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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2016 12:35:50 GMT 1, Following this question on another thread, I thought this would make an interesting thread on its own 
I understand many people in this scene have very very strong political views, and think rightly or wrongly that the Artists have the same allegiances, and produce art with that kind of messages and motivations.
But for myself I only vote for what I feel is right, rather than letting all the political party baggage and history cloud things. When it comes to Art, certainly politics doesn't come into the equation, many pieces in my collection would probably be viewed by you as being against what you feel are my political views, but in my mind it's Art that I love, rather than being some kind of protest.
hope that makes scene great question, thanks for asking.
Following this question on another thread, I thought this would make an interesting thread on its own I understand many people in this scene have very very strong political views, and think rightly or wrongly that the Artists have the same allegiances, and produce art with that kind of messages and motivations. But for myself I only vote for what I feel is right, rather than letting all the political party baggage and history cloud things. When it comes to Art, certainly politics doesn't come into the equation, many pieces in my collection would probably be viewed by you as being against what you feel are my political views, but in my mind it's Art that I love, rather than being some kind of protest. hope that makes scene great question, thanks for asking. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Happy Shopper on Apr 21, 2016 13:42:38 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art?
That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art.
For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art?
That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art.
For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by nds on Apr 21, 2016 14:03:27 GMT 1, I suppose it depends how you analyse the topic. personally my art collection is maybe 90% none political. However I have always been draw to historic propaganda posters (never really asked myself why).
On the other hand, if art is a reflection of the present social conditions,then yes, I would say in an indirect way my art collection is related to the political, social, psychological, architectural spheres of the present age. Art can be categorised into styles that represent a time.
Therefore art choice may be dependent upon influencing factors, if I grew up in a country in which i felt my freedoms were being heavily suppressed this may have a more direct influence on my choice of art and for that to be visually interpreted through the pieces I collect.
I suppose it depends how you analyse the topic. personally my art collection is maybe 90% none political. However I have always been draw to historic propaganda posters (never really asked myself why).
On the other hand, if art is a reflection of the present social conditions,then yes, I would say in an indirect way my art collection is related to the political, social, psychological, architectural spheres of the present age. Art can be categorised into styles that represent a time.
Therefore art choice may be dependent upon influencing factors, if I grew up in a country in which i felt my freedoms were being heavily suppressed this may have a more direct influence on my choice of art and for that to be visually interpreted through the pieces I collect.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Coach on Apr 21, 2016 14:04:27 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
Perfect sense. And I agree completely.
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? Perfect sense. And I agree completely. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hairbland on Apr 21, 2016 14:32:29 GMT 1, I suppose it depends how you analyse the topic. personally my art collection is maybe 90% none political. However I have always been draw to historic propaganda posters (never really asked myself why). On the other hand, if art is a reflection of the present social conditions,then yes, I would say in an indirect way my art collection is related to the political, social, psychological, architectural spheres of the present age. Art can be categorised into styles that represent a time. Therefore art choice may be dependent upon influencing factors, if I grew up in a country in which i felt my freedoms were being heavily suppressed this may have a more direct influence on my choice of art and for that to be visually interpreted through the pieces I collect.
Political propaganda posters have sprung out of many acclaimed art movements and have been featured at acclaimed shows at some of the world's top museums. There would be many reasons to be drawn to them, including ground-breaking art and design. Modernism as practiced by Leger Chagall and others, Bauhaus, Cubism, German Expressionism...a long and great history of art and politics (both supporting and protesting) exists.
I suppose it depends how you analyse the topic. personally my art collection is maybe 90% none political. However I have always been draw to historic propaganda posters (never really asked myself why). On the other hand, if art is a reflection of the present social conditions,then yes, I would say in an indirect way my art collection is related to the political, social, psychological, architectural spheres of the present age. Art can be categorised into styles that represent a time. Therefore art choice may be dependent upon influencing factors, if I grew up in a country in which i felt my freedoms were being heavily suppressed this may have a more direct influence on my choice of art and for that to be visually interpreted through the pieces I collect. Political propaganda posters have sprung out of many acclaimed art movements and have been featured at acclaimed shows at some of the world's top museums. There would be many reasons to be drawn to them, including ground-breaking art and design. Modernism as practiced by Leger Chagall and others, Bauhaus, Cubism, German Expressionism...a long and great history of art and politics (both supporting and protesting) exists. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2016 14:38:22 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
Yep, thats true.
I have sold Art in the past after getting to know the Artists attitude a bit more it sort of ruins as you said "The good feeling" I once had about the piece.
I think the angle I was getting at was more about are you buying the art due to the image having some kind of Political message behind it that you agree with? or is it about as a pure and simple piece of art.
Sorry its not easy to explain
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? Yep, thats true. I have sold Art in the past after getting to know the Artists attitude a bit more it sort of ruins as you said "The good feeling" I once had about the piece. I think the angle I was getting at was more about are you buying the art due to the image having some kind of Political message behind it that you agree with? or is it about as a pure and simple piece of art. Sorry its not easy to explain |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by andyroo0312 on Apr 21, 2016 14:39:10 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? The only problem there is to know a persons beliefs or true personality is to truly know the person and that takes time and real friendship, how many collectors get a chance to be intimate with there favorited artists to get a true picture of that person before they buy their art? If everyone found out Banksy has 22 love children and beats them all would everyone stop buying his art?? It didn't stop any one buying Picasso,s work. Time for a top up.. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Happy Shopper on Apr 21, 2016 14:55:46 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? Yep, thats true. I have sold Art in the past after getting to know the Artists attitude a bit more it sort of ruins as you said "The good feeling" I once had about the piece. I think the angle I was getting at was more about are you buying the art due to the image having some kind of Political message behind it that you agree with? or is it about as a pure and simple piece of art. Sorry its not easy to explain
I know what you mean. Art that itself is more directly political.
I guess Peter Kennard may come into that category. I have his piece "The Mall" on the wall.
Not really a Tory or Labour message though, more just anti war... I think most of Banksy's work is like that too.
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? Yep, thats true. I have sold Art in the past after getting to know the Artists attitude a bit more it sort of ruins as you said "The good feeling" I once had about the piece. I think the angle I was getting at was more about are you buying the art due to the image having some kind of Political message behind it that you agree with? or is it about as a pure and simple piece of art. Sorry its not easy to explain I know what you mean. Art that itself is more directly political. I guess Peter Kennard may come into that category. I have his piece "The Mall" on the wall. Not really a Tory or Labour message though, more just anti war... I think most of Banksy's work is like that too. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Coach on Apr 21, 2016 15:03:42 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? The only problem there is to know a persons beliefs or true personality is to truly know the person and that takes time and real friendship, how many collectors get a chance to be intimate with there favorited artists to get a true picture of that person before they buy their art? ย If everyone found out Banksy has 22 love children and beats them all would everyone stop buying his art?? It didn't stop any one buying Picasso,s work. ย Time for a top up..
I guess it only becomes relevant if you find out about the artists views (eg that chap who does the porcelain guns) or they are obvious from the art (eg I would never hang a painting depicting Bulldogs with George crosses).
And if I found out an artist beats his kids, yes I wouldn't want their work in my house no matter who they are.
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? The only problem there is to know a persons beliefs or true personality is to truly know the person and that takes time and real friendship, how many collectors get a chance to be intimate with there favorited artists to get a true picture of that person before they buy their art? ย If everyone found out Banksy has 22 love children and beats them all would everyone stop buying his art?? It didn't stop any one buying Picasso,s work. ย Time for a top up.. I guess it only becomes relevant if you find out about the artists views (eg that chap who does the porcelain guns) or they are obvious from the art (eg I would never hang a painting depicting Bulldogs with George crosses). And if I found out an artist beats his kids, yes I wouldn't want their work in my house no matter who they are. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 15:23:02 GMT 1, The only problem there is to know a persons beliefs or true personality is to truly know the person and that takes time and real friendship, how many collectors get a chance to be intimate with there favorited artists to get a true picture of that person before they buy their art? If everyone found out Banksy has 22 love children and beats them all would everyone stop buying his art?? It didn't stop any one buying Picasso,s work. Time for a top up.. I guess it only becomes relevant if you find out about the artists views (eg that chap who does the porcelain guns) or they are obvious from the art (eg I would never hang a painting depicting Bulldogs with George crosses). And if I found out an artist beats his kids, yes I wouldn't want their work in my house no matter who they are.
Getting back to the original subject, art and politics are mixed even when the viewer is unaware. It has come to light that quite a few modern art collectors were bankrolled by the CIA to finance modern art as a fight against communism. Makes me wonder how culture is being manipulated today without our knowledge.
The only problem there is to know a persons beliefs or true personality is to truly know the person and that takes time and real friendship, how many collectors get a chance to be intimate with there favorited artists to get a true picture of that person before they buy their art? If everyone found out Banksy has 22 love children and beats them all would everyone stop buying his art?? It didn't stop any one buying Picasso,s work. Time for a top up.. I guess it only becomes relevant if you find out about the artists views (eg that chap who does the porcelain guns) or they are obvious from the art (eg I would never hang a painting depicting Bulldogs with George crosses). And if I found out an artist beats his kids, yes I wouldn't want their work in my house no matter who they are. I've been thinking about this quite a bit, more with music. Can I enjoy a beautiful song by written by someone that is a horrible person? I now cringe whenever I here a Mama's and Papa's song. Getting back to the original subject, art and politics are mixed even when the viewer is unaware. It has come to light that quite a few modern art collectors were bankrolled by the CIA to finance modern art as a fight against communism. Makes me wonder how culture is being manipulated today without our knowledge. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 21, 2016 15:27:36 GMT 1, No more than the books I read, the movies I watch or the music I listen to. I can appreciate political sentiment behind any art and admire an artist that is driven by such motives but, to me, political motivation ranks no higher than moral, cultural or experiential motivation. As it happens, I tend to prefer Banksy's more humorous work to his overtly political... the chambermaid lifting the brick wall to sweep rubbish beneath it, the 'self portrait' of the double yellow painter with its lines mischievously running up the pavement and climbing the wall. But that's just me - and I'm sure folk can turn anything into a political statement. Is 'Girl with Balloon' an image depicting the loss of innocence and a celebration of our ability to hope, or is it a caustic view of modern day Britain where corrupt governments keep us reaching for an elusive happiness, always tantalisingly out of reach. I know which I believe but a case can, and will, be made for both.
No more than the books I read, the movies I watch or the music I listen to. I can appreciate political sentiment behind any art and admire an artist that is driven by such motives but, to me, political motivation ranks no higher than moral, cultural or experiential motivation. As it happens, I tend to prefer Banksy's more humorous work to his overtly political... the chambermaid lifting the brick wall to sweep rubbish beneath it, the 'self portrait' of the double yellow painter with its lines mischievously running up the pavement and climbing the wall. But that's just me - and I'm sure folk can turn anything into a political statement. Is 'Girl with Balloon' an image depicting the loss of innocence and a celebration of our ability to hope, or is it a caustic view of modern day Britain where corrupt governments keep us reaching for an elusive happiness, always tantalisingly out of reach. I know which I believe but a case can, and will, be made for both.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Lroy on Apr 21, 2016 15:30:29 GMT 1, Never, apart anarchists artists, prints for Anarchists associations, with the A or not.
anyawy, Anarchists are not politics, but rebels.
Never, apart anarchists artists, prints for Anarchists associations, with the A or not.
anyawy, Anarchists are not politics, but rebels.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 21, 2016 16:01:04 GMT 1, Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky.
I believe the work is there to stimulate consideration and debate, so - whatever one's leanings, right or left, Dismaland would have served to generate debate, discussion and consideration on the society it claimed to represent. I guess it's more likely to generate discussion and debate from those who, going in, didn't align themselves with the persuasions of the majority of the artists so - if we accept that most artists were probably 'left' leaning (to use your vernacular) then, by definition, the exhibition would have been more successful in its goal with people who were 'right' minded.
Where that consideration ended up... who knows. One 'righty' might choose to jump ship and become a raging 'lefty'. Another might come to the conclusion that this area of art is populated by a ton of self serving millionaire socialists who claim to represent a long-forgotten strata of society whilst pontificating from their ivory towers and Malibu sunshine-lit lofts.
I'm still having a think about it
Good question and debate though, Silky... nice to see this kind of thing back on the forum.
Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. Hi Romulus I believe the work is there to stimulate consideration and debate, so - whatever one's leanings, right or left, Dismaland would have served to generate debate, discussion and consideration on the society it claimed to represent. I guess it's more likely to generate discussion and debate from those who, going in, didn't align themselves with the persuasions of the majority of the artists so - if we accept that most artists were probably 'left' leaning (to use your vernacular) then, by definition, the exhibition would have been more successful in its goal with people who were 'right' minded. Where that consideration ended up... who knows. One 'righty' might choose to jump ship and become a raging 'lefty'. Another might come to the conclusion that this area of art is populated by a ton of self serving millionaire socialists who claim to represent a long-forgotten strata of society whilst pontificating from their ivory towers and Malibu sunshine-lit lofts. I'm still having a think about it Good question and debate though, Silky... nice to see this kind of thing back on the forum. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2016 16:28:16 GMT 1, Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky.
I dont fit into the sort of Left and Right type of thinking at many of you like to talk about on here. I think a big chunk of the population dont really fit into simplified left and right politics that maybe had more relevance in the past than it does now in the modern world.
Yeah interesting chat thanks.
Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. I dont fit into the sort of Left and Right type of thinking at many of you like to talk about on here. I think a big chunk of the population dont really fit into simplified left and right politics that maybe had more relevance in the past than it does now in the modern world. Yeah interesting chat thanks. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Hubble Bubble on Apr 21, 2016 16:46:00 GMT 1, Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. I dont fit into the sort of Left and Right type of thinking at many of you like to talk about on here. I think a big chunk of the population dont really fit into simplified left and right politics that maybe had more relevance in the past than it does now in the modern world. Yeah interesting chat thanks.
Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. I dont fit into the sort of Left and Right type of thinking at many of you like to talk about on here. I think a big chunk of the population dont really fit into simplified left and right politics that maybe had more relevance in the past than it does now in the modern world. Yeah interesting chat thanks. Absolutely, totally, one thousand percent couldn't agree more. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 17:01:43 GMT 1, Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky.
Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. This may blow your mind but....what if......they just like it?. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by thewral on Apr 21, 2016 17:04:19 GMT 1, Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. This may blow your mind but....what if......they just like it?.
I could imagine a fiscally-right-leaning individual getting a nice chuckle out of Festival.
Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. This may blow your mind but....what if......they just like it?. I could imagine a fiscally-right-leaning individual getting a nice chuckle out of Festival. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Daniel Silk on Apr 21, 2016 17:19:29 GMT 1, The Banksy political argument is an interesting one.
I'm never sure how what Banksy has done fits in with some of the extreme political views that get pinned onto him. I mean from the very start he sold limited Edition prints, not open editions, also signed editions at x3 the price.
What are your thoughts?
The Banksy political argument is an interesting one.
I'm never sure how what Banksy has done fits in with some of the extreme political views that get pinned onto him. I mean from the very start he sold limited Edition prints, not open editions, also signed editions at x3 the price.
What are your thoughts?
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by dreadnatty on Apr 21, 2016 17:21:32 GMT 1, Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. This may blow your mind but....what if......they just like it?.
Interesting answers, Silky, and it's good to have the chat. I still can't really fathom what right-leaning people could possibly get from Banksy's work - especially Dismaland. For some, I guess it's the financial value and status symbol from owning his art, but I doubt this is the case for you, Silky. This may blow your mind but....what if......they just like it?. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 17:33:52 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
Heres an extreme for you.
I don't know what my point is as i haven't thought it through, however I saw his stuff at Longleat house a good few years back, and it was nice and pretty cottages and suchlike, it was hard for me to match the art to the monster
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/21/hitlers-art-of-flowers-and-fairytale-castles-sells-for-280000-at-auction
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? Heres an extreme for you. I don't know what my point is as i haven't thought it through, however I saw his stuff at Longleat house a good few years back, and it was nice and pretty cottages and suchlike, it was hard for me to match the art to the monster www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/21/hitlers-art-of-flowers-and-fairytale-castles-sells-for-280000-at-auction |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by agu on Apr 21, 2016 18:03:18 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
This is a good point, and I agree entirely. I have to buy art for from people who are enjoyable to deal with. If the seller was a bit of a tw*t I would not enjoy the art to the extent that I would sell it or not buy it in the first place.
That said for me it is not the politics but the distasteful association. In the case of Neo-Nazi's: racism and violence that makes you like the art less. In the same way that the value of Rolf Harris' work collapsed after he was convicted of sexual abuse of a child.
What I am getting at (rather poorly) is that the emotional associations rather than the specific politics that create the view. Hence you can have an interest in propaganda art or even the symbolic value of the Nazi uniform from an artistic perspective as long as you do not experience the emotional reaction associated with the horrors caused by the producers and wears.
...or something like that
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? This is a good point, and I agree entirely. I have to buy art for from people who are enjoyable to deal with. If the seller was a bit of a tw*t I would not enjoy the art to the extent that I would sell it or not buy it in the first place. That said for me it is not the politics but the distasteful association. In the case of Neo-Nazi's: racism and violence that makes you like the art less. In the same way that the value of Rolf Harris' work collapsed after he was convicted of sexual abuse of a child. What I am getting at (rather poorly) is that the emotional associations rather than the specific politics that create the view. Hence you can have an interest in propaganda art or even the symbolic value of the Nazi uniform from an artistic perspective as long as you do not experience the emotional reaction associated with the horrors caused by the producers and wears. ...or something like that |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by nds on Apr 21, 2016 18:12:35 GMT 1, I guess it only becomes relevant if you find out about the artists views (eg that chap who does the porcelain guns) or they are obvious from the art (eg I would never hang a painting depicting Bulldogs with George crosses). And if I found out an artist beats his kids, yes I wouldn't want their work in my house no matter who they are. I've been thinking about this quite a bit, more with music. Can I enjoy a beautiful song by written by someone that is a horrible person? I now cringe whenever I here a Mama's and Papa's song. Getting back to the original subject, art and politics are mixed even when the viewer is unaware. It has come to light that quite a few modern art collectors were bankrolled by the CIA to finance modern art as a fight against communism. Makes me wonder how culture is being manipulated today without our knowledge.
Rolf Harris, and I bet his art work is still worth something even if not in monetary terms.
Bronson,
I wonder how many artists out these who are world famous with some horrible secrets, and yet people swear by their art work.
'Makes me wonder how culture is being manipulated today without our knowledge.'
That's an interesting point.
I think culture is probably being manipulated every second without our knowledge although culture is produced in the present despite it's negative or positive connotations. Therefore the CIA financing modern art as a fight against communism (if true) is the very essence of culture itself.
I guess it only becomes relevant if you find out about the artists views (eg that chap who does the porcelain guns) or they are obvious from the art (eg I would never hang a painting depicting Bulldogs with George crosses). And if I found out an artist beats his kids, yes I wouldn't want their work in my house no matter who they are. I've been thinking about this quite a bit, more with music. Can I enjoy a beautiful song by written by someone that is a horrible person? I now cringe whenever I here a Mama's and Papa's song. Getting back to the original subject, art and politics are mixed even when the viewer is unaware. It has come to light that quite a few modern art collectors were bankrolled by the CIA to finance modern art as a fight against communism. Makes me wonder how culture is being manipulated today without our knowledge. I think the answer is yes, I believe so.. 'ignorance is bliss'. Rolf Harris, and I bet his art work is still worth something even if not in monetary terms. Bronson, I wonder how many artists out these who are world famous with some horrible secrets, and yet people swear by their art work.
'Makes me wonder how culture is being manipulated today without our knowledge.'
That's an interesting point. I think culture is probably being manipulated every second without our knowledge although culture is produced in the present despite it's negative or positive connotations. Therefore the CIA financing modern art as a fight against communism (if true) is the very essence of culture itself. |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 19:58:24 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political.
Like it or not, all Art is political.
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 20:40:40 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political.
How so?
I like Adam Neate, would you say his art is political in anyway?
Or have i missed the point again?
Like it or not, all Art is political. How so? I like Adam Neate, would you say his art is political in anyway? Or have i missed the point again? |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Dungle on Apr 21, 2016 20:56:50 GMT 1, If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense?
i am currently trying to come to terms with the fact that Paul Insect might be a dirty gooner
If an artist was a Neo Nazi, could you like the art? That's an extreme example, but the personality and general beliefs of the artist can certainly change my view of them and their art. For me art isn't just about a surface level, pretty picture. I have to have a good feeling about "where it's coming from". If that makes sense? Yup. i am currently trying to come to terms with the fact that Paul Insect might be a dirty gooner |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by oxfordwelshchap on Apr 21, 2016 21:08:27 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political.
Like it or not, all Art is political. What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Dungle on Apr 21, 2016 21:10:17 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson?
Or a fish with Googly eyes?
Like it or not, all Art is political. What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? Or a fish with Googly eyes? |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by nds on Apr 21, 2016 21:14:39 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson?
Like it or not, all Art is political. What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? Chewy was a part of the Rebel Alliance, The dirty political Anarchist . |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 21:27:35 GMT 1, What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? Or a fish with Googly eyes?
What about, for example, all the Star Wars art? How can chewy getting a haircut be political, unless your talking about boris johnson? Or a fish with Googly eyes? Sorry, thought we were talking bout art ;-) |
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In your mind is Art & Politics connected?, by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 21:37:38 GMT 1, Like it or not, all Art is political. How so? I like Adam Neate, would you say his art is political in anyway? Or have i missed the point again?
Like it or not, all Art is political. How so? I like Adam Neate, would you say his art is political in anyway? Or have i missed the point again? I'd say his practice was political yes, he's from a graffiti background which is counter cultural & political, rejected white cube, political, self taught, political, gave his work away for free for years, political, influenced by Cubism, political, content of his work and titles often political etc etc. |
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