morning. Visiting SG on Tuesday. Anybody else going to be there at that time....we should hook up over a spray can and flak jacket. PM me.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lesbianwednesdays on Dec 6, 2007 17:57:03 GMT 1, some very interesting reading today, i will draw my own opinions as and when i can follow up certain points. it is good, in fact really good to hear both sides of the coin, i hope the nastiness towards the end can be taken within the context of the respective arguments and not applied too personally.
having cooled somewhat, i would just like to wholeheartedly apologise to anyone who has read some or all of the stuff i wrote, directed at just one forum member yesterday, if anyone took offence by the language i'm sincerely sorry.
i believe you can make your point and maintain your dignity which is something that i fell short of doing, for that i will have look at ways i can overcome those shortcomings in the future.
my feeling towards the subject i discussed are highly charged and i allowed that to take to the fore, i stand by what i meant, perhaps not how i went about it. this is not the first time i've reacted angrily to what i see as incitement, nor i doubt will it be the last but it is something i would like to address better and articulate in a more appropriate way.
once again, sorry for any offence.
some very interesting reading today, i will draw my own opinions as and when i can follow up certain points. it is good, in fact really good to hear both sides of the coin, i hope the nastiness towards the end can be taken within the context of the respective arguments and not applied too personally.
having cooled somewhat, i would just like to wholeheartedly apologise to anyone who has read some or all of the stuff i wrote, directed at just one forum member yesterday, if anyone took offence by the language i'm sincerely sorry.
i believe you can make your point and maintain your dignity which is something that i fell short of doing, for that i will have look at ways i can overcome those shortcomings in the future.
my feeling towards the subject i discussed are highly charged and i allowed that to take to the fore, i stand by what i meant, perhaps not how i went about it. this is not the first time i've reacted angrily to what i see as incitement, nor i doubt will it be the last but it is something i would like to address better and articulate in a more appropriate way.
once again, sorry for any offence.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 6, 2007 18:01:33 GMT 1, Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British. The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide. The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world. Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible. Salaam, shalom Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary
I think you are Great bob. Very intelligent and educated ...
TOP MAN!
not like that Zionists idiot Greeneny.
Yes you are Green, Again I have not time or even energy to respond to your right wing "claptrap" as you like to put it, all I will say is the Palestinians were sold out by the neighbouring Arab states and have been ever since, but there all the same to you so I can understand why you see them as one and the same. The neighboring states were only in it for there own interest and are as much to blame as Israel or the British. The arab Israelis are not treated as equal citizens as referred to my earlier post. My argument regarding refugees was to state that there is a Palestinian entity that you seem keen to hide. The only reason I responded to this argument is to give another side to your "claptrap". Anyone interested in the finding out more will and I wish them good luck in the pursuit of the truth, it is extremely rewarding and will help us build a better world. Good luck with your quest Greeney, defending the indefensible. Salaam, shalom Another world is not only possible, another world is necessary I think you are Great bob. Very intelligent and educated ... TOP MAN! not like that Zionists idiot Greeneny. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by insite on Dec 6, 2007 18:03:48 GMT 1, Greeneny, got as far as "the Arabs", that's it your argument has failed due to racism pity as you seem to want to "educate" us.
Fair play Bob keeping this up.
Greeneny, got as far as "the Arabs", that's it your argument has failed due to racism pity as you seem to want to "educate" us.
Fair play Bob keeping this up.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by bob1 on Dec 6, 2007 18:07:11 GMT 1, Merci to all,
but I am not particularly intelligent or that great a writer just a man that uncovered a truth hidden from view and with a little research found out more.
We live in a beautiful world with beautiful people, this is our world, this is your world.
For Love
Bob
Merci to all,
but I am not particularly intelligent or that great a writer just a man that uncovered a truth hidden from view and with a little research found out more.
We live in a beautiful world with beautiful people, this is our world, this is your world.
For Love
Bob
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 6, 2007 18:12:46 GMT 1, Now just read what you've posted "It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves." Were you saying this when Jordan and Egypt occupied this same territory for decades?
Yes. The fight is for a displaced people to have their own state. It's the occupation, stupid. Doesn't matter which fucker is doing the occupying.
Now just read what you've posted "It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves." Were you saying this when Jordan and Egypt occupied this same territory for decades? Yes. The fight is for a displaced people to have their own state. It's the occupation, stupid. Doesn't matter which fucker is doing the occupying. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by manchestermike on Dec 6, 2007 18:17:20 GMT 1, greeneny -
I am not blinkered by either side, I have many friends who are Jewish and many who are Arabs, I have a friend whose family lives in Israel, another whose family lives in Jordan. I listen to both sides of the story as it is one that has a great interest to me, I read about this often... and from that I form my own opinion and as an impartial observer it is easy to see which side is in the wrong...
You make assumptions, 'leftist Brits' I am most definitely not left wing, I also know what the general Jewish disposition is, I went to a school with a very high proportion of Jewish students and still talk to them a lot, I went to their assemblies to find out more about their religion and I've always taken an interest in both religion, the politics of religion and the politics of the Middle East. One of my best friends is a leading expert in the field of Industrialization in developing countries of the Middle East and a mine of knowledge in this area... maybe listening to him would open your mind to more than just one side of the situation and you would see it for the disgrace that it is.
greeneny -
I am not blinkered by either side, I have many friends who are Jewish and many who are Arabs, I have a friend whose family lives in Israel, another whose family lives in Jordan. I listen to both sides of the story as it is one that has a great interest to me, I read about this often... and from that I form my own opinion and as an impartial observer it is easy to see which side is in the wrong...
You make assumptions, 'leftist Brits' I am most definitely not left wing, I also know what the general Jewish disposition is, I went to a school with a very high proportion of Jewish students and still talk to them a lot, I went to their assemblies to find out more about their religion and I've always taken an interest in both religion, the politics of religion and the politics of the Middle East. One of my best friends is a leading expert in the field of Industrialization in developing countries of the Middle East and a mine of knowledge in this area... maybe listening to him would open your mind to more than just one side of the situation and you would see it for the disgrace that it is.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 6, 2007 18:18:33 GMT 1, Merci to all, but I am not particularly intelligent or that great a writer just a man that uncovered a truth hidden from view and with a little research found out more. We live in a beautiful world with beautiful people, this is our world, this is your world. For Love Bob
And very modest!
Merci to all, but I am not particularly intelligent or that great a writer just a man that uncovered a truth hidden from view and with a little research found out more. We live in a beautiful world with beautiful people, this is our world, this is your world. For Love Bob And very modest! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by finsburyparkranger on Dec 6, 2007 18:49:40 GMT 1, Now just read what you've posted "It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves." Were you saying this when Jordan and Egypt occupied this same territory for decades?
Sorry man that argument just does not stand up. Ever heard the idea that two wrongs don't make a right? What other people did in a dark moment of their history years ago does in no way defend Israels or anyone elses actions right now. I don't believe for one moment there is even a slight chance that Israel could become occupied its self. It has ultimately the full support of the west and was even given the ultimate weapon should it need it. It has some of the richest private individual allies in the world many of who sit in the white house. Israel is not defending its self now. Its just humiliating its enemy, even when that enemy is often holding nothing more than stones and the desire for a place they can call home.
Now just read what you've posted "It doesn't make sense to me why a group of people that believe so strongly in the right to enjoy a historical homeland for themselves, fail so miserably to allow the Palestinians to pursue the same desire for themselves." Were you saying this when Jordan and Egypt occupied this same territory for decades? Sorry man that argument just does not stand up. Ever heard the idea that two wrongs don't make a right? What other people did in a dark moment of their history years ago does in no way defend Israels or anyone elses actions right now. I don't believe for one moment there is even a slight chance that Israel could become occupied its self. It has ultimately the full support of the west and was even given the ultimate weapon should it need it. It has some of the richest private individual allies in the world many of who sit in the white house. Israel is not defending its self now. Its just humiliating its enemy, even when that enemy is often holding nothing more than stones and the desire for a place they can call home. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 6, 2007 20:18:02 GMT 1, Right. Flight booked. Going on Monday morning. Visiting SG on Tuesday. Anybody else going to be there at that time....we should hook up over a spray can and flak jacket. PM me.
PM'd mate.
Right. Flight booked. Going on Monday morning. Visiting SG on Tuesday. Anybody else going to be there at that time....we should hook up over a spray can and flak jacket. PM me. PM'd mate. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Lord Lucas Roham on Dec 6, 2007 20:18:40 GMT 1, ***************************** ALERT *****************************
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by arcam on Dec 6, 2007 20:22:58 GMT 1, Right. Flight booked. Going on Monday morning. Visiting SG on Tuesday. Anybody else going to be there at that time....we should hook up over a spray can and flak jacket. PM me. PM'd mate.
Have a good trip lads.
Right. Flight booked. Going on Monday morning. Visiting SG on Tuesday. Anybody else going to be there at that time....we should hook up over a spray can and flak jacket. PM me. PM'd mate. Have a good trip lads. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by benya on Dec 6, 2007 20:38:14 GMT 1, is anyone actually considering the visit???
is anyone actually considering the visit???
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lee100 on Dec 6, 2007 20:43:33 GMT 1, Just seen this on someones facebook, Can anyone explain it ?
Just seen this on someones facebook, Can anyone explain it ? |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by benya on Dec 6, 2007 20:44:31 GMT 1, its last years ghetto mate
its last years ghetto mate
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by buster on Dec 6, 2007 20:45:19 GMT 1, Just seen this on someones facebook, Can anyone explain it ?
Just seen this on someones facebook, Can anyone explain it ? The front window of last years ghetto... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lee100 on Dec 6, 2007 20:50:18 GMT 1, Ahh thought it must have been, Cheers
Ahh thought it must have been, Cheers
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 6, 2007 21:04:27 GMT 1, is anyone actually considering the visit???
booked and ready to go
is anyone actually considering the visit??? booked and ready to go |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by beyond on Dec 6, 2007 21:53:21 GMT 1, Good luck Nu have a safe journey
Good luck Nu have a safe journey
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