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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by discoduster on Jul 22, 2007 20:39:55 GMT 1, If thats the oasis knebworth gig it was first at the gate first into the circle, i know because i was in that circle with a mate. Still got the wrist band and ticket stub somewhere.
Yeah, I heared that after. I had to get a combined tkt/coach affair which didn't exactly arrive early.
But i missed Kula Shaker so can't complain.
If thats the oasis knebworth gig it was first at the gate first into the circle, i know because i was in that circle with a mate. Still got the wrist band and ticket stub somewhere. Yeah, I heared that after. I had to get a combined tkt/coach affair which didn't exactly arrive early. But i missed Kula Shaker so can't complain. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by discoduster on Jul 22, 2007 20:42:48 GMT 1, I wonder if I get my 10th star? or if they start flashing or rotating or something? ;D
I think it resets to zero 
I wonder if I get my 10th star? or if they start flashing or rotating or something? ;D I think it resets to zero |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by wayney on Jul 22, 2007 20:43:14 GMT 1, (golden circle = 2pm sunday - the sabbath - SOS website xx)
(golden circle = 2pm sunday - the sabbath - SOS website xx)
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by chrisps303 on Jul 22, 2007 20:53:41 GMT 1, If thats the oasis knebworth gig it was first at the gate first into the circle, i know because i was in that circle with a mate. Still got the wrist band and ticket stub somewhere. Yeah, I heared that after. I had to get a combined tkt/coach affair which didn't exactly arrive early. But i missed Kula Shaker so can't complain.
Which day did you go?
I was there on the sunday
If thats the oasis knebworth gig it was first at the gate first into the circle, i know because i was in that circle with a mate. Still got the wrist band and ticket stub somewhere. Yeah, I heared that after. I had to get a combined tkt/coach affair which didn't exactly arrive early. But i missed Kula Shaker so can't complain. Which day did you go? I was there on the sunday |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by arcam on Jul 22, 2007 20:57:53 GMT 1, Knebworth 95 (i think) was the first time i encountered a "golden circle" and it put me off huge gigs forever.
I was at that gig as well, like you it was the first time I'd encountered such a thing. I managed to get into a secondary pit, not the one right in front of the stage but the one after. I've still got my wristband somewhere, great day...Prodigy were superb. ;D
Knebworth 95 (i think) was the first time i encountered a "golden circle" and it put me off huge gigs forever. I was at that gig as well, like you it was the first time I'd encountered such a thing. I managed to get into a secondary pit, not the one right in front of the stage but the one after. I've still got my wristband somewhere, great day...Prodigy were superb. ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 21:28:27 GMT 1, kind of torn on this one. i hate u2 with a passion, not because their music is s**t but because they allow those with more money to get closer to the front. my boys, oasis, have one price for all, you get a standing ticket and you're prepared to stand in the rain then you get to the front Knebworth 95 (i think) was the first time i encountered a "golden circle" and it put me off huge gigs forever. I read somewhere that it was only pple who have fixed Noels TV etc that got a ticket for the GC, that really ruined what should have been a historic gig, having to watch it on a delayed video screen next to a bloody burger van.
first come first served DD. i was one of 1.5 million who missed out, i know work with someone who went, got in the circle and had a spare he couldn't give away. to top it all, he's a spurs fan  how we're still mates i'll never know 
kind of torn on this one. i hate u2 with a passion, not because their music is s**t but because they allow those with more money to get closer to the front. my boys, oasis, have one price for all, you get a standing ticket and you're prepared to stand in the rain then you get to the front Knebworth 95 (i think) was the first time i encountered a "golden circle" and it put me off huge gigs forever. I read somewhere that it was only pple who have fixed Noels TV etc that got a ticket for the GC, that really ruined what should have been a historic gig, having to watch it on a delayed video screen next to a bloody burger van. first come first served DD. i was one of 1.5 million who missed out, i know work with someone who went, got in the circle and had a spare he couldn't give away. to top it all, he's a spurs fan how we're still mates i'll never know |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by discoduster on Jul 22, 2007 21:36:40 GMT 1, Knebworth 95 (i think) was the first time i encountered a "golden circle" and it put me off huge gigs forever. I was at that gig as well, like you it was the first time I'd encountered such a thing. I managed to get into a secondary pit, not the one right in front of the stage but the one after. I've still got my wristband somewhere, great day...Prodigy were superb. ;D
Arcam
Didn't they also have one at Metallica at Wembley the other day??
If so, i'm glad I sold my tickets.
I know golden circles are health and safety bollocks but it really feckin ruins it.
Never had any problems at Reading festival without the GC
Knebworth 95 (i think) was the first time i encountered a "golden circle" and it put me off huge gigs forever. I was at that gig as well, like you it was the first time I'd encountered such a thing. I managed to get into a secondary pit, not the one right in front of the stage but the one after. I've still got my wristband somewhere, great day...Prodigy were superb. ;D Arcam Didn't they also have one at Metallica at Wembley the other day?? If so, i'm glad I sold my tickets. I know golden circles are health and safety bollocks but it really feckin ruins it. Never had any problems at Reading festival without the GC |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by arcam on Jul 22, 2007 21:41:57 GMT 1, Arcam Didn't they also have one at Metallica at Wembley the other day?? If so, i'm glad I sold my tickets. I know golden circles are health and safety bollocks but it really feckin ruins it. Never had any problems at Reading festival without the GC
Yeah they had a Golden Circle and it was huge as well and no where near full. So it meant there was quite a big gap. They say it's safety but like you say festivals don't have them with far bigger crowds.
Arcam Didn't they also have one at Metallica at Wembley the other day?? If so, i'm glad I sold my tickets. I know golden circles are health and safety bollocks but it really feckin ruins it. Never had any problems at Reading festival without the GC Yeah they had a Golden Circle and it was huge as well and no where near full. So it meant there was quite a big gap. They say it's safety but like you say festivals don't have them with far bigger crowds. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 21:47:44 GMT 1, as usual the postings quickly go off topic. Mose - I can't believe what you have written.
Please go back and re-read your post.
Do some of you genuinely think it is ok to buy a print with no intention of even taking it out the tube and flogging it before it has even arrived is OK?
Some of the responsed are typical of those who hide behind others. How can any genuine colelctors really think this is acceptable?
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as usual the postings quickly go off topic. Mose - I can't believe what you have written.
Please go back and re-read your post.
Do some of you genuinely think it is ok to buy a print with no intention of even taking it out the tube and flogging it before it has even arrived is OK?
Some of the responsed are typical of those who hide behind others. How can any genuine colelctors really think this is acceptable?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 21:49:23 GMT 1, I am shocked by some of the replies. Do you think it is good to buy a print and sell it before it has even arrived?
this is NOT what this or any other forum should be encouraging.
It is stopping genuine collectors getting what they want.
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I am shocked by some of the replies. Do you think it is good to buy a print and sell it before it has even arrived?
this is NOT what this or any other forum should be encouraging.
It is stopping genuine collectors getting what they want.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 21:54:19 GMT 1, mose this is the part that bothers me the most..... and I quote from your post....
"You stopped a genuine collector getting something he wanted.
Arseholes."
a genuine collector not willing to sacrifice either time or money? real genuine. The person now listing the print is providing the opportunity for someone who really wants it to acquire it, without patience, without the sacrifice of time, etc
You are criticising me over some flipping bagger who had no intention of keeping it and is trying to make a profit against an artist and a charity. That is ok with you? Think again. If these arseholes werent bagging everything they read whislt quietly 'lurking' on forums, you woudl not have to sit on your PC all day hitting F5.
So stop siding with them and think about what you are saying.
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mose this is the part that bothers me the most..... and I quote from your post....
"You stopped a genuine collector getting something he wanted.
Arseholes."
a genuine collector not willing to sacrifice either time or money? real genuine. The person now listing the print is providing the opportunity for someone who really wants it to acquire it, without patience, without the sacrifice of time, etc
You are criticising me over some flipping bagger who had no intention of keeping it and is trying to make a profit against an artist and a charity. That is ok with you? Think again. If these arseholes werent bagging everything they read whislt quietly 'lurking' on forums, you woudl not have to sit on your PC all day hitting F5.
So stop siding with them and think about what you are saying.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 22:01:51 GMT 1, no one should be encouraging it matt but it is the nature of the beast - where there's muck there's brass and all that . i for one do not agree with any of the whole 'i'm alright jack' mentality, that's not to say it doesn't exist and to hope for a situation where it can't exist is a little niave.
as long as there is a corn to be earned there will be hangers on, the same can be said in all walks, i'll never condone it but i can see it and can understand why someone would want to cut and run.
always two sides, that's one lesson in life i know all too well, even if you don't agree it's important to see both sides of the coin. i find it hard to to see and hard to understand that anyone on this or any other forum would condone such actions, least of all in public, maybe i'm missing the point?
no one should be encouraging it matt but it is the nature of the beast - where there's muck there's brass and all that . i for one do not agree with any of the whole 'i'm alright jack' mentality, that's not to say it doesn't exist and to hope for a situation where it can't exist is a little niave. as long as there is a corn to be earned there will be hangers on, the same can be said in all walks, i'll never condone it but i can see it and can understand why someone would want to cut and run. always two sides, that's one lesson in life i know all too well, even if you don't agree it's important to see both sides of the coin. i find it hard to to see and hard to understand that anyone on this or any other forum would condone such actions, least of all in public, maybe i'm missing the point? |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by mose on Jul 22, 2007 22:03:38 GMT 1, No ! The person who has put in the time to buy this print and is now immediately offering it on EBay is not "providing an opportunity" but hoping to increase his/her bank balance considerably. That was their original aim - like a ticket tout who has no interest in the band. There is a great deal of this discussed in financial terms on this site (ie: Get Your Banksy's Out for The Lads .... How Much Are My trophies Worth ?) - all of this has nothing to do with art .... and now you are mocking someone who genuinely wanted some of that art, but for one reason or another failed to take a possible 4-5 days off to stare at internet-land ..... it feels a bit elitist ....
lol.
1. The person offering the one on ebay is providing a golden opportunity for anyone out there who truly wants this piece. How would all those that want a SBFO on diners feel if everyone who purchased one decided to keep it forever. Then they'd never get, what is that, another opportunity.
2. If a person wants to sacrifice time for compensation, god bless 'em. We do it every day going to our jobs. Doesn't make us sad feckers, does it?
3. I like ticket touts. When I was younger and didn't have a family, I would stand in line at 11:00 PM for ticketmaster to open at 9:00 AM in order to get tickets to my favorite bands. Traded time for what I wanted. Now that I am older, and free time is more scarce and valuable, I freely give touts my money in order to obtain tickets that I really want.
4. Art has everything to do with money. Pull your head out of the sand. If you are looking for something 'pure' and untainted by commerce, look elsewhere. And tell me when you find it, because I never have.
5. No, I am mocking(perhaps too harsh a word, teasing may be more appropriate) someone who says they want something and isn't willing to sacrifice to achieve it. That mentality irks me to no end. If you won't sacrifice, you didn't really want it. Elitist? No. What is more elitist than expecting to obtain something without sacrifice, feeling you are entitled to something because you want it, etc.?
No ! The person who has put in the time to buy this print and is now immediately offering it on EBay is not "providing an opportunity" but hoping to increase his/her bank balance considerably. That was their original aim - like a ticket tout who has no interest in the band. There is a great deal of this discussed in financial terms on this site (ie: Get Your Banksy's Out for The Lads .... How Much Are My trophies Worth ?) - all of this has nothing to do with art .... and now you are mocking someone who genuinely wanted some of that art, but for one reason or another failed to take a possible 4-5 days off to stare at internet-land ..... it feels a bit elitist .... lol. 1. The person offering the one on ebay is providing a golden opportunity for anyone out there who truly wants this piece. How would all those that want a SBFO on diners feel if everyone who purchased one decided to keep it forever. Then they'd never get, what is that, another opportunity. 2. If a person wants to sacrifice time for compensation, god bless 'em. We do it every day going to our jobs. Doesn't make us sad feckers, does it? 3. I like ticket touts. When I was younger and didn't have a family, I would stand in line at 11:00 PM for ticketmaster to open at 9:00 AM in order to get tickets to my favorite bands. Traded time for what I wanted. Now that I am older, and free time is more scarce and valuable, I freely give touts my money in order to obtain tickets that I really want. 4. Art has everything to do with money. Pull your head out of the sand. If you are looking for something 'pure' and untainted by commerce, look elsewhere. And tell me when you find it, because I never have. 5. No, I am mocking(perhaps too harsh a word, teasing may be more appropriate) someone who says they want something and isn't willing to sacrifice to achieve it. That mentality irks me to no end. If you won't sacrifice, you didn't really want it. Elitist? No. What is more elitist than expecting to obtain something without sacrifice, feeling you are entitled to something because you want it, etc.? |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 22:05:33 GMT 1, exactly. tom, you and I have had our differences!
But for Mose to actually think its ok is out of order in my book.
Of course I'm aware of it and have to try to keep ahead fo the game to get what I want.
How can mose think this scumbag is 'providing an opportunity' - unreal.
But then you agree and say...
"i find it hard to to see and hard to understand that anyone on this or any other forum would condone such actions, least of all in public"
So i'll shut up as we obviously agree on something!!
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exactly. tom, you and I have had our differences!
But for Mose to actually think its ok is out of order in my book.
Of course I'm aware of it and have to try to keep ahead fo the game to get what I want.
How can mose think this scumbag is 'providing an opportunity' - unreal.
But then you agree and say...
"i find it hard to to see and hard to understand that anyone on this or any other forum would condone such actions, least of all in public"
So i'll shut up as we obviously agree on something!!
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 22:06:07 GMT 1, just seen your last post. agreed: if there weren't as many baggers maybe people wouldn't have to give up so much time to get what they want. very idealistic but i do agree. sadly the rot has set in and no amount of disausion will change that.
just seen your last post. agreed: if there weren't as many baggers maybe people wouldn't have to give up so much time to get what they want. very idealistic but i do agree. sadly the rot has set in and no amount of disausion will change that.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 22:08:34 GMT 1, Mose - you actually like ticket touts?
Mose - you actually like ticket touts?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 22:11:16 GMT 1, exactly. tom, you and I have had our differences! But for Mose to actually think its ok is out of order in my book. Of course I'm aware of it and have to try to keep ahead fo the game to get what I want. How can mose think this scumbag is 'providing an opportunity' - unreal. But then you agree and say... "i find it hard to to see and hard to understand that anyone on this or any other forum would condone such actions, least of all in public" So i'll shut up as we obviously agree on something!! Z
i think we agree on a lot matt, i also think a lot of people,maybe even myself, feel tht because something has become intrinsic then it is set in stone. foxhunting, incest and a lack of indoor plumbing were cornerstones of british society for centuries before people stood up and said 'no more'.
good on people like yourselves for having a go against what you see as an injustice, i'm slightly apathetic (my wife says just pathetic) but you have to start somewhere.
exactly. tom, you and I have had our differences! But for Mose to actually think its ok is out of order in my book. Of course I'm aware of it and have to try to keep ahead fo the game to get what I want. How can mose think this scumbag is 'providing an opportunity' - unreal. But then you agree and say... "i find it hard to to see and hard to understand that anyone on this or any other forum would condone such actions, least of all in public" So i'll shut up as we obviously agree on something!! Z i think we agree on a lot matt, i also think a lot of people,maybe even myself, feel tht because something has become intrinsic then it is set in stone. foxhunting, incest and a lack of indoor plumbing were cornerstones of british society for centuries before people stood up and said 'no more'. good on people like yourselves for having a go against what you see as an injustice, i'm slightly apathetic (my wife says just pathetic) but you have to start somewhere. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by discoduster on Jul 22, 2007 22:13:19 GMT 1, Mose- I was with you until you said you liked ticket touts
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by mose on Jul 22, 2007 22:21:18 GMT 1, Mose - you actually like ticket touts?
Absolutely.
Here's the thing, if it weren't for touts, tickets would all sell to fans that have access to purchase them when they go on sale. I am not naive enough to think that I will always be among that number of fans who had the timing and good fortune to nab tickets. Sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you just ain't.
Well those fans that were fortunate enough to pick up tickets would then go to the show and not sell their tickets to others. That leaves me sitting at home listening to a CD wishing I was at the show because I have no way of obtaining a ticket.
With touts buying a percentage of tickets, I know I always have an avenue I can explore in order to get what I want - a ticket to the show. So it costs me a bit more than 'face value', so what? I personally find the value of attending the show to be greater than face value. I find it to be what, in the end, I am willing to pay.
Mose - you actually like ticket touts? Absolutely. Here's the thing, if it weren't for touts, tickets would all sell to fans that have access to purchase them when they go on sale. I am not naive enough to think that I will always be among that number of fans who had the timing and good fortune to nab tickets. Sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you just ain't. Well those fans that were fortunate enough to pick up tickets would then go to the show and not sell their tickets to others. That leaves me sitting at home listening to a CD wishing I was at the show because I have no way of obtaining a ticket. With touts buying a percentage of tickets, I know I always have an avenue I can explore in order to get what I want - a ticket to the show. So it costs me a bit more than 'face value', so what? I personally find the value of attending the show to be greater than face value. I find it to be what, in the end, I am willing to pay. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 22:28:23 GMT 1, Mose - you actually like ticket touts? Absolutely. Here's the thing, if it weren't for touts, tickets would all sell to fans that have access to purchase them when they go on sale. I am not naive enough to think that I will always be among that number of fans who had the timing and good fortune to nab tickets. Sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you just ain't. Well those fans that were fortunate enough to pick up tickets would then go to the show and not sell their tickets to others. That leaves me sitting at home listening to a CD wishing I was at the show because I have no way of obtaining a ticket. With touts buying a percentage of tickets, I know I always have an avenue I can explore in order to get what I want - a ticket to the show. So it costs me a bit more than 'face value', so what? I personally find the value of attending the show to be greater than face value. I find it to be what, in the end, I am willing to pay.
or you buy a spare from a 'real' fan that cannot attend etc, how elitest are you mose? i've got more money than you so i should jump the queue mentality, get the fuck up the road pal.i agree if you spend hours 'queuing' up then that counts for something but to suggest that top dollar equates to fandom is actually a f*cking big insult. totally disagree mate.
Mose - you actually like ticket touts? Absolutely. Here's the thing, if it weren't for touts, tickets would all sell to fans that have access to purchase them when they go on sale. I am not naive enough to think that I will always be among that number of fans who had the timing and good fortune to nab tickets. Sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you just ain't. Well those fans that were fortunate enough to pick up tickets would then go to the show and not sell their tickets to others. That leaves me sitting at home listening to a CD wishing I was at the show because I have no way of obtaining a ticket. With touts buying a percentage of tickets, I know I always have an avenue I can explore in order to get what I want - a ticket to the show. So it costs me a bit more than 'face value', so what? I personally find the value of attending the show to be greater than face value. I find it to be what, in the end, I am willing to pay. or you buy a spare from a 'real' fan that cannot attend etc, how elitest are you mose? i've got more money than you so i should jump the queue mentality, get the fuck up the road pal.i agree if you spend hours 'queuing' up then that counts for something but to suggest that top dollar equates to fandom is actually a f*cking big insult. totally disagree mate. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by discoduster on Jul 22, 2007 22:31:34 GMT 1, Mose - you actually like ticket touts? With touts buying a percentage of tickets
Unfortunately, a VERY LARGE percentage!! 
Mose - you actually like ticket touts? With touts buying a percentage of tickets Unfortunately, a VERY LARGE percentage!! |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 22:35:28 GMT 1, ok so we have 'Mose' who thinks bagging / flipping is OK so he can get the print he wants even if he has to pay over the odds.
He also thinks ticket touts are offering a service.
I on the other hand with Lesbian weds, thinks touts are the scum of the earth along with baggers and flippers.
all of you lurkers who do not post should come forward and say something. It would be interesting to get everyones opinion nt just Mose and I.
I guess some of you are voting with your mouse as my ratign has taken a downward turn. So you all think bagging and touting is ok?
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ok so we have 'Mose' who thinks bagging / flipping is OK so he can get the print he wants even if he has to pay over the odds.
He also thinks ticket touts are offering a service.
I on the other hand with Lesbian weds, thinks touts are the scum of the earth along with baggers and flippers.
all of you lurkers who do not post should come forward and say something. It would be interesting to get everyones opinion nt just Mose and I.
I guess some of you are voting with your mouse as my ratign has taken a downward turn. So you all think bagging and touting is ok?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by mose on Jul 22, 2007 22:38:02 GMT 1, or you buy a spare from a 'real' fan that cannot attend etc, how elitest are you mose? i've got more money than you so i should jump the queue mentality, get the f**k up the road pal.i agree if you spend hours 'queuing' up then that counts for something but to suggest that top dollar equates to fandom is actually a f*cking big insult. totally disagree mate.
Elitist what? The guy listing the ticket on ebay to the show I want to go to could be the hugest fan and just have an exam that day or could have bought it for resale, I don't rightly care as both result in the same thing: a ticket being available. If I want to go to a show and the price is at or below what I value the experience to be worth, it is a go.
What's wrong with sacrificing money to get what you want? How is it any worse than sacrificing time or energy? I mean, it is my time and energy at work that gets me the money. Money is very democratic, anyone can obtain it and largely choose to spend it as they see fit and as fits into their priorities. It doesn't depend on who you know, how much free time you have on your hands, etc. The market does its work and if you are willing to pay what the market determines, almost anything is obtainable.
btw, i never suggested that top dollar equates to fandom. That 'f*cking big insult' was created by your mind out of your own personal views, biases, etc. It was not in the words which I wrote.
or you buy a spare from a 'real' fan that cannot attend etc, how elitest are you mose? i've got more money than you so i should jump the queue mentality, get the f**k up the road pal.i agree if you spend hours 'queuing' up then that counts for something but to suggest that top dollar equates to fandom is actually a f*cking big insult. totally disagree mate. Elitist what? The guy listing the ticket on ebay to the show I want to go to could be the hugest fan and just have an exam that day or could have bought it for resale, I don't rightly care as both result in the same thing: a ticket being available. If I want to go to a show and the price is at or below what I value the experience to be worth, it is a go. What's wrong with sacrificing money to get what you want? How is it any worse than sacrificing time or energy? I mean, it is my time and energy at work that gets me the money. Money is very democratic, anyone can obtain it and largely choose to spend it as they see fit and as fits into their priorities. It doesn't depend on who you know, how much free time you have on your hands, etc. The market does its work and if you are willing to pay what the market determines, almost anything is obtainable. btw, i never suggested that top dollar equates to fandom. That 'f*cking big insult' was created by your mind out of your own personal views, biases, etc. It was not in the words which I wrote. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 22:43:56 GMT 1, just going off track a little, has monochrome deleted his account? i only ask because he's not in the members list any more and he had a wicked turn of phrase for touts. an analgy about those whose rape more deserve more head? mono's words not mine but you get the drift, he also used to refer to us all as pokemon collectors, shame if he has gone.
used to make sense when he referred to skag dealers offering a service, although taken to the extreme it put in clear context the hypocrisy of supplying those that demand, a'la tout in their various incarnations.
just going off track a little, has monochrome deleted his account? i only ask because he's not in the members list any more and he had a wicked turn of phrase for touts. an analgy about those whose rape more deserve more head? mono's words not mine but you get the drift, he also used to refer to us all as pokemon collectors, shame if he has gone. used to make sense when he referred to skag dealers offering a service, although taken to the extreme it put in clear context the hypocrisy of supplying those that demand, a'la tout in their various incarnations. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 22:51:07 GMT 1, or you buy a spare from a 'real' fan that cannot attend etc, how elitest are you mose? i've got more money than you so i should jump the queue mentality, get the f**k up the road pal.i agree if you spend hours 'queuing' up then that counts for something but to suggest that top dollar equates to fandom is actually a f*cking big insult. totally disagree mate. Elitist what? The guy listing the ticket on ebay to the show I want to go to could be the hugest fan and just have an exam that day or could have bought it for resale, I don't rightly care as both result in the same thing: a ticket being available. If I want to go to a show and the price is at or below what I value the experience to be worth, it is a go. What's wrong with sacrificing money to get what you want? How is it any worse than sacrificing time or energy? I mean, it is my time and energy at work that gets me the money. Money is very democratic, anyone can obtain it and largely choose to spend it as they see fit and as fits into their priorities. It doesn't depend on who you know, how much free time you have on your hands, etc. The market does its work and if you are willing to pay what the market determines, almost anything is obtainable. btw, i never suggested that top dollar equates to fandom. That 'f*cking big insult' was created by your mind out of your own personal views, biases, etc. It was not in the words which I wrote.
that is a very clinical view mose, we all have constraints of various extremes, my point is money should not be seen as the leveller. i went to see the kings of leon last week and some woman came up to me outside to offer me a spare. i didn't need it but sold it to a girl who did and they exchanged at face value. meanwhile there were numerous touts offering tickets to the highest bidder.my point being you don't HAVE to pay topdollar to get what you want and money should not be used as a gauge of fandom. you say that is a scale i have drawn up myself, yet it is one you consistently refer to.
yes i'm very offended by that and remain so, money does not equate to worthiness, never will do in my book. totally disagree.
or you buy a spare from a 'real' fan that cannot attend etc, how elitest are you mose? i've got more money than you so i should jump the queue mentality, get the f**k up the road pal.i agree if you spend hours 'queuing' up then that counts for something but to suggest that top dollar equates to fandom is actually a f*cking big insult. totally disagree mate. Elitist what? The guy listing the ticket on ebay to the show I want to go to could be the hugest fan and just have an exam that day or could have bought it for resale, I don't rightly care as both result in the same thing: a ticket being available. If I want to go to a show and the price is at or below what I value the experience to be worth, it is a go. What's wrong with sacrificing money to get what you want? How is it any worse than sacrificing time or energy? I mean, it is my time and energy at work that gets me the money. Money is very democratic, anyone can obtain it and largely choose to spend it as they see fit and as fits into their priorities. It doesn't depend on who you know, how much free time you have on your hands, etc. The market does its work and if you are willing to pay what the market determines, almost anything is obtainable. btw, i never suggested that top dollar equates to fandom. That 'f*cking big insult' was created by your mind out of your own personal views, biases, etc. It was not in the words which I wrote. that is a very clinical view mose, we all have constraints of various extremes, my point is money should not be seen as the leveller. i went to see the kings of leon last week and some woman came up to me outside to offer me a spare. i didn't need it but sold it to a girl who did and they exchanged at face value. meanwhile there were numerous touts offering tickets to the highest bidder.my point being you don't HAVE to pay topdollar to get what you want and money should not be used as a gauge of fandom. you say that is a scale i have drawn up myself, yet it is one you consistently refer to. yes i'm very offended by that and remain so, money does not equate to worthiness, never will do in my book. totally disagree. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 22:53:56 GMT 1, i'm agreeing with you again Tom.
Its opinions like Mose's (not Moses!) that keep lining the pockets of those that stop genuine fans getting what they want.
i'm agreeing with you again Tom.
Its opinions like Mose's (not Moses!) that keep lining the pockets of those that stop genuine fans getting what they want.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Zippy on Jul 22, 2007 22:54:34 GMT 1, Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself?
Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself?
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by mose on Jul 22, 2007 23:00:27 GMT 1, Its opinions like Mose's (not Moses!) that keep lining the pockets of those that stop genuine fans getting what they want.
IMO, no.
right now, the simple fact is that there are too many 'genuine fans', and not enough of what they desire, to go around. It's generally the situation you get into when you combine popularity with limited(editions, resources, etc.)
right now, those that stop 'genuine fans' getting what they want are largely other 'genuine fans'.
Its opinions like Mose's (not Moses!) that keep lining the pockets of those that stop genuine fans getting what they want. IMO, no. right now, the simple fact is that there are too many 'genuine fans', and not enough of what they desire, to go around. It's generally the situation you get into when you combine popularity with limited(editions, resources, etc.) right now, those that stop 'genuine fans' getting what they want are largely other 'genuine fans'. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:00:40 GMT 1, Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself?
back off matt, there are only 31 members online at the moment!
Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself? back off matt, there are only 31 members online at the moment! |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:05:27 GMT 1, Its opinions like Mose's (not Moses!) that keep lining the pockets of those that stop genuine fans getting what they want. IMO, no. right now, the simple fact is that there are too many 'genuine fans' and not enough of what they want to go around. It's generally the situation you get in with limited editions. right now, those that stop 'genuine fans' getting what they want are largely other 'genuine fans'.
very good point mose, just please do not offset it by 'bigging up' anyone outside that loop who is in it for themselves. yes it would be gutting to miss out on a top image because it sold out under whatever circumstances, and you missed out. would you not live with it a bit easier if none came up for sale and you could sleep easy that they all went to good homes? you wouldn't be happy but maybe you'd respect their disribution?
at the same time, would you not be just a little miffed if said print went to some slag who sold it to the highest bidder? extremes of example i know but do you not get my drift?
Its opinions like Mose's (not Moses!) that keep lining the pockets of those that stop genuine fans getting what they want. IMO, no. right now, the simple fact is that there are too many 'genuine fans' and not enough of what they want to go around. It's generally the situation you get in with limited editions. right now, those that stop 'genuine fans' getting what they want are largely other 'genuine fans'. very good point mose, just please do not offset it by 'bigging up' anyone outside that loop who is in it for themselves. yes it would be gutting to miss out on a top image because it sold out under whatever circumstances, and you missed out. would you not live with it a bit easier if none came up for sale and you could sleep easy that they all went to good homes? you wouldn't be happy but maybe you'd respect their disribution? at the same time, would you not be just a little miffed if said print went to some slag who sold it to the highest bidder? extremes of example i know but do you not get my drift? |
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