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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by agu on Apr 21, 2016 21:54:00 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. Go on... you got me, I'm listening.
Like it or not, all Art is political. Go on... you got me, I'm listening.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Lroy on Apr 21, 2016 22:12:48 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political.
For some contemporary artists maybe. Or because, you think that waves or movements ( as Nabis , surrealism, Impressionism and expressionism, etc .. ) are like rebellions ( Picasso made an masterpiece with Guernica per example ) , and against classical painters and establishment ( or because you like street--artist - " street " in the world means outside and anti-establishment ) ... I agree. But what to think about artists painting geishas , animals. Childish and easy Disney declination, mockeries or critics : who f**king cares about Disney in 2016 ?! No youths at all ! Me ? Others ? Never . Who is Pixar too ... Who painted about wars ? Me ! Ahahah ! What to think about Napoleon admirers and academic or not painters as Delacroix per example ? And about Revolutions ? Russia? CoreA ? And propaganda paintings ? Anyway it's true that Norway Stencilers are more engaged against " diseases " of this world. To answer to another question : no I would like nor buy - no need to be a fascist or a nazi - any artwork from an artist who is a real c. Or t**t ! Never ! I but only If I like artist 's mind .. Anyway who cares ?
Like it or not, all Art is political. For some contemporary artists maybe. Or because, you think that waves or movements ( as Nabis , surrealism, Impressionism and expressionism, etc .. ) are like rebellions ( Picasso made an masterpiece with Guernica per example ) , and against classical painters and establishment ( or because you like street--artist - " street " in the world means outside and anti-establishment ) ... I agree. But what to think about artists painting geishas , animals. Childish and easy Disney declination, mockeries or critics : who f**king cares about Disney in 2016 ?! No youths at all ! Me ? Others ? Never . Who is Pixar too ... Who painted about wars ? Me ! Ahahah ! What to think about Napoleon admirers and academic or not painters as Delacroix per example ? And about Revolutions ? Russia? CoreA ? And propaganda paintings ? Anyway it's true that Norway Stencilers are more engaged against " diseases " of this world. To answer to another question : no I would like nor buy - no need to be a fascist or a nazi - any artwork from an artist who is a real c. Or t**t ! Never ! I but only If I like artist 's mind .. Anyway who cares ?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hairbland on Apr 22, 2016 7:52:44 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political.
Hudson River School?
Like it or not, all Art is political. Hudson River School?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 8:15:00 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. Hudson River School? Hmmm, a little digging but seems to celebrate God and Nationalism.
After the American Revolution, and especially after the War of 1812, nationalism provided another ground for appreciating nature. The basic argument ran something like this. America might not possess the cultural heritage of Europe--it lacked, for example, the Parthenon, Gothic Cathedrals, the Mona Lisa, and Shakespeare. But America did still have something that Europe no longer possessed--an abundance of majestic wilderness, where sublime encounters with the divine might still take place. Under the influence of Romanticism and nationalism, wilderness was something the young nation could point to with pride, something uniquely its own. This nationalistic pride in American wilderness first developed among a largely urban, educated cultural elite in the late eighteenth century, and during the nineteenth century it gradually diffused to the wider culture. Remnants of these ideas remain with us to this day.
It was within these cross-currents of Romanticism and nationalism that the Hudson River School burst onto the American cultural scene. In 1835 Thomas Cole, the founder of the Hudson River School whose photograph is featured on the left, wrote an "Essay on American Scenery" that nicely captures this sense that New World wilderness might serve as a source of nationalistic pride:
Hudson River School artists believed that nature in the form of the American landscape was an ineffable manifestation of God.
It was the first movement formed independently from Great Britain, and a new, large wealthy class made art promotion possible at this time.
After the Civil War, the aesthetic orientation of the United States shifted from Great Britain, the mother culture, to the Continent, especially France. (Brexit)
Like it or not, all Art is political. Hudson River School? Hmmm, a little digging but seems to celebrate God and Nationalism. After the American Revolution, and especially after the War of 1812, nationalism provided another ground for appreciating nature. The basic argument ran something like this. America might not possess the cultural heritage of Europe--it lacked, for example, the Parthenon, Gothic Cathedrals, the Mona Lisa, and Shakespeare. But America did still have something that Europe no longer possessed--an abundance of majestic wilderness, where sublime encounters with the divine might still take place. Under the influence of Romanticism and nationalism, wilderness was something the young nation could point to with pride, something uniquely its own. This nationalistic pride in American wilderness first developed among a largely urban, educated cultural elite in the late eighteenth century, and during the nineteenth century it gradually diffused to the wider culture. Remnants of these ideas remain with us to this day. It was within these cross-currents of Romanticism and nationalism that the Hudson River School burst onto the American cultural scene. In 1835 Thomas Cole, the founder of the Hudson River School whose photograph is featured on the left, wrote an "Essay on American Scenery" that nicely captures this sense that New World wilderness might serve as a source of nationalistic pride: Hudson River School artists believed that nature in the form of the American landscape was an ineffable manifestation of God.
It was the first movement formed independently from Great Britain, and a new, large wealthy class made art promotion possible at this time.
After the Civil War, the aesthetic orientation of the United States shifted from Great Britain, the mother culture, to the Continent, especially France. (Brexit)
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 8:19:52 GMT 1, There's an interesting alternative argument here..
Liberals Are Killing Art
How the Left became obsessed with ideology over beauty
Do more and more liberals find the emotions unleashed by the arts—I mean all of the arts, from poetry to painting to dance—something of an embarrassment? Are the liberal-spirited people who support a rational public policy—a social safety net, consistency and efficiency in foreign affairs, steps to reverse global warming—reluctant to embrace art’s celebration of unfettered metaphor and mystery and magic? If you had asked me ten years ago, I would have said the answer was no. Now I am inclined to say the opposite.
newrepublic.com/article/118958/liberals-are-killing-art-insisting-its-always-political
There's an interesting alternative argument here.. Liberals Are Killing Art How the Left became obsessed with ideology over beauty Do more and more liberals find the emotions unleashed by the arts—I mean all of the arts, from poetry to painting to dance—something of an embarrassment? Are the liberal-spirited people who support a rational public policy—a social safety net, consistency and efficiency in foreign affairs, steps to reverse global warming—reluctant to embrace art’s celebration of unfettered metaphor and mystery and magic? If you had asked me ten years ago, I would have said the answer was no. Now I am inclined to say the opposite. newrepublic.com/article/118958/liberals-are-killing-art-insisting-its-always-political
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by BONGO on Apr 22, 2016 10:14:36 GMT 1, EVERYTHING IS ART NOTHING IS ART
BONGO THINK ABOUT BREAK FAST.
BONGO CAN VIEW CUP OF BUDGET COFFEE AS TRUIMPH OF MERCHANTILE CAPITAL SYSTEM WITH MINIMAL LOSERS
BONGO CAN VIEW CUP OF BUDGET COFFEE AS EXAMPLE OF NEO COLONIAL EXOLOITATION LEGACY WITH MANY BAGGAGE
BONGO CAN THINK OF CUP OF BUDGET COFFEE AS REFRESHING WAKE UP DRINK TO ROUSE FROM SLUMBER AND ATTACK DAY OF JEREMY KYLE VIEWING
PERSPECTIVE BELIES FLAW IN OP APPROACH
EVERYTHING IS ART NOTHING IS ART
BONGO THINK ABOUT BREAK FAST.
BONGO CAN VIEW CUP OF BUDGET COFFEE AS TRUIMPH OF MERCHANTILE CAPITAL SYSTEM WITH MINIMAL LOSERS
BONGO CAN VIEW CUP OF BUDGET COFFEE AS EXAMPLE OF NEO COLONIAL EXOLOITATION LEGACY WITH MANY BAGGAGE
BONGO CAN THINK OF CUP OF BUDGET COFFEE AS REFRESHING WAKE UP DRINK TO ROUSE FROM SLUMBER AND ATTACK DAY OF JEREMY KYLE VIEWING
PERSPECTIVE BELIES FLAW IN OP APPROACH
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 22, 2016 10:24:28 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. Nu... with respect...
Like it or not, that's simply not true.
I could read politics in a white handkerchief if you'd like me to. Doesn't mean the handkerchief is political though. It means I am.
Like it or not, all Art is political. Nu... with respect... Like it or not, that's simply not true. I could read politics in a white handkerchief if you'd like me to. Doesn't mean the handkerchief is political though. It means I am.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 11:01:39 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. Nu... with respect... Like it or not, that's simply not true. I could read politics in a white handkerchief if you'd like me to. Doesn't mean the handkerchief is political though. It means I am. You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"...
This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles
digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/
Like it or not, all Art is political. Nu... with respect... Like it or not, that's simply not true. I could read politics in a white handkerchief if you'd like me to. Doesn't mean the handkerchief is political though. It means I am. You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 22, 2016 11:19:14 GMT 1, Nu... with respect... Like it or not, that's simply not true. I could read politics in a white handkerchief if you'd like me to. Doesn't mean the handkerchief is political though. It means I am. You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/ Lol indeed. That'll teach me!
Well, (without reading the link) that's my point. The folk that made the handkerchief didn't create it as a political statement. It's just something to blow a nose with. How somebody then uses it or interprets it bestows upon it a meaning.
Nu... with respect... Like it or not, that's simply not true. I could read politics in a white handkerchief if you'd like me to. Doesn't mean the handkerchief is political though. It means I am. You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/Lol indeed. That'll teach me! Well, (without reading the link) that's my point. The folk that made the handkerchief didn't create it as a political statement. It's just something to blow a nose with. How somebody then uses it or interprets it bestows upon it a meaning.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 13:54:05 GMT 1, You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/Lol indeed. That'll teach me! Well, (without reading the link) that's my point. The folk that made the handkerchief didn't create it as a political statement. It's just something to blow a nose with. How somebody then uses it or interprets it bestows upon it a meaning. The women and children that made the monogrammed hankerchiefs were on 2p an hour, denied toilet breaks and forced to work in sweltering conditions for 18 hours day. Suicide and depression in the factory was rife. The owner used a series of complex trading instruments to hide his income in a offshore trust and paid zero taxes towards the infrastructure required to treat the ailments of those affected by working in such conditions. When this was pointed out to Lord Snootenbury, he looked down at the journalist and stated. "It's just something to blow my nose with".
Enough about hankerchiefs though..
it's interesting that the title of the thread starts "In your mind..." a semiotic trick that implies your opinion is again simply subjective and individualistic. Art & Politics are intricately linked, Art is inseperable from it's time and place in history, it is part and parcel of society, and needs to be considered from, not just a art historical or aesthetic perspective, but also anthropological, sociological, geographical, cultural perspective etc etc. You don't have to do this of course, but it's there. This view implies we're all in it together, collectively. And that art isn't just about "aesthetic beauty" , isolated in some Platonian vacuum to be pondered over by the wealthy and educated. This ideology is propogated by and for the neoliberal 1%. Street Art's global rise in this period isn't accidental. It's political.
You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/Lol indeed. That'll teach me! Well, (without reading the link) that's my point. The folk that made the handkerchief didn't create it as a political statement. It's just something to blow a nose with. How somebody then uses it or interprets it bestows upon it a meaning. The women and children that made the monogrammed hankerchiefs were on 2p an hour, denied toilet breaks and forced to work in sweltering conditions for 18 hours day. Suicide and depression in the factory was rife. The owner used a series of complex trading instruments to hide his income in a offshore trust and paid zero taxes towards the infrastructure required to treat the ailments of those affected by working in such conditions. When this was pointed out to Lord Snootenbury, he looked down at the journalist and stated. "It's just something to blow my nose with". Enough about hankerchiefs though.. it's interesting that the title of the thread starts "In your mind..." a semiotic trick that implies your opinion is again simply subjective and individualistic. Art & Politics are intricately linked, Art is inseperable from it's time and place in history, it is part and parcel of society, and needs to be considered from, not just a art historical or aesthetic perspective, but also anthropological, sociological, geographical, cultural perspective etc etc. You don't have to do this of course, but it's there. This view implies we're all in it together, collectively. And that art isn't just about "aesthetic beauty" , isolated in some Platonian vacuum to be pondered over by the wealthy and educated. This ideology is propogated by and for the neoliberal 1%. Street Art's global rise in this period isn't accidental. It's political.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by nds on Apr 22, 2016 13:56:39 GMT 1, You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/Lol indeed. That'll teach me! Well, (without reading the link) that's my point. The folk that made the handkerchief didn't create it as a political statement. It's just something to blow a nose with. How somebody then uses it or interprets it bestows upon it a meaning. Signifier or signified, despite how 'you' an individual interprets something does not always add to its credibility .We live in a world of post modernity where an icon, a symbol (singinfer) precedes the signified, which is the basis, we shall say, for truth. Therefore in a world where we are bombarded by mass median, mass communication and rhetoric on an industrial scale, the blurred line between what is real, what is historical, what is truth, and what is not becomes very difficult to define. Maybe the folk that made the handkerchief did intended to make a political statement without even knowing they had done so maybe due to being the very product of the time. On the other hand that argument is irrelevant in contrast to the semiotics of 'political handkerchiefs', postmodernism exists now. However in relations to the topic of this thread its very relevant.
note- only my interpretation, for reference (Baudrillad 'simulacra and simulation')
You mean the one people tie to sticks and wave from trenches when surrendering or the monogrammed ones in toffs breast pocket ? or maybe the one's tied to working mens heads to protect them from the sun ? Signs and signifiers one and all. Hence the prefix "like it or not"... This lol. The Political Handkerchief, A Study of Politics and Semiotics in Textiles digitalcommons.unl.edu/tsaconf/722/Lol indeed. That'll teach me! Well, (without reading the link) that's my point. The folk that made the handkerchief didn't create it as a political statement. It's just something to blow a nose with. How somebody then uses it or interprets it bestows upon it a meaning. Signifier or signified, despite how 'you' an individual interprets something does not always add to its credibility .We live in a world of post modernity where an icon, a symbol (singinfer) precedes the signified, which is the basis, we shall say, for truth. Therefore in a world where we are bombarded by mass median, mass communication and rhetoric on an industrial scale, the blurred line between what is real, what is historical, what is truth, and what is not becomes very difficult to define. Maybe the folk that made the handkerchief did intended to make a political statement without even knowing they had done so maybe due to being the very product of the time. On the other hand that argument is irrelevant in contrast to the semiotics of 'political handkerchiefs', postmodernism exists now. However in relations to the topic of this thread its very relevant. note- only my interpretation, for reference (Baudrillad 'simulacra and simulation')
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 22, 2016 14:06:26 GMT 1, I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement.
I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by nds on Apr 22, 2016 14:09:17 GMT 1, I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement. I love the way this thread has gone, from individual collections to handkerchiefs .
I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement. I love the way this thread has gone, from individual collections to handkerchiefs .
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 22, 2016 14:27:42 GMT 1, I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement. Its a really interesting discussion
I think so far this thread has show how many of us are only really here due to a pure and simple love of Art, while some see Art and maybe most other things in life as political expression.
I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement. Its a really interesting discussion I think so far this thread has show how many of us are only really here due to a pure and simple love of Art, while some see Art and maybe most other things in life as political expression.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by NYart on Apr 22, 2016 14:33:48 GMT 1, I do have a wall reflective of my political beliefs or at least involving issues that are being debated/influenced by politics.. Two prints from Shepard fairey and a nice zir0 canvas.
Fruits of our labor with Monsanto and GMO's being unregulated despite unknown health risks is ubsurd to me and ties right into terrific savings, the fact that Monsanto has been able to buy the influence necessary to operate with the lack of regulation that they enjoy. Airshell was my first Zir0 piece and it makes me immediately think of the BP deep water horizon spill, and it's frustrating that the oil companies can destroy the environment due to carelessness and lack of concern of the risks involved in their actions. Especially when their making money hand over fist and their better off with the slap on the wrist since their fines are just a drop in the bucket to them. Rather than spending the extra money and taking extra precautions to do the right thing.
I do have a wall reflective of my political beliefs or at least involving issues that are being debated/influenced by politics.. Two prints from Shepard fairey and a nice zir0 canvas.
Fruits of our labor with Monsanto and GMO's being unregulated despite unknown health risks is ubsurd to me and ties right into terrific savings, the fact that Monsanto has been able to buy the influence necessary to operate with the lack of regulation that they enjoy. Airshell was my first Zir0 piece and it makes me immediately think of the BP deep water horizon spill, and it's frustrating that the oil companies can destroy the environment due to carelessness and lack of concern of the risks involved in their actions. Especially when their making money hand over fist and their better off with the slap on the wrist since their fines are just a drop in the bucket to them. Rather than spending the extra money and taking extra precautions to do the right thing.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 22, 2016 14:52:18 GMT 1, I do have a wall reflective of my political beliefs or at least involving issues that are being debated/influenced by politics.. Two prints from Shepard fairey and a nice zir0 canvas.
Fruits of our labor with Monsanto and GMO's being unregulated despite unknown health risks is ubsurd to me and ties right into terrific savings, the fact that Monsanto has been able to buy the influence necessary to operate with the lack of regulation that they enjoy. Airshell was my first Zir0 piece and it makes me immediately think of the BP deep water horizon spill, and it's frustrating that the oil companies can destroy the environment due to carelessness and lack of concern of the risks involved in their actions. Especially when their making money hand over fist and their better off with the slap on the wrist since their fines are just a drop in the bucket to them. Rather than spending the extra money and taking extra precautions to do the right thing.
Thanks for joining in
So do you see the Art you display on your walls as a sort of display of your political beliefs to people who visit your house? So I mean is it not so much about Art that you enjoy as an image, but more of the message it expresses?
I do have a wall reflective of my political beliefs or at least involving issues that are being debated/influenced by politics.. Two prints from Shepard fairey and a nice zir0 canvas.
Fruits of our labor with Monsanto and GMO's being unregulated despite unknown health risks is ubsurd to me and ties right into terrific savings, the fact that Monsanto has been able to buy the influence necessary to operate with the lack of regulation that they enjoy. Airshell was my first Zir0 piece and it makes me immediately think of the BP deep water horizon spill, and it's frustrating that the oil companies can destroy the environment due to carelessness and lack of concern of the risks involved in their actions. Especially when their making money hand over fist and their better off with the slap on the wrist since their fines are just a drop in the bucket to them. Rather than spending the extra money and taking extra precautions to do the right thing.
Thanks for joining in So do you see the Art you display on your walls as a sort of display of your political beliefs to people who visit your house? So I mean is it not so much about Art that you enjoy as an image, but more of the message it expresses?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by NYart on Apr 22, 2016 15:24:24 GMT 1, Id say the image over all is more important than the messege to me, because if it wasn't at all aesthetically pleasing I wouldn't want it on my walls. Also having a deep messege isn't a 100% necessary for me, I do own pieces that just 'look cool'. However the messege can and has made me pull the trigger on a piece that I probably wouldn't have otherwise. If terrific savings didn't align with my political views I wouldn't have bought it for example. So definitely a balance of the two. Those that are pleasing to the eye and reflect my beliefs are typically among my favorites.
Id say the image over all is more important than the messege to me, because if it wasn't at all aesthetically pleasing I wouldn't want it on my walls. Also having a deep messege isn't a 100% necessary for me, I do own pieces that just 'look cool'. However the messege can and has made me pull the trigger on a piece that I probably wouldn't have otherwise. If terrific savings didn't align with my political views I wouldn't have bought it for example. So definitely a balance of the two. Those that are pleasing to the eye and reflect my beliefs are typically among my favorites.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 16:09:40 GMT 1, I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement. Its a really interesting discussion I think so far this thread has show how many of us are only really here due to a pure and simple love of Art, while some see Art and maybe most other things in life as political expression. ha, nice try. I'd say it's shown quite the opposite. That most are here because Street Art is inherently and in many cases explicitly political.
I give up. Handkerchiefs are a political statement. Its a really interesting discussion I think so far this thread has show how many of us are only really here due to a pure and simple love of Art, while some see Art and maybe most other things in life as political expression. ha, nice try. I'd say it's shown quite the opposite. That most are here because Street Art is inherently and in many cases explicitly political.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 22, 2016 16:19:03 GMT 1, Its a really interesting discussion I think so far this thread has show how many of us are only really here due to a pure and simple love of Art, while some see Art and maybe most other things in life as political expression. ha, nice try. I'd say it's shown quite the opposite. That most are here because Street Art is inherently and in many cases explicitly political. Street Art or Art in general?
Its a really interesting discussion I think so far this thread has show how many of us are only really here due to a pure and simple love of Art, while some see Art and maybe most other things in life as political expression. ha, nice try. I'd say it's shown quite the opposite. That most are here because Street Art is inherently and in many cases explicitly political. Street Art or Art in general?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 16:28:39 GMT 1, Looking around at my walls none of it has a political message apart from the flower thrower which for me is a left wing statement.I do love political art and feel it is the perfect platform to get things out there, especially street art with no one dictating who or what goes up. Dismaland was fantastic and actually made me a little angry and politicized me again, something i had almost pushed to one side. - So - Is Art & Politics Connected? Not always, but art and music will always be an outlet for the people to express their political views.Great thread this one have really enjoyed reading it. Keep Left people
Looking around at my walls none of it has a political message apart from the flower thrower which for me is a left wing statement.I do love political art and feel it is the perfect platform to get things out there, especially street art with no one dictating who or what goes up. Dismaland was fantastic and actually made me a little angry and politicized me again, something i had almost pushed to one side. - So - Is Art & Politics Connected? Not always, but art and music will always be an outlet for the people to express their political views.Great thread this one have really enjoyed reading it. Keep Left people
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 18:18:02 GMT 1, ha, nice try. I'd say it's shown quite the opposite. That most are here because Street Art is inherently and in many cases explicitly political. Street Art or Art in general? Art in general, but this depends on how you're defining "political". We could equally say everything is "mathematics" "chemistry" "philosophy" etc. If you're asking is all art political when political means party affiliation etc then of no it isn't. If you consider politics to be about the relation of power between people, then for sure, art is innately political. Depends what you regard as political I guess.
But, the question "is Art and Politics connected" then the answer is, yes , they're intricately linked.
ha, nice try. I'd say it's shown quite the opposite. That most are here because Street Art is inherently and in many cases explicitly political. Street Art or Art in general? Art in general, but this depends on how you're defining "political". We could equally say everything is "mathematics" "chemistry" "philosophy" etc. If you're asking is all art political when political means party affiliation etc then of no it isn't. If you consider politics to be about the relation of power between people, then for sure, art is innately political. Depends what you regard as political I guess. But, the question "is Art and Politics connected" then the answer is, yes , they're intricately linked.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by oxfordwelshchap on Apr 22, 2016 21:01:13 GMT 1, What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? Or a fish with Googly eyes? Ha, yes I forgot about that particular piece of art. I notice art republic have just release some of those prints.
What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? Or a fish with Googly eyes? Ha, yes I forgot about that particular piece of art. I notice art republic have just release some of those prints.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by randomname on Apr 22, 2016 22:36:40 GMT 1, Speaking of politics. What's the general British reaction to Obama weighing in on the whole EU thing? Do people who are for leaving think he crossed a line. And people who are for staying think he has a right to voice his opinion? Did he change anyone's opinion one way or the other?
Speaking of politics. What's the general British reaction to Obama weighing in on the whole EU thing? Do people who are for leaving think he crossed a line. And people who are for staying think he has a right to voice his opinion? Did he change anyone's opinion one way or the other?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 0:52:58 GMT 1,
The snot rag or handkerchief is not political.
Thats like saying a piece of blank paper and a pen is political because someone might use it to write a manifesto.
The same goes for art.
All art is not political. Despite the fact that anyone with an agenda can attach a political message to an artwork and try to persuade others that the art is political. Thats just manipulation of fact and an agenda.
If an artist makes an image of an atomic bomb blast or skulls grenades AK47's etc etc that doesn't mean that the artist supports mass genocide or killing or the arms trade.
Some artists do use politics and political situations to promote themselves and create art which is propaganda.
Rothko being funded or supported by CIA money doesn't mean Rothkos art was political. It was just usefull in it was so bad that by pumping the value of Rothko's art, the Soviet Union was shown a message that the west is all about freedom of expression which is bought for high prices even though it's s**t.
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/you-buy-rothko-how-cia-covertly-nurtured-modern-art-cold-war-weapon
www.openculture.com/2013/04/how_the_cia_turned_american_abstract_expressionism_into_cold_war_propaganda.html
Ai Wei Wei is another who some believe to be a political pawn and others believe to be an opportunist promoting himself on the back of left wing politics.
www.spectator.co.uk/2015/08/ai-weiwei-the-perfect-asian-artist-for-lazy-western-curators/ "A more withering assessment came from Francesco Bonami, one of the art world’s most well-respected and plainly spoken curators. ‘I hate Ai Weiwei,’ Bonami said in an interview. ‘I think he should be put in jail for his art, and not for his dissidence …I think he exploits his dissidence in favour of promoting his art.’"
www.spiegel.de/international/world/i-can-t-say-anything-ai-weiwei-s-release-raises-more-questions-than-answers-a-770002.html
Merkel supports Wei Wei's clowning and his fight against opression even tho he travels freely around the world and makes a lot of money selling his art , expo at the Royal Academy etc and gets a lot of publicity for his so call campaigning. Plus of course Merkels pet project mass migration also found Ai Wei Wei promoting himself via the refugee and mass (economic asylum) migration situation.
Yet at the same time
Yet at the same time Merkel supports the prosecution German comedian Jan Böhmermann for a poem about Turkey's Erdogan.
"Merkel lets comedian face prosecution for Erdoğan poem
German chancellor under fire for agreeing to Turkish president’s request for prosecution of Jan Böhmermann."
www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/angela-merkel-agrees-prosecution-comedian-erdogan-poem
Merkel does not support the German peoples rights to freedom of expression but panders like some left wing fascist to a country's leader who is agaisnt freedom of journalism and who has been given billions from the EU.
The reason that most street art has a green or socialist content is that this type of stuff is easy to sell. It appeals to peoples moral values and can be hijacked by political groups with an agenda.
I'm sure that the street artists who painted in Dubai are not sell outs. They were just providing a service to a company that wanted some decoration on it's walls. They provided their skills.
People like to buy at Top Shop in London even though it's been accused of employing slave labour and the owners alledged tax avoidance. www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/style/fashion/article69599.ece
17 people in China assembling iphones comitted suicide due to working conditions yet the iphone is a favourite amongst many street artists and art collectors.
www.wired.com/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/
As for if art and politics is connected. It can be connected by anyone with an agenda or anyone who wants to connect it to politics.
Collecting art with a strong image or political propaganda art as from the former Soviet Union etc does not mean the collector has the same political outlook or sympathies. Propaganda art is art that is advertising a visual message. Whether it's for a commie regime or an advertising campaign for a capitalist corporate company.
I am against religion yet I do enjoy visiting old churches and cathedrals and admiring the quality of the workmanship and interpretation of religious propaganda paintings to illiterate masses in huge gold frames by great painters. ( if only they knew about dinosaurs back then )
In reality all art is not political and neither are snot rags.
The snot rag or handkerchief is not political. Thats like saying a piece of blank paper and a pen is political because someone might use it to write a manifesto. The same goes for art. All art is not political. Despite the fact that anyone with an agenda can attach a political message to an artwork and try to persuade others that the art is political. Thats just manipulation of fact and an agenda. If an artist makes an image of an atomic bomb blast or skulls grenades AK47's etc etc that doesn't mean that the artist supports mass genocide or killing or the arms trade. Some artists do use politics and political situations to promote themselves and create art which is propaganda. Rothko being funded or supported by CIA money doesn't mean Rothkos art was political. It was just usefull in it was so bad that by pumping the value of Rothko's art, the Soviet Union was shown a message that the west is all about freedom of expression which is bought for high prices even though it's s**t. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.htmlwww.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-15/you-buy-rothko-how-cia-covertly-nurtured-modern-art-cold-war-weaponwww.openculture.com/2013/04/how_the_cia_turned_american_abstract_expressionism_into_cold_war_propaganda.htmlAi Wei Wei is another who some believe to be a political pawn and others believe to be an opportunist promoting himself on the back of left wing politics. www.spectator.co.uk/2015/08/ai-weiwei-the-perfect-asian-artist-for-lazy-western-curators/"A more withering assessment came from Francesco Bonami, one of the art world’s most well-respected and plainly spoken curators. ‘I hate Ai Weiwei,’ Bonami said in an interview. ‘I think he should be put in jail for his art, and not for his dissidence …I think he exploits his dissidence in favour of promoting his art.’" www.spiegel.de/international/world/i-can-t-say-anything-ai-weiwei-s-release-raises-more-questions-than-answers-a-770002.html Merkel supports Wei Wei's clowning and his fight against opression even tho he travels freely around the world and makes a lot of money selling his art , expo at the Royal Academy etc and gets a lot of publicity for his so call campaigning. Plus of course Merkels pet project mass migration also found Ai Wei Wei promoting himself via the refugee and mass (economic asylum) migration situation. Yet at the same time Yet at the same time Merkel supports the prosecution German comedian Jan Böhmermann for a poem about Turkey's Erdogan. "Merkel lets comedian face prosecution for Erdoğan poem
German chancellor under fire for agreeing to Turkish president’s request for prosecution of Jan Böhmermann." www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/angela-merkel-agrees-prosecution-comedian-erdogan-poem Merkel does not support the German peoples rights to freedom of expression but panders like some left wing fascist to a country's leader who is agaisnt freedom of journalism and who has been given billions from the EU. The reason that most street art has a green or socialist content is that this type of stuff is easy to sell. It appeals to peoples moral values and can be hijacked by political groups with an agenda. I'm sure that the street artists who painted in Dubai are not sell outs. They were just providing a service to a company that wanted some decoration on it's walls. They provided their skills. People like to buy at Top Shop in London even though it's been accused of employing slave labour and the owners alledged tax avoidance. www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/style/fashion/article69599.ece 17 people in China assembling iphones comitted suicide due to working conditions yet the iphone is a favourite amongst many street artists and art collectors. www.wired.com/2011/02/ff_joelinchina/ As for if art and politics is connected. It can be connected by anyone with an agenda or anyone who wants to connect it to politics. Collecting art with a strong image or political propaganda art as from the former Soviet Union etc does not mean the collector has the same political outlook or sympathies. Propaganda art is art that is advertising a visual message. Whether it's for a commie regime or an advertising campaign for a capitalist corporate company. I am against religion yet I do enjoy visiting old churches and cathedrals and admiring the quality of the workmanship and interpretation of religious propaganda paintings to illiterate masses in huge gold frames by great painters. ( if only they knew about dinosaurs back then ) In reality all art is not political and neither are snot rags.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by nds on Apr 23, 2016 1:43:31 GMT 1, Is that not the whole point itself, that anybody can attach a meaning to a piece of art which is why it's so subjective, and why we all have different opinions to the reason why we collect art?
A handkerchief is political. If I stick it in the Tate Modern and state 'the handkerchief represents the fluidity of a time now lost, when Morris Dancing was free from the grasps of political modernisation, that would make it political. The strength of the Handkerchiefs political message is down to the eye of the beholder and thus the subjectivity of art.
Art is more than just a brush, a canvas, a stencil it has meaning, it has the power to represent the present in a way that touches us all. Art is priceless, "art has the power to transform to illuminate, to educate, inspire and motivate".
People die for art. We die and protect it because art is a part of who we are.
Politics is an influencing factor in everyone's lives despite how much we like it or not. We embody the current age of politics because we are a part of it. The rules, regulations, the freedoms.....everything. Politics is one of the contributing factors to the reasons why we think and feel the way we do, it's a strong factor in our culture, in a world where we are bombarded by signs, symbols and meaning every second of the day. Now you may feel a piece of art work is not political, however, that artist and that work may have been created in an age of strong political influence even if the art represents a flower on a nice summers day.
Art may not always look directly political even to the artist because "one can not see the wood from the trees".
(very interesting thread).
Is that not the whole point itself, that anybody can attach a meaning to a piece of art which is why it's so subjective, and why we all have different opinions to the reason why we collect art?
A handkerchief is political. If I stick it in the Tate Modern and state 'the handkerchief represents the fluidity of a time now lost, when Morris Dancing was free from the grasps of political modernisation, that would make it political. The strength of the Handkerchiefs political message is down to the eye of the beholder and thus the subjectivity of art.
Art is more than just a brush, a canvas, a stencil it has meaning, it has the power to represent the present in a way that touches us all. Art is priceless, "art has the power to transform to illuminate, to educate, inspire and motivate".
People die for art. We die and protect it because art is a part of who we are.
Politics is an influencing factor in everyone's lives despite how much we like it or not. We embody the current age of politics because we are a part of it. The rules, regulations, the freedoms.....everything. Politics is one of the contributing factors to the reasons why we think and feel the way we do, it's a strong factor in our culture, in a world where we are bombarded by signs, symbols and meaning every second of the day. Now you may feel a piece of art work is not political, however, that artist and that work may have been created in an age of strong political influence even if the art represents a flower on a nice summers day.
Art may not always look directly political even to the artist because "one can not see the wood from the trees".
(very interesting thread).
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by badbay on Apr 23, 2016 2:05:30 GMT 1, What a ridiculous question. Perhaps rephrase as is art and this site and autocrastic,dictatorship narcissism connected A) yes or B) yes
What a ridiculous question. Perhaps rephrase as is art and this site and autocrastic,dictatorship narcissism connected A) yes or B) yes
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 24, 2016 16:43:08 GMT 1, Well I think this thread has certainly shown how differently people can view Art I think it gives a clear idea of why it's important to understand or at least accept people might have very very different opinions on things than you. Even when you don't agree, we can all walk away at the end of the day learning a little ;
Well I think this thread has certainly shown how differently people can view Art I think it gives a clear idea of why it's important to understand or at least accept people might have very very different opinions on things than you. Even when you don't agree, we can all walk away at the end of the day learning a little ;
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by agu on Apr 29, 2016 22:54:45 GMT 1, Really loving this thread and some of the posts would have qualified for dissertation..IMHO.
Resurfacing the original question. I would love to hear from people who's political leanings influence the art they buy? A really mild example. I bought a mau mau piece, "Get rich or try sharing" because I loved the message. But over time I have come to think it is a really average piece of art. In fact if you want it....
Point being that in this case the message was bigger than the art.
Any other examples out there?
Really loving this thread and some of the posts would have qualified for dissertation..IMHO.
Resurfacing the original question. I would love to hear from people who's political leanings influence the art they buy? A really mild example. I bought a mau mau piece, "Get rich or try sharing" because I loved the message. But over time I have come to think it is a really average piece of art. In fact if you want it....
Point being that in this case the message was bigger than the art.
Any other examples out there?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on May 26, 2016 19:10:38 GMT 1, Anyone else thinking how Artists now don't seem to be doing many street pieces related to the political stories of the moment? Banksy was a regular doing pieces about the hot topics.
Could Artists be afraid to tag themselves onto a particular views when the country is divided 50/50 on so many subjects?
Anyone else thinking how Artists now don't seem to be doing many street pieces related to the political stories of the moment? Banksy was a regular doing pieces about the hot topics.
Could Artists be afraid to tag themselves onto a particular views when the country is divided 50/50 on so many subjects?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on May 26, 2016 19:22:03 GMT 1, Art and politics is not related but art can have a political message.
I like the early Soviet art but fucking hate communism.
Art and politics is not related but art can have a political message.
I like the early Soviet art but fucking hate communism.
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