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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by numusic on Jul 22, 2007 23:17:12 GMT 1, Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself?
Yes, all professional touts are c**t. it's like the difference between "buying" sex from a hooker and your beautiful girlfriend wanting to make pasionate love to you. Mose just wants to spank his load..it's the result he's after. Not the attitude of a fan and he wouldn't make a very good lover ! 
Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself? Yes, all professional touts are c**t. it's like the difference between "buying" sex from a hooker and your beautiful girlfriend wanting to make pasionate love to you. Mose just wants to spank his load..it's the result he's after. Not the attitude of a fan and he wouldn't make a very good lover ! |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by mose on Jul 22, 2007 23:23:05 GMT 1, he wouldn't make a very good lover !
I want the 'City Girl' porno to finally come out so I can get to learnin......my wife, on the other hand, needs it to finally come out so I can get to learnin
he wouldn't make a very good lover ! I want the 'City Girl' porno to finally come out so I can get to learnin......my wife, on the other hand, needs it to finally come out so I can get to learnin |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:25:02 GMT 1, Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself? Yes, all professional touts are c**ts. it's like the difference between "buying" sex from a hooker and your beautiful girlfriend wanting to make pasionate love to you. Mose just wants to spank his load..it's the result he's after. Not the attitude of a fan and he wouldn't make a very good lover !
too subversive for me nu ;D.
Does no one else have an opinion apart from Mose, Tom and myself? Yes, all professional touts are c**ts. it's like the difference between "buying" sex from a hooker and your beautiful girlfriend wanting to make pasionate love to you. Mose just wants to spank his load..it's the result he's after. Not the attitude of a fan and he wouldn't make a very good lover ! too subversive for me nu ;D. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:26:39 GMT 1, he wouldn't make a very good lover ! I want the 'City Girl' porno to finally come out so I can get to learnin......my wife, on the other hand, needs it to finally come out so I can get to learnin
this is a public forum mose
;D
he wouldn't make a very good lover ! I want the 'City Girl' porno to finally come out so I can get to learnin......my wife, on the other hand, needs it to finally come out so I can get to learnin this is a public forum mose ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by dave313perry on Jul 22, 2007 23:28:07 GMT 1, Seems to me so much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary! i know the desirability of the artist is started by the quality of art but many people on here then value the following pieces by how limited and difficult to get hold off they are, rather than how aesthetically pleasing they are foremost! Seems if a highly desireable artist released a limited run of 5 as oppose to a regular run of say 400, and the image was the biggest bunch of shite, then the name and demand for the artist would sell the piece and not the image!
e.g tracet Emin, never understood the atraction!?!?!? diamond skulls??? 
Has this always been the case as im a novice collector and a fan of deisgn in general as much a fan of graff artists and similar, it just strikes me that this ends up far too money orientated to make sense!!!! 
Seems to me so much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary! i know the desirability of the artist is started by the quality of art but many people on here then value the following pieces by how limited and difficult to get hold off they are, rather than how aesthetically pleasing they are foremost! Seems if a highly desireable artist released a limited run of 5 as oppose to a regular run of say 400, and the image was the biggest bunch of shite, then the name and demand for the artist would sell the piece and not the image! e.g tracet Emin, never understood the atraction!?!?!? diamond skulls??? Has this always been the case as im a novice collector and a fan of deisgn in general as much a fan of graff artists and similar, it just strikes me that this ends up far too money orientated to make sense!!!! |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:31:32 GMT 1, dave i 100% see your point. tell me, do you own many prints? or are you like me, who is very selective and every purchase is crucial? no way i can afford to speculate!
dave i 100% see your point. tell me, do you own many prints? or are you like me, who is very selective and every purchase is crucial? no way i can afford to speculate!
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by mose on Jul 22, 2007 23:33:30 GMT 1, this is a public forum mose ;D
hmmm, in public....that's an idea....how cheeky of you ;D
this is a public forum mose ;D hmmm, in public....that's an idea....how cheeky of you ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:38:41 GMT 1, now you're putting words in my mouth. that is someting i will not take the blame for ;D. or criticise
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now you're putting words in my mouth. that is someting i will not take the blame for ;D. or criticise ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 22, 2007 23:39:59 GMT 1, on that bombshell, goodnight. 
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by dave313perry on Jul 22, 2007 23:44:36 GMT 1, Yeah definately, i cant afford to pay over the odds on prints that are most likely going to drop in value. and for instance cant afford to buy the SBFO that i missed out on, hence my sulk recently! I do although understand both points of view, i suppose its about priorities, for instance if you have a family to feed you may put a stop to your love of art, sell all your banksy's - 20 years down the line your an M.D and can purchase whatever you like!
however timing is of the essence - i guess im talking about people who appreciate good art though who will trade, swap and sell to fund other art if they can, not about people who see a way of making a quick penny
Iv told people on here before that i saw the Sepias selling friom the USA for about 2.2-2.3k on ebay, i already had one hanging but saw how the usa import tax thingy was scaring people off and took advantage of the situation (admittidly took a risk shipping as a gift!) and now how the chance to trade it for a Micallef (im a huge fan) which would otherwise be way way out of my league, i also took out a loan on the Sepia, im not that minted!!!
thats just kinda where i stand! but then again im a novice trying to build a collection i can appreciate! cheers
Dave
Yeah definately, i cant afford to pay over the odds on prints that are most likely going to drop in value. and for instance cant afford to buy the SBFO that i missed out on, hence my sulk recently! I do although understand both points of view, i suppose its about priorities, for instance if you have a family to feed you may put a stop to your love of art, sell all your banksy's - 20 years down the line your an M.D and can purchase whatever you like!
however timing is of the essence - i guess im talking about people who appreciate good art though who will trade, swap and sell to fund other art if they can, not about people who see a way of making a quick penny
Iv told people on here before that i saw the Sepias selling friom the USA for about 2.2-2.3k on ebay, i already had one hanging but saw how the usa import tax thingy was scaring people off and took advantage of the situation (admittidly took a risk shipping as a gift!) and now how the chance to trade it for a Micallef (im a huge fan) which would otherwise be way way out of my league, i also took out a loan on the Sepia, im not that minted!!!
thats just kinda where i stand! but then again im a novice trying to build a collection i can appreciate! cheers
Dave
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Wiseblood on Jul 23, 2007 0:19:24 GMT 1, Arcam Didn't they also have one at Metallica at Wembley the other day?? If so, i'm glad I sold my tickets. I know golden circles are health and safety bollocks but it really feckin ruins it. Never had any problems at Reading festival without the GC Yeah they had a Golden Circle and it was huge as well and no where near full. So it meant there was quite a big gap. They say it's safety but like you say festivals don't have them with far bigger crowds.
Metallica at Wembley
Never been that far back at a gig before sucked big style, tallica were mint tho
Arcam Didn't they also have one at Metallica at Wembley the other day?? If so, i'm glad I sold my tickets. I know golden circles are health and safety bollocks but it really feckin ruins it. Never had any problems at Reading festival without the GC Yeah they had a Golden Circle and it was huge as well and no where near full. So it meant there was quite a big gap. They say it's safety but like you say festivals don't have them with far bigger crowds. Metallica at Wembley Never been that far back at a gig before sucked big style, tallica were mint tho |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by arcam on Jul 23, 2007 0:25:20 GMT 1, Never been that far back at a gig before sucked big style, tallica were mint tho You couldn't have wished for a better set list. ;D Awesome gig. 
Never been that far back at a gig before sucked big style, tallica were mint tho You couldn't have wished for a better set list. ;D Awesome gig. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by verbalkint on Jul 23, 2007 0:41:42 GMT 1, ok so we have 'Mose' who thinks bagging / flipping is OK so he can get the print he wants even if he has to pay over the odds. He also thinks ticket touts are offering a service. I on the other hand with Lesbian weds, thinks touts are the scum of the earth along with baggers and flippers. all of you lurkers who do not post should come forward and say something. It would be interesting to get everyones opinion nt just Mose and I. I guess some of you are voting with your mouse as my ratign has taken a downward turn. So you all think bagging and touting is ok? Z
you think touts, baggers and flippers are 'the sum of the earth' do you?
Well, i happen to think that the sick motherfucker who decided to rape his 2 year old niece before strangling her will a bit of flex from a mobile phone charger, i think that evil cunt is the scum of the earth, or perhapd ian brady and hindley who tortured lesley ann-downey to death and recorded her screaming and begging for her mum so they could laugh about it later, they are the scum of the earth, perhaps Ian huntley who decided to kill two 10 year olds because, well, we will never know why because the sick bastard wont even give their families the closure to know what actually happened, he is the scum of the earth.
Anyone who has ever harmed a child, anyone who has ever raped anyone, killed anyone or seriously assaulted anyone. People who target the elderly and rob them of their life savings, carers who miss treat mentally sub normal people who cannot sefend themselves, parents who spend their money on themselves and let their kids starve or live in squalour, they are the fucking scum of the earth
People who use their initiative and invest time and money to buy things that they can sell on at a profit are not 'scum of the earth' and if you think they are you have no fucking idea what scum is my friend. im not a flipper, or a bagger, but i regularly buy from them to enhance my collection and i do not resent a single penny that i send their way.
No doubt my respect will plummit because of this but reading the posts is hillarious!! 'Scum of the earth'!! Get a fucking grip people, why not write a letter to madeline mccanns parents and explain your serious problems with flippers and see if, no matter how you word it, you could get them to give 1 iota of a flying fuck
ok so we have 'Mose' who thinks bagging / flipping is OK so he can get the print he wants even if he has to pay over the odds. He also thinks ticket touts are offering a service. I on the other hand with Lesbian weds, thinks touts are the scum of the earth along with baggers and flippers. all of you lurkers who do not post should come forward and say something. It would be interesting to get everyones opinion nt just Mose and I. I guess some of you are voting with your mouse as my ratign has taken a downward turn. So you all think bagging and touting is ok? Z you think touts, baggers and flippers are 'the sum of the earth' do you? Well, i happen to think that the sick motherfucker who decided to rape his 2 year old niece before strangling her will a bit of flex from a mobile phone charger, i think that evil cunt is the scum of the earth, or perhapd ian brady and hindley who tortured lesley ann-downey to death and recorded her screaming and begging for her mum so they could laugh about it later, they are the scum of the earth, perhaps Ian huntley who decided to kill two 10 year olds because, well, we will never know why because the sick bastard wont even give their families the closure to know what actually happened, he is the scum of the earth. Anyone who has ever harmed a child, anyone who has ever raped anyone, killed anyone or seriously assaulted anyone. People who target the elderly and rob them of their life savings, carers who miss treat mentally sub normal people who cannot sefend themselves, parents who spend their money on themselves and let their kids starve or live in squalour, they are the fucking scum of the earth People who use their initiative and invest time and money to buy things that they can sell on at a profit are not 'scum of the earth' and if you think they are you have no fucking idea what scum is my friend. im not a flipper, or a bagger, but i regularly buy from them to enhance my collection and i do not resent a single penny that i send their way. No doubt my respect will plummit because of this but reading the posts is hillarious!! 'Scum of the earth'!! Get a fucking grip people, why not write a letter to madeline mccanns parents and explain your serious problems with flippers and see if, no matter how you word it, you could get them to give 1 iota of a flying fuck |
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gent Γacardi on Jul 23, 2007 1:27:58 GMT 1, Don't mind me, I'm just taking a precaution and keeping the peace: Play nice, people! 
Nothing wrong at all with a lively debate, but please be respectful in your language and tone. There are ways to get your point across without getting personal. Too often do people think that their respect points have plummeted simply because they've expressed an opinion... when the reason why their points went down was actually because of the delivery and not the opinion. Compare "I see your point, but consider this: Blahblahblah" with "What are you, a fecking idiot?!? Blahblahblah" (Not having a go at anyone, it's just an example that I pulled out of my arse to illustrate my point). You CAN absolutely express your opinion, just deliver it the same way you'd like it to be delivered to you and you'll be fine!
With that said, I'd like to respectfully express my personal opinion: I see where Mose is coming from regarding the touters providing an avenue for people who missed out to secure something they want, albeit at a premium. But think of it from another angle: If I found a way to bottle up all the oxygen on Earth, and decided to monopolize and capitalize on it by selling it to everyone at Β£1,000 a bottle, would I be viewed as magnanimously providing a service? If I hadn't interfered, everyone would have gotten all the oxygen they needed, and they wouldn't have had to pay for it. Why should people pay extra for something that they really (in principle) don't have to? Obviously, whose side you're on will depend on who you are - the oxygen monopolizer wouldn't see anything wrong with what he's doing, but the consumers probably will. The so-called 'touters' wouldn't see anything wrong with what they're doing, but at least some consumers probably will. And because the 'touters' and consumers will probably be different people, there will never be a right or wrong answer. We'll just have to accept it as a two-sided coin.
Touting/flipping/bagging may seem despicable to an individual who have tried extremely hard but failed, and had to end up paying more than what he/she would have had to pay. That's one side. The other side? At least they have a second chance. That's in essence a 100% true statement, despite how bitter that second chance may feel. These two sides come with the same coin; it's absolutely unrealistic to just concentrate on one side and argue against the other IMHO. And as long as touting/flipping/bagging exists (and it always will when money/value/appreciation is involved), this 'touter'-consumer conflict will alway exist. And we're just gonna have to accept it for all that it is.
(Wow, that was long. Sorry!!) ;D
Don't mind me, I'm just taking a precaution and keeping the peace: Play nice, people! Nothing wrong at all with a lively debate, but please be respectful in your language and tone. There are ways to get your point across without getting personal. Too often do people think that their respect points have plummeted simply because they've expressed an opinion... when the reason why their points went down was actually because of the delivery and not the opinion. Compare "I see your point, but consider this: Blahblahblah" with "What are you, a fecking idiot?!? Blahblahblah" (Not having a go at anyone, it's just an example that I pulled out of my arse to illustrate my point). You CAN absolutely express your opinion, just deliver it the same way you'd like it to be delivered to you and you'll be fine! With that said, I'd like to respectfully express my personal opinion: I see where Mose is coming from regarding the touters providing an avenue for people who missed out to secure something they want, albeit at a premium. But think of it from another angle: If I found a way to bottle up all the oxygen on Earth, and decided to monopolize and capitalize on it by selling it to everyone at Β£1,000 a bottle, would I be viewed as magnanimously providing a service? If I hadn't interfered, everyone would have gotten all the oxygen they needed, and they wouldn't have had to pay for it. Why should people pay extra for something that they really (in principle) don't have to? Obviously, whose side you're on will depend on who you are - the oxygen monopolizer wouldn't see anything wrong with what he's doing, but the consumers probably will. The so-called 'touters' wouldn't see anything wrong with what they're doing, but at least some consumers probably will. And because the 'touters' and consumers will probably be different people, there will never be a right or wrong answer. We'll just have to accept it as a two-sided coin. Touting/flipping/bagging may seem despicable to an individual who have tried extremely hard but failed, and had to end up paying more than what he/she would have had to pay. That's one side. The other side? At least they have a second chance. That's in essence a 100% true statement, despite how bitter that second chance may feel. These two sides come with the same coin; it's absolutely unrealistic to just concentrate on one side and argue against the other IMHO. And as long as touting/flipping/bagging exists (and it always will when money/value/appreciation is involved), this 'touter'-consumer conflict will alway exist. And we're just gonna have to accept it for all that it is. (Wow, that was long. Sorry!!) ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by wayney on Jul 23, 2007 7:33:56 GMT 1, Seems to me so much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary! i know the desirability of the artist is started by the quality of art but many people on here then value the following pieces by how limited and difficult to get hold off they are, rather than how aesthetically pleasing they are foremost! Seems if a highly desireable artist released a limited run of 5 as oppose to a regular run of say 400, and the image was the biggest bunch of s**te, then the name and demand for the artist would sell the piece and not the image! e.g tracet Emin, never understood the atraction!?!?!? diamond skulls??? Has this always been the case as im a novice collector and a fan of deisgn in general as much a fan of graff artists and similar, it just strikes me that this ends up far too money orientated to make sense!!!!
Absolutely agree - the general feel of this site largely revolves around discussion of collecting hard-to-obtain trophies (as I have previously mentioned), how much people pay for this art and self-congratulating themselves on how much they have managed to obtain. Little wonder that people aren't particularly worried by flippers who throw the stuff on EBay and get the costs up even higher, giving people who have got some of the peices even more reassurance that they have 'succeeded'. Even this thread went completely off-topic once 'golden circles' at gigs were mentioned (who managed to get in, who was lucky etc etc). It's all very competitive, like schoolboys swapping collectors cards.
Thank God for the Β£50 thread, at least it focuses on the quality of the design ......
Seems to me so much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary! i know the desirability of the artist is started by the quality of art but many people on here then value the following pieces by how limited and difficult to get hold off they are, rather than how aesthetically pleasing they are foremost! Seems if a highly desireable artist released a limited run of 5 as oppose to a regular run of say 400, and the image was the biggest bunch of s**te, then the name and demand for the artist would sell the piece and not the image! e.g tracet Emin, never understood the atraction!?!?!? diamond skulls??? Has this always been the case as im a novice collector and a fan of deisgn in general as much a fan of graff artists and similar, it just strikes me that this ends up far too money orientated to make sense!!!! Absolutely agree - the general feel of this site largely revolves around discussion of collecting hard-to-obtain trophies (as I have previously mentioned), how much people pay for this art and self-congratulating themselves on how much they have managed to obtain. Little wonder that people aren't particularly worried by flippers who throw the stuff on EBay and get the costs up even higher, giving people who have got some of the peices even more reassurance that they have 'succeeded'. Even this thread went completely off-topic once 'golden circles' at gigs were mentioned (who managed to get in, who was lucky etc etc). It's all very competitive, like schoolboys swapping collectors cards. Thank God for the Β£50 thread, at least it focuses on the quality of the design ...... |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by corblimeylimey on Jul 23, 2007 10:33:58 GMT 1, Seems to me so much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary! i know the desirability of the artist is started by the quality of art but many people on here then value the following pieces by how limited and difficult to get hold off they are, rather than how aesthetically pleasing they are foremost! Seems if a highly desireable artist released a limited run of 5 as oppose to a regular run of say 400, and the image was the biggest bunch of s**te, then the name and demand for the artist would sell the piece and not the image! e.g tracet Emin, never understood the atraction!?!?!? diamond skulls??? Has this always been the case as im a novice collector and a fan of deisgn in general as much a fan of graff artists and similar, it just strikes me that this ends up far too money orientated to make sense!!!!
I'm with you Dave on the "too much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary" point.
I really enjoyed the Found show, for the oppotunity to see and apprieciate the art, I didn't have to own it, some pieces I'd have bought if I had the money but without the deep pockets I got to enjoy it anyway. Likewise I'm just as happy with my Dolk Che (run of 750) as I am with my All Fall Down (run of 77). I can understand that it's nice to have an original and unique piece of art but it's the subject that's obviously more important.
Seems to me so much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary! i know the desirability of the artist is started by the quality of art but many people on here then value the following pieces by how limited and difficult to get hold off they are, rather than how aesthetically pleasing they are foremost! Seems if a highly desireable artist released a limited run of 5 as oppose to a regular run of say 400, and the image was the biggest bunch of s**te, then the name and demand for the artist would sell the piece and not the image! e.g tracet Emin, never understood the atraction!?!?!? diamond skulls??? Has this always been the case as im a novice collector and a fan of deisgn in general as much a fan of graff artists and similar, it just strikes me that this ends up far too money orientated to make sense!!!! I'm with you Dave on the "too much emphasis is put into the purchasing and ownership of prints, the actual appreciation of the art is secondary" point. I really enjoyed the Found show, for the oppotunity to see and apprieciate the art, I didn't have to own it, some pieces I'd have bought if I had the money but without the deep pockets I got to enjoy it anyway. Likewise I'm just as happy with my Dolk Che (run of 750) as I am with my All Fall Down (run of 77). I can understand that it's nice to have an original and unique piece of art but it's the subject that's obviously more important. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by verbalkint on Jul 23, 2007 11:25:10 GMT 1, all i am saying is get things into perspective people. when prints are limited from a popular artist there will NEVER ben enough supply to meet demand. I know my last past would get me negges to hiugh heavan but its true and i stand by every word that i siad, but i notice none of you have the mental capacity of whit to actually put together a constructive retort, all yuou can do is click on that - button. YOu all had your chance at the found show (the only people i met there were sound as a pound) all the rest of you kept well away didnt you. well you know what, i will be at the adam neate show too so come see me then you bunch of cock jockeys
all i am saying is get things into perspective people. when prints are limited from a popular artist there will NEVER ben enough supply to meet demand. I know my last past would get me negges to hiugh heavan but its true and i stand by every word that i siad, but i notice none of you have the mental capacity of whit to actually put together a constructive retort, all yuou can do is click on that - button. YOu all had your chance at the found show (the only people i met there were sound as a pound) all the rest of you kept well away didnt you. well you know what, i will be at the adam neate show too so come see me then you bunch of cock jockeys
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by wayney on Jul 23, 2007 12:25:55 GMT 1, all i am saying is get things into perspective people. when prints are limited from a popular artist there will NEVER ben enough supply to meet demand. I know my last past would get me negges to hiugh heavan but its true and i stand by every word that i siad, but i notice none of you have the mental capacity of whit to actually put together a constructive retort, all yuou can do is click on that - button. YOu all had your chance at the found show (the only people i met there were sound as a pound) all the rest of you kept well away didnt you. well you know what, i will be at the adam neate show too so come see me then you bunch of c**k jockeys
Please explain "c**k jockeys" in terms of an insult - I'm wondering whether this may be homophobic ?
all i am saying is get things into perspective people. when prints are limited from a popular artist there will NEVER ben enough supply to meet demand. I know my last past would get me negges to hiugh heavan but its true and i stand by every word that i siad, but i notice none of you have the mental capacity of whit to actually put together a constructive retort, all yuou can do is click on that - button. YOu all had your chance at the found show (the only people i met there were sound as a pound) all the rest of you kept well away didnt you. well you know what, i will be at the adam neate show too so come see me then you bunch of c**k jockeys Please explain "c**k jockeys" in terms of an insult - I'm wondering whether this may be homophobic ? |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 23, 2007 17:58:46 GMT 1, all i am saying is get things into perspective people. when prints are limited from a popular artist there will NEVER ben enough supply to meet demand. I know my last past would get me negges to hiugh heavan but its true and i stand by every word that i siad, but i notice none of you have the mental capacity of whit to actually put together a constructive retort, all yuou can do is click on that - button. YOu all had your chance at the found show (the only people i met there were sound as a pound) all the rest of you kept well away didnt you. well you know what, i will be at the adam neate show too so come see me then you bunch of c**k jockeys
even if i were at the show verbal, i would be increasingly less likely to want to roll up for a chat. my guess is if i were to dare to have an opinion, yet alone one that differs from your's, then your dummy would be well and truly out the door. as agent b said, there are very much two sides to this and most other arguments, a bit of objectivity wouldn't go a miss. as for us getting things out of perspective, get real, do you think anyone would compare a tout of any kind to a serial killer?
c*ckjockey, nice. 6'2", 13 1/2 stone hairy-arsed roofer, yes. a homosexual, no.
better ways of making your point i think, take away the hyperbole and there is hardly a counter in defence of the touts
all i am saying is get things into perspective people. when prints are limited from a popular artist there will NEVER ben enough supply to meet demand. I know my last past would get me negges to hiugh heavan but its true and i stand by every word that i siad, but i notice none of you have the mental capacity of whit to actually put together a constructive retort, all yuou can do is click on that - button. YOu all had your chance at the found show (the only people i met there were sound as a pound) all the rest of you kept well away didnt you. well you know what, i will be at the adam neate show too so come see me then you bunch of c**k jockeys even if i were at the show verbal, i would be increasingly less likely to want to roll up for a chat. my guess is if i were to dare to have an opinion, yet alone one that differs from your's, then your dummy would be well and truly out the door. as agent b said, there are very much two sides to this and most other arguments, a bit of objectivity wouldn't go a miss. as for us getting things out of perspective, get real, do you think anyone would compare a tout of any kind to a serial killer? c*ckjockey, nice. 6'2", 13 1/2 stone hairy-arsed roofer, yes. a homosexual, no. better ways of making your point i think, take away the hyperbole and there is hardly a counter in defence of the touts |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by corblimeylimey on Jul 24, 2007 17:15:44 GMT 1, Anyway.....
Back to the thread subject, a SBFO has sold on ebay this afternoon for Β£1,420
Anyway..... Back to the thread subject, a SBFO has sold on ebay this afternoon for Β£1,420 |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by finsburyparkranger on Jul 24, 2007 17:39:50 GMT 1, Anyway..... Back to the thread subject, a SBFO has sold on ebay this afternoon for Β£1,420
*cough* you could get a good unsigned Banksy for that *cough* or almost two grannies. ;D
Anyway..... Back to the thread subject, a SBFO has sold on ebay this afternoon for Β£1,420 *cough* you could get a good unsigned Banksy for that *cough* or almost two grannies. ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by corblimeylimey on Jul 24, 2007 17:44:47 GMT 1, Anyway..... Back to the thread subject, a SBFO has sold on ebay this afternoon for Β£1,420 *cough* you could get a good unsigned Banksy for that *cough* or almost two grannies. ;D
;D ;D ;D
Are you saying Grannies is worth Β£1,420 there are two grannies on my grannies print! ;D
Anyway..... Back to the thread subject, a SBFO has sold on ebay this afternoon for Β£1,420 *cough* you could get a good unsigned Banksy for that *cough* or almost two grannies. ;D ;D ;D ;D Are you saying Grannies is worth Β£1,420 there are two grannies on my grannies print! ;D |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by pezlow on Jul 25, 2007 10:00:50 GMT 1, All these endless touting and flipping debates are a bit dull in my opinion. Just as are the endless speculation about how much something is worth and how much something on ebay might sell for. Most of the regular posters on this forum have sold or attempted to sell off some of their art at more than they bought it for. I certainly have and zippy I know you have too. And there is nothing wrong with that.
We have probably all been guilty of getting sucked in to the competitive nature of this collecting bug and buying something because it was available without really thinking about whether we really want it or not. I take my hat off to any of the regular posters on this forum who haven't.
There is no point b**ching and moaning about not getting something you want just because a few touts did get it. I am afraid it is the way of the world in this market at the moment. Content yourself that when this particular street art bubble has burst then it will go back to plenty of affordable pieces of art for us to buy, cherish and love. And perhaps the availability of the art will mean that we are not sucked into buying something just for the sake of having it.
All these endless touting and flipping debates are a bit dull in my opinion. Just as are the endless speculation about how much something is worth and how much something on ebay might sell for. Most of the regular posters on this forum have sold or attempted to sell off some of their art at more than they bought it for. I certainly have and zippy I know you have too. And there is nothing wrong with that.
We have probably all been guilty of getting sucked in to the competitive nature of this collecting bug and buying something because it was available without really thinking about whether we really want it or not. I take my hat off to any of the regular posters on this forum who haven't.
There is no point b**ching and moaning about not getting something you want just because a few touts did get it. I am afraid it is the way of the world in this market at the moment. Content yourself that when this particular street art bubble has burst then it will go back to plenty of affordable pieces of art for us to buy, cherish and love. And perhaps the availability of the art will mean that we are not sucked into buying something just for the sake of having it.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Curley on Jul 25, 2007 10:51:23 GMT 1, All these endless touting and flipping debates are a bit dull in my opinion. Just as are the endless speculation about how much something is worth and how much something on ebay might sell for. Most of the regular posters on this forum have sold or attempted to sell off some of their art at more than they bought it for. I certainly have and zippy I know you have too. And there is nothing wrong with that. We have probably all been guilty of getting sucked in to the competitive nature of this collecting bug and buying something because it was available without really thinking about whether we really want it or not. I take my hat off to any of the regular posters on this forum who haven't. There is no point b**ching and moaning about not getting something you want just because a few touts did get it. I am afraid it is the way of the world in this market at the moment. Content yourself that when this particular street art bubble has burst then it will go back to plenty of affordable pieces of art for us to buy, cherish and love. And perhaps the availability of the art will mean that we are not sucked into buying something just for the sake of having it.
Ans so speaks the voice of reason.. well said. 
All these endless touting and flipping debates are a bit dull in my opinion. Just as are the endless speculation about how much something is worth and how much something on ebay might sell for. Most of the regular posters on this forum have sold or attempted to sell off some of their art at more than they bought it for. I certainly have and zippy I know you have too. And there is nothing wrong with that. We have probably all been guilty of getting sucked in to the competitive nature of this collecting bug and buying something because it was available without really thinking about whether we really want it or not. I take my hat off to any of the regular posters on this forum who haven't. There is no point b**ching and moaning about not getting something you want just because a few touts did get it. I am afraid it is the way of the world in this market at the moment. Content yourself that when this particular street art bubble has burst then it will go back to plenty of affordable pieces of art for us to buy, cherish and love. And perhaps the availability of the art will mean that we are not sucked into buying something just for the sake of having it. Ans so speaks the voice of reason.. well said. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by johnas on Jul 25, 2007 11:17:32 GMT 1, All these endless touting and flipping debates are a bit dull in my opinion. Just as are the endless speculation about how much something is worth and how much something on ebay might sell for. Most of the regular posters on this forum have sold or attempted to sell off some of their art at more than they bought it for. I certainly have and zippy I know you have too. And there is nothing wrong with that.
too true.... dull dull dull. every few days on this forum, the same things get discussed and so much of it is just pure speculation and revolves around money.
can i have your hat then Pez?? ;D It always amazes me how much stuff people are clearly buying, but we never see them in the "Get your banksy out thread"... more often than not, they just surface on here to be sold within a month... i can't help thinking LOADS of people are living off credit cards to fund this habit (and in some cases, gain "kudos") and it'll end in tears. The mantra 'buy what you like and can afford' gets bounded around, but from what i can see, few live by it
here here! bitching and moaning ain't gonna make it go away. Sure peeps will get frustrated but it's the way of the world. The more you let it bug you, the more frustrated you get. My advise is to take a chill pill, accept the way of the world and realise the point that so many artists are trying to make nowadays - there's unnecessary wars happening people... innocent people dying at the hands of corrupt/capitalist governments.... genecide..... starvation.
Missing a feckin print issue is not really that important is it?! Come on....
All these endless touting and flipping debates are a bit dull in my opinion. Just as are the endless speculation about how much something is worth and how much something on ebay might sell for. Most of the regular posters on this forum have sold or attempted to sell off some of their art at more than they bought it for. I certainly have and zippy I know you have too. And there is nothing wrong with that. too true.... dull dull dull. every few days on this forum, the same things get discussed and so much of it is just pure speculation and revolves around money. can i have your hat then Pez?? ;D It always amazes me how much stuff people are clearly buying, but we never see them in the "Get your banksy out thread"... more often than not, they just surface on here to be sold within a month... i can't help thinking LOADS of people are living off credit cards to fund this habit (and in some cases, gain "kudos") and it'll end in tears. The mantra 'buy what you like and can afford' gets bounded around, but from what i can see, few live by it here here! bitching and moaning ain't gonna make it go away. Sure peeps will get frustrated but it's the way of the world. The more you let it bug you, the more frustrated you get. My advise is to take a chill pill, accept the way of the world and realise the point that so many artists are trying to make nowadays - there's unnecessary wars happening people... innocent people dying at the hands of corrupt/capitalist governments.... genecide..... starvation. Missing a feckin print issue is not really that important is it?! Come on.... |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by pezlow on Jul 25, 2007 13:16:09 GMT 1, One hat on its way to you Johnas
One hat on its way to you Johnas |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by Yessir on Jul 25, 2007 17:45:59 GMT 1, I'll start of by saying I can't condone touts or the bagging and flipping of prints, by a person who never intended to keep the art they had just purchased................................ but.......................
Just a question ( not a statement)
If I buy a piece of art and decide to sell it ( by the way I have never sold a piece of art in my life) for whatever reason, no matter how noble............................
In purely technical terms of what a bagger/flipper/tout is,
what does that make me???
remember just a questions.........................................
I'll start of by saying I can't condone touts or the bagging and flipping of prints, by a person who never intended to keep the art they had just purchased................................ but....................... Just a question ( not a statement) If I buy a piece of art and decide to sell it ( by the way I have never sold a piece of art in my life) for whatever reason, no matter how noble............................ In purely technical terms of what a bagger/flipper/tout is, what does that make me??? remember just a questions......................................... |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by tomhills1 on Jul 25, 2007 18:41:06 GMT 1, i have to take issue with you slightly pezlow, i'm sure the discussions are boring and more so, there is no right or wrong, just opinions. what i totally disagree with is the notion of the p***s exstention mentality of 'how many' and 'which' prints you own.
for the record i own two banksy's, flag and grin reaper and jamie hewletts the hick, all hanging proudly in my house. i have opinions on a lot of things and try to air them as often as i can on this forum, doesn't make me right or wrong, they're just my views. i don't subscribe to this wholesale 'buy now, decide if i like it later' method and if i don't pass it on. i prefer to wait and see if an image grows on me and if i choose to own said image i will try as hard as i can to aquire that print or image.
now this may cost me dear in the long run and has already set me back in the thousands but so be it.
the prints i've aquired have been from sellers with serious collections who are making room for new work, trying to claw back some cash and selling to me at no more than the current market value. good luck to them. my issue is with those that hoover up all sorts and have it up for sale/swap before the week is out. i don't think i'm wrong to be put out by these sorts, they help to drive up re-sale costs so that when i do decide to buy, the current values are somewhat bloated.
now maybe if i bought all and sundry, then made up my mind before letting them go or holding on, i would be substantially better off but i feel that if you are not in love with a piece of art then why buy it? i feel well within my rights to criticise those that choose only to heighten the mass hysteria that surrounds this scene right now.
good luck to those who buy most of what they like but room dictates what stays and what goes, therefore the odd clear-out arises and i don't expect anyone to sell at less than current value. my little moan may sound like i'm bitter, i'm really not, we can't have everything we want and if those that condone the touts accepted that then they would aprove of their existence for the benefit of re-sale, that is a by-product of growing collections.
i have never and will never agree with those depriving others of an opportunity purely to line their own pockets. 'i'm alright jack': why don't you go f*ck yourself.
sorry pezlow but i feel a moan is fully justified and totally relavent.
i have to take issue with you slightly pezlow, i'm sure the discussions are boring and more so, there is no right or wrong, just opinions. what i totally disagree with is the notion of the p***s exstention mentality of 'how many' and 'which' prints you own.
for the record i own two banksy's, flag and grin reaper and jamie hewletts the hick, all hanging proudly in my house. i have opinions on a lot of things and try to air them as often as i can on this forum, doesn't make me right or wrong, they're just my views. i don't subscribe to this wholesale 'buy now, decide if i like it later' method and if i don't pass it on. i prefer to wait and see if an image grows on me and if i choose to own said image i will try as hard as i can to aquire that print or image.
now this may cost me dear in the long run and has already set me back in the thousands but so be it.
the prints i've aquired have been from sellers with serious collections who are making room for new work, trying to claw back some cash and selling to me at no more than the current market value. good luck to them. my issue is with those that hoover up all sorts and have it up for sale/swap before the week is out. i don't think i'm wrong to be put out by these sorts, they help to drive up re-sale costs so that when i do decide to buy, the current values are somewhat bloated.
now maybe if i bought all and sundry, then made up my mind before letting them go or holding on, i would be substantially better off but i feel that if you are not in love with a piece of art then why buy it? i feel well within my rights to criticise those that choose only to heighten the mass hysteria that surrounds this scene right now.
good luck to those who buy most of what they like but room dictates what stays and what goes, therefore the odd clear-out arises and i don't expect anyone to sell at less than current value. my little moan may sound like i'm bitter, i'm really not, we can't have everything we want and if those that condone the touts accepted that then they would aprove of their existence for the benefit of re-sale, that is a by-product of growing collections.
i have never and will never agree with those depriving others of an opportunity purely to line their own pockets. 'i'm alright jack': why don't you go f*ck yourself.
sorry pezlow but i feel a moan is fully justified and totally relavent.
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by pezlow on Jul 26, 2007 9:22:34 GMT 1, I don't think we are really disagreeing Tom. You obviously have considerable more restraint than me and many other on this forum and another hat is on its way to you
Of course we all like to have a moan sometimes and I wasn't having a go at zippy for moaning, I just don't think there is much point in doing so. The flippers and baggers etc are just part of the scene for the moment. I'm certainly not defending them.
I don't think we are really disagreeing Tom. You obviously have considerable more restraint than me and many other on this forum and another hat is on its way to you Of course we all like to have a moan sometimes and I wasn't having a go at zippy for moaning, I just don't think there is much point in doing so. The flippers and baggers etc are just part of the scene for the moment. I'm certainly not defending them. |
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Beejoir π¬π§ LV Child β’ Imodium β’ Colour of Money, by johnas on Aug 2, 2007 10:05:40 GMT 1, seems beejoir's ladder mate got messed about and he's relisted it....
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seems beejoir's ladder mate got messed about and he's relisted it....
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