darkcity
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by darkcity on May 29, 2016 11:44:35 GMT 1, Im curious and wanted to ask how many collectors here just purchase pieces they like? , maybe your in a gallery and something cathches your eye or your browsing Instagram and see something that you love the look off. How much "hype" or PR would need to be involved behind an artist to pursue your purchase? Also its no secret a lot of collectors buy for investment as well, but how many of you guys buy things your not crazy about just hecuase its the newest, hottest, hyped piece of Art? Im. Just curious as one of my favorite threads is "show your latest buy" but i see the same artists for the most part, over and over and I also see prints selling out or even originals of an artists that i can say for sure not every one buying is looking to spend another $300 or more on top Of their purchase to frame and hang on wall..
Just wanted to get some feedback to see how much influence" hype" has over a purchase and ultimately an artists career even with those whom have great talent. I can name a handfull off the top of my head that wont be discussed 5 yrs from now jist like i read back threw old posts and have read or seen members going crazy for prints and shows etc.. For artists that were talked about 5 yts ago that are very rarely mentioned anymore. Not trying to stir up. Controversy just a little feedback and healthy debate on opinion. Peefect example. Would be a sandra chevrier light box with flashing light options... Really?
I see some amazing art or artists getting over looked who could possibky have amazing careers and end up in serious collections just for the pure aesthetic value of the work, but since the PR and hype. Machine is not plowing the way for them we seem to keep getting stuck with the same recycled imagery and paying more and more for it, lastly it seems unlike 5 yrs or 10 yrs ago when a lot of time , effort and energy went into print producing such as selection of image, careful selection of material's, edition size etc.. It just seems now that its getting lazy, 7 out of 10 release's are glicees when a lot of us know they dont all have to be, i know some cant be replicated withoit being so, but also another issues is just releasing a print every time it seems an artist or gallery needs to Churn up a few extra bucks.. Priints are being released at a rate from Some Artists that weve never seen before.
Im even surprised at how many prints Kaws has released recently, i know his supply and demand has grown and needs to be met but again this is art not cars or shoes not a necessity, kaws released more prints in tbe last 18 months then he has in the last 7 yrs. Also the new basquit release with pace leaves me to thread with cuation, i was one who purchased the last one and who's to say we wont see a new one released every yr. I purchased one thinking the chances of ever getting anotber would be slim. Or The chances of another ever being released would be so far and few, if at all... Sorry if this seemed like. A rant but have been very curious... Any and all opinions welcomed I'd love to hear from those who think about the same before buying.
Im curious and wanted to ask how many collectors here just purchase pieces they like? , maybe your in a gallery and something cathches your eye or your browsing Instagram and see something that you love the look off. How much "hype" or PR would need to be involved behind an artist to pursue your purchase? Also its no secret a lot of collectors buy for investment as well, but how many of you guys buy things your not crazy about just hecuase its the newest, hottest, hyped piece of Art? Im. Just curious as one of my favorite threads is "show your latest buy" but i see the same artists for the most part, over and over and I also see prints selling out or even originals of an artists that i can say for sure not every one buying is looking to spend another $300 or more on top Of their purchase to frame and hang on wall..
Just wanted to get some feedback to see how much influence" hype" has over a purchase and ultimately an artists career even with those whom have great talent. I can name a handfull off the top of my head that wont be discussed 5 yrs from now jist like i read back threw old posts and have read or seen members going crazy for prints and shows etc.. For artists that were talked about 5 yts ago that are very rarely mentioned anymore. Not trying to stir up. Controversy just a little feedback and healthy debate on opinion. Peefect example. Would be a sandra chevrier light box with flashing light options... Really?
I see some amazing art or artists getting over looked who could possibky have amazing careers and end up in serious collections just for the pure aesthetic value of the work, but since the PR and hype. Machine is not plowing the way for them we seem to keep getting stuck with the same recycled imagery and paying more and more for it, lastly it seems unlike 5 yrs or 10 yrs ago when a lot of time , effort and energy went into print producing such as selection of image, careful selection of material's, edition size etc.. It just seems now that its getting lazy, 7 out of 10 release's are glicees when a lot of us know they dont all have to be, i know some cant be replicated withoit being so, but also another issues is just releasing a print every time it seems an artist or gallery needs to Churn up a few extra bucks.. Priints are being released at a rate from Some Artists that weve never seen before.
Im even surprised at how many prints Kaws has released recently, i know his supply and demand has grown and needs to be met but again this is art not cars or shoes not a necessity, kaws released more prints in tbe last 18 months then he has in the last 7 yrs. Also the new basquit release with pace leaves me to thread with cuation, i was one who purchased the last one and who's to say we wont see a new one released every yr. I purchased one thinking the chances of ever getting anotber would be slim. Or The chances of another ever being released would be so far and few, if at all... Sorry if this seemed like. A rant but have been very curious... Any and all opinions welcomed I'd love to hear from those who think about the same before buying.
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BKBOI
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by BKBOI on May 29, 2016 14:52:48 GMT 1, Kaws can release as much prints as he wants. He is alive and he is taking the lead on what ends up becoming a print. The Basquiat release is what is definitely wrong with the art collecting world. If dead people can start producing works, then it becomes a free for all. What is crazy is that collectors are actually buying because it might be the only chance they can own a Basquiat. But you can own a Basquiat too by buying shirts, a skateboard deck or some nice coffee mugs all with the blessing of the trust. The Basquiat release has no input whatsoever from the artist... unless he had clear instructions in his will that he wanted X, XXX and XX works be turned into a limited edition run. Worst is that these dead artists can't even be bothered to rise from their graves to at least sign the god damn thing.
Kaws can release as much prints as he wants. He is alive and he is taking the lead on what ends up becoming a print. The Basquiat release is what is definitely wrong with the art collecting world. If dead people can start producing works, then it becomes a free for all. What is crazy is that collectors are actually buying because it might be the only chance they can own a Basquiat. But you can own a Basquiat too by buying shirts, a skateboard deck or some nice coffee mugs all with the blessing of the trust. The Basquiat release has no input whatsoever from the artist... unless he had clear instructions in his will that he wanted X, XXX and XX works be turned into a limited edition run. Worst is that these dead artists can't even be bothered to rise from their graves to at least sign the god damn thing.
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by Hairbland on May 29, 2016 15:08:27 GMT 1, I have no problem at all with people buying the Pace Basquiat prints. As P.T. Barnum once said, although it turns out he didn't actually say it, there's a sucker born every minute.
And maybe it was Mark Twain, maybe not, who said a fool and his money are soon parted.
If some idiot has $50,000 for a dead artist's print put out by his opportunizing estate, good for them. Seeing the originals in galleries and museums works just fine for me.
I have no problem at all with people buying the Pace Basquiat prints. As P.T. Barnum once said, although it turns out he didn't actually say it, there's a sucker born every minute.
And maybe it was Mark Twain, maybe not, who said a fool and his money are soon parted.
If some idiot has $50,000 for a dead artist's print put out by his opportunizing estate, good for them. Seeing the originals in galleries and museums works just fine for me.
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by .dappy on May 29, 2016 15:39:53 GMT 1, ... to answer your first question
... I buy what I like 
... to answer your first question ... I buy what I like |
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South Bound
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by South Bound on May 29, 2016 15:47:07 GMT 1, I only buy what I like. My tastes have evolved and I cannot afford to buy and not put it on the wall.
I only buy what I like. My tastes have evolved and I cannot afford to buy and not put it on the wall.
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by Deleted on May 29, 2016 15:54:20 GMT 1, I don't believe they (prints when released) do all sell out. Even from the bigger names in urban art. My theory is that they sell some prints, say sold out and hold the others back to sell for higher price on the secondary market.
There are even unsold Kaws on Ebay as well as prints released by other artists.
The premium high prices bid up at auction looks similar to how the Chinese artists were bid up to record prices at auction by dealers and sold to hedge funds and investors etc.
For sure if anyone spends five hundred pounds on a print they have to look at it as some sort of investmen and oney well spent. If they were only going by liking the image then there are hundreds of artists who sell for low prices that can produce originals wit as good images and also better in some cases.
People on this forum do buy art by less known artists and not everyone shows their purchase in the show us your art thread.
Regarding the latest next big street artist etc
As they say, don't always believe what it says on the tin. Especially when it's said by dealers flippers and scenesters.
I don't believe they (prints when released) do all sell out. Even from the bigger names in urban art. My theory is that they sell some prints, say sold out and hold the others back to sell for higher price on the secondary market.
There are even unsold Kaws on Ebay as well as prints released by other artists.
The premium high prices bid up at auction looks similar to how the Chinese artists were bid up to record prices at auction by dealers and sold to hedge funds and investors etc.
For sure if anyone spends five hundred pounds on a print they have to look at it as some sort of investmen and oney well spent. If they were only going by liking the image then there are hundreds of artists who sell for low prices that can produce originals wit as good images and also better in some cases.
People on this forum do buy art by less known artists and not everyone shows their purchase in the show us your art thread.
Regarding the latest next big street artist etc
As they say, don't always believe what it says on the tin. Especially when it's said by dealers flippers and scenesters.
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Hairbland
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by Hairbland on May 29, 2016 15:55:25 GMT 1, I only buy what I like. My tastes have evolved and I cannot afford to buy and not put it on the wall.
Yes I'm with you and Dappy. Framed, on the wall, and somehow working cohesively to give an idea of what I like and what I'm about.
I only buy what I like. My tastes have evolved and I cannot afford to buy and not put it on the wall. Yes I'm with you and Dappy. Framed, on the wall, and somehow working cohesively to give an idea of what I like and what I'm about. |
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BKBOI
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by BKBOI on May 29, 2016 16:12:24 GMT 1, I have no problem at all with people buying the Pace Basquiat prints. As P.T. Barnum once said, although it turns out he didn't actually say it, there's a sucker born every minute. And maybe it was Mark Twain, maybe not, who said a fool and his money are soon parted. If some idiot has $50,000 for a dead artist's print put out by his opportunizing estate, good for them. Seeing the originals in galleries and museums works just fine for me.
dude, OP bought the first Basquiat release. Might want to rephrase the last paragraph. Bit harsh, no?
I have no problem at all with people buying the Pace Basquiat prints. As P.T. Barnum once said, although it turns out he didn't actually say it, there's a sucker born every minute. And maybe it was Mark Twain, maybe not, who said a fool and his money are soon parted. If some idiot has $50,000 for a dead artist's print put out by his opportunizing estate, good for them. Seeing the originals in galleries and museums works just fine for me. dude, OP bought the first Basquiat release. Might want to rephrase the last paragraph. Bit harsh, no? |
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by Poly Mindset on May 29, 2016 16:36:38 GMT 1, I don't believe they (prints when released) do all sell out. Even from the bigger names in urban art. My theory is that they sell some prints, say sold out and hold the others back to sell for higher price on the secondary market. There are even unsold Kaws on Ebay as well as prints released by other artists. The premium high prices bid up at auction looks similar to how the Chinese artists were bid up to record prices at auction by dealers and sold to hedge funds and investors etc. For sure if anyone spends five hundred pounds on a print they have to look at it as some sort of investmen and oney well spent. If they were only going by liking the image then there are hundreds of artists who sell for low prices that can produce originals wit as good images and also better in some cases. People on this forum do buy art by less known artists and not everyone shows their purchase in the show us your art thread. Regarding the latest next big street artist etc As they say, don't always believe what it says on the tin. Especially when it's said by dealers flippers and scenesters.
I don't believe they (prints when released) do all sell out. Even from the bigger names in urban art. My theory is that they sell some prints, say sold out and hold the others back to sell for higher price on the secondary market. There are even unsold Kaws on Ebay as well as prints released by other artists. The premium high prices bid up at auction looks similar to how the Chinese artists were bid up to record prices at auction by dealers and sold to hedge funds and investors etc. For sure if anyone spends five hundred pounds on a print they have to look at it as some sort of investmen and oney well spent. If they were only going by liking the image then there are hundreds of artists who sell for low prices that can produce originals wit as good images and also better in some cases. People on this forum do buy art by less known artists and not everyone shows their purchase in the show us your art thread. Regarding the latest next big street artist etc As they say, don't always believe what it says on the tin. Especially when it's said by dealers flippers and scenesters. Very true Ploppi. Look at Charming Bakers last release, still available. Additionally, it's obvious that 1xrun holds back prints for later availability in their archive sales. Please don't delete this just cause it says something about 1xrun, my last comments about them got deleted by a higher power. I also believe that some auctions houses buy prints hold them then drive up the prices( although I have no proof of that). I think it takes a while for people to get past getting caught up in the whole buying/investing/flipping ordeal and finally succumb to just buying art because they like it. It's a slow turning. |
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darkcity
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by darkcity on May 29, 2016 20:01:01 GMT 1, I have no problem at all with people buying the Pace Basquiat prints. As P.T. Barnum once said, although it turns out he didn't actually say it, there's a sucker born every minute. And maybe it was Mark Twain, maybe not, who said a fool and his money are soon parted. If some idiot has $50,000 for a dead artist's print put out by his opportunizing estate, good for them. Seeing the originals in galleries and museums works just fine for me. dude, OP bought the first Basquiat release. Might want to rephrase the last paragraph. Bit harsh, no?ย
This is actually well said to be honest i purchased thinking my chances of purchasing another would be slim to nill... And now that i see another sropping soon i woukdnt ve surprised to see another and another, yes Kaws can do wjat he wants but when teaming up. With pace print nmbers have been in tbe thousands compared to yrs passed and i agree about prints being held back to be sold at higher prices perfect example was tbe retna print a cpuple yrs back.. Where tgey all went to specific people or were sold on secondary market you can by a 40x60 retna print fot 15k but that 18x24 is selling for 9k.. C'mon... Long story short i wish i could believe poeple just purchase ezxtky what they fell in love with but it seems poeple go crazy over artists that jst recycle tge same images over and over bit the hype keeps em coming back for more, investment shoukd be considered over a certa8n amount spent yes but again it seems a lot is changing snd not for the better...
I have no problem at all with people buying the Pace Basquiat prints. As P.T. Barnum once said, although it turns out he didn't actually say it, there's a sucker born every minute. And maybe it was Mark Twain, maybe not, who said a fool and his money are soon parted. If some idiot has $50,000 for a dead artist's print put out by his opportunizing estate, good for them. Seeing the originals in galleries and museums works just fine for me. dude, OP bought the first Basquiat release. Might want to rephrase the last paragraph. Bit harsh, no?ย This is actually well said to be honest i purchased thinking my chances of purchasing another would be slim to nill... And now that i see another sropping soon i woukdnt ve surprised to see another and another, yes Kaws can do wjat he wants but when teaming up. With pace print nmbers have been in tbe thousands compared to yrs passed and i agree about prints being held back to be sold at higher prices perfect example was tbe retna print a cpuple yrs back.. Where tgey all went to specific people or were sold on secondary market you can by a 40x60 retna print fot 15k but that 18x24 is selling for 9k.. C'mon... Long story short i wish i could believe poeple just purchase ezxtky what they fell in love with but it seems poeple go crazy over artists that jst recycle tge same images over and over bit the hype keeps em coming back for more, investment shoukd be considered over a certa8n amount spent yes but again it seems a lot is changing snd not for the better... |
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by Hairbland on May 30, 2016 2:21:03 GMT 1, dude, OP bought the first Basquiat release. Might want to rephrase the last paragraph. Bit harsh, no?ย This is actually well said to be honest i purchased thinking my chances of purchasing another would be slim to nill... And now that i see another sropping soon i woukdnt ve surprised to see another and another, yes Kaws can do wjat he wants but when teaming up. With pace print nmbers have been in tbe thousands compared to yrs passed and i agree about prints being held back to be sold at higher prices perfect example was tbe retna print a cpuple yrs back.. Where tgey all went to specific people or were sold on secondary market you can by a 40x60 retna print fot 15k but that 18x24 is selling for 9k.. C'mon... Long story short i wish i could believe poeple just purchase ezxtky what they fell in love with but it seems poeple go crazy over artists that jst recycle tge same images over and over bit the hype keeps em coming back for more, investment shoukd be considered over a certa8n amount spent yes but again it seems a lot is changing snd not for the better...
. Cool, and by idiot I mean generally not specifically, and in NYC we often use it as a term of endearment.
dude, OP bought the first Basquiat release. Might want to rephrase the last paragraph. Bit harsh, no?ย This is actually well said to be honest i purchased thinking my chances of purchasing another would be slim to nill... And now that i see another sropping soon i woukdnt ve surprised to see another and another, yes Kaws can do wjat he wants but when teaming up. With pace print nmbers have been in tbe thousands compared to yrs passed and i agree about prints being held back to be sold at higher prices perfect example was tbe retna print a cpuple yrs back.. Where tgey all went to specific people or were sold on secondary market you can by a 40x60 retna print fot 15k but that 18x24 is selling for 9k.. C'mon... Long story short i wish i could believe poeple just purchase ezxtky what they fell in love with but it seems poeple go crazy over artists that jst recycle tge same images over and over bit the hype keeps em coming back for more, investment shoukd be considered over a certa8n amount spent yes but again it seems a lot is changing snd not for the better... . Cool, and by idiot I mean generally not specifically, and in NYC we often use it as a term of endearment. |
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Collecting, Hype, PR, Etc.. Opinions.. , by Deleted on May 30, 2016 16:48:12 GMT 1, I'm not surprised that a committee or gallery would release a print by a long deceased artist to make money. To me though the retail price is ludicrous for a poster.
I'm not surprised that a committee or gallery would release a print by a long deceased artist to make money. To me though the retail price is ludicrous for a poster.
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