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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 11, 2018 21:02:28 GMT 1, I think Cameron has a great deal to answer for. Cameron, in calling for an Brexit referendum, was simply bowing to public pressure. It is not really his fault that the general public contains far too many ignorant, xenophobic Little-Englanders with a British colonialist mentality.
Clearly more ignorant, xenophobic Little Englanders with a British colonialist mentality than people that can’t except a democratic vote.
I think Cameron has a great deal to answer for. Cameron, in calling for an Brexit referendum, was simply bowing to public pressure. It is not really his fault that the general public contains far too many ignorant, xenophobic Little-Englanders with a British colonialist mentality. Clearly more ignorant, xenophobic Little Englanders with a British colonialist mentality than people that can’t except a democratic vote. |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:20:58 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Oct 11, 2018 22:20:58 GMT 1, With article 50 starting before the end of this month, how long do you think the process will take? I feel it's gonna be much faster then the set two years. I would say less than a year, and I wonder if even within 6 month is possible. What do you think?
Oh dear oh dear...
With article 50 starting before the end of this month, how long do you think the process will take? I feel it's gonna be much faster then the set two years. I would say less than a year, and I wonder if even within 6 month is possible. What do you think?
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Oct 11, 2018 22:23:35 GMT 1
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Brexit, by .dappy on Oct 11, 2018 22:23:35 GMT 1, Cameron, in calling for an Brexit referendum, was simply bowing to public pressure. It is not really his fault that the general public contains far too many ignorant, xenophobic Little-Englanders with a British colonialist mentality. Thanks. I honestly don’t think he was. I believe it was to retain power for the Tories. He was, I believe, concerned about losing voters in favour of UKIP. A huge price to pay.
... this ... it was purely a political decision to (what he believed) to stay in power for him and the Conservatives ... nothing more, nothing less ... the price he paid was his incompetence and those that advised him ... he soon ran away quickly with a lot of others ... and they are still living a very good life and will continue to do so, while a lot of people suffer ... 🙄🙄🙄
Cameron, in calling for an Brexit referendum, was simply bowing to public pressure. It is not really his fault that the general public contains far too many ignorant, xenophobic Little-Englanders with a British colonialist mentality. Thanks. I honestly don’t think he was. I believe it was to retain power for the Tories. He was, I believe, concerned about losing voters in favour of UKIP. A huge price to pay. ... this ... it was purely a political decision to (what he believed) to stay in power for him and the Conservatives ... nothing more, nothing less ... the price he paid was his incompetence and those that advised him ... he soon ran away quickly with a lot of others ... and they are still living a very good life and will continue to do so, while a lot of people suffer ... 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:27:24 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Oct 11, 2018 22:27:24 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom who chose to take part in the referendum voted for Brexit.
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom who chose to take part in the referendum voted for Brexit.
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Oct 11, 2018 22:30:12 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 11, 2018 22:30:12 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit.
Slightly more than half actually, hence the outcome
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Slightly more than half actually, hence the outcome |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:32:41 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Oct 11, 2018 22:32:41 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Slightly more than half actually, hence the outcome "Slightly more than half" still isn't "the people of the United Kingdom, is it!
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Slightly more than half actually, hence the outcome "Slightly more than half" still isn't "the people of the United Kingdom, is it! |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:33:09 GMT 1
Brexit, by Pysgod on Oct 11, 2018 22:33:09 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit.
The hard working, intelligent, industrious half
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:34:42 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 11, 2018 22:34:42 GMT 1, Slightly more than half actually, hence the outcome "Slightly more than half" still isn't "the people of the United Kingdom, is it!
Still enough to swing the vote
Slightly more than half actually, hence the outcome "Slightly more than half" still isn't "the people of the United Kingdom, is it! Still enough to swing the vote |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:35:59 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 22:35:59 GMT 1,
Number of local areas declared: 382/382
Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%)
Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%)
Total Electorate: 46,500,001
Turnout: 72.2%
Rejected Ballots: 25,359
27.8% of people who could have voted chose not to
Number of local areas declared: 382/382
Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%)
Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%)
Total Electorate: 46,500,001
Turnout: 72.2%
Rejected Ballots: 25,359
27.8% of people who could have voted chose not to
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Brexit, by caruso on Oct 11, 2018 22:36:17 GMT 1, Thanks. I honestly don’t think he was. I believe it was to retain power for the Tories. He was, I believe, concerned about losing voters in favour of UKIP. A huge price to pay. ... this ... it was purely a political decision to (what he believed) to stay in power for him and the Conservatives ... nothing more, nothing less ... the price he paid was his incompetence and those that advised him ... he soon ran away quickly with a lot of others ... and they are still living a very good life and will continue to do so, while a lot of people suffer ... 🙄🙄🙄
100% accurate.
Thanks. I honestly don’t think he was. I believe it was to retain power for the Tories. He was, I believe, concerned about losing voters in favour of UKIP. A huge price to pay. ... this ... it was purely a political decision to (what he believed) to stay in power for him and the Conservatives ... nothing more, nothing less ... the price he paid was his incompetence and those that advised him ... he soon ran away quickly with a lot of others ... and they are still living a very good life and will continue to do so, while a lot of people suffer ... 🙄🙄🙄 100% accurate. |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:39:18 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 11, 2018 22:39:18 GMT 1, Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half
Yeah.
Hard working, intelligent, industrious pensioners.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote
Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half
Yeah.
Hard working, intelligent, industrious pensioners.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:42:49 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Oct 11, 2018 22:42:49 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit.
Guy denning made a good point recently. This was not exactly it, but rather my interpretation of it. Very roughly speaking a third of the population voted to leave, a third voted to stay, and a third didn’t feel strongly enough to vote to leave (or either way, depending on your viewpoint).
The bar should have been higher that 50% of these that could be bothered to vote imo.
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Guy denning made a good point recently. This was not exactly it, but rather my interpretation of it. Very roughly speaking a third of the population voted to leave, a third voted to stay, and a third didn’t feel strongly enough to vote to leave (or either way, depending on your viewpoint). The bar should have been higher that 50% of these that could be bothered to vote imo. |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:44:43 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Oct 11, 2018 22:44:43 GMT 1, Number of local areas declared: 382/382 Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%) Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%) Total Electorate: 46,500,001 Turnout: 72.2% Rejected Ballots: 25,359 27.8% of people who could have voted chose not to
37.4% of the UK voted leave then. I for one, would very much like to change my mind and not be a part of that statistic anymore!!!
Peoples vote to help me repent soon though.
Number of local areas declared: 382/382 Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%) Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%) Total Electorate: 46,500,001 Turnout: 72.2% Rejected Ballots: 25,359 27.8% of people who could have voted chose not to 37.4% of the UK voted leave then. I for one, would very much like to change my mind and not be a part of that statistic anymore!!! Peoples vote to help me repent soon though. |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:46:30 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Oct 11, 2018 22:46:30 GMT 1,
Yeah.
Hard working, intelligent, industrious pensioners.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote
They have. But there is certainly a debate that can be had as to whether they should have had an equal vote to young people. Or whether 16 year olds should have had the vote. I’m not suggesting that either of those propositions is right. Merely that there is an interesting ethical/political discussion that could be had.
Yeah.
Hard working, intelligent, industrious pensioners.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote They have. But there is certainly a debate that can be had as to whether they should have had an equal vote to young people. Or whether 16 year olds should have had the vote. I’m not suggesting that either of those propositions is right. Merely that there is an interesting ethical/political discussion that could be had. |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:46:40 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Daylight Robber on Oct 11, 2018 22:46:40 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half
So hard working, intelligent and industrious that between them all they can't even come up with a plan!
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half So hard working, intelligent and industrious that between them all they can't even come up with a plan! |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:47:35 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Oct 11, 2018 22:47:35 GMT 1,
Yeah.
Hard working, intelligent, industrious pensioners.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote Again, when did I say they didn't?
Like much of the Leave campaign, you're making things up.
Yeah.
Hard working, intelligent, industrious pensioners.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote Again, when did I say they didn't?
Like much of the Leave campaign, you're making things up.
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Oct 11, 2018 22:48:45 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 22:48:45 GMT 1, Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half So hard working, intelligent and industrious that between them all they can't even come up with a plan!
They voted to be poorer and for their kids to be poorer
But they will get a blue passport thats going to be made in ?
Anyhow the DUP will make it all better for us
Yeah The hard working, intelligent, industrious half So hard working, intelligent and industrious that between them all they can't even come up with a plan! They voted to be poorer and for their kids to be poorer But they will get a blue passport thats going to be made in ? Anyhow the DUP will make it all better for us |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:50:12 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Coach on Oct 11, 2018 22:50:12 GMT 1, Thanks. I honestly don’t think he was. I believe it was to retain power for the Tories. He was, I believe, concerned about losing voters in favour of UKIP. A huge price to pay. ... this ... it was purely a political decision to (what he believed) to stay in power for him and the Conservatives ... nothing more, nothing less ... the price he paid was his incompetence and those that advised him ... he soon ran away quickly with a lot of others ... and they are still living a very good life and will continue to do so, while a lot of people suffer ... 🙄🙄🙄
Indeed dappy. Like many leading brexiteers (Mogg, Johnson et al) they have the wealth to survive generations of recession, unlike those that they claim to represent.
Thanks. I honestly don’t think he was. I believe it was to retain power for the Tories. He was, I believe, concerned about losing voters in favour of UKIP. A huge price to pay. ... this ... it was purely a political decision to (what he believed) to stay in power for him and the Conservatives ... nothing more, nothing less ... the price he paid was his incompetence and those that advised him ... he soon ran away quickly with a lot of others ... and they are still living a very good life and will continue to do so, while a lot of people suffer ... 🙄🙄🙄 Indeed dappy. Like many leading brexiteers (Mogg, Johnson et al) they have the wealth to survive generations of recession, unlike those that they claim to represent. |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:50:14 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Oct 11, 2018 22:50:14 GMT 1, Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote They have. But there is certainly a debate that can be had as to whether they should have had an equal vote to young people. Or whether 16 year olds should have had the vote. I’m not suggesting that either of those propositions is right. Merely that there is an interesting ethical/political discussion that could be had. When the Scottish independence vote was taken, UK law allowed regional votes to included young people aged between 16 and 18. The argument made for their inclusion was that they would live long with the consequence.
The Scottish referendum was a national vote for Scotland, the nation. Many feel that the UK Brexit referendum is at least as important as the Scottish independence referendum. According to the National Union of Students, 76% of the 16-18 age group wanted to vote. It is a broken system that allows the young people to be heard in referendum A, a referendum key to their future but not in referendum B, equally, key to their future. That is a denial of their human rights. There are about 1.5 million 16-18 year olds and those in the 18-24 age group who voted did so 75% for remain.
Source: London School of Economics
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote They have. But there is certainly a debate that can be had as to whether they should have had an equal vote to young people. Or whether 16 year olds should have had the vote. I’m not suggesting that either of those propositions is right. Merely that there is an interesting ethical/political discussion that could be had. When the Scottish independence vote was taken, UK law allowed regional votes to included young people aged between 16 and 18. The argument made for their inclusion was that they would live long with the consequence.
The Scottish referendum was a national vote for Scotland, the nation. Many feel that the UK Brexit referendum is at least as important as the Scottish independence referendum. According to the National Union of Students, 76% of the 16-18 age group wanted to vote. It is a broken system that allows the young people to be heard in referendum A, a referendum key to their future but not in referendum B, equally, key to their future. That is a denial of their human rights. There are about 1.5 million 16-18 year olds and those in the 18-24 age group who voted did so 75% for remain.
Source: London School of Economics
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Oct 11, 2018 22:52:36 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 11, 2018 22:52:36 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit.
If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons?
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons? |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:55:20 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 22:55:20 GMT 1, Indeed dappy. Like many leading brexiteers (Mogg, Johnson et al) they have the wealth to survive generations of recession, unlike those that they claim to represent. I wonder why Gove has moved his hedge fund to Ireland...
I thought it was Mogg?
Indeed dappy. Like many leading brexiteers (Mogg, Johnson et al) they have the wealth to survive generations of recession, unlike those that they claim to represent. I wonder why Gove has moved his hedge fund to Ireland... I thought it was Mogg? |
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Oct 11, 2018 22:57:33 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Oct 11, 2018 22:57:33 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons? Yes. Not that I've made any mention of a second referendum.
Democracy requires truthful campaigns. When campaigners tell lies and some elements of the media exaggerate them, somehow the electorate is expected to discover the lies and make a rational decision on truth. If some hear the lie and do not hear the counter argument then they may vote accordingly. For example, the Leave campaign had a battle bus stating - not suggesting, stating - that the UK paid £350million per week to the EU without pointing out that the EU pays £283million per week back to the UK. The net outflow is £67million per week. Further posters displayed the suggestion that the same £350million every week could, instead, be given to the NHS if the UK were to leave the EU. That was a gross lie and the country would be bankrupting itself if it attempted to do so.
Deciding which way to vote based on exaggerations or on lies is not democracy. Democracy depends on people voting after some forethought based on a truthful debate. The Brexit campaign and heavily biased media corrupted the democratic process. Hearing the truth is a human right which should not be denied for political ends.
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons? Yes. Not that I've made any mention of a second referendum.
Democracy requires truthful campaigns. When campaigners tell lies and some elements of the media exaggerate them, somehow the electorate is expected to discover the lies and make a rational decision on truth. If some hear the lie and do not hear the counter argument then they may vote accordingly. For example, the Leave campaign had a battle bus stating - not suggesting, stating - that the UK paid £350million per week to the EU without pointing out that the EU pays £283million per week back to the UK. The net outflow is £67million per week. Further posters displayed the suggestion that the same £350million every week could, instead, be given to the NHS if the UK were to leave the EU. That was a gross lie and the country would be bankrupting itself if it attempted to do so.
Deciding which way to vote based on exaggerations or on lies is not democracy. Democracy depends on people voting after some forethought based on a truthful debate. The Brexit campaign and heavily biased media corrupted the democratic process. Hearing the truth is a human right which should not be denied for political ends.
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Brexit, by vei on Oct 11, 2018 23:01:03 GMT 1, If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons? Yes. Not that I've made any mention of a second referendum.
Democracy requires truthful campaigns. When campaigners tell lies and some elements of the media exaggerate them, somehow the electorate is expected to discover the lies and make a rational decision on truth. If some hear the lie and do not hear the counter argument then they may vote accordingly. For example, the Leave campaign had a battle bus stating - not suggesting, stating - that the UK paid £350million per week to the EU without pointing out that the EU pays £283million per week back to the UK. The net outflow is £67million per week. Further posters displayed the suggestion that the same £350million every week could, instead, be given to the NHS if the UK were to leave the EU. That was a gross lie and the country would be bankrupting itself if it attempted to do so.
Deciding which way to vote based on exaggerations or on lies is not democracy. Democracy depends on people voting after some forethought based on a truthful debate. The Brexit campaign and heavily biased media corrupted the democratic process. Hearing the truth is a human right which should not be denied for political ends.
WoW that’s naive.
If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons? Yes. Not that I've made any mention of a second referendum.
Democracy requires truthful campaigns. When campaigners tell lies and some elements of the media exaggerate them, somehow the electorate is expected to discover the lies and make a rational decision on truth. If some hear the lie and do not hear the counter argument then they may vote accordingly. For example, the Leave campaign had a battle bus stating - not suggesting, stating - that the UK paid £350million per week to the EU without pointing out that the EU pays £283million per week back to the UK. The net outflow is £67million per week. Further posters displayed the suggestion that the same £350million every week could, instead, be given to the NHS if the UK were to leave the EU. That was a gross lie and the country would be bankrupting itself if it attempted to do so.
Deciding which way to vote based on exaggerations or on lies is not democracy. Democracy depends on people voting after some forethought based on a truthful debate. The Brexit campaign and heavily biased media corrupted the democratic process. Hearing the truth is a human right which should not be denied for political ends.
WoW that’s naive. |
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Brexit, by rebate on Oct 11, 2018 23:07:42 GMT 1, One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons?
One last thing - Brexit morons, please stop saying "the United Kingdom voted for Brexit", because it didn't - half of the United Kingdom voted for Brexit. If there was to be another ‘peoples vote’ a remainer would be partly relying on a leaver switching sides and choosing to remain. Do you really think that will happen when you think that they are all Brexit morons? doesnt matter much what he says. i voted for it, not even sure i disagree with his point anymore. i would vote remain 2nd time round for bloody sure. |
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Brexit, by Coach on Oct 11, 2018 23:31:45 GMT 1, Just one further thought regarding this thread.
It would be great if we could have this discussion without it getting personal, or name calling, without insults or incendiary language.
I’ve quite enjoyed it so far. I’ve engaged with people who’s views I don’t agree with. Reasoned argument rather than name calling might be the best order of the day.
Just one further thought regarding this thread.
It would be great if we could have this discussion without it getting personal, or name calling, without insults or incendiary language.
I’ve quite enjoyed it so far. I’ve engaged with people who’s views I don’t agree with. Reasoned argument rather than name calling might be the best order of the day.
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Brexit, by k2 on Oct 11, 2018 23:59:37 GMT 1, Number of local areas declared: 382/382 Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%) Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%) Total Electorate: 46,500,001 Turnout: 72.2% Rejected Ballots: 25,359 27.8% of people who could have voted chose not to 37.4% of the UK voted leave then. I for one, would very much like to change my mind and not be a part of that statistic anymore!!! Peoples vote to help me repent soon though.
You’re someone whose posts I often seem to agree with, and who I think tends to have similar leanings to me, but we voted differently on this one.
In an absolutely non judgemental way, I’d be quite interested to know what it was that led you to vote the way that you did.
Number of local areas declared: 382/382 Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%) Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%) Total Electorate: 46,500,001 Turnout: 72.2% Rejected Ballots: 25,359 27.8% of people who could have voted chose not to 37.4% of the UK voted leave then. I for one, would very much like to change my mind and not be a part of that statistic anymore!!! Peoples vote to help me repent soon though. You’re someone whose posts I often seem to agree with, and who I think tends to have similar leanings to me, but we voted differently on this one. In an absolutely non judgemental way, I’d be quite interested to know what it was that led you to vote the way that you did. |
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Brexit, by Masong on Oct 12, 2018 0:11:48 GMT 1, Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote They have. But there is certainly a debate that can be had as to whether they should have had an equal vote to young people. Or whether 16 year olds should have had the vote. I’m not suggesting that either of those propositions is right. Merely that there is an interesting ethical/political discussion that could be had.
My personal opinion is that the voting age should remain at 18. Obviously this is because I’m an old bastard that doesn’t know the youth of today and all that but I have 3 children above this age and in my opinion I wouldn’t have felt that they were mature enough at 16 to make a decision on a political level such as a vote purely because they were going out with friends and having fun as they should be(this doesn’t mean you’re not capable of voting of course)I know this could be perceived as patronising and outdated but sometimes you think as a father rather than trying to program your children’s political future which unfortunately some parents do.
Pensioners have got exactly the same right to vote as anybody over the age of 18 regardless of what you think of their vote They have. But there is certainly a debate that can be had as to whether they should have had an equal vote to young people. Or whether 16 year olds should have had the vote. I’m not suggesting that either of those propositions is right. Merely that there is an interesting ethical/political discussion that could be had. My personal opinion is that the voting age should remain at 18. Obviously this is because I’m an old bastard that doesn’t know the youth of today and all that but I have 3 children above this age and in my opinion I wouldn’t have felt that they were mature enough at 16 to make a decision on a political level such as a vote purely because they were going out with friends and having fun as they should be(this doesn’t mean you’re not capable of voting of course)I know this could be perceived as patronising and outdated but sometimes you think as a father rather than trying to program your children’s political future which unfortunately some parents do. |
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