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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by tuftynuts on Jul 1, 2016 10:48:22 GMT 1, This is a lot better, a lot bigger, a lot more creative and will be a lot cheaper  
That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it.
This is a lot better, a lot bigger, a lot more creative and will be a lot cheaper That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 11:33:56 GMT 1, This is a lot better, a lot bigger, a lot more creative and will be a lot cheaper
This is a lot better, a lot bigger, a lot more creative and will be a lot cheaper If it's another photo shop jobby. It's no better. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Global Art Traders on Jul 1, 2016 12:01:11 GMT 1, PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions.........
PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions.........
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Daniel Silk on Jul 1, 2016 12:19:19 GMT 1, PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions.........
Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print.
Plans for a print release for this image?
PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image? |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Global Art Traders on Jul 1, 2016 12:36:22 GMT 1, PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image?
Rourke has a variety of styles, he is a very talented artist. Yes, we plan to do a special release of this as a print for the members of Global Art Traders. Here is another spray paint on canvas Rourke did for us last year (ed of 7 spray paint on canvas) - we love this style!
PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image? Rourke has a variety of styles, he is a very talented artist. Yes, we plan to do a special release of this as a print for the members of Global Art Traders. Here is another spray paint on canvas Rourke did for us last year (ed of 7 spray paint on canvas) - we love this style! |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Harveyn on Jul 1, 2016 12:36:45 GMT 1, PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Rourke is an extremely talented artist IMO and it annoys me when I see so called artists feeling the need to be so public about works or artists they do not like.
Yes Ploppi you are a member like anyone else and therefore within the rules you are entitled to say what you like but considering you must know how it can be a struggle for some artists a little bit of sensitivity would not be out of place. It does you no favours but then I guess your preference is to be abrasive a fair amount of the time.
Sometimes rather than to be negative or rude its better to not pass comment. Sometimes!!!!
PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Rourke is an extremely talented artist IMO and it annoys me when I see so called artists feeling the need to be so public about works or artists they do not like.
Yes Ploppi you are a member like anyone else and therefore within the rules you are entitled to say what you like but considering you must know how it can be a struggle for some artists a little bit of sensitivity would not be out of place. It does you no favours but then I guess your preference is to be abrasive a fair amount of the time.
Sometimes rather than to be negative or rude its better to not pass comment. Sometimes!!!!
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Daniel Silk on Jul 1, 2016 14:04:06 GMT 1, Brilliant I'm excited to see more work from Rourke in this style.
Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image? Rourke has a variety of styles, he is a very talented artist. Yes, we plan to do a special release of this as a print for the members of Global Art Traders. Here is another spray paint on canvas Rourke did for us last year (ed of 7 spray paint on canvas) - we love this style!
Brilliant I'm excited to see more work from Rourke in this style. Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image? Rourke has a variety of styles, he is a very talented artist. Yes, we plan to do a special release of this as a print for the members of Global Art Traders. Here is another spray paint on canvas Rourke did for us last year (ed of 7 spray paint on canvas) - we love this style! |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Sanscript on Jul 1, 2016 14:06:44 GMT 1, Seeing it in the flesh would be different, once you can see the texture of the spray, and texture of the paper, or if it was painted on a deep edge canvas, it would have a completely different feeling.
This type of image reminds me of 'Silk or Satin' by Bungle. When you actually see the spray painted version in front of you its amazing.....
Seeing it in the flesh would be different, once you can see the texture of the spray, and texture of the paper, or if it was painted on a deep edge canvas, it would have a completely different feeling.
This type of image reminds me of 'Silk or Satin' by Bungle. When you actually see the spray painted version in front of you its amazing.....
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by met on Jul 2, 2016 8:47:45 GMT 1, This is a lot better, a lot bigger, a lot more creative and will be a lot cheaper That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it.
That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market.
There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief.
A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless Warhol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose.
So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called urban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us.
If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Koons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal".
This is a lot better, a lot bigger, a lot more creative and will be a lot cheaper That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it. That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal". |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Zippy on Jul 2, 2016 9:12:16 GMT 1, Seeing it in the flesh would be different, once you can see the texture of the spray, and texture of the paper, or if it was painted on a deep edge canvas, it would have a completely different feeling. This type of image reminds me of 'Silk or Satin' by Bungle. When you actually see the spray painted version in front of you its amazing.....
Are you saying 'bungle' is an artist?
After all those years working together I never knew.
Did Geoffrey know? Perhaps a future show with George?
Rod, jane and freddy could provide the entertainment.
Did you know that matthew corbett was part of the original line up but he left to join the sooty show?
Seeing it in the flesh would be different, once you can see the texture of the spray, and texture of the paper, or if it was painted on a deep edge canvas, it would have a completely different feeling. This type of image reminds me of 'Silk or Satin' by Bungle. When you actually see the spray painted version in front of you its amazing..... Are you saying 'bungle' is an artist? After all those years working together I never knew. Did Geoffrey know? Perhaps a future show with George? Rod, jane and freddy could provide the entertainment. Did you know that matthew corbett was part of the original line up but he left to join the sooty show? |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Sanscript on Jul 5, 2016 12:24:35 GMT 1, Seeing it in the flesh would be different, once you can see the texture of the spray, and texture of the paper, or if it was painted on a deep edge canvas, it would have a completely different feeling. This type of image reminds me of 'Silk or Satin' by Bungle. When you actually see the spray painted version in front of you its amazing..... Are you saying 'bungle' is an artist? After all those years working together I never knew. Did Geoffrey know? Perhaps a future show with George? Rod, jane and freddy could provide the entertainment. Did you know that matthew corbett was part of the original line up but he left to join the sooty show?
Sorry Zippy - I guess its hard to find out this way. All those years working together and Bungle kept it on the down-lo that he was a secret urban artist.
Some believe that it is no accident that Bungle's artist name is a 6 letter word that begins with a B, and others think that he may actually come from Bristol, and that for some unknown reason a few years ago he went and spent a month in New York.
I guess he just keeps things secret. Tricksy.
Seeing it in the flesh would be different, once you can see the texture of the spray, and texture of the paper, or if it was painted on a deep edge canvas, it would have a completely different feeling. This type of image reminds me of 'Silk or Satin' by Bungle. When you actually see the spray painted version in front of you its amazing..... Are you saying 'bungle' is an artist? After all those years working together I never knew. Did Geoffrey know? Perhaps a future show with George? Rod, jane and freddy could provide the entertainment. Did you know that matthew corbett was part of the original line up but he left to join the sooty show? Sorry Zippy - I guess its hard to find out this way. All those years working together and Bungle kept it on the down-lo that he was a secret urban artist. Some believe that it is no accident that Bungle's artist name is a 6 letter word that begins with a B, and others think that he may actually come from Bristol, and that for some unknown reason a few years ago he went and spent a month in New York. I guess he just keeps things secret. Tricksy. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Hairbland on Jul 5, 2016 12:51:48 GMT 1, That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it. That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal".
I'd agree with this. In 2016 one would need a VERY compelling reason to paint Marilyn Monroe. And to do so would in all likelihood not have said art be considered Urban or Street.
Talent or not painting Marilyn in 2016 is about as meaningless a contribution as one could imagine.
I could see a professor in a junior level art class talking about tropes in art and assigning a class to paint Marilyn in their way as an assignment. I am patiently waiting for the street art painting of Marilyn that is half skeleton and innards. Unless that's been done also.
Why no Bridget Bardot?
That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it. That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal". I'd agree with this. In 2016 one would need a VERY compelling reason to paint Marilyn Monroe. And to do so would in all likelihood not have said art be considered Urban or Street. Talent or not painting Marilyn in 2016 is about as meaningless a contribution as one could imagine. I could see a professor in a junior level art class talking about tropes in art and assigning a class to paint Marilyn in their way as an assignment. I am patiently waiting for the street art painting of Marilyn that is half skeleton and innards. Unless that's been done also. Why no Bridget Bardot? |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Reader on Jul 5, 2016 13:02:10 GMT 1, That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal". I'd agree with this. In 2016 one would need a VERY compelling reason to paint Marilyn Monroe. And to do so would in all likelihood not have said art be considered Urban or Street. Talent or not painting Marilyn in 2016 is about as meaningless a contribution as one could imagine. I could see a professor in a junior level art class talking about tropes in art and assigning a class to paint Marilyn in their way as an assignment. I am patiently waiting for the street art painting of Marilyn that is half skeleton and innards. Unless that's been done also. Why no Bridget Bardot?
Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ?
That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal". I'd agree with this. In 2016 one would need a VERY compelling reason to paint Marilyn Monroe. And to do so would in all likelihood not have said art be considered Urban or Street. Talent or not painting Marilyn in 2016 is about as meaningless a contribution as one could imagine. I could see a professor in a junior level art class talking about tropes in art and assigning a class to paint Marilyn in their way as an assignment. I am patiently waiting for the street art painting of Marilyn that is half skeleton and innards. Unless that's been done also. Why no Bridget Bardot? I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ? |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 13:20:36 GMT 1, PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions.........
If you had said it was by Rourke I would have known it was done by the artists hand. I like Rourkes art and he is a great artist.
PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... I said "if" so was not jumping to conclusions and thats because you posted the image in the Brainwash Marilyn thread without mentioning who the artist was. If you had said it was by Rourke I would have known it was done by the artists hand. I like Rourkes art and he is a great artist. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 13:32:06 GMT 1, PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Rourke is an extremely talented artist IMO and it annoys me when I see so called artists feeling the need to be so public about works or artists they do not like.
Yes Ploppi you are a member like anyone else and therefore within the rules you are entitled to say what you like but considering you must know how it can be a struggle for some artists a little bit of sensitivity would not be out of place. It does you no favours but then I guess your preference is to be abrasive a fair amount of the time.
Sometimes rather than to be negative or rude its better to not pass comment. Sometimes!!!!
I agree about Rourkes talent.
In some ways galleries and artists should explain the process they use to create the finished work.
There are a lot of galleries selling art which is made by cutting stencils from printed out photos and also selling screenprints produced by just altering photos in photoshop.
Then there are artists who hand draw everything and make stencils from their original drawings etc.
It can get confusing when galleries just post images without naming the artist.
PLOPPI - It is actually a spray paint on canvas by Rourke Van Dal - so please don't jump to conclusions......... Rourke is an extremely talented artist IMO and it annoys me when I see so called artists feeling the need to be so public about works or artists they do not like.
Yes Ploppi you are a member like anyone else and therefore within the rules you are entitled to say what you like but considering you must know how it can be a struggle for some artists a little bit of sensitivity would not be out of place. It does you no favours but then I guess your preference is to be abrasive a fair amount of the time.
Sometimes rather than to be negative or rude its better to not pass comment. Sometimes!!!!
I wasn't criticising Rourke. The photo was posted without reference to any artist by a gallery and I said "if" it's another photo shop jobby. I agree about Rourkes talent. In some ways galleries and artists should explain the process they use to create the finished work. There are a lot of galleries selling art which is made by cutting stencils from printed out photos and also selling screenprints produced by just altering photos in photoshop. Then there are artists who hand draw everything and make stencils from their original drawings etc. It can get confusing when galleries just post images without naming the artist. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Hairbland on Jul 5, 2016 15:40:51 GMT 1, I'd agree with this. In 2016 one would need a VERY compelling reason to paint Marilyn Monroe. And to do so would in all likelihood not have said art be considered Urban or Street. Talent or not painting Marilyn in 2016 is about as meaningless a contribution as one could imagine. I could see a professor in a junior level art class talking about tropes in art and assigning a class to paint Marilyn in their way as an assignment. I am patiently waiting for the street art painting of Marilyn that is half skeleton and innards. Unless that's been done also. Why no Bridget Bardot? I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ?
Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result.
I'd agree with this. In 2016 one would need a VERY compelling reason to paint Marilyn Monroe. And to do so would in all likelihood not have said art be considered Urban or Street. Talent or not painting Marilyn in 2016 is about as meaningless a contribution as one could imagine. I could see a professor in a junior level art class talking about tropes in art and assigning a class to paint Marilyn in their way as an assignment. I am patiently waiting for the street art painting of Marilyn that is half skeleton and innards. Unless that's been done also. Why no Bridget Bardot? I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ? Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Reader on Jul 5, 2016 16:48:21 GMT 1, I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ? Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result.
Imagine the basic chair, four legs a back and a seat.. that's the Marilyn, hair, lips, eyes, background. Now try your hand at it. I think it's an interesting challange for an artist.
I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ? Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result. Imagine the basic chair, four legs a back and a seat.. that's the Marilyn, hair, lips, eyes, background. Now try your hand at it. I think it's an interesting challange for an artist. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by puddleduck on Jul 5, 2016 17:38:07 GMT 1, @ Ploppi
Sorry dude, have to call you out on this:
1) "If it's another photo shop jobby. It's no better."
You added the "if" to your comment, it was not there originally.
2) How can you like a post saying people need to have a compelling reason to "do" a Marilyn nowadays when yesterday you posted a, ahem, piece of 'art" that you daubed of Marilyn.
You are inconsistent at best and, at worst, who knows what...
@ Ploppi
Sorry dude, have to call you out on this:
1) "If it's another photo shop jobby. It's no better."
You added the "if" to your comment, it was not there originally.
2) How can you like a post saying people need to have a compelling reason to "do" a Marilyn nowadays when yesterday you posted a, ahem, piece of 'art" that you daubed of Marilyn.
You are inconsistent at best and, at worst, who knows what...
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 17:40:45 GMT 1, I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ? Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result.
There have been other iconic beauties such as Louise Brooks etc.
Marilyn is the most famous and I see nothing wrong with painting or drawing her portrait. I'd imagine a lot of artists fancy having a go at Marilyn.
I'd see it more akin to Architect's tackling a chair. Mies van der Rohe, Le Corbusier, Marcel Breuer, Alvar Aalto, and Eero Saarinen, to name just a few. All just meaningless "chairs" to some, in the same way that "Marilyn's", are just meaningless in 2016, a "crying" Marilyn in 2016 is a very different thing from a Warhol or Banksy no ? Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result. I sometimes think that galleries advise artists as to what subject will be more saleable globally to the galleries clients. There have been other iconic beauties such as Louise Brooks etc. Marilyn is the most famous and I see nothing wrong with painting or drawing her portrait. I'd imagine a lot of artists fancy having a go at Marilyn. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by tuftynuts on Jul 5, 2016 19:20:18 GMT 1, That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it. That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal".
That's lovely - are you an artist? If not you should be, well if not an artist, a graphic designer. You'd smash it. That might be part of some critique on the overuse of imagery by creatives who produce work in response to the market. There are plenty who react to what is popular with the general public at a given moment — which is a mindset less of an artist than of an illustrator or graphic designer fulfilling a client brief. A perfect example is choice of subject matter. Especially the zombie-like reliance on pop culture figures like Marilyn Monroe, Kate Moss, and other famous, attractive individuals who've taken on iconic status. Or the endless War hol and Basquiat references, the never-ending Star Wars references, and other clichés that are not merely tired, but comatose. So the wider theme could relate to the law of diminishing returns, or ever-decreasing circles in the world of so-called ur ban art. In which case, the painting may be intentionally decorative and unoriginal — a Trojan horse, if you will, a subversive comment on the oppressive ubiquity of all the decorative and unoriginal art that surrounds us. If the above speculation is correct, then in spirit this painting approaches concepts explored by Jeff Koons over previous decades. With his Banality series in particular, Ko ons acted as cheerleader and "propagator of the banal". That's fantastic. You should be an artist, or failing that, a failed-artist-turned-art-critic. You'd smash it. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by tuftynuts on Jul 5, 2016 19:22:31 GMT 1, Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image? Rourke has a variety of styles, he is a very talented artist. Yes, we plan to do a special release of this as a print for the members of Global Art Traders. Here is another spray paint on canvas Rourke did for us last year (ed of 7 spray paint on canvas) - we love this style!
Thank the Lord for photoshop, that's all I can say. Without it the art world would be a much less crowded place.
Well that's great news Looks like Rourke might be moving back to his original style this might make a nice print. Plans for a print release for this image? Rourke has a variety of styles, he is a very talented artist. Yes, we plan to do a special release of this as a print for the members of Global Art Traders. Here is another spray paint on canvas Rourke did for us last year (ed of 7 spray paint on canvas) - we love this style! Thank the Lord for photoshop, that's all I can say. Without it the art world would be a much less crowded place. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 21:25:47 GMT 1, @ Ploppi Sorry dude, have to call you out on this: 1) "If it's another photo shop jobby. It's no better." You added the "if" to your comment, it was not there originally. 2) How can you like a post saying people need to have a compelling reason to "do" a Marilyn nowadays when yesterday you posted a, ahem, piece of 'art" that you daubed of Marilyn. You are inconsistent at best and, at worst, who knows what...
The "if" was there originally.
I was referring to the technique not the subject.
@ Ploppi Sorry dude, have to call you out on this: 1) "If it's another photo shop jobby. It's no better." You added the "if" to your comment, it was not there originally. 2) How can you like a post saying people need to have a compelling reason to "do" a Marilyn nowadays when yesterday you posted a, ahem, piece of 'art" that you daubed of Marilyn. You are inconsistent at best and, at worst, who knows what... Jul 1, 2016 at 12:33pm I said "If it's another photo shop jobby. It's no better."
The "if" was there originally. I was referring to the technique not the subject. |
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Rourke Van Dal - Marilyn Monroe canvas, by Hairbland on Jul 5, 2016 21:40:01 GMT 1, Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result. Imagine the basic chair, four legs a back and a seat.. that's the Marilyn, hair, lips, eyes, background. Now try your hand at it. I think it's an interesting challange for an artist.
No, I think your comparison then works better if you compare "chair" to "female". Much art is done with the female form in mind.
Everyone doing Marilyn, particularly after Warhol, is like cheap copies of an Eames chair, for example. Unless one can make it new and their own. But Marilyn is SO overdone that if one was doing a series of women who led quick exciting lives only to be snuffed out early and for the public to find out they led tortured lives I'd use Edie, Jean (Sebring) and others I'd leave out Marilyn like Ben Eine's W.
All good just different opinions.
Sorry no I don't think this makes any sense as a comparison on many levels. Maybe if you compared a blank canvas to the concept of a chair, and then judged based on the finished result. Imagine the basic chair, four legs a back and a seat.. that's the Marilyn, hair, lips, eyes, background. Now try your hand at it. I think it's an interesting challange for an artist. No, I think your comparison then works better if you compare "chair" to "female". Much art is done with the female form in mind. Everyone doing Marilyn, particularly after Warhol, is like cheap copies of an Eames chair, for example. Unless one can make it new and their own. But Marilyn is SO overdone that if one was doing a series of women who led quick exciting lives only to be snuffed out early and for the public to find out they led tortured lives I'd use Edie, Jean (Sebring) and others I'd leave out Marilyn like Ben Eine's W. All good just different opinions. |
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