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Art Wanted, by lha on Jun 4, 2014 13:20:51 GMT 1, There's always going to be divided opinion about the WCP stuff. I bought a framed WCP copy from a chap on ebay. I unframed it as wanted to replace the cheap Ikea frame. Turned out to be an original print with COA behind the print, which was nice.................
There's always going to be divided opinion about the WCP stuff. I bought a framed WCP copy from a chap on ebay. I unframed it as wanted to replace the cheap Ikea frame. Turned out to be an original print with COA behind the print, which was nice.................
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 13:28:46 GMT 1,
There's always going to be divided opinion about the WCP stuff. I bought a framed WCP copy from a chap on ebay. I unframed it as wanted to replace the cheap Ikea frame. Turned out to be an original print with COA behind the print, which was nice................. You wouldn't work for WCP by any chance If not you're a very lucky guy/gal Which print was it?
There's always going to be divided opinion about the WCP stuff. I bought a framed WCP copy from a chap on ebay. I unframed it as wanted to replace the cheap Ikea frame. Turned out to be an original print with COA behind the print, which was nice................. You wouldn't work for WCP by any chance If not you're a very lucky guy/gal Which print was it?
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Art Wanted, by lha on Jun 4, 2014 17:13:17 GMT 1, There's always going to be divided opinion about the WCP stuff. I bought a framed WCP copy from a chap on ebay. I unframed it as wanted to replace the cheap Ikea frame. Turned out to be an original print with COA behind the print, which was nice................. You wouldn't work for WCP by any chance If not you're a very lucky guy/gal Which print was it?
It didn't really happen CG - just adding a daft ironic comment to the thread! I don't work for WCP although I do own one - I think I'm being shot at dawn...........
There's always going to be divided opinion about the WCP stuff. I bought a framed WCP copy from a chap on ebay. I unframed it as wanted to replace the cheap Ikea frame. Turned out to be an original print with COA behind the print, which was nice................. You wouldn't work for WCP by any chance If not you're a very lucky guy/gal Which print was it?
It didn't really happen CG - just adding a daft ironic comment to the thread! I don't work for WCP although I do own one - I think I'm being shot at dawn...........
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:07:35 GMT 1, You wouldn't work for WCP by any chance If not you're a very lucky guy/gal Which print was it?
It didn't really happen CG - just adding a daft ironic comment to the thread! I don't work for WCP although I do own one - I think I'm being shot at dawn...........
lol, very good! I honestly thought you were a wcp employee of some sort trying to drum up support.
You wouldn't work for WCP by any chance If not you're a very lucky guy/gal Which print was it?
It didn't really happen CG - just adding a daft ironic comment to the thread! I don't work for WCP although I do own one - I think I'm being shot at dawn...........
lol, very good! I honestly thought you were a wcp employee of some sort trying to drum up support.
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Art Wanted, by curiousgeorge on Jun 4, 2014 18:28:06 GMT 1, You have to be VERY naive at BEST to not understand the concept of people buying framed art.It's human nature to trust people.Not saying it's smart to do so but it does happen and always will. Obvious you have been around the forum for sometime, so are fully aware people buy framed art yet jump at people for doing so. Fact is YOU provided the vehicle for nefarious people to attempt these frauds. Bang on about COPY being stamped on them all day long if you really feel that shields you. Still you've had a fair few quid out of it all so what's the problem eh Edit:If it came a to vote I would ban this crapola too.(not that it ever would) Shields us from what? Most originals are sold with a COA so the person who said they bought one of ours as an original should have done a little more research first. Please do tell us the name of the person who tried to sell a repro as original? If there was not a stamp saying copy then you would be venting your Anger at us for that, can't win ehh Shields you for having any moral/ethical involvement in people almost losing 8k. Pretty clear you do this to line own pockets and not in the least bit interested in input from anyone.If you don't see the link between what you do and what dodgy people do then you are at best, pretty dim. Fraudsters adding a sig will also go the extra mile and fake a COA.Not rocket science is it?
You DO directly have a hand in these situations, denying that fact, you are only fooling yourself and not me. Funny thing is you come here arguing the toss without stopping to think if any member may work for the I.R or suchlike
You have to be VERY naive at BEST to not understand the concept of people buying framed art.It's human nature to trust people.Not saying it's smart to do so but it does happen and always will. Obvious you have been around the forum for sometime, so are fully aware people buy framed art yet jump at people for doing so. Fact is YOU provided the vehicle for nefarious people to attempt these frauds. Bang on about COPY being stamped on them all day long if you really feel that shields you. Still you've had a fair few quid out of it all so what's the problem eh Edit:If it came a to vote I would ban this crapola too.(not that it ever would) Shields us from what? Most originals are sold with a COA so the person who said they bought one of ours as an original should have done a little more research first. Please do tell us the name of the person who tried to sell a repro as original? If there was not a stamp saying copy then you would be venting your Anger at us for that, can't win ehh Shields you for having any moral/ethical involvement in people almost losing 8k. Pretty clear you do this to line own pockets and not in the least bit interested in input from anyone.If you don't see the link between what you do and what dodgy people do then you are at best, pretty dim. Fraudsters adding a sig will also go the extra mile and fake a COA.Not rocket science is it? You DO directly have a hand in these situations, denying that fact, you are only fooling yourself and not me. Funny thing is you come here arguing the toss without stopping to think if any member may work for the I.R or suchlike
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Art Wanted, by lha on Jun 4, 2014 18:40:35 GMT 1,
It didn't really happen CG - just adding a daft ironic comment to the thread! I don't work for WCP although I do own one - I think I'm being shot at dawn...........
lol, very good! I honestly thought you were a wcp employee of some sort trying to drum up support.
No, just having a bit fun! The WCP thing is always going to divide opinion
It didn't really happen CG - just adding a daft ironic comment to the thread! I don't work for WCP although I do own one - I think I'm being shot at dawn...........
lol, very good! I honestly thought you were a wcp employee of some sort trying to drum up support. No, just having a bit fun! The WCP thing is always going to divide opinion
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:43:55 GMT 1, It's a dodgy scam up there with knock off LV handbags and fake perfume, nothing more nothing less, couple of barrow boys knocking out fake banksy prints.. maybe Dolk or Faile Book covers next.. It has no place in this culture and WCP should just be blanked. It's gonna happen whatever, but for sure shouldn't be promoted on here.
It's a dodgy scam up there with knock off LV handbags and fake perfume, nothing more nothing less, couple of barrow boys knocking out fake banksy prints.. maybe Dolk or Faile Book covers next.. It has no place in this culture and WCP should just be blanked. It's gonna happen whatever, but for sure shouldn't be promoted on here.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 18:59:58 GMT 1, I hear you but I was aware of Westcountryprince's stuff.If I was a newbie maybe I hadn't open the frame to check it out.If he wants to sell good quality copy why he doesn't put the stamp on the front instead of the back to avoid any scam? Who in their right mind buys and original in a frame The thing is WCP, there are some dodgy sorts out there as well you know, also in the past 6 months or so of Banksy hype and media reports the average 'not very clued up Joe public' has been spurred on to find something by Banksy, now he doesnt know anything about PC / POW or any of that malarkey, he just wants something, then he may or may not think to look at Galleries, but i would bet his first port of call is ebay or friends of friends. Now these earlier mentioned dodgy sorts would think nothing of sticking one of your prints onto board and framing it to flog to Joe, if you think not then thats a little bit naive IMO, Joe thinks hes got a Banksy including a frame!.
Just a scenario WCP but I would bet it will happen.
I hear you but I was aware of Westcountryprince's stuff.If I was a newbie maybe I hadn't open the frame to check it out.If he wants to sell good quality copy why he doesn't put the stamp on the front instead of the back to avoid any scam? Who in their right mind buys and original in a frame The thing is WCP, there are some dodgy sorts out there as well you know, also in the past 6 months or so of Banksy hype and media reports the average 'not very clued up Joe public' has been spurred on to find something by Banksy, now he doesnt know anything about PC / POW or any of that malarkey, he just wants something, then he may or may not think to look at Galleries, but i would bet his first port of call is ebay or friends of friends. Now these earlier mentioned dodgy sorts would think nothing of sticking one of your prints onto board and framing it to flog to Joe, if you think not then thats a little bit naive IMO, Joe thinks hes got a Banksy including a frame!. Just a scenario WCP but I would bet it will happen.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:02:55 GMT 1, He won't sort it as if they do they won't sell these copies. It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish Shame on me?
So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's not going to stop them being sold. If you don't agree with the production of these pieces then your free to post on these threads and put your point of view. Your posts are a warning to others not to buy them? So if all threads about these prints were removed how would anyone ever know? How would you even know if these were official prints or not if you had not seen it on a thread here in the first place?
He won't sort it as if they do they won't sell these copies. It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish Shame on me? So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's not going to stop them being sold. If you don't agree with the production of these pieces then your free to post on these threads and put your point of view. Your posts are a warning to others not to buy them? So if all threads about these prints were removed how would anyone ever know? How would you even know if these were official prints or not if you had not seen it on a thread here in the first place?
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Art Wanted, by Feral Things on Jun 4, 2014 19:19:02 GMT 1, It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's quite clearly not what johnnyh is suggesting. Johnny is saying that WCP shouldn't be given the opportunity promote his plagiarised wares on the forum, not that people shouldn't be able to flag up the dangers of these prints.
It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's quite clearly not what johnnyh is suggesting. Johnny is saying that WCP shouldn't be given the opportunity promote his plagiarised wares on the forum, not that people shouldn't be able to flag up the dangers of these prints.
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 19:23:51 GMT 1, He won't sort it as if they do they won't sell these copies. It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish Shame on me? So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's not going to stop them being sold. If you don't agree with the production of these pieces then your free to post on these threads and put your point of view. Your posts are a warning to others not to buy them? So if all threads about these prints were removed how would anyone ever know? How would you even know if these were official prints or not if you had not seen it on a thread here in the first place? The posts are used to promote forgeries Daniel. Are you serious you support their promotion on the forum in that we gain knowledge from it. That being the case why do you not support ebay links so people can buy all the other copies available. people know what they are. This is not knowledge this thread is about the latest release. This is not a genuine member discussing these copies/forgeries this is an advert for the latest release. It's not a discussion on the concept its a promotion tool for the sales of forgeries. They must laugh all the way to the bank for your support.
He won't sort it as if they do they won't sell these copies. It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish Shame on me? So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's not going to stop them being sold. If you don't agree with the production of these pieces then your free to post on these threads and put your point of view. Your posts are a warning to others not to buy them? So if all threads about these prints were removed how would anyone ever know? How would you even know if these were official prints or not if you had not seen it on a thread here in the first place? The posts are used to promote forgeries Daniel. Are you serious you support their promotion on the forum in that we gain knowledge from it. That being the case why do you not support ebay links so people can buy all the other copies available. people know what they are. This is not knowledge this thread is about the latest release. This is not a genuine member discussing these copies/forgeries this is an advert for the latest release. It's not a discussion on the concept its a promotion tool for the sales of forgeries. They must laugh all the way to the bank for your support.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:29:22 GMT 1, It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's quite clearly not what johnnyh is suggesting. Johnny is saying that WCP shouldn't be given the opportunity promote his plagiarised wares on the forum, not that people shouldn't be able to flag up the dangers of these prints. I think it's better for all involved to be given the opportunity to comment and defend what they are doing and their views for a balanced and adult discussion.
It's just the lowest form of plagiarism. Shame on Silky and the forum for allowing them as members and to promote this rubbish So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's quite clearly not what johnnyh is suggesting. Johnny is saying that WCP shouldn't be given the opportunity promote his plagiarised wares on the forum, not that people shouldn't be able to flag up the dangers of these prints. I think it's better for all involved to be given the opportunity to comment and defend what they are doing and their views for a balanced and adult discussion.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:32:07 GMT 1, what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum?
what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum?
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:32:33 GMT 1, Shame on me? So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's not going to stop them being sold. If you don't agree with the production of these pieces then your free to post on these threads and put your point of view. Your posts are a warning to others not to buy them? So if all threads about these prints were removed how would anyone ever know? How would you even know if these were official prints or not if you had not seen it on a thread here in the first place? The posts are used to promote forgeries Daniel. Are you serious you support their promotion on the forum in that we gain knowledge from it. That being the case why do you not support ebay links so people can buy all the other copies available. people know what they are. This is not knowledge this thread is about the latest release. This is not a genuine member discussing these copies/forgeries this is an advert for the latest release. It's not a discussion on the concept its a promotion tool for the sales of forgeries. They must laugh all the way to the bank for your support. I'm not supporting anyone. They are fully responsible for what they do, and you are responsible for what you do! Just coz you or they post here does not make this forum responsible.
Shame on me? So you suggest we should all not be allowed to talk about these prints? That's not going to stop them being sold. If you don't agree with the production of these pieces then your free to post on these threads and put your point of view. Your posts are a warning to others not to buy them? So if all threads about these prints were removed how would anyone ever know? How would you even know if these were official prints or not if you had not seen it on a thread here in the first place? The posts are used to promote forgeries Daniel. Are you serious you support their promotion on the forum in that we gain knowledge from it. That being the case why do you not support ebay links so people can buy all the other copies available. people know what they are. This is not knowledge this thread is about the latest release. This is not a genuine member discussing these copies/forgeries this is an advert for the latest release. It's not a discussion on the concept its a promotion tool for the sales of forgeries. They must laugh all the way to the bank for your support. I'm not supporting anyone. They are fully responsible for what they do, and you are responsible for what you do! Just coz you or they post here does not make this forum responsible.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:34:17 GMT 1, what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum?
I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet.
what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:36:12 GMT 1, what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. okay so you think they shouldn't be produced..that begs the question are you happy to allow the promotion of said prints here?
what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. okay so you think they shouldn't be produced..that begs the question are you happy to allow the promotion of said prints here?
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 19:37:44 GMT 1, Sorry Daniel but the forum is responsible for allowing the promotion of copies/forgeries as the forum is aware of what they are and what that member is selling. This is not a one off but a regular occasion with every promoted release
Sorry Daniel but the forum is responsible for allowing the promotion of copies/forgeries as the forum is aware of what they are and what that member is selling. This is not a one off but a regular occasion with every promoted release
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:37:54 GMT 1, what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. He's busy silky, building summat, shed or garden room (whatever that is?).
Says hello, likes your new haircut.
what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. He's busy silky, building summat, shed or garden room (whatever that is?). Says hello, likes your new haircut.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:40:11 GMT 1, I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. okay so you think they shouldn't be produced..that begs the question are you happy to allow the promotion of said prints here? Maybe they intended it to be promotion, but the thread is a warning to others that they are not genuine Banksy prints, so stands as as a negative for them more than a positive don't you think?
I think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. okay so you think they shouldn't be produced..that begs the question are you happy to allow the promotion of said prints here? Maybe they intended it to be promotion, but the thread is a warning to others that they are not genuine Banksy prints, so stands as as a negative for them more than a positive don't you think?
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:41:23 GMT 1, okay so you think they shouldn't be produced..that begs the question are you happy to allow the promotion of said prints here? Maybe they intended it to be promotion, but the thread is a warning to others that they are not genuine Banksy prints, so stands as as a negative for them more than a positive don't you think? I hope so, but it happens regularly here.
okay so you think they shouldn't be produced..that begs the question are you happy to allow the promotion of said prints here? Maybe they intended it to be promotion, but the thread is a warning to others that they are not genuine Banksy prints, so stands as as a negative for them more than a positive don't you think? I hope so, but it happens regularly here.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:42:18 GMT 1, Sorry Daniel but the forum is responsible for allowing the promotion of copies/forgeries as the forum is aware of what they are and what that member is selling. This is not a one off but a regular occasion with every promoted release And the forum gives you the freedom to post your opinion and continue warning others about the forgeries.
Sorry Daniel but the forum is responsible for allowing the promotion of copies/forgeries as the forum is aware of what they are and what that member is selling. This is not a one off but a regular occasion with every promoted release And the forum gives you the freedom to post your opinion and continue warning others about the forgeries.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:44:20 GMT 1, Banksy is the only one who can stop these pieces being released, so if you have complaints you should contact him.
Banksy is the only one who can stop these pieces being released, so if you have complaints you should contact him.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:44:59 GMT 1, what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum?
What about backdoor prints? Are they OK?
what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? What about backdoor prints? Are they OK?
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 19:47:14 GMT 1, what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? That is a problem involving the production of genuine Banksy prints, so again it's something Banksy himself would need to decide on a solution.
what's your opinion on fakes Silky? Are you happy to allow the promotion of prints, that steal images from the founding inspiration of this forum? What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? That is a problem involving the production of genuine Banksy prints, so again it's something Banksy himself would need to decide on a solution.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:48:26 GMT 1, What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? They are in my book, any other Artist would call them APs.
Depends who you get them from though.
What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? They are in my book, any other Artist would call them APs. Depends who you get them from though.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:50:28 GMT 1, What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? That is a problem involving the production of genuine Banksy prints, so again it's something Banksy himself would need to decide on a solution.
Totally agree - but seems like they are ok to discuss/trade here tho.
What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? That is a problem involving the production of genuine Banksy prints, so again it's something Banksy himself would need to decide on a solution. Totally agree - but seems like they are ok to discuss/trade here tho.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 19:55:05 GMT 1, What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? They are in my book, any other Artist would call them APs. Depends who you get them from though.
i wont ask where you got yours from sir wiz
What about backdoor prints? Are they OK? They are in my book, any other Artist would call them APs. Depends who you get them from though. i wont ask where you got yours from sir wiz
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 19:57:23 GMT 1, Sorry Daniel but the forum is responsible for allowing the promotion of copies/forgeries as the forum is aware of what they are and what that member is selling. This is not a one off but a regular occasion with every promoted release And the forum gives you the freedom to post your opinion and continue warning others about the forgeries. But they are not selling opinions they are selling copies / forgeries.
this is not a row with you Daniel I just think as can be seen from this thread and not just me that members would rather that these forgeries were not being directly promoted on. The forum. We are not complaining that some members buy them etc that their business, it's not about people discussing them or similar work or forgeries on eBay etc. your own comment which is right..think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet.
However to do that he has to give up his anonymity which he obviously does not want to do and take a court case etc. but your statement above suggest you also think that the concept is wrong. so that's the problem for most of us we just think it's wrong for an art forum to be a place to promote these forgeries as it also helps to legitimise them. Which I personally believe is wrong
Sorry Daniel but the forum is responsible for allowing the promotion of copies/forgeries as the forum is aware of what they are and what that member is selling. This is not a one off but a regular occasion with every promoted release And the forum gives you the freedom to post your opinion and continue warning others about the forgeries. But they are not selling opinions they are selling copies / forgeries. this is not a row with you Daniel I just think as can be seen from this thread and not just me that members would rather that these forgeries were not being directly promoted on. The forum. We are not complaining that some members buy them etc that their business, it's not about people discussing them or similar work or forgeries on eBay etc. your own comment which is right..think Banksy should be stopping them being produced, and I'm confused why he hasn't done anything yet. However to do that he has to give up his anonymity which he obviously does not want to do and take a court case etc. but your statement above suggest you also think that the concept is wrong. so that's the problem for most of us we just think it's wrong for an art forum to be a place to promote these forgeries as it also helps to legitimise them. Which I personally believe is wrong
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 20:12:38 GMT 1, You can also buy fake Banksy pictures in most local high streets.
You can also buy fake Banksy pictures in most local high streets.
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