johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 20:19:08 GMT 1, You can also buy fake Banksy pictures in most local high streets. That's correct Daniel. But this is supposed to be "The Urban Art Association" not the "Pound Shop"!!!
You can also buy fake Banksy pictures in most local high streets. That's correct Daniel. But this is supposed to be "The Urban Art Association" not the "Pound Shop"!!!
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 20:19:43 GMT 1, You can buy fake Banksy pictures on Ebay, in Auctions and in hundreds of shops and galleries across the World with no warning or opportunity for you to warn others. On this forum you are given the freedom and opportunity to warn others.
Only Banksy can stop them being produced.
You can buy fake Banksy pictures on Ebay, in Auctions and in hundreds of shops and galleries across the World with no warning or opportunity for you to warn others. On this forum you are given the freedom and opportunity to warn others.
Only Banksy can stop them being produced.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 4, 2014 20:31:56 GMT 1, That's correct Daniel. But this is supposed to be "The Urban Art Association" not the "Pound Shop"!!! Is not urban art suppose to be near a pound? Beeing here on this lovely forum for two weeks I sadly noticed that this is closer to fine art etablisement. It's fine. But don't pretend this beeing something else. It is a mega money industri. And who is in charge? Art lovers and people on the streets? I don't mean to be rude and I've had to say this a good few times over the years, but the last time that point was relevant was 2006/07, urban art isn't about the streets, it's not about art for everyone, it's about money, it's about consumption, it's about quick fixes, it's not about the message or the reason, more's the pity.
That's correct Daniel. But this is supposed to be "The Urban Art Association" not the "Pound Shop"!!! Is not urban art suppose to be near a pound? Beeing here on this lovely forum for two weeks I sadly noticed that this is closer to fine art etablisement. It's fine. But don't pretend this beeing something else. It is a mega money industri. And who is in charge? Art lovers and people on the streets? I don't mean to be rude and I've had to say this a good few times over the years, but the last time that point was relevant was 2006/07, urban art isn't about the streets, it's not about art for everyone, it's about money, it's about consumption, it's about quick fixes, it's not about the message or the reason, more's the pity.
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Art Wanted, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2014 20:35:30 GMT 1, People seem to be suggesting that Banksy is not able to legally defend the copyright of his images. I don't know if that's true or not, but haven't we already seen people charged for producing and selling fake Banksy print? So why is this case different.
People seem to be suggesting that Banksy is not able to legally defend the copyright of his images. I don't know if that's true or not, but haven't we already seen people charged for producing and selling fake Banksy print? So why is this case different.
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johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 20:42:44 GMT 1, Nordic your completely missing the point. Forgeries are nothing todo with urban art or Contempoary art. They are produced and sold against the wishes of the artists who produce the work.
If Banksy wanted to sell his images to IKEA or WCP he would. He decides not to that is his right as an artist. What people re sell his art for is not his business either. That's just life. Forgeries exist every one knows it especially with Banksy. That is fine; go to Camden, eBay or the high street there's loads of it. If you want to buy it buy it that's everyone's choice I have no problem with it. Do not agree with it but what you or someone else does is none of my business. Just do not think the forum should openly allow copies/forgeries to be promoted on the forum.
Nordic your completely missing the point. Forgeries are nothing todo with urban art or Contempoary art. They are produced and sold against the wishes of the artists who produce the work.
If Banksy wanted to sell his images to IKEA or WCP he would. He decides not to that is his right as an artist. What people re sell his art for is not his business either. That's just life. Forgeries exist every one knows it especially with Banksy. That is fine; go to Camden, eBay or the high street there's loads of it. If you want to buy it buy it that's everyone's choice I have no problem with it. Do not agree with it but what you or someone else does is none of my business. Just do not think the forum should openly allow copies/forgeries to be promoted on the forum.
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johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 21:51:15 GMT 1, Nordic it's a great argument that I am trying to protect an investment but assure you I am not.
These forgeries do not affect the prices of legitimate works anyway. As has been mentioned countless times it is about the promotion of forgeries on the forum. Prices have actually gone up rapidly for Banksy works while these and other fakes have been available so you could argue that they have increased the investment value by being available. Eg the want of an original becomes higher.
So the investment argument is irrelevant. Them not being promoted on the forum will not stop them being available so it's affect on them or originals will be irrelevant but morally it is something the forum should not be supporting as it is an art forum and these have nothing to do with art.
Comment previously it about the image..then Banksy tells people to print it off and use it not sell it. Banksy does not support these as in a previous post we asked Pest a control and they said no they do not support copies. So actually we do know the answer to that
Nordic it's a great argument that I am trying to protect an investment but assure you I am not.
These forgeries do not affect the prices of legitimate works anyway. As has been mentioned countless times it is about the promotion of forgeries on the forum. Prices have actually gone up rapidly for Banksy works while these and other fakes have been available so you could argue that they have increased the investment value by being available. Eg the want of an original becomes higher.
So the investment argument is irrelevant. Them not being promoted on the forum will not stop them being available so it's affect on them or originals will be irrelevant but morally it is something the forum should not be supporting as it is an art forum and these have nothing to do with art.
Comment previously it about the image..then Banksy tells people to print it off and use it not sell it. Banksy does not support these as in a previous post we asked Pest a control and they said no they do not support copies. So actually we do know the answer to that
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Art Wanted, by curiousgeorge on Jun 4, 2014 22:05:11 GMT 1, People seem to be suggesting that Banksy is not able to legally defend the copyright of his images. I don't know if that's true or not, but haven't we already seen people charged for producing and selling fake Banksy print? So why is this case different.
Two cases are totally different. Have a think and I'm sure it'll come to you
People seem to be suggesting that Banksy is not able to legally defend the copyright of his images. I don't know if that's true or not, but haven't we already seen people charged for producing and selling fake Banksy print? So why is this case different. Two cases are totally different. Have a think and I'm sure it'll come to you
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Art Wanted, by lha on Jun 4, 2014 22:26:36 GMT 1, Silky, Wiz - great contributions. It's good to hear some sensible debate and opinions re the WCP stuff and I think you've both hit the nail on the head with various comments. Oh - and thanks for the prints WCP, we really couldn't have had the debates without 'em Next.....
Silky, Wiz - great contributions. It's good to hear some sensible debate and opinions re the WCP stuff and I think you've both hit the nail on the head with various comments. Oh - and thanks for the prints WCP, we really couldn't have had the debates without 'em Next.....
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Art Wanted, by lha on Jun 4, 2014 22:33:06 GMT 1, They are in my book, any other Artist would call them APs. Depends who you get them from though. i wont ask where you got yours from sir wiz
Wiz said he got all his backdoor prints from big Geoff - Birmingham Geoff. They've got WCP stamps on 'em though to make 'em seem like fakes. Not sure if it was Geoff or Wiz that stamped them though.
They are in my book, any other Artist would call them APs. Depends who you get them from though. i wont ask where you got yours from sir wiz Wiz said he got all his backdoor prints from big Geoff - Birmingham Geoff. They've got WCP stamps on 'em though to make 'em seem like fakes. Not sure if it was Geoff or Wiz that stamped them though.
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johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 4, 2014 23:55:40 GMT 1, No Nordic read the post. They do not support the sale of copies or fakes. If you want to print a picture and put it on you wall your welcome to. That's what he says. Generous enough if you ask me so if you love the image print it off and there you have it.
true Banksy lover's. Always wondered what a true Banksy lover was thanks for the explanation
You come up withsomething different but just as irrelevant everypost
No Nordic read the post. They do not support the sale of copies or fakes. If you want to print a picture and put it on you wall your welcome to. That's what he says. Generous enough if you ask me so if you love the image print it off and there you have it. true Banksy lover's. Always wondered what a true Banksy lover was thanks for the explanation You come up withsomething different but just as irrelevant everypost
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johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 5, 2014 4:29:09 GMT 1, You carry on pretending to your friends that it's a Banksy on the wall. You keep the WCP laughing at you all the way to the bank. Bet that shit is not on his wall. Poor quality repro's
Good luck to ya.
You carry on pretending to your friends that it's a Banksy on the wall. You keep the WCP laughing at you all the way to the bank. Bet that shit is not on his wall. Poor quality repro's
Good luck to ya.
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Art Wanted, by dueuomo on Jun 5, 2014 6:10:21 GMT 1, They do not support copys? All prints are copys. Reproduction means it is a copy. Every single print is a copy. The only difference with these copys is that these can't be resold. Therefor in my belive these prints are on the walls of true Banksy lovers. such a nonsense!
They do not support copys? All prints are copys. Reproduction means it is a copy. Every single print is a copy. The only difference with these copys is that these can't be resold. Therefor in my belive these prints are on the walls of true Banksy lovers. such a nonsense!
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Art Wanted, by The West Country Prince on Jun 5, 2014 9:05:19 GMT 1, What is it with you kids, ehh.
A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery
the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original
Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals !
What is it with you kids, ehh.
A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery
the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original
Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals !
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Art Wanted, by thisisanton on Jun 5, 2014 15:52:57 GMT 1, Thats it!, Gangsta Badger!. #wheresmebalaclava
Thats it!, Gangsta Badger!. #wheresmebalaclava
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johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 5, 2014 15:59:37 GMT 1, What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! Think you are quite Nieves if you think or believe that. Eg if you sell a copy Louis Viion handbag just because you put copy inside somewhere does not stop it being a fake or illegal. your using a dictionary definition when you might want to look at a more legal definition which would read
Forgery 1. the crime of falsely making or altering a writing or work by which the legal rights or obligations of another person are apparently affected.
What you do is illegal. Yes you have not been brought to book on it but it is illegal. When you take someone else's work without their permission etc.
What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! Think you are quite Nieves if you think or believe that. Eg if you sell a copy Louis Viion handbag just because you put copy inside somewhere does not stop it being a fake or illegal. your using a dictionary definition when you might want to look at a more legal definition which would read Forgery 1. the crime of falsely making or altering a writing or work by which the legal rights or obligations of another person are apparently affected. What you do is illegal. Yes you have not been brought to book on it but it is illegal. When you take someone else's work without their permission etc.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 16:25:38 GMT 1, I love that!. Gangsta Badger
I love that!. Gangsta Badger
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Art Wanted, by curiousgeorge on Jun 5, 2014 17:46:46 GMT 1, What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! Gonna be funny when one of the kids digs deeper to see if you have declared ALL the income on these prints.Ebay feedback suggests you have not. Still, you could always rip off another image to help pay the tax bill
Keep digging!
What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! Gonna be funny when one of the kids digs deeper to see if you have declared ALL the income on these prints.Ebay feedback suggests you have not. Still, you could always rip off another image to help pay the tax bill Keep digging!
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Art Wanted, by The West Country Prince on Jun 9, 2014 13:25:39 GMT 1, What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! Gonna be funny when one of the kids digs deeper to see if you have declared ALL the income on these prints.Ebay feedback suggests you have not. Still, you could always rip off another image to help pay the tax bill Keep digging! Haha - stupid is not our middle name ;-)
What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! Gonna be funny when one of the kids digs deeper to see if you have declared ALL the income on these prints.Ebay feedback suggests you have not. Still, you could always rip off another image to help pay the tax bill Keep digging! Haha - stupid is not our middle name ;-)
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jun 9, 2014 13:30:05 GMT 1, Gonna be funny when one of the kids digs deeper to see if you have declared ALL the income on these prints.Ebay feedback suggests you have not. Still, you could always rip off another image to help pay the tax bill Keep digging! Haha - stupid is not our middle name ;-) You spelt 'Bump' wrong WCP. ^^
Gonna be funny when one of the kids digs deeper to see if you have declared ALL the income on these prints.Ebay feedback suggests you have not. Still, you could always rip off another image to help pay the tax bill Keep digging! Haha - stupid is not our middle name ;-)You spelt 'Bump' wrong WCP. ^^
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Art Wanted, by instein on Jun 12, 2014 19:46:10 GMT 1, I know, I know. Save the criticism.
If anyone wants to get rid of it, hit me up.
I know, I know. Save the criticism.
If anyone wants to get rid of it, hit me up.
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johnnyh
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Art Wanted, by johnnyh on Jun 12, 2014 19:49:42 GMT 1, Not being funny but your in danger of repeating yourself!!!
Not being funny but your in danger of repeating yourself!!!
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Art Wanted, by tab1 on Jun 12, 2014 21:00:30 GMT 1, I know, I know. Save the criticism. If anyone wants to get rid of it, hit me up.
I remember sweet corn big cartel had 1 for ยฃ100 Wcp has done 4 colour ways so far ?
I know, I know. Save the criticism. If anyone wants to get rid of it, hit me up. I remember sweet corn big cartel had 1 for ยฃ100 Wcp has done 4 colour ways so far ?
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Art Wanted, by Sweetcorn on Jun 12, 2014 21:21:38 GMT 1, I know, I know. Save the criticism. If anyone wants to get rid of it, hit me up. I remember sweet corn big cartel had 1 for ยฃ100 Wcp has done 4 colour ways so far ? That sold ages ago.
I know, I know. Save the criticism. If anyone wants to get rid of it, hit me up. I remember sweet corn big cartel had 1 for ยฃ100 Wcp has done 4 colour ways so far ? That sold ages ago.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 2:03:56 GMT 1, What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! How the West Country Prince Fell from the Throne of Fool's Gold (in 8 Glorious Stages!) 1. The West Country Prince sells a canvas or print to a nefarious character. 2. The nefarious character adds a signature/edition number, forges a pest control COA, and sells it on a forum/eBay. 3. Fake Banksy is purchased and in hands of innocent person at an apparent bargain. 4. Innocent person goes to auction house to sell 'real' Banksy. 5. Auction house inspects artwork and COA. 6. Auction house has nefarious character arrested. 7. Auction house has The West Country Prince indicted for facilitating forgery on a global scale; has lengthy trial concerning definition of "to sell as an original" and "the action of forging or producing a copy of a . . . work of art." 8. The West Country Prince is either bankrupt, in jail, or both.
I mean, that whole Warhol/Haring thing is as big a red flag as you can ask for.
Upside? "All you need for a movie is 6 or 8 non-submersible units." -Stanley Kubrick
What is it with you kids, ehh. A reproduction is not a fake or a forgery the action of forging or producing a copy of a document, signature, banknote, or work of art. โข a forged or copied document, signature, banknote, or work of art to sell as an original Thats what a fake or forgery is - these are not sold as originals ! How the West Country Prince Fell from the Throne of Fool's Gold (in 8 Glorious Stages!)
1. The West Country Prince sells a canvas or print to a nefarious character. 2. The nefarious character adds a signature/edition number, forges a pest control COA, and sells it on a forum/eBay. 3. Fake Banksy is purchased and in hands of innocent person at an apparent bargain. 4. Innocent person goes to auction house to sell 'real' Banksy. 5. Auction house inspects artwork and COA. 6. Auction house has nefarious character arrested. 7. Auction house has The West Country Prince indicted for facilitating forgery on a global scale; has lengthy trial concerning definition of "to sell as an original" and "the action of forging or producing a copy of a . . . work of art." 8. The West Country Prince is either bankrupt, in jail, or both. I mean, that whole Warhol/Haring thing is as big a red flag as you can ask for. Upside? "All you need for a movie is 6 or 8 non-submersible units." -Stanley Kubrick
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Art Wanted, by The West Country Prince on Aug 28, 2014 20:16:23 GMT 1,
Girl with
Girl with
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Art Wanted, by londonboy on Aug 29, 2014 4:10:00 GMT 1, I wouldn't mind one of those actually..
And I don't even like GWRB.. Never understood the wankfest about that print..
In b4, But it s women friendly Henri!!!
That s the kind of sh!t I would buy to decorate my niece bedroom..she s 7.
And hopefully girl got taste, Uncle Henry got her one of the don't panic unfolded forgive us our trespassing on her wall when she was 4..
I wouldn't mind one of those actually..
And I don't even like GWRB.. Never understood the wankfest about that print..
In b4, But it s women friendly Henri!!!
That s the kind of sh!t I would buy to decorate my niece bedroom..she s 7.
And hopefully girl got taste, Uncle Henry got her one of the don't panic unfolded forgive us our trespassing on her wall when she was 4..
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Art Wanted, by The West Country Prince on Oct 3, 2014 19:00:58 GMT 1,
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Art Wanted, by WILLYBKLN on Oct 3, 2014 20:01:07 GMT 1, Umm..before you get bashed, lets post some info on what your selling, COA, etc...otherwise your better off flying a kite.
Umm..before you get bashed, lets post some info on what your selling, COA, etc...otherwise your better off flying a kite.
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Art Wanted, by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 20:03:07 GMT 1, My guess is a new batch of WCP copy VLH's?.
My guess is a new batch of WCP copy VLH's?.
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