Chris JL
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 20, 2018 20:01:13 GMT 1, Itโs โlosersโ because the fools always despise what they donโt understand. But said by fools, itโs obviously a compliment. I tip my hat to the ones on the streets today. You mean the 17.5 million fools that decided to leave and the 16.2 million that despise everyone that did
I personally respect and pity most of them - I only despise the ones that, like you and your buddy for instance, from the height of their intellectual shallowness, float insults around since they canโt make a valid argument. ๐
Itโs โlosersโ because the fools always despise what they donโt understand. But said by fools, itโs obviously a compliment. I tip my hat to the ones on the streets today. You mean the 17.5 million fools that decided to leave and the 16.2 million that despise everyone that did I personally respect and pity most of them - I only despise the ones that, like you and your buddy for instance, from the height of their intellectual shallowness, float insults around since they canโt make a valid argument. ๐ |
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Oct 20, 2018 20:20:56 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 20, 2018 20:20:56 GMT 1, You mean the 17.5 million fools that decided to leave and the 16.2 million that despise everyone that did I personally respect and pity most of them - I only despise the ones that, like you and your buddy for instance, from the height of their intellectual shallowness, float insults around since they canโt make a valid argument. ๐
Iโm sure your patronising pity will be very much appreciated
You mean the 17.5 million fools that decided to leave and the 16.2 million that despise everyone that did I personally respect and pity most of them - I only despise the ones that, like you and your buddy for instance, from the height of their intellectual shallowness, float insults around since they canโt make a valid argument. ๐ Iโm sure your patronising pity will be very much appreciated |
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moron
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Oct 20, 2018 20:33:45 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Oct 20, 2018 20:33:45 GMT 1, I don't believe Corbyn or Labour have any principles at all. Corbyn is a liar. I am glad that he will never be prime minister. Corbyn and Mc Donnell have lost Labour more voters than they have gained. McDonnell publicly stating that he is a marxist and Corbyns gaffes supporting terrorists have made a lot of Labour voters think that labour today is a cult. Labour council in Rotherham etc covering up abuse too made a lot of people see the real side of these far left new marxists. Corbyn sacked Sarah Champion for trying to protect victims and stating facts. www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-40955853/sarah-champion-jeremy-corbyn-reacts-to-resignation# Morning Here I don't mean to nit pick here but calling corbyn and McDonnell far left new marxists is pretty silly considering that they are both fairly central old school marxists. It also makes me think you have been delving into the so called intellectual dark web which is far from intellectual and youtube is not exactly the dark web. There. Nitpicking done.
I don't believe Corbyn or Labour have any principles at all. Corbyn is a liar. I am glad that he will never be prime minister. Corbyn and Mc Donnell have lost Labour more voters than they have gained. McDonnell publicly stating that he is a marxist and Corbyns gaffes supporting terrorists have made a lot of Labour voters think that labour today is a cult. Labour council in Rotherham etc covering up abuse too made a lot of people see the real side of these far left new marxists. Corbyn sacked Sarah Champion for trying to protect victims and stating facts. www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-40955853/sarah-champion-jeremy-corbyn-reacts-to-resignation# Morning Here I don't mean to nit pick here but calling corbyn and McDonnell far left new marxists is pretty silly considering that they are both fairly central old school marxists. It also makes me think you have been delving into the so called intellectual dark web which is far from intellectual and youtube is not exactly the dark web. There. Nitpicking done. Delving in which way? |
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Oct 20, 2018 20:42:43 GMT 1
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moron
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Oct 20, 2018 20:49:47 GMT 1
Brexit, by moron on Oct 20, 2018 20:49:47 GMT 1, To be fair to the remainers who want a second vote.
"Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum
17 May 2016
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"The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."
www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681
Farage is a hypocrit.
Also a lot changes very quickly in politics these days. Since the result the game has changed and what people were told they will get, many now know that is virtually impossible.
Migration will not go down. Jobs will not increase and neither will the standard of living. Many seasonal workers from the UK in resorts in summer and winter in the EU could be replaced with Europeans from EU countries. Small firms supplying European companies etc under contracts could find that tarrifs could make their services too expensive.
People were promised all sorts of positive things if they voted leave and now know those promises were made up. It's like telling voters they will all be able to drive a brand new Jaguar sports car after Brexit and then when negotiations come, will learn that they can only drive it in Milton keynes.
The Irish border between N and S Ireland is easily resolved but May and the Tories refuse to resolve it in the only way that is acceptable for Brexit to be realised is to have a border customs control between EU and UK which means having the border between N and S Ireland too.
If they do not have a border between N and S Ireland then the UK will remain part of the EU.
May is up the creek without a paddle and undertstandable that she is pushing for a longer transition period which means the next election and change of Tory leader or even change of political party and a new non Conservative Prime Minister. I also think she is being very careful as whatever decision or agreement is made today between UK pullout and EU could cause huge problems in the future.
In reality it looks like having a vote was fair enough but also that the majority of people voted for something entirely different than they thought they were voting for and also that no one who voted stay or leave will actually get what they voted for.
To be fair to the remainers who want a second vote. "Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum
17 May 2016
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"The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way." www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681 Farage is a hypocrit. Also a lot changes very quickly in politics these days. Since the result the game has changed and what people were told they will get, many now know that is virtually impossible. Migration will not go down. Jobs will not increase and neither will the standard of living. Many seasonal workers from the UK in resorts in summer and winter in the EU could be replaced with Europeans from EU countries. Small firms supplying European companies etc under contracts could find that tarrifs could make their services too expensive. People were promised all sorts of positive things if they voted leave and now know those promises were made up. It's like telling voters they will all be able to drive a brand new Jaguar sports car after Brexit and then when negotiations come, will learn that they can only drive it in Milton keynes. The Irish border between N and S Ireland is easily resolved but May and the Tories refuse to resolve it in the only way that is acceptable for Brexit to be realised is to have a border customs control between EU and UK which means having the border between N and S Ireland too. If they do not have a border between N and S Ireland then the UK will remain part of the EU. May is up the creek without a paddle and undertstandable that she is pushing for a longer transition period which means the next election and change of Tory leader or even change of political party and a new non Conservative Prime Minister. I also think she is being very careful as whatever decision or agreement is made today between UK pullout and EU could cause huge problems in the future. In reality it looks like having a vote was fair enough but also that the majority of people voted for something entirely different than they thought they were voting for and also that no one who voted stay or leave will actually get what they voted for. |
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Oct 20, 2018 21:17:54 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 21:17:54 GMT 1, Some of you have quite amazing crystal balls... those are some very negative and hugely contradictory predictions 
Some of you have quite amazing crystal balls... those are some very negative and hugely contradictory predictions |
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Oct 21, 2018 11:05:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 11:05:50 GMT 1, To be fair to the remainers who want a second vote. "Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum
17 May 2016
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"The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way." www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681 Farage is a hypocrit. Also a lot changes very quickly in politics these days. Since the result the game has changed and what people were told they will get, many now know that is virtually impossible. Migration will not go down. Jobs will not increase and neither will the standard of living. Many seasonal workers from the UK in resorts in summer and winter in the EU could be replaced with Europeans from EU countries. Small firms supplying European companies etc under contracts could find that tarrifs could make their services too expensive. People were promised all sorts of positive things if they voted leave and now know those promises were made up. It's like telling voters they will all be able to drive a brand new Jaguar sports car after Brexit and then when negotiations come, will learn that they can only drive it in Milton keynes. The Irish border between N and S Ireland is easily resolved but May and the Tories refuse to resolve it in the only way that is acceptable for Brexit to be realised is to have a border customs control between EU and UK which means having the border between N and S Ireland too. If they do not have a border between N and S Ireland then the UK will remain part of the EU. May is up the creek without a paddle and undertstandable that she is pushing for a longer transition period which means the next election and change of Tory leader or even change of political party and a new non Conservative Prime Minister. I also think she is being very careful as whatever decision or agreement is made today between UK pullout and EU could cause huge problems in the future. In reality it looks like having a vote was fair enough but also that the majority of people voted for something entirely different than they thought they were voting for and also that no one who voted stay or leave will actually get what they voted for.
The Northern Ireland border question was always going to be a problem (even if Labour were in charge). Despite the DUP huffing and puffing and showing off, they just have to accept that there will be a border either between the North and the South, or down the middle of the Irish Sea. There has to be a border whether anyone wants one or not. The DUP and the Tory government have to start facing facts and stop living in fantasy land.
To be fair to the remainers who want a second vote. "Nigel Farage: Narrow Remain win may lead to second referendum
17 May 2016
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"The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way." www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681 Farage is a hypocrit. Also a lot changes very quickly in politics these days. Since the result the game has changed and what people were told they will get, many now know that is virtually impossible. Migration will not go down. Jobs will not increase and neither will the standard of living. Many seasonal workers from the UK in resorts in summer and winter in the EU could be replaced with Europeans from EU countries. Small firms supplying European companies etc under contracts could find that tarrifs could make their services too expensive. People were promised all sorts of positive things if they voted leave and now know those promises were made up. It's like telling voters they will all be able to drive a brand new Jaguar sports car after Brexit and then when negotiations come, will learn that they can only drive it in Milton keynes. The Irish border between N and S Ireland is easily resolved but May and the Tories refuse to resolve it in the only way that is acceptable for Brexit to be realised is to have a border customs control between EU and UK which means having the border between N and S Ireland too. If they do not have a border between N and S Ireland then the UK will remain part of the EU. May is up the creek without a paddle and undertstandable that she is pushing for a longer transition period which means the next election and change of Tory leader or even change of political party and a new non Conservative Prime Minister. I also think she is being very careful as whatever decision or agreement is made today between UK pullout and EU could cause huge problems in the future. In reality it looks like having a vote was fair enough but also that the majority of people voted for something entirely different than they thought they were voting for and also that no one who voted stay or leave will actually get what they voted for. Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds. People who voted to leave still want to leave. And I know a couple of Remainers who say they would now vote Leave as they think the EU have treated us really badly during the Brexit negotiations and even if we changed out minds, they would not suddenly welcome us back with open arms. We would always be the outsiders. The Northern Ireland border question was always going to be a problem (even if Labour were in charge). Despite the DUP huffing and puffing and showing off, they just have to accept that there will be a border either between the North and the South, or down the middle of the Irish Sea. There has to be a border whether anyone wants one or not. The DUP and the Tory government have to start facing facts and stop living in fantasy land. |
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Chris JL
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 21, 2018 11:33:18 GMT 1, Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds.
Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp (and 0.97M by the remain camp).
And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get.
*as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow thanks to the large sample (15k people). But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal.
Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds. Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp (and 0.97M by the remain camp). And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow thanks to the large sample (15k people). But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal. |
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 21, 2018 11:43:32 GMT 1, Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds. Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp. And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow. But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal.
Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one
Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds. Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp. And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow. But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal. Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one |
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Oct 21, 2018 12:25:43 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 12:25:43 GMT 1, Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp. And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow. But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal. Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one
What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? Do we have another general election 3 months later? Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan?
Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp. And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow. But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal. Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? Do we have another general election 3 months later? Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan? |
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Chris JL
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 21, 2018 12:32:00 GMT 1, Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? Do we have another general election 3 months later? Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan?
I see your point. But you seem to confuse democracy and majoritarianism. Check it out - two very different concepts. The former is what most civil societies are based upon. The latter, tends to generate monsters.
Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? Do we have another general election 3 months later? Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan? I see your point. But you seem to confuse democracy and majoritarianism. Check it out - two very different concepts. The former is what most civil societies are based upon. The latter, tends to generate monsters. |
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Brexit, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Oct 21, 2018 20:21:32 GMT 1, Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. ย I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. ย This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. ย The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. ย It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? ย What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? ย Do we have another general election 3 months later? ย Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan? ย
Good post, there should never be a second vote..I was home to uk for three weeks holiday and all over tv โsecond referendum bla bla blaโ people have spoken, now just exit ffs!! There will be ups and downs but country will come back strong and other countries likely to follow.
Think everyone knows that the sands have shifted. If they hadn't there'd be no resistance from the Leavers to a further vote. As it is, they're all terrified there will be one I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. ย I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. ย This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. ย The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. ย It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? ย What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? ย Do we have another general election 3 months later? ย Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan? ย Good post, there should never be a second vote..I was home to uk for three weeks holiday and all over tv โsecond referendum bla bla blaโ people have spoken, now just exit ffs!! There will be ups and downs but country will come back strong and other countries likely to follow. |
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Oct 21, 2018 20:51:44 GMT 1
Brexit, by ferg on Oct 21, 2018 20:51:44 GMT 1, Brexit will happen and the EU should not have been so awkward in the settlement as it would never had happened if they hadnโt opened โ Europeโs bordersโ and allowed Uncle Tom Cobley and all to enter.
Brexit will happen and the EU should not have been so awkward in the settlement as it would never had happened if they hadnโt opened โ Europeโs bordersโ and allowed Uncle Tom Cobley and all to enter.
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Oct 21, 2018 20:59:25 GMT 1
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Brexit, by k2 on Oct 21, 2018 20:59:25 GMT 1, Brexit will happen and the EU should not have been so awkward in the settlement as it would never had happened if they hadnโt opened โ Europeโs bordersโ and allowed Uncle Tom Cobley and all to enter.
This is a regrettably ugly comment, but we are all entitled to our opinion I suppose.
Brexit will happen and the EU should not have been so awkward in the settlement as it would never had happened if they hadnโt opened โ Europeโs bordersโ and allowed Uncle Tom Cobley and all to enter. This is a regrettably ugly comment, but we are all entitled to our opinion I suppose. |
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Oct 21, 2018 21:24:34 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 21:24:34 GMT 1, Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds. Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp (and 0.97M by the remain camp). And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow thanks to the large sample (15k people). But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal.
maybe a game with Noel Edmonds at the helm could provide the answer to this !
Whilst I agree with most of what you say, it seems the majority of people (bizarrely) have not changed their minds. Not sure on what your claim is based on, but an estimated* 2.6M have been lost by the leave camp (and 0.97M by the remain camp). And they still havenโt seen the crappy deal (or no deal) weโll get. *as usual, statistical error applies, but confidence bands seem narrow thanks to the large sample (15k people). But the camp loosing tons of votes is very consistent with the Brexiteer politicians wanting anything possible but a vote on the final deal. maybe a game with Noel Edmonds at the helm could provide the answer to this ! |
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Oct 21, 2018 21:44:04 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 21, 2018 21:44:04 GMT 1, I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. ย I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. ย This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. ย The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. ย It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? ย What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? ย Do we have another general election 3 months later? ย Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan? ย Good post, there should never be a second vote..I was home to uk for three weeks holiday and all over tv โsecond referendum bla bla blaโ people have spoken, now just exit ffs!! There will be ups and downs but country will come back strong and other countries likely to follow.
We've already had a 2nd vote. The next, which I personally think will happen, will be the 3rd.
As for the 'now just exit ffs' comment, Im sorry, but it has to be one of the most idiotic comments in the debate. What do you mean and how will it happen?
I am a Remainer (always have been) but I am also against a second referendum. ย I think those asking for one are on very dodgy ground. ย This would undermine our democracy and make people even more disillusioned about politicians and voting in the future. ย The Brexiters would, quite rightly, feel they have been betrayed and kicked in the teeth. ย It would open a huge can of worms, the consequences of which we can only guess at. What happens at future general elections when the votes are just as close (which they well might be)? ย What happens if Labour just win by a tiny percentage, and then fail to keep one of their election promises? ย Do we have another general election 3 months later? ย Do we bring down each successive government each time things don't go exactly to plan? ย Good post, there should never be a second vote..I was home to uk for three weeks holiday and all over tv โsecond referendum bla bla blaโ people have spoken, now just exit ffs!! There will be ups and downs but country will come back strong and other countries likely to follow. We've already had a 2nd vote. The next, which I personally think will happen, will be the 3rd. As for the 'now just exit ffs' comment, Im sorry, but it has to be one of the most idiotic comments in the debate. What do you mean and how will it happen? |
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Oct 21, 2018 21:56:37 GMT 1
Brexit, by ferg on Oct 21, 2018 21:56:37 GMT 1, Iโm sorry you find my โopinion ugly โ and have misrepresented me. I was stating a fact not my opinion many political analysts have cited the lack of European border control as the biggest single factor that made the British vote to leave the EU. Just for the record I voted remain.
Iโm sorry you find my โopinion ugly โ and have misrepresented me. I was stating a fact not my opinion many political analysts have cited the lack of European border control as the biggest single factor that made the British vote to leave the EU. Just for the record I voted remain.
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 21, 2018 22:30:39 GMT 1,
Very good list. Indeed, 90+% of the EU policies that Brexiteers blame on the โEU politiciansโ (including austerity and expansion to the east, and south east), had the UK as key cheerleader and sponsor.
Also, Iโm sick of hearing โEU policies.โ These are policies that the British politicians (as well as the French and Italians ones and the other various anti-EU hypocrites), and their electorate, fully own. But obviously, itโs the fault of โthe other.โ The EU has become the fig leaf behind which incompetent political classes - all over Europe - try to hide their shortcomings.
Fun fact: if the UK had had its way, Turkey and Russia would be in the EU by now. I wonder how the xeno- and islamo-phobes would have liked that.
Very good list. Indeed, 90+% of the EU policies that Brexiteers blame on the โEU politiciansโ (including austerity and expansion to the east, and south east), had the UK as key cheerleader and sponsor. Also, Iโm sick of hearing โEU policies.โ These are policies that the British politicians (as well as the French and Italians ones and the other various anti-EU hypocrites), and their electorate, fully own. But obviously, itโs the fault of โthe other.โ The EU has become the fig leaf behind which incompetent political classes - all over Europe - try to hide their shortcomings. Fun fact: if the UK had had its way, Turkey and Russia would be in the EU by now. I wonder how the xeno- and islamo-phobes would have liked that. |
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Oct 22, 2018 5:47:49 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daniel Silk on Oct 22, 2018 5:47:49 GMT 1, A lot of truth in that I think.
Sadly in Europe or anywhere in the World, the idea that we are all the same and all equal or more importantly we treat each other all the same and all equally is unrealistic. Countries have such different cultures and beliefs itโs impossible to expect unions like that to ever work in a positive way.
The UK barely holds together, and the United States clearly has its problems, countries like China have to rule over its people with an iron fist just to keep the country together. Expecting the people of Europe to get together around a table and agree about anything or do anything positive for the World is extremely unlikely.
A lot of truth in that I think. Sadly in Europe or anywhere in the World, the idea that we are all the same and all equal or more importantly we treat each other all the same and all equally is unrealistic. Countries have such different cultures and beliefs itโs impossible to expect unions like that to ever work in a positive way. The UK barely holds together, and the United States clearly has its problems, countries like China have to rule over its people with an iron fist just to keep the country together. Expecting the people of Europe to get together around a table and agree about anything or do anything positive for the World is extremely unlikely. |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 22, 2018 11:14:35 GMT 1, A lot of truth in that I think. Sadly in Europe or anywhere in the World, the idea that we are all the same and all equal or more importantly we treat each other all the same and all equally is unrealistic. Countries have such different cultures and beliefs itโs impossible to expect unions like that to ever work in a positive way. The UK barely holds together, and the United States clearly has its problems, countries like China have to rule over its people with an iron fist just to keep the country together. Expecting the people of Europe to get together around a table and agree about anything or do anything positive for the World is extremely unlikely.
A very old argument indeed. I can trace it back at least since classical Greece and the city-states. E.g.: was strongly pushed in imperial Rome against the extension of citizenship rights outside the walls of Rome itself; was repeatedly used against the creation of a state in Italy (the various municipalities and feudal remnants were clearly โculturally too differentโ); and mild variations of this argument have been used against extending civil rights to non-land owners, non-whites, non-Christians, non-male...
The fallacy of the argument is that culture is not a static given, but rather an endogenous [worth googling the term if unclear] outcome, and also a policy objective in the most noble sense.
Fortunately, โthe arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justiceโ (at least in the human history that we have known so far).
A lot of truth in that I think. Sadly in Europe or anywhere in the World, the idea that we are all the same and all equal or more importantly we treat each other all the same and all equally is unrealistic. Countries have such different cultures and beliefs itโs impossible to expect unions like that to ever work in a positive way. The UK barely holds together, and the United States clearly has its problems, countries like China have to rule over its people with an iron fist just to keep the country together. Expecting the people of Europe to get together around a table and agree about anything or do anything positive for the World is extremely unlikely. A very old argument indeed. I can trace it back at least since classical Greece and the city-states. E.g.: was strongly pushed in imperial Rome against the extension of citizenship rights outside the walls of Rome itself; was repeatedly used against the creation of a state in Italy (the various municipalities and feudal remnants were clearly โculturally too differentโ); and mild variations of this argument have been used against extending civil rights to non-land owners, non-whites, non-Christians, non-male... The fallacy of the argument is that culture is not a static given, but rather an endogenous [worth googling the term if unclear] outcome, and also a policy objective in the most noble sense. Fortunately, โthe arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justiceโ (at least in the human history that we have known so far). |
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Oct 22, 2018 11:17:13 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 11:17:13 GMT 1, It's a pity this article started with such a glaring falsehood...
"In that time, we've had a general election in which Theresa May's Brexit-championing Conservative party suffered substantial losses to Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit-championing Labour party."
The exact opposite is true. Both the Conservatives and Labour campaigned to remain in the EU. It was only the 'rebels' on both sides that campaigned for Brexit. I can't stand Donald Trump but it's hard to argue with his claim that there is plenty of fake news around these days. Even the Independent (one of the better quality newspapers) seems happy to publish these obvious errors.
It's a pity this article started with such a glaring falsehood... "In that time, we've had a general election in which Theresa May's Brexit-championing Conservative party suffered substantial losses to Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit-championing Labour party."
The exact opposite is true. Both the Conservatives and Labour campaigned to remain in the EU. It was only the 'rebels' on both sides that campaigned for Brexit. I can't stand Donald Trump but it's hard to argue with his claim that there is plenty of fake news around these days. Even the Independent (one of the better quality newspapers) seems happy to publish these obvious errors. |
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Oct 22, 2018 19:44:09 GMT 1
Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 22, 2018 19:44:09 GMT 1, I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available.
Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances.
I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available.
Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances.
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Oct 22, 2018 19:52:47 GMT 1
Brexit, by Pysgod on Oct 22, 2018 19:52:47 GMT 1, I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available. Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances.
I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available. Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances. Where do you read all you do ? |
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Oct 22, 2018 20:01:26 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 22, 2018 20:01:26 GMT 1, I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available. Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances. Where do you read all you do ?
Hansard.
I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available. Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances. Where do you read all you do ? Hansard. |
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Oct 22, 2018 20:06:25 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 20:06:25 GMT 1, I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available. Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances.
Lots of people seem to want to blame Teresa May but, let's face it, whatever happens in the end, she is going to have a mutiny on her hands.
I read today that since the EU Withdraw Act received Royal Assent last June, only 71 of the +800 Statutory Instruments needed to prepare the statute book for Exit day have been brought before Parliament. For context, that's less than 9% of the Statutory Instruments required in 45% of the time available. Time is running out for anyone to scrutinise any legislation. How can anyone be happy with the situation as it stands? They're making it up as they go along with zero checks and balances. I don't think anyone is happy; either the Brexiteers or the Remainers. And whatever happens it is not going to change. The main problem with this whole Brexit thing is that nobody wants to compromise; everyone is demanding the impossible. Lots of people seem to want to blame Teresa May but, let's face it, whatever happens in the end, she is going to have a mutiny on her hands. |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Oct 22, 2018 20:41:09 GMT 1, Lots of people seem to want to blame Teresa May but, let's face it, whatever happens in the end, she is going to have a mutiny on her hands.
Sure. She does not have a majority in any direction as things stand. And thatโs a tory problem not directly ascribable to her. But honestly, having dealt with her policy choices, incompetence, incoherence and self interested priorities when she was Home Secretary, I was sure she was just a disaster waiting to happen as Prime Minister...
Lots of people seem to want to blame Teresa May but, let's face it, whatever happens in the end, she is going to have a mutiny on her hands. Sure. She does not have a majority in any direction as things stand. And thatโs a tory problem not directly ascribable to her. But honestly, having dealt with her policy choices, incompetence, incoherence and self interested priorities when she was Home Secretary, I was sure she was just a disaster waiting to happen as Prime Minister... |
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Oct 22, 2018 21:40:32 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 21:40:32 GMT 1, Lots of people seem to want to blame Teresa May but, let's face it, whatever happens in the end, she is going to have a mutiny on her hands. Sure. She does not have a majority in any direction as things stand. And thatโs a tory problem not directly ascribable to her. But honestly, having dealt with her policy choices, incompetence, incoherence and self interested priorities when she was Home Secretary, I was sure she was just a disaster waiting to happen as Prime Minister...
And her thanks for stepping up is all her traitor scum back stabbing tories willing her to keep messing up, scoffing and laughing at her while they bend us over, but when it's all over one of the ' chicken s**t men' will step up, blame her for everything, and so will begin another X years of austerity.
who will it be Johnson? Davies? Smogg? Goves . what a lovely list
Absolute wankers
Lots of people seem to want to blame Teresa May but, let's face it, whatever happens in the end, she is going to have a mutiny on her hands. Sure. She does not have a majority in any direction as things stand. And thatโs a tory problem not directly ascribable to her. But honestly, having dealt with her policy choices, incompetence, incoherence and self interested priorities when she was Home Secretary, I was sure she was just a disaster waiting to happen as Prime Minister... i think the key here is she wanted to be prime minister, get her name in the history books. no one else wanted the job. She got it, no one ever said she was any good, but no one else was big enough for this task either as they knew it would end their self serving career for life. Politics above country as always And her thanks for stepping up is all her traitor scum back stabbing tories willing her to keep messing up, scoffing and laughing at her while they bend us over, but when it's all over one of the ' chicken s**t men' will step up, blame her for everything, and so will begin another X years of austerity. who will it be Johnson? Davies? Smogg? Goves . what a lovely list Absolute wankers |
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Oct 24, 2018 17:39:27 GMT 1
Brexit, by Pysgod on Oct 24, 2018 17:39:27 GMT 1,
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