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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Unica on Jan 17, 2017 6:13:29 GMT 1, Anyone want to take a guess at what they will sell for?
Anyone want to take a guess at what they will sell for?
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by jluhiex on Jan 17, 2017 7:28:30 GMT 1, Not sure how strong the Banksy market is in Asia but with the $ conversion I would say anywhere within the estimates is a bargain. Bluechippers like Warhol always command top dollar no matter where but I've noticed Asian countries love Nara, Kusama, KAWS...verdicts still out on how Bansky will fare.
Not sure how strong the Banksy market is in Asia but with the $ conversion I would say anywhere within the estimates is a bargain. Bluechippers like Warhol always command top dollar no matter where but I've noticed Asian countries love Nara, Kusama, KAWS...verdicts still out on how Bansky will fare.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by erik on Jan 17, 2017 8:28:42 GMT 1, The monkey should do well, my guess is over 120k GBP. The Elephant seems to be a gift canvas without COA...will not do so well.
The monkey should do well, my guess is over 120k GBP. The Elephant seems to be a gift canvas without COA...will not do so well.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Peter Bengtsen on Jan 17, 2017 11:01:02 GMT 1, The monkey should do well, my guess is over 120k GBP. The Elephant seems to be a gift canvas without COA...will not do so well.
some one will get burn with the Elephant with out COA, is a gifted print so will never get one
Actually, if you click on the Saleroom Notice you get a pop-up window that states: "This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control."
The monkey should do well, my guess is over 120k GBP. The Elephant seems to be a gift canvas without COA...will not do so well. some one will get burn with the Elephant with out COA, is a gifted print so will never get one Actually, if you click on the Saleroom Notice you get a pop-up window that states: "This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control." |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Hubble Bubble on Jan 17, 2017 12:20:33 GMT 1, The monkey should do well, my guess is over 120k GBP. The Elephant seems to be a gift canvas without COA...will not do so well. some one will get burn with the Elephant with out COA, is a gifted print so will never get one Actually, if you click on the Saleroom Notice you get a pop-up window that states: "This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control." 
The monkey should do well, my guess is over 120k GBP. The Elephant seems to be a gift canvas without COA...will not do so well. some one will get burn with the Elephant with out COA, is a gifted print so will never get one Actually, if you click on the Saleroom Notice you get a pop-up window that states: "This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity issued by Pest Control." Yes, Peter, that's all well and good. But that would mean the forum couldn't speculate wildly. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Hubble Bubble on Jan 17, 2017 12:49:59 GMT 1, Yes, Peter, that's all well and good. But that would mean the forum couldn't speculate wildly. hi hubble, have you contact them?? or you misleading people again... before you talk do you home work Save
Yes, Peter, that's all well and good. But that would mean the forum couldn't speculate wildly. hi hubble, have you contact them?? or you misleading people again... before you talk do you home work Saveeh? |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Unica on Jan 17, 2017 13:23:33 GMT 1, Indeed it does have Pest Control according to the Salesroom notice, so authenticity is not a problem. I haven't seen one of these in a square format before. I expect it will do quite well.
Indeed it does have Pest Control according to the Salesroom notice, so authenticity is not a problem. I haven't seen one of these in a square format before. I expect it will do quite well.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Poster Bob on Jan 17, 2017 15:24:24 GMT 1, It's a tiny canvas. What are the standard edition of 25 currently selling for?
It's a tiny canvas. What are the standard edition of 25 currently selling for?
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Peter Bengtsen on Jan 17, 2017 18:03:53 GMT 1, Indeed it does have Pest Control according to the Salesroom notice, so authenticity is not a problem. I haven't seen one of these in a square format before. I expect it will do quite well. Have you contact them??
I think the more reasonable question is: have you?
What I wrote, and what Unica also mentions, is that according to the Salesroom Notice for the listing, the piece has a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control.
If you have information to the contrary directly from the auction house, it would be good to know.
Indeed it does have Pest Control according to the Salesroom notice, so authenticity is not a problem. I haven't seen one of these in a square format before. I expect it will do quite well. Have you contact them?? I think the more reasonable question is: have you? What I wrote, and what Unica also mentions, is that according to the Salesroom Notice for the listing, the piece has a certificate of authenticity from Pest Control. If you have information to the contrary directly from the auction house, it would be good to know. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Criminal Mischief on Jan 17, 2017 18:09:09 GMT 1, A lot of nice stuff up for grabs in that auction.
A lot of nice stuff up for grabs in that auction.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by wisky on Jan 17, 2017 18:34:21 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real
90k GBP for heavy weaponry
210k GBP for Keep it real
90k GBP for heavy weaponry
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Aza on Jan 17, 2017 18:54:19 GMT 1, Wow!
Wow!
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Unica on Jan 17, 2017 18:59:18 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry
Wisky, I appreciate you taking a guess at the price. IMO you may be on the high side, I'm going with ยฃ110k KR and ยฃ75k on the HW with BP. We shall see.
210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry Regarding Pest Control, I don't think any of the major auction houses would sell a Banksy piece without the PC COA. Wisky, I appreciate you taking a guess at the price. IMO you may be on the high side, I'm going with ยฃ110k KR and ยฃ75k on the HW with BP. We shall see. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by lee3 on Jan 17, 2017 19:03:10 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry
Banksy
Title Keep it real
Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap
Medium stencil spraypaint
Year of Work 2002
Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed
Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art
Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD)
Sold For Bought In
210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Gangsta Nola on Jan 17, 2017 20:44:11 GMT 1, I guess someone will keep us informed of the final hammers !
I guess someone will keep us informed of the final hammers !
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by covertshadowops on Jan 19, 2017 12:56:34 GMT 1, Monkey hammered (in the room) at 750,000HKD plus 25% = 937,500HKD / ยฃ98K (also add artist resale rights to this at 3% i think)
Elephant hammered (online) at 650,000HKD plus 25% = 812,500HKD / ยฃ85K (also add artist resale rights to this at 3% i think)
Monkey hammered (in the room) at 750,000HKD plus 25% = 937,500HKD / ยฃ98K (also add artist resale rights to this at 3% i think)
Elephant hammered (online) at 650,000HKD plus 25% = 812,500HKD / ยฃ85K (also add artist resale rights to this at 3% i think)
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by erik on Jan 19, 2017 12:57:24 GMT 1, From what I could gather with exchange rates BP and everything, the final sales prices were: 98k pounds for the monkey and 85k pounds for the elephant.
From what I could gather with exchange rates BP and everything, the final sales prices were: 98k pounds for the monkey and 85k pounds for the elephant.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:12:07 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In
are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction?
210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction? |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:16:54 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry
210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry You are wrong. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by jluhiex on Jan 19, 2017 13:41:34 GMT 1, Asians are very superstitious. Keep it real went for way lower than expected. Heavy weaponry not bad.
On a side note...KAWS, Nara are insanely sought after in Asia. Pretty much everything went 20% over estimate. I still don't think Banksy is catching on in Asia yet.
Asians are very superstitious. Keep it real went for way lower than expected. Heavy weaponry not bad.
On a side note...KAWS, Nara are insanely sought after in Asia. Pretty much everything went 20% over estimate. I still don't think Banksy is catching on in Asia yet.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:48:02 GMT 1, if I were going to sell a Banksy it deffo wouldnt be in an asian auction.
KAWS yes.
if I were going to sell a Banksy it deffo wouldnt be in an asian auction.
KAWS yes.
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by jluhiex on Jan 19, 2017 13:56:13 GMT 1, if I were going to sell a Banksy it deffo wouldnt be in an asian auction. KAWS yes.
if I were going to sell a Banksy it deffo wouldnt be in an asian auction. KAWS yes. That KAWS x Sorayama NFC has been insanely hot. $16k USD hammer price. I remember when these were $1k USD not too long ago. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by shygetshigh83 on Jan 19, 2017 14:01:37 GMT 1, if I ย were going to sell a Banksy it deffo wouldnt be in an asian auction. KAWS yes. That KAWS x Sorayama NFC has been insanely hot. $16k USD hammer price. I remember when these were $1k USD not too long ago.
God bless my two Kaws x Sorayamas!
if I ย were going to sell a Banksy it deffo wouldnt be in an asian auction. KAWS yes. That KAWS x Sorayama NFC has been insanely hot. $16k USD hammer price. I remember when these were $1k USD not too long ago. God bless my two Kaws x Sorayamas! |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by sharky on Jan 19, 2017 16:18:56 GMT 1, These the results data from Sotheby's website:
HEAVY WEAPONRY
LOT SOLD. 812,500 HKD (85,355 GBP) (Hammer Price with Buyer's Premium)
KEEP IT REAL
LOT SOLD. 937,500 HKD (98,486 GBP) (Hammer Price with Buyer's Premium)
These the results data from Sotheby's website:
HEAVY WEAPONRY
LOT SOLD. 812,500 HKD (85,355 GBP) (Hammer Price with Buyer's Premium)
KEEP IT REAL
LOT SOLD. 937,500 HKD (98,486 GBP) (Hammer Price with Buyer's Premium)
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 16:54:10 GMT 1, A fun tool do seperate the actual value of the artworks hammered at auction vs the costs associated with the "privilege" of purchasing said artwork. It is in many people's personal interest to roll an auction house's sourcing fees, government tax implications and facilitation commissions into the precieved value of the hammered artwork itself.
If you pay a someone privately or commercially to source a piece for you and they tack on 20% for the service it does not necessarily instantly make your artwork 20% more valuable. If you decide to pay by credit card vs cash and add 3.5% in fees the piece does not just increase in value by 3.5%.
This is just my personal thought process and doesn't necessarily make what I am saying a fact my any means.
fusion.net/story/18599/introducing-gavel-the-auction-calculator/
A fun tool do seperate the actual value of the artworks hammered at auction vs the costs associated with the "privilege" of purchasing said artwork. It is in many people's personal interest to roll an auction house's sourcing fees, government tax implications and facilitation commissions into the precieved value of the hammered artwork itself. If you pay a someone privately or commercially to source a piece for you and they tack on 20% for the service it does not necessarily instantly make your artwork 20% more valuable. If you decide to pay by credit card vs cash and add 3.5% in fees the piece does not just increase in value by 3.5%. This is just my personal thought process and doesn't necessarily make what I am saying a fact my any means. fusion.net/story/18599/introducing-gavel-the-auction-calculator/ |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by covertshadowops on Jan 19, 2017 17:35:28 GMT 1, the only HW for sale right now is in a gallery in Germany for 136,000euros + vat so still good price for any of those canvas
the only HW for sale right now is in a gallery in Germany for 136,000euros + vat so still good price for any of those canvas maybe i will sell my HW canvas.... i will let it go for less than 136K euros. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by lee3 on Jan 19, 2017 17:51:29 GMT 1, I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction?
Looking back, it was probably commonplace in '09 for many art lovers to wonder aloud if they would have paid the low estimate for works as the market was quickly hitting its bottom. Those auctions were littered with unsold works on the heels of outrageous prices (and a top) in '08. We certainly didn't know it at the time but the first half of '09 was arguably the worst half year for auctions from a selling standpoint so far this century.
I can't see that kind of number for keep it real, can you? I vividly recall the example below going unsold in early '09 (granted the world was a much different place at that time). I entered a post sale bid with a few others and exited the bidding within the estimate range; it eventually sold to someone else for a touch over the high estimate. It's the only example that I can recall in my collecting years where something was unsold at auction and then exceeded the high estimate post sale. Regardless, 8 years ago now but still seems like the blink of an eye. I'd guess both works sell in the $75-100k range but pure speculation on my part. Relative to the discussion above, we can be certain that any Banksy that is offered at the primary auction houses will have a COA. Neither house would place a work in a sale without confirming authenticity beforehand. Banksy Title Keep it real Description Banksy (British, born 1975)'Keep It Real', 2002 signed in stencil on the overlap Medium stencil spraypaint Year of Work 2002 Size Height 8 in.; Width 8 in. / Height 20.3 cm.; Width 20.3 cm. Misc. Signed Sale of Bonhams London: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 [Lot 00077]Urban Art Estimate 15,000 - 20,000 GBP (18,070 - 24,093 USD) Sold For Bought In are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction? Goodness no, although that's odd speculation. It was simply a case where the fact that it didn't sell surprised me as I reviewed the auction outcomes. That in turn led to a phone call to the house and the rest of the boring story. Looking back, it was probably commonplace in '09 for many art lovers to wonder aloud if they would have paid the low estimate for works as the market was quickly hitting its bottom. Those auctions were littered with unsold works on the heels of outrageous prices (and a top) in '08. We certainly didn't know it at the time but the first half of '09 was arguably the worst half year for auctions from a selling standpoint so far this century. |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by wisky on Jan 19, 2017 18:45:41 GMT 1, 210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry You are wrong.
210k GBP for Keep it real 90k GBP for heavy weaponry You are wrong. Was actually 100% correct for the Heavy weaponry and I think that the Keep it real was a comparative bargain (That's if you have 100k spare) |
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Banksy Sotheby's Jan 19th , by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 18:58:33 GMT 1, are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction? Goodness no, although that's odd speculation. It was simply a case where the fact that it didn't sell surprised me as I reviewed the auction outcomes. That in turn led to a phone call to the house and the rest of the boring story. Looking back, it was probably commonplace in '09 for many art lovers to wonder aloud if they would have paid the low estimate for works as the market was quickly hitting its bottom. Those auctions were littered with unsold works on the heels of outrageous prices (and a top) in '08. We certainly didn't know it at the time but the first half of '09 was arguably the worst half year for auctions from a selling standpoint so far this century.
I guess the auction houses have to make sales whether it's at auction or after in private.
The prices for art these days are crazy, mega high.
To me it's similar to a pyramid scheme where as long as people keep feeding into the art bubble it will continue and sellers will get a return but if one day there are no more hedge fund managers investing other peoples money and earning huge commissions, prices will drop.
The % and salary difference regarding the bosses and rich speculators these days compared with peoples wages used to be about 30 times as much and today it's about 300 times as much per year I read somewhere.
All in all people pay tens or hundreds of thousands for very average art as an investment, or as a social status symbol.
That's how it looks to me.
We had the Brit art and now we have urban art.
Whats next I wonder?
are you saying you didn't bid on it during the auction in order to get it at a lower price after the auction? Goodness no, although that's odd speculation. It was simply a case where the fact that it didn't sell surprised me as I reviewed the auction outcomes. That in turn led to a phone call to the house and the rest of the boring story. Looking back, it was probably commonplace in '09 for many art lovers to wonder aloud if they would have paid the low estimate for works as the market was quickly hitting its bottom. Those auctions were littered with unsold works on the heels of outrageous prices (and a top) in '08. We certainly didn't know it at the time but the first half of '09 was arguably the worst half year for auctions from a selling standpoint so far this century. Lol, I guess the auction houses have to make sales whether it's at auction or after in private. The prices for art these days are crazy, mega high. To me it's similar to a pyramid scheme where as long as people keep feeding into the art bubble it will continue and sellers will get a return but if one day there are no more hedge fund managers investing other peoples money and earning huge commissions, prices will drop. The % and salary difference regarding the bosses and rich speculators these days compared with peoples wages used to be about 30 times as much and today it's about 300 times as much per year I read somewhere. All in all people pay tens or hundreds of thousands for very average art as an investment, or as a social status symbol. That's how it looks to me. We had the Brit art and now we have urban art. Whats next I wonder? |
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