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Is it just me..., by Tiki on May 4, 2016 15:11:42 GMT 1, Is it just me or is this art game just pokemon cards for "grown-ups"?
If supply and demand dictates the cost of something and therefore its "value" are we as collectors in fact complete morons (Banksy's image would certainly suggest as much), no better than our pokemon/football sticker/POG collecting child selves? I'm sure many of us cringe at the thought of the wasted money directed towards our childhood "must haves".
Many on our forum(s) and within the greater art community, preach the idea that value has nothing to do with a purchase or sale. "I buy what I love, not in the hope of making money" is the cry of many, when presented with the subjects of secondary market, flippers, con-men and prospectors. If this is true then surely jessops would satisfy your every desire to own that must have piece on the wall?
I don't look to distance myself from the rest of you sheep , I am very much part of the herd it would seem. That said though, are a large swathe of us simply hypocrites?
Just my Wednesday afternoon thoughts... Now when's that new Pejac print dropping...
Is it just me or is this art game just pokemon cards for "grown-ups"? If supply and demand dictates the cost of something and therefore its "value" are we as collectors in fact complete morons (Banksy's image would certainly suggest as much), no better than our pokemon/football sticker/POG collecting child selves? I'm sure many of us cringe at the thought of the wasted money directed towards our childhood "must haves". Many on our forum(s) and within the greater art community, preach the idea that value has nothing to do with a purchase or sale. "I buy what I love, not in the hope of making money" is the cry of many, when presented with the subjects of secondary market, flippers, con-men and prospectors. If this is true then surely jessops would satisfy your every desire to own that must have piece on the wall? I don't look to distance myself from the rest of you sheep , I am very much part of the herd it would seem. That said though, are a large swathe of us simply hypocrites? Just my Wednesday afternoon thoughts... Now when's that new Pejac print dropping...
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Is it just me..., by Happy Shopper on May 4, 2016 15:14:10 GMT 1, No. It's not just you... but don't tell anyone...
No. It's not just you... but don't tell anyone...
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 4, 2016 15:18:42 GMT 1, It's just another version of Franklin Mint and collectors plate craze from the past decades.
It's just another version of Franklin Mint and collectors plate craze from the past decades.
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Is it just me..., by Tiki on May 4, 2016 16:06:00 GMT 1, It's just another version of Franklin Mint and collectors plate craze from the past decades. That one was a little before my time i'm happy to say Ploppi! I do remember collecting football coins from esso garages and sainsbury's though. I think I still have the full 1998 World Cup England squad including the "final 5". In hindsight the progression to collecting other, more expensive stuff was inevitable...
It's just another version of Franklin Mint and collectors plate craze from the past decades. That one was a little before my time i'm happy to say Ploppi! I do remember collecting football coins from esso garages and sainsbury's though. I think I still have the full 1998 World Cup England squad including the "final 5". In hindsight the progression to collecting other, more expensive stuff was inevitable...
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 4, 2016 16:14:19 GMT 1, I buy what I love then stick it in a sleeve under the bed.
I buy what I love then stick it in a sleeve under the bed.
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Is it just me..., by lee3 on May 4, 2016 17:03:54 GMT 1, If coins, dolls or pokemon cards stir an emotional response in your soul and tempt you daily to stare, relax and contemplate their meaning then by all means equate them and prioritize accordingly. But, even the unenthusiastic among us stroll into a museum from time to time and see something that inspires them or wonder what the work symbolizes in a manner that the other suggestions can not. Each of those pursuits has a place but to compare the visual arts where the best among us funnel their emotion and intelligence in a skilled manner with something as silly/moronic as the Franklin mint is missing the forest through the trees.
If coins, dolls or pokemon cards stir an emotional response in your soul and tempt you daily to stare, relax and contemplate their meaning then by all means equate them and prioritize accordingly. But, even the unenthusiastic among us stroll into a museum from time to time and see something that inspires them or wonder what the work symbolizes in a manner that the other suggestions can not. Each of those pursuits has a place but to compare the visual arts where the best among us funnel their emotion and intelligence in a skilled manner with something as silly/moronic as the Franklin mint is missing the forest through the trees.
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Is it just me..., by adewilliams on May 4, 2016 17:31:04 GMT 1, I buy what I love then stick it in a sleeve under the bed. just beautiful. You nailed it
I buy what I love then stick it in a sleeve under the bed. just beautiful. You nailed it
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Is it just me..., by Hairbland on May 4, 2016 18:15:57 GMT 1, Everyone has their own reasons. For me, as someone who first went to MOMA on a 5th grade field trip, studied art in college and paint myself, some of this stuff is pretty good. And most of the time framing is as expensive as what I'm buying, so it's an investment (not speculative, but of my time, money and mind). I try to frame / hang everything I buy, sometimes immediately sometimes not if I can't afford it. The amount of wall space I have acts as the curator / decision maker for me. Looking at the art makes me happy and makes me think.
Everyone has their own reasons. For me, as someone who first went to MOMA on a 5th grade field trip, studied art in college and paint myself, some of this stuff is pretty good. And most of the time framing is as expensive as what I'm buying, so it's an investment (not speculative, but of my time, money and mind). I try to frame / hang everything I buy, sometimes immediately sometimes not if I can't afford it. The amount of wall space I have acts as the curator / decision maker for me. Looking at the art makes me happy and makes me think.
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Tiki
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Is it just me..., by Tiki on May 4, 2016 19:23:24 GMT 1, If coins, dolls or pokemon cards stir an emotional response in your soul and tempt you daily to stare, relax and contemplate their meaning then by all means equate them and prioritize accordingly. But, even the unenthusiastic among us stroll into a museum from time to time and see something that inspires them or wonder what the work symbolizes in a manner that the other suggestions can not. Each of those pursuits has a place but to compare the visual arts where the best among us funnel their emotion and intelligence in a skilled manner with something as silly/moronic as the Franklin mint is missing the forest through the trees.
No-one said anything about appreciating art, merely "collecting" it. Apparently you missed the wood for the trees...
If coins, dolls or pokemon cards stir an emotional response in your soul and tempt you daily to stare, relax and contemplate their meaning then by all means equate them and prioritize accordingly. But, even the unenthusiastic among us stroll into a museum from time to time and see something that inspires them or wonder what the work symbolizes in a manner that the other suggestions can not. Each of those pursuits has a place but to compare the visual arts where the best among us funnel their emotion and intelligence in a skilled manner with something as silly/moronic as the Franklin mint is missing the forest through the trees. No-one said anything about appreciating art, merely "collecting" it. Apparently you missed the wood for the trees...
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Is it just me..., by lee3 on May 4, 2016 19:36:37 GMT 1, If that's why you collect art, then so be it. Certainly not trying to be argumentative but the whole thread struck me as silly or just rather reducing the hobby to a pursuit of profit.
If that's why you collect art, then so be it. Certainly not trying to be argumentative but the whole thread struck me as silly or just rather reducing the hobby to a pursuit of profit.
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Tiki
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Is it just me..., by Tiki on May 4, 2016 19:55:15 GMT 1, If that's why you collect art, then so be it. Certainly not trying to be argumentative but the whole thread struck me as silly or just rather reducing the hobby to a pursuit of profit.
That is precisely what I am questioning though; those that claim they collect solely for the love of the art. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but if we all collect because we love art work (which also happens to come with a big price tag), are we not better with a cheap, good copy of said work?
It seems that what is being preached by many is that to enjoy art on your own walls at home you have to have to spend a lot of money to do so. No-one seems to question this and I am perplexed as to why.
If that's why you collect art, then so be it. Certainly not trying to be argumentative but the whole thread struck me as silly or just rather reducing the hobby to a pursuit of profit. That is precisely what I am questioning though; those that claim they collect solely for the love of the art. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but if we all collect because we love art work (which also happens to come with a big price tag), are we not better with a cheap, good copy of said work? It seems that what is being preached by many is that to enjoy art on your own walls at home you have to have to spend a lot of money to do so. No-one seems to question this and I am perplexed as to why.
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Is it just me..., by BKBOI on May 4, 2016 21:01:23 GMT 1, Art is a commodity.
Art is a commodity.
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Is it just me..., by My Name is Frank on May 4, 2016 23:39:47 GMT 1, I've owned copies that have sat on my wall. I graduated to wanting to own work directly involved with an artist I felt an affinity for. I guess it's the difference between being happy to listen to a band on Spotify and going to a gig, creating in some way a link between creator and admirer.
Fwiw I did buy during the hype train some right old shit, I regret it and it festers under beds. But the art truly bought as it created a feeling inside sits one the walls and gain greater meaning over time, evoking memories.
I've owned copies that have sat on my wall. I graduated to wanting to own work directly involved with an artist I felt an affinity for. I guess it's the difference between being happy to listen to a band on Spotify and going to a gig, creating in some way a link between creator and admirer.
Fwiw I did buy during the hype train some right old shit, I regret it and it festers under beds. But the art truly bought as it created a feeling inside sits one the walls and gain greater meaning over time, evoking memories.
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Is it just me..., by thomasmer on May 5, 2016 1:30:27 GMT 1, One huge game of football cards.
Sad but true.
Anyone got a John Barnes for a Peter Shilton foily?
One huge game of football cards.
Sad but true.
Anyone got a John Barnes for a Peter Shilton foily?
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 5, 2016 8:52:37 GMT 1, If that's why you collect art, then so be it. Certainly not trying to be argumentative but the whole thread struck me as silly or just rather reducing the hobby to a pursuit of profit. That is precisely what I am questioning though; those that claim they collect solely for the love of the art. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but if we all collect because we love art work (which also happens to come with a big price tag), are we not better with a cheap, good copy of said work? It seems that what is being preached by many is that to enjoy art on your own walls at home you have to have to spend a lot of money to do so. No-one seems to question this and I am perplexed as to why.
Totally true, it is either a Pokemon card games for "collectors" or a another way to make big bucks on short period of time for the jobless opportunists. You aren't the only one questioning things...
I asked the same question there and there, why are people here buying everything... they are buying stuff they don't even want or need, they are just buying because that's their game. They buy and then they resell it (pristine, flat, unopened) few months or years after with a good mark-up and the traditional collectors excuses (no space wall, another bigger purchase, wife factor, etc.). And yet, when you ask for print at cost (saying you love the image, it speaks to you, you want it to be framed), they call you low-baller... and then we all pretend to be friends here** One thing is sure, if you follow the trend and pinpoints some specific stuff, buying and reselling art is very profitable business, much safer than stock market, gambling or playing cards.
As I said here, "Playing cards is fun => In the Forum Guardian family, I ask the dad, mister conflictofinterest ??" ahaha !! - urbanartassociation.com/post/1392390/thread
I had a discussion with a friend about this, in my opinion, in the world of prints, there are no collectors as such, there are people with interest only (mostly money). Prints are for the small players (I am a small player myself, putting thousands of USD on art is not my thing, I am happy with prints in the 100-200 USD market price if I am please with the image). Real collectors go for canvas and unique stuff, no Pokemon prints/papers. Simple as that. But at the end, both worlds are totally rotten, the world of fine art is ran by an inner circle of people with conflict of interest. And prices have gone crazy !!
Hypocrites you said ?? Very hypocrites, I mention the friendly-art-flipper above... add to these, the ones speaking badly about artists or produced art there and there but then they still go on social network to lick artists'asses or galleries in the hope of getting a great opportunity (cheap art) to get the most of it in secret (that is to resold not cheap). Last time I made a nasty comment on WhiteWalls FB wall because they share the article about BLU removing graffiti (BLU speak about the galleries taking over art and galleries reshare it proudly without even looking themselves in the mirror). Yep, they exist, hypocrites. Many !
Let's not forget also that sell of fine arts (in the art high sphere) is one of the most unregulated market and third criminal activities after drugs and weapons traffic (UNESCO report)... And the all idea of purchasing fine art from a gallery who has shady practices (like chandelier/candle bidding, art underwriter or even selling backdoor stolen Syrian arts) makes me sick. Yes, there are criminals here too - urbanartassociation.com/post/1440915/thread
And what about the artists ? Why aren't they anything to fight this ? Why can't they flood the market with cheap prints so that everybody is happy... Because they have to follow the system for success. Some are happy to see artist putting a high cost price to put off flippers... but then, it satisfies the elitists or the flippers with a large kitty... wait, having large edition at cheap price is also good... thanks Obey, some think you are cheesy and cheap, I think you are doing great.
As for me, I only sold 2 prints (at cost) out of the all the prints I had bought, most of them are hanged on my walls... and if I had to sell my art, I would really consider selling it at good price locally (yes, locally, not here since people will jump on it just for the flip). So yes, contrary to many, I wouldn't mind selling my prints at cost +15% (to cover shipping and other expenditures) if it goes to a honest guy because as long I recover my purchase cost and make someone else happy, I am happy with that (and that is even is market price is 10 times higher, I don't have that "make the most it" second-hand car-seller spirit).
I am an art lover. As Hairbland said, looking at art makes me happy. But the people around it makes me less happy... and even sometime, getting to know the artist to find out he is a douchebag makes me even less happy... So I made my mind, I try to follow trends and watch art without all these socialites (but that's me I am an introvert by nature, the all idea of going somewhere being surrounded by hipsters and all the beautiful who keep complimenting each others, bwaaahh !). I met nice guys here over the past years, did some good purchases I love but things have changed greatly over time (and especially the amount of buyers and the cost price of art). You said better off with a "cheap good copy", some don't mind but many will prefer to have the original release... as for me, I moved to fine art to movie posters some years ago because you can great images that speak to you for 1-10 USD, it is a pokemon card game too (although players there know very well that posters - except a few - are worthless and thus the mentality is totally different).
At the end, your fine art is only a signed paper from artists that next generations will have forgotten... I had a laugh last week because I read an article about an artist buying old serigraphy (100-200 years) at 50 pc and doing art on it. Someone asked "what can you learn as an artist from his experience ?", I replied "that in 100 years, all the arts you made or bought will be worthless" (one guy will buy it in a flea market to make paper pulp and papier-mรขchรฉ sculptures
As Zappa used to sing, "We are only here for the money" !! (not everybody)
Sorry to spoil you day.
** Like these Dran doodle that French guy sold here to members at 75 USD each as a friendly gesture... They are now being flipped at 1k GBP and over by old members with no shame. Why ? Because, that's the market price... (really??) If you are one of them, go --- yourself !!
** Like the "Sunset" of Dran. I wanted it for personal reasons. And yet, many here bought them to put them on Ebay or reselling them at 1k GBP in just few days. Some are sitting in galleries managed by members here at 1k GBP - urbanartassociation.com/post/1486226/thread
** Just two examples amongst so many here. Some are honest and selling at good prices. In fact, I should start blocking all flippers to remain with only the good guys and publish the list somewhere here so that good guys only speak with good guys... and flippers with flippers.
If that's why you collect art, then so be it. Certainly not trying to be argumentative but the whole thread struck me as silly or just rather reducing the hobby to a pursuit of profit. That is precisely what I am questioning though; those that claim they collect solely for the love of the art. I am not saying anyone is right or wrong, but if we all collect because we love art work (which also happens to come with a big price tag), are we not better with a cheap, good copy of said work? It seems that what is being preached by many is that to enjoy art on your own walls at home you have to have to spend a lot of money to do so. No-one seems to question this and I am perplexed as to why. Totally true, it is either a Pokemon card games for "collectors" or a another way to make big bucks on short period of time for the jobless opportunists. You aren't the only one questioning things... I asked the same question there and there, why are people here buying everything... they are buying stuff they don't even want or need, they are just buying because that's their game. They buy and then they resell it (pristine, flat, unopened) few months or years after with a good mark-up and the traditional collectors excuses (no space wall, another bigger purchase, wife factor, etc.). And yet, when you ask for print at cost (saying you love the image, it speaks to you, you want it to be framed), they call you low-baller... and then we all pretend to be friends here** One thing is sure, if you follow the trend and pinpoints some specific stuff, buying and reselling art is very profitable business, much safer than stock market, gambling or playing cards. As I said here, "Playing cards is fun => In the Forum Guardian family, I ask the dad, mister conflictofinterest ??" ahaha !! - urbanartassociation.com/post/1392390/threadI had a discussion with a friend about this, in my opinion, in the world of prints, there are no collectors as such, there are people with interest only (mostly money). Prints are for the small players (I am a small player myself, putting thousands of USD on art is not my thing, I am happy with prints in the 100-200 USD market price if I am please with the image). Real collectors go for canvas and unique stuff, no Pokemon prints/papers. Simple as that. But at the end, both worlds are totally rotten, the world of fine art is ran by an inner circle of people with conflict of interest. And prices have gone crazy !! Hypocrites you said ?? Very hypocrites, I mention the friendly-art-flipper above... add to these, the ones speaking badly about artists or produced art there and there but then they still go on social network to lick artists'asses or galleries in the hope of getting a great opportunity (cheap art) to get the most of it in secret (that is to resold not cheap). Last time I made a nasty comment on WhiteWalls FB wall because they share the article about BLU removing graffiti (BLU speak about the galleries taking over art and galleries reshare it proudly without even looking themselves in the mirror). Yep, they exist, hypocrites. Many ! Let's not forget also that sell of fine arts (in the art high sphere) is one of the most unregulated market and third criminal activities after drugs and weapons traffic (UNESCO report)... And the all idea of purchasing fine art from a gallery who has shady practices (like chandelier/candle bidding, art underwriter or even selling backdoor stolen Syrian arts) makes me sick. Yes, there are criminals here too - urbanartassociation.com/post/1440915/threadAnd what about the artists ? Why aren't they anything to fight this ? Why can't they flood the market with cheap prints so that everybody is happy... Because they have to follow the system for success. Some are happy to see artist putting a high cost price to put off flippers... but then, it satisfies the elitists or the flippers with a large kitty... wait, having large edition at cheap price is also good... thanks Obey, some think you are cheesy and cheap, I think you are doing great. As for me, I only sold 2 prints (at cost) out of the all the prints I had bought, most of them are hanged on my walls... and if I had to sell my art, I would really consider selling it at good price locally (yes, locally, not here since people will jump on it just for the flip). So yes, contrary to many, I wouldn't mind selling my prints at cost +15% (to cover shipping and other expenditures) if it goes to a honest guy because as long I recover my purchase cost and make someone else happy, I am happy with that (and that is even is market price is 10 times higher, I don't have that "make the most it" second-hand car-seller spirit). I am an art lover. As Hairbland said, looking at art makes me happy. But the people around it makes me less happy... and even sometime, getting to know the artist to find out he is a douchebag makes me even less happy... So I made my mind, I try to follow trends and watch art without all these socialites (but that's me I am an introvert by nature, the all idea of going somewhere being surrounded by hipsters and all the beautiful who keep complimenting each others, bwaaahh !). I met nice guys here over the past years, did some good purchases I love but things have changed greatly over time (and especially the amount of buyers and the cost price of art). You said better off with a "cheap good copy", some don't mind but many will prefer to have the original release... as for me, I moved to fine art to movie posters some years ago because you can great images that speak to you for 1-10 USD, it is a pokemon card game too (although players there know very well that posters - except a few - are worthless and thus the mentality is totally different). At the end, your fine art is only a signed paper from artists that next generations will have forgotten... I had a laugh last week because I read an article about an artist buying old serigraphy (100-200 years) at 50 pc and doing art on it. Someone asked "what can you learn as an artist from his experience ?", I replied "that in 100 years, all the arts you made or bought will be worthless" (one guy will buy it in a flea market to make paper pulp and papier-mรขchรฉ sculptures As Zappa used to sing, "We are only here for the money" !! (not everybody) Sorry to spoil you day. ** Like these Dran doodle that French guy sold here to members at 75 USD each as a friendly gesture... They are now being flipped at 1k GBP and over by old members with no shame. Why ? Because, that's the market price... (really??) If you are one of them, go --- yourself !! ** Like the "Sunset" of Dran. I wanted it for personal reasons. And yet, many here bought them to put them on Ebay or reselling them at 1k GBP in just few days. Some are sitting in galleries managed by members here at 1k GBP - urbanartassociation.com/post/1486226/thread ** Just two examples amongst so many here. Some are honest and selling at good prices. In fact, I should start blocking all flippers to remain with only the good guys and publish the list somewhere here so that good guys only speak with good guys... and flippers with flippers.
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Is it just me..., by sakyamuni on May 5, 2016 13:10:03 GMT 1, i dont see the reason for so much bitterness. I have no issue with flippers as I never buy something at a higher price if I missed it. sometimes I am annoyed, but there is so much great art available and affordable that I don't see why it would be such an important issue that someone else has tried to make some money out of it. And this has no influence on the pleasure I have when I spend some time in a gallery or watching pictures from an exhibition here. I liked the recent Paul insect exhibition, if I had been in London I would have been happy to buy a print or a study, but I don't live in London so I did not. Does it ruin my life ? No. Am I offended because some people bought these to resell at higher price ? No. I don't plan to start a vendetta on the internet because of that. I don't care. What I remember is that it was a great exhibition and I was thankful to be able to see all these pictures here. Discussions about prints, resell, flipping and other dramatic topics are of no interest to me. You can of course think this is important, attack anyone you feel right to do, but I disagree
i dont see the reason for so much bitterness. I have no issue with flippers as I never buy something at a higher price if I missed it. sometimes I am annoyed, but there is so much great art available and affordable that I don't see why it would be such an important issue that someone else has tried to make some money out of it. And this has no influence on the pleasure I have when I spend some time in a gallery or watching pictures from an exhibition here. I liked the recent Paul insect exhibition, if I had been in London I would have been happy to buy a print or a study, but I don't live in London so I did not. Does it ruin my life ? No. Am I offended because some people bought these to resell at higher price ? No. I don't plan to start a vendetta on the internet because of that. I don't care. What I remember is that it was a great exhibition and I was thankful to be able to see all these pictures here. Discussions about prints, resell, flipping and other dramatic topics are of no interest to me. You can of course think this is important, attack anyone you feel right to do, but I disagree
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 5, 2016 13:43:04 GMT 1, This forum sometimes looks like flip central.
Lots of prints for sale that were only bought reecently by people who wowed and said how lucky they were to hav bought who now have to sell cos of their home was destroyed by a t rex and have to pay some bills etc.
Supply and demand depends on whether a demand is being artficially created in order for some to make a profit from people who buy into the demand.
You can buy ltd edition prints from most small auction rooms sold by bricks and morter galleries ten twenty or more years ago at high street gallery retail prices for a fraction of their original price.
People who appreciate art generally appreciate all art old and new.
This forum sometimes looks like flip central.
Lots of prints for sale that were only bought reecently by people who wowed and said how lucky they were to hav bought who now have to sell cos of their home was destroyed by a t rex and have to pay some bills etc.
Supply and demand depends on whether a demand is being artficially created in order for some to make a profit from people who buy into the demand.
You can buy ltd edition prints from most small auction rooms sold by bricks and morter galleries ten twenty or more years ago at high street gallery retail prices for a fraction of their original price.
People who appreciate art generally appreciate all art old and new.
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Is it just me..., by BKBOI on May 5, 2016 14:50:41 GMT 1, People buy what they love but as with anything collectible, people tend to want things that other people want.
People buy what they love but as with anything collectible, people tend to want things that other people want.
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Is it just me..., by d.r. perseus on May 6, 2016 7:49:47 GMT 1, I grew up in a house surrounded by art. I draw. I paint. As for your Pejac example. I own meadow. I won't sell unless desperate. I don't care what its value is when I am dead in 200 years. Nobody will remember me, but now I am supposed to care about what people think about my art tastes at that time. Talk about a fragile person.
I am not Eli Broad. I am not a Guggenheim. Whats the name of the creators of Pokemon again? exactly.
I grew up in a house surrounded by art. I draw. I paint. As for your Pejac example. I own meadow. I won't sell unless desperate. I don't care what its value is when I am dead in 200 years. Nobody will remember me, but now I am supposed to care about what people think about my art tastes at that time. Talk about a fragile person.
I am not Eli Broad. I am not a Guggenheim. Whats the name of the creators of Pokemon again? exactly.
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Is it just me..., by gatecrasher on May 6, 2016 14:55:28 GMT 1, It's just another version of Franklin Mint and collectors plate craze from the past decades. You missed Beanie Babies
Now who wants to buy my limited edition 24k edged Franklin Mint plate collection ?
It's just another version of Franklin Mint and collectors plate craze from the past decades. You missed Beanie Babies Now who wants to buy my limited edition 24k edged Franklin Mint plate collection ?
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 7, 2016 12:41:24 GMT 1, I wonder what happens to all the unsold prints on Ebay?
I wonder what happens to all the unsold prints on Ebay?
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January 1970
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 7, 2016 15:23:26 GMT 1, We should all sell our art and start buying tulips like mad
We should all sell our art and start buying tulips like mad
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 10, 2016 14:23:30 GMT 1, Bitterness and anger, yes. If there is something I want and I know I can't have it because of half of them were bought by flippers and I can't afford it anymore, yes, it is an issue to me. Being in forum with thieves, con-men, crooks and flippers is not a problem for you, it is for me. This place is. Does it ruin my life, no it doesn't. Vendetta, really ? It is good to speak out... Blu did and many agreed. I don't do a vendetta as it implies posting everyday, trolling everyone's post, etc. I don't. Am I offended, yes, just knowing FR is a mod offend me, ahaha. Indeed, we clearly disagree. I am glad you didn't come up with something like my "post being the most stupid of the year" (but I am sure it is in your top 5).
Bitterness and anger, yes. If there is something I want and I know I can't have it because of half of them were bought by flippers and I can't afford it anymore, yes, it is an issue to me. Being in forum with thieves, con-men, crooks and flippers is not a problem for you, it is for me. This place is. Does it ruin my life, no it doesn't. Vendetta, really ? It is good to speak out... Blu did and many agreed. I don't do a vendetta as it implies posting everyday, trolling everyone's post, etc. I don't. Am I offended, yes, just knowing FR is a mod offend me, ahaha. Indeed, we clearly disagree. I am glad you didn't come up with something like my "post being the most stupid of the year" (but I am sure it is in your top 5).
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Is it just me..., by Fะฏ on May 10, 2016 14:30:53 GMT 1, Bitterness and anger, yes. If there is something I want and I know I can't have it because of half of them were bought by flippers and I can't afford it anymore, yes, it is an issue to me. Being in forum with thieves, con-men, crooks and flippers is not a problem for you, it is for me. This place is. Does it ruin my life, no it doesn't. Vendetta, really ? It is good to speak out... Blu did and many agreed. I don't do a vendetta as it implies posting everyday, trolling everyone's post, etc. I don't. Am I offended, yes, just knowing FR is a mod offend me, ahaha. Indeed, we clearly disagree. I am glad you didn't come up with something like my "post being the most stupid of the year" (but I am sure it is in your top 5). dont bring me into this, nothing to do with me.
not been a mod for more than 6 months now
Bitterness and anger, yes. If there is something I want and I know I can't have it because of half of them were bought by flippers and I can't afford it anymore, yes, it is an issue to me. Being in forum with thieves, con-men, crooks and flippers is not a problem for you, it is for me. This place is. Does it ruin my life, no it doesn't. Vendetta, really ? It is good to speak out... Blu did and many agreed. I don't do a vendetta as it implies posting everyday, trolling everyone's post, etc. I don't. Am I offended, yes, just knowing FR is a mod offend me, ahaha. Indeed, we clearly disagree. I am glad you didn't come up with something like my "post being the most stupid of the year" (but I am sure it is in your top 5). dont bring me into this, nothing to do with me. not been a mod for more than 6 months now
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Tiki
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Is it just me..., by Tiki on May 10, 2016 15:05:25 GMT 1, Bitterness and anger, yes. If there is something I want and I know I can't have it because of half of them were bought by flippers and I can't afford it anymore, yes, it is an issue to me. Being in forum with thieves, con-men, crooks and flippers is not a problem for you, it is for me. This place is. Does it ruin my life, no it doesn't. Vendetta, really ? It is good to speak out... Blu did and many agreed. I don't do a vendetta as it implies posting everyday, trolling everyone's post, etc. I don't. Am I offended, yes, just knowing FR is a mod offend me, ahaha. Indeed, we clearly disagree. I am glad you didn't come up with something like my "post being the most stupid of the year" (but I am sure it is in your top 5). I'm glad it's not just me that feels this way at least. I too am bitter, frustrated and offended by much of what I see, hear and worst of all what I subject myself to. Also the audacity of someone, to question a genuine thought or feeling towards the pursuit of our "hobby", by referring to my original post as "silly" is quite frankly offensive - Even more so considering this is a "forum"; a platform for all to discuss precisely this (art and everything associated). By all means disagree and reply with your personal opinion but don't belittle my opinion because it contradicts your own. Perhaps you'd prefer we just get back to reviewing the latest upcoming release to ensure we get a good gauge on how sought after it is... Afterall it would be much easier for us to decide how much we like it then...
You and I should go for a beer @thebigboss; put the world to rights with our bitterness and silly comments.
Bitterness and anger, yes. If there is something I want and I know I can't have it because of half of them were bought by flippers and I can't afford it anymore, yes, it is an issue to me. Being in forum with thieves, con-men, crooks and flippers is not a problem for you, it is for me. This place is. Does it ruin my life, no it doesn't. Vendetta, really ? It is good to speak out... Blu did and many agreed. I don't do a vendetta as it implies posting everyday, trolling everyone's post, etc. I don't. Am I offended, yes, just knowing FR is a mod offend me, ahaha. Indeed, we clearly disagree. I am glad you didn't come up with something like my "post being the most stupid of the year" (but I am sure it is in your top 5). I'm glad it's not just me that feels this way at least. I too am bitter, frustrated and offended by much of what I see, hear and worst of all what I subject myself to. Also the audacity of someone, to question a genuine thought or feeling towards the pursuit of our "hobby", by referring to my original post as "silly" is quite frankly offensive - Even more so considering this is a "forum"; a platform for all to discuss precisely this (art and everything associated). By all means disagree and reply with your personal opinion but don't belittle my opinion because it contradicts your own. Perhaps you'd prefer we just get back to reviewing the latest upcoming release to ensure we get a good gauge on how sought after it is... Afterall it would be much easier for us to decide how much we like it then... You and I should go for a beer @thebigboss; put the world to rights with our bitterness and silly comments.
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sakyamuni
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Is it just me..., by sakyamuni on May 10, 2016 15:31:37 GMT 1, @tiki, congrats for a positive way to put an end to this thread, cheers guys bigboss, I did not find your post stupid at all, just sad, as I cannot understand so much aggressiveness for so unimportant things (a print !). But ok, that's your life...
@tiki, congrats for a positive way to put an end to this thread, cheers guys bigboss, I did not find your post stupid at all, just sad, as I cannot understand so much aggressiveness for so unimportant things (a print !). But ok, that's your life...
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January 1970
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Is it just me..., by Deleted on May 12, 2016 8:45:28 GMT 1, I wrote a reply and deleted my account on another tab before clicking "Reply" button
sakyamuni - Yes, you didn't call my post as being the most stupid post of the year, there are progress, I appreciate that. Aggressiveness, hehe, strange how people are reacting badly to words, rants and hard talk calling it aggressive... but at the same time, keeping quite on acts. It is just words, I don't act badly like many here. I just speak out hoping to catch the mind of bad people with a slight conscience (hard stuff). And my talk is not about print only, it is about the all art sphere being full of con-men, thieves, flippers, speculators, etc. It looks like you missed the all point. We clearly disagree. I don't like conformity and hypocrisy, I am an cynical activist who dislike injustice and, as you said, it is me and my life is fine But now I am gone, you can ease up.
Tiki - Well, I don't think I will ever go to Sweden... so having a beer will be difficult. If you wanna hook, I am here - www.facebook.com/fukomzungu - or at the other forum (I rarely go there though neither) under thebigboss. Putting the world to rights, good luck Find Wally first and deal with Jboy, hehe !
FR - I forgot, you are saint. I got confused, I meant that guy, what's his name, I forgot, sorry... So many people here with same agenda, so it is hard to differentiate clearly who is who. Ask mod to delete my post if you feel it is needed.
This place is as creepy as Uncle Bernie's Farm* And that's the part I kill myself. I go into my car and I hit the wall, I am dying covered by red ink soaked in deckled edge paper with tubes of intestines pouring out of my embossed belly.
** Uncle Bernie's Farm is a song about ugly toys and the people who makes them. Implied here is the possibility that people who buy the ugly toys might be as ugly as the toys themselves.
I wrote a reply and deleted my account on another tab before clicking "Reply" button sakyamuni - Yes, you didn't call my post as being the most stupid post of the year, there are progress, I appreciate that. Aggressiveness, hehe, strange how people are reacting badly to words, rants and hard talk calling it aggressive... but at the same time, keeping quite on acts. It is just words, I don't act badly like many here. I just speak out hoping to catch the mind of bad people with a slight conscience (hard stuff). And my talk is not about print only, it is about the all art sphere being full of con-men, thieves, flippers, speculators, etc. It looks like you missed the all point. We clearly disagree. I don't like conformity and hypocrisy, I am an cynical activist who dislike injustice and, as you said, it is me and my life is fine But now I am gone, you can ease up. Tiki - Well, I don't think I will ever go to Sweden... so having a beer will be difficult. If you wanna hook, I am here - www.facebook.com/fukomzungu - or at the other forum (I rarely go there though neither) under thebigboss. Putting the world to rights, good luck Find Wally first and deal with Jboy, hehe ! FR - I forgot, you are saint. I got confused, I meant that guy, what's his name, I forgot, sorry... So many people here with same agenda, so it is hard to differentiate clearly who is who. Ask mod to delete my post if you feel it is needed. This place is as creepy as Uncle Bernie's Farm* And that's the part I kill myself. I go into my car and I hit the wall, I am dying covered by red ink soaked in deckled edge paper with tubes of intestines pouring out of my embossed belly. ** Uncle Bernie's Farm is a song about ugly toys and the people who makes them. Implied here is the possibility that people who buy the ugly toys might be as ugly as the toys themselves.
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