Im going to bid on this, and if I end up winning I can guarantee it wont ever be flipped. this is a keeper. Fingers crossed

Given that it now looks almost certain that the first SBFO listed on ebay is going to sell for over £1K, I feel compelled to re-post something I posted in a previous thread. These prices are totally obscene!

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love Chris' work and think he's created some stunning images to date. It's great for him and SOS that things are going so well. Long may it continue!!!!

Though, when you consider what other art you can buy for £1,000+ it kind of puts things into perspective. For that sort of cash you can buy limited edition signed prints from some of the most famous contemporary artists in the world. For the same money you could buy a signed print by Hirst, Emin, Bridget Riley, Gormely, Moore, Hume, the Chapmans, Gilbert & George, Peter Blake or Terry Frost to name but a few. Artists who have been exhibiting for years, who have a long established reputation and whose works hang in the biggest contemporary galleries throughout the world. We often get into the debate about the stability of the market when considering Banksy's work. IMO I don't think it's the Banksy works that you need to worry about so much, it's the smaller artists in the scene that will really struggle if we do see some sort of crash.

If you can get a Beejoir work from the primary source - amazing!!! Though, I'd think long and hard before shelling out £1,000+ for a SBFO or Turin Scam. I know people say they don't care - they just love the images so much. Though unless you have an incredibly high disposable income, you can't buy art at £1K+ without some thought about residual value. Time may prove me wrong and in a few years a SBFO may sell for thousands. Lets hope so! Though that won't change the fact that I think this is crazy!

I really dont understand your point. if you tried to sell me a peter blake ciggerette packet print for £1000 or even £500 i would laugh in your face, they are shit (in my opinion) and i know the guy did sergant peppers, but i dont like his work, it aint worth nothing to me, i wouldnt waste £50 on a tracy emin print, or a or the chapman brothers

Your argument that the prices are obscence just because chris is a new artist is ridiculous, you are also assuming that people are buying for an investment. I have spent 10 grand on Beejoirs work in the last 3 weeks and i absolutely guarantee than none of it will ever see the open market again. For my money i got 2 fucking amazing originals, an edition of 15, an editon of 3, an edition of 10 an edition of 35 and one of 75. And what does it matter if an artist has work hanging in galleries around the world? Does that give them kudos to you? If you had 10 grand to spend and you could either buy the most amazing work of art you had ever seen in your life by someone you had never heard of, or an OK one by an artist who has work in the tate, which one would you pick?

The most sensible way to collect and to buy art is to look at the piece and decide how much you want it, and what you are willing to pay. I do not determine what i am willing to pay by any other standard than how much i want it. I like 21st century love by micallef, but i only like it enough to pay £3000 for it, so now i will never own it, i know that, i accept it. I know i could afford it if i was willing to pay £6000, but im not. You might look at SBFO and think you would pay £200 for it, i happen to think that beejoir is better than any other artist out there at the minute, so i am willing to pay more for it.

I do understand that you said 'unless you have a large disposable income', but surely people who dont have a massive income should think long and hard before spending £1000 on ANY piece of art. But if we must talk about beejoir in terms of investment potential, then i dont think anyone who buys any of his prints for todays prices has anything at all to worry about. These prints are not only super limited, but instant classics. Look at the LV, unsigned edition of 400, already going for over £200, so imagine what they will be worth when he gets a good agent and his popularity explodes.

my two cents

i understand what you are saying, but the world is not made up of good and evil, light and dark, black and white, fans and flippers.

For example, i bought the Ian francis print 'Devouring bunny' because i liked it and it gave me a semi!! I paid £275 from RP gallery, now lets say all of a sudden everyone goes crazy apeshit bonkers for ian francis and his prints are going on ebay for £4000 a pop, then i would sell it in a heart beat, because i could use that £4000 to buy some other stuff i really like

There will be some people who bought this print and now they have seen it going for about a grand will just not be able to resist selling it, its just not worth a grand to them. Obviously there will have been those who sat there all weekend to get one to flip, but you could say that they hung around all weekend so they could make some money and deserve to get one just like everyone else, or maybe they did buy one to sell, but only because there is another print they love which is a grand and they only have £200 in the bank, its a good way to get to the print they love.

then of course there are the guys who specialise in getting every new release just to make money, and yes that isnt a nice thing to do and obviously im no fan of these people, the problem is you cannot just tar everyone who decides to sell this print with the same brush, you cannot know their reasons.

It funny, my respect was 16 yesterday and it has gone down 7 points. that is what happens on here when you express an opinion.

im telling you mate, quite a few of his prints are a turn on!

wise words verbal u hit the nail on the head with many of your points

for my money I'd choose Beejoir's work above all those 'established' artists any day of the week - because his work means more and that at the end of the day is all that matters - my personal taste

flipping / selling on has been gone over many times on this board and it's never as simple as good and evil / right and wrong, many shades of grey ... i totally understand the need to sell to buy, and deciding another piece is of more value

I never thought you had negged me, i dont think you are so childish

I do appreciate what you are saying with buy what you can afford to lose, but everyone is thinking about this the wrong way. Everyone is sayin 'ooooohh when the banksy bubble bursts some people are going to get shafted'. I do not think that any artist within this scene will have their prices go down over any 6 month period. yes you get dips, like adam neates went to £2500, then back down to £1700, now hovering around £2100, but you just watch them piss past the £3000 mark by august, then past £4500 by christmas and £5000 next year at this time, maybe more. Images are definative, people either like them or dont like them, or maybe love them or maybe hate them. But if you like an image now, the chances are you will like it in 20 years time. Art has scenes and trends like anything, but this art scene is comperable to the brit pop scene of the mid 90's, you got your heavyweights like oasis and blur who had long careers (banksy and micallef) you had your pretender to the throne pulp (adam neate) you had the old masters coming back on the scene the stone roses (blek, shephard) then you had loads of smaller bands coming through (gene, sleeper, cast, northern uproar, menswear, shed seven) who releaesed the odd good song, but on the whole were not as good as the bigger bands (bast, mantis, blu, insect)

but then just as the scene was getting a bit samey the verve came along (beejoir) and created a huge buzz again. whenever there is a scene there are a glut of things from that scene. look at the number of new prints released, i mean seriously, how many f**king pictures can you get on your walls? I bet hundreds of people on these forums have scores of prints under their beds that will never get on the walls (i am guilty of that!)

My point is that the big boys of this scene are here to stay (banksy, micallef, adam neate) I just cannot see their prices going down, Some of the artist will fade away, in a few years time you will look at your print collection and think 'i cannot believe i bought that' and you will laugh at yourself, but i just do not see Beejoir in that catagory, I see him being a genuine top 5 artist and a genuine contender for the throne. I dont think you can deny that there is no other artist outside of the big 3 who could release a print and have it selling for almost 1000% more within a week of it going on sale? I think that is pretty unique. Beejoir has proved this week to everyone that he commands a higher price than Dface and mantis and is the one artist from the chasing pack who is going straight into the big leagues

and remember that something is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it

actually, if you are selling at auction you only get one bid more than what the 2nd highest bidder was willing to pay, so you really need 2 people to be willing to spend alot to get a good result.

When beejoirs greed print came on ebay i bid £1001 at the last moment and won it for £514!! I was well pleased cos i really did want that print quite badly. The only problem is that now i feel i am £500 up on what i 'should' have spent, so i tell myself that for the next 'have to have' piece, i can go £500 over budget!! it is nice when you win for less than you bid though

Just out of interest verbalkint where did you buy your 2 originals from? I do hope that everyone that goes to the 'Found' exhibition on the preview night isn't going to be met with a sea of red dots on every painting! How/Why does this happen?

Yeah I hope not as well, I don't expect to be able to afford an original but I'd still like the chance to not buy one ;D

That was a lie ! I never wanked to my *Rush poster, it was the tennis player scratching her ass. !!!

*PS : who are Rush ?

Does Beejoir have a lot of work on the streets ?

Ridiculous price!