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Brexit, by shy on Jun 16, 2019 11:19:08 GMT 1, I dont think he has friends in hamas or hezbollah does he? i know he was involved in promoting peace negotiations with them, but you wouldnt be silly enough to confuse the two would you? i mean, its a matter of record in Hansard, so its pretty well documented.
I dont think he has friends in hamas or hezbollah does he? i know he was involved in promoting peace negotiations with them, but you wouldnt be silly enough to confuse the two would you? i mean, its a matter of record in Hansard, so its pretty well documented. Not to get political here but would be great fun to see a Trump vs Corbyn debate! LOL |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 11:51:11 GMT 1, I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain?
I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain? |
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Jun 16, 2019 12:09:32 GMT 1
Brexit, by Dive Jedi on Jun 16, 2019 12:09:32 GMT 1, I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain?
I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain? My guess would be there should be room for everyone…. |
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Jun 16, 2019 12:11:19 GMT 1
Brexit, by Dive Jedi on Jun 16, 2019 12:11:19 GMT 1,  With article 50 starting before the end of this month, how long do you think the process will take? I feel it's gonna be much faster then the set two years. I would say less than a year, and I wonder if even within 6 month is possible. What do you think? 6 months?! It took Canada 7 years.
With article 50 starting before the end of this month, how long do you think the process will take? I feel it's gonna be much faster then the set two years. I would say less than a year, and I wonder if even within 6 month is possible. What do you think? 6 months?! It took Canada 7 years. Canada was part of EU ?? |
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Jun 16, 2019 12:39:10 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Jun 16, 2019 12:39:10 GMT 1, I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain?
It's a great photo taken on the NY subway which has been misappropriated by right-wing extremist trolls like warchet here, proclaiming ‘this is the future liberals want', because these low quality human beings think that there's something wrong with a society where Muslims and drag queens can co-exist peacefully in public.
I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain?
It's a great photo taken on the NY subway which has been misappropriated by right-wing extremist trolls like warchet here, proclaiming ‘this is the future liberals want', because these low quality human beings think that there's something wrong with a society where Muslims and drag queens can co-exist peacefully in public.
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Brexit, by Coach on Jun 16, 2019 12:41:33 GMT 1, 6 months?! It took Canada 7 years. Canada was part of EU ??
Obviously not.
6 months?! It took Canada 7 years. Canada was part of EU ?? Obviously not. |
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Brexit, by Masong on Jun 16, 2019 12:52:23 GMT 1,
I suppose you could see the confusion what with Australia being in the Eurovision Song Contest. Not that I watch it of course
I suppose you could see the confusion what with Australia being in the Eurovision Song Contest. Not that I watch it of course |
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Brexit, by nex on Jun 16, 2019 13:10:08 GMT 1,
This is the world I want
Not some gammon inspired universe of white fat old men telling me to hate everything and everyone that doesn’t fit their narrow pathetic world view
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This is the world I want Not some gammon inspired universe of white fat old men telling me to hate everything and everyone that doesn’t fit their narrow pathetic world view ✊ |
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Brexit, by Coach on Jun 16, 2019 13:29:59 GMT 1,
Having chosen to publicly share that image, I assume in order to make a political point, I wonder what it is about the appearance of those people that you do not like?
Having chosen to publicly share that image, I assume in order to make a political point, I wonder what it is about the appearance of those people that you do not like? |
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Jun 16, 2019 13:57:11 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 13:57:11 GMT 1, I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain? My guess would be there should be room for everyone….
I'm not sure what this image is supposed to be telling me. Could you explain? My guess would be there should be room for everyone…. But you could use the same image and put "vote Conservative" underneath it. Or even "Vote BNP". The image itself suggests nothing about Labour policy. |
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Jun 16, 2019 14:02:50 GMT 1
Brexit, by shy on Jun 16, 2019 14:02:50 GMT 1, Life is colourful- so dig it!
Life is colourful- so dig it!
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Jun 16, 2019 16:38:02 GMT 1
Brexit, by FЯ on Jun 16, 2019 16:38:02 GMT 1, I would if tom watson was in charge.
i am just not voting for a communist and neither is anyone else.
so they have no chance whilst he is in charge. He is dangerous.
that photo means nothing either, it is not even taken in the uk. If it was it would have been taken under a tory government so you can stick their logo under it.
vote liberal.
I would if tom watson was in charge.
i am just not voting for a communist and neither is anyone else.
so they have no chance whilst he is in charge. He is dangerous.
that photo means nothing either, it is not even taken in the uk. If it was it would have been taken under a tory government so you can stick their logo under it.
vote liberal.
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Brexit, by nex on Jun 16, 2019 18:46:21 GMT 1, I would if tom watson was in charge. i am just not voting for a communist and neither is anyone else. so they have no chance whilst he is in charge. He is dangerous. that photo means nothing either, it is not even taken in the uk. If it was it would have been taken under a tory government so you can stick their logo under it. vote liberal.
I’m not a fan of corbyn - BUT - he’s in no shape or form a communist , that simply follows the idiotic populist narrative
I would if tom watson was in charge. i am just not voting for a communist and neither is anyone else. so they have no chance whilst he is in charge. He is dangerous. that photo means nothing either, it is not even taken in the uk. If it was it would have been taken under a tory government so you can stick their logo under it. vote liberal. I’m not a fan of corbyn - BUT - he’s in no shape or form a communist , that simply follows the idiotic populist narrative |
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Jun 17, 2019 10:04:17 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 10:04:17 GMT 1, I would if tom watson was in charge. i am just not voting for a communist and neither is anyone else. so they have no chance whilst he is in charge. He is dangerous. that photo means nothing either, it is not even taken in the uk. If it was it would have been taken under a tory government so you can stick their logo under it. vote liberal. I’m not a fan of corbyn - BUT - he’s in no shape or form a communist , that simply follows the idiotic populist narrative
I would if tom watson was in charge. i am just not voting for a communist and neither is anyone else. so they have no chance whilst he is in charge. He is dangerous. that photo means nothing either, it is not even taken in the uk. If it was it would have been taken under a tory government so you can stick their logo under it. vote liberal. I’m not a fan of corbyn - BUT - he’s in no shape or form a communist , that simply follows the idiotic populist narrative ...although Corbyn does plan to take many major industries in to public ownership, which, of course, is the foundational basis of communism. And John McDonnell has openly admitted to being a Marxist. |
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Brexit, by sleazus1slord on Jun 17, 2019 10:25:34 GMT 1, USA, UK, and EU are all totally fucked. Impending global economic and climate crises on the horizon.
Vote ANARCHY
USA, UK, and EU are all totally fucked. Impending global economic and climate crises on the horizon.
Vote ANARCHY
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Jun 17, 2019 14:07:28 GMT 1
Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Jun 17, 2019 14:07:28 GMT 1, ...although Corbyn does plan to take many major industries in to public ownership, which, of course, is the foundational basis of communism. And John McDonnell has openly admitted to being a Marxist.
...although Corbyn does plan to take many major industries in to public ownership, which, of course, is the foundational basis of communism. And John McDonnell has openly admitted to being a Marxist. Public ownership of the means of production is a subset of social ownership, which is the defining characteristic of a socialist economy. However, state ownership and nationalization by themselves are not socialist, as they can exist under a wide variety of different political and economic systems for a variety of different reasons. State ownership by itself does not imply social ownership where income rights belong to society as a whole. As such, state ownership is only one possible expression of public ownership, which itself is one variation of the broader concept of social ownership.[4][5] |
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Jun 17, 2019 14:20:54 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 14:20:54 GMT 1, ...although Corbyn does plan to take many major industries in to public ownership, which, of course, is the foundational basis of communism. And John McDonnell has openly admitted to being a Marxist. Public ownership of the means of production is a subset of social ownership, which is the defining characteristic of a socialist economy. However, state ownership and nationalization by themselves are not socialist, as they can exist under a wide variety of different political and economic systems for a variety of different reasons. State ownership by itself does not imply social ownership where income rights belong to society as a whole. As such, state ownership is only one possible expression of public ownership, which itself is one variation of the broader concept of social ownership.[4][5]
...although Corbyn does plan to take many major industries in to public ownership, which, of course, is the foundational basis of communism. And John McDonnell has openly admitted to being a Marxist. Public ownership of the means of production is a subset of social ownership, which is the defining characteristic of a socialist economy. However, state ownership and nationalization by themselves are not socialist, as they can exist under a wide variety of different political and economic systems for a variety of different reasons. State ownership by itself does not imply social ownership where income rights belong to society as a whole. As such, state ownership is only one possible expression of public ownership, which itself is one variation of the broader concept of social ownership.[4][5] Whilst you are right to say state ownership can exist under a variety of political systems, this does not really equate with what Corbyn intends to do. Corbyn plans to force companies to sell off their businesses to the government who will then take full control of what happens to them. This is more than just 'state ownership' per se; this is, as I said before, the foundational principles of communism. |
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Jun 17, 2019 15:02:42 GMT 1
Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Jun 17, 2019 15:02:42 GMT 1, This is more than just 'state ownership' per se; this is, as I said before, the foundational principles of communism.
But
I am pretty sure the foundational principles of communism are the workers ownership of the means of production.
This is more than just 'state ownership' per se; this is, as I said before, the foundational principles of communism. Ah I shouldnt really get involved in this as i have a shed load of things to do But I am pretty sure the foundational principles of communism are the workers ownership of the means of production. |
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Jun 17, 2019 15:44:14 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 15:44:14 GMT 1, This is more than just 'state ownership' per se; this is, as I said before, the foundational principles of communism. Ah I shouldnt really get involved in this as i have a shed load of things to do But I am pretty sure the foundational principles of communism are the workers ownership of the means of production.
But I fear we are both veering off the subject of Labour's current political ideological basis. The Tories obviously criticise Labour because they want to hold on to power. But they are still right to label Labour as a genuine threat to our country's future.
This is more than just 'state ownership' per se; this is, as I said before, the foundational principles of communism. Ah I shouldnt really get involved in this as i have a shed load of things to do But I am pretty sure the foundational principles of communism are the workers ownership of the means of production. I can appreciate why you would say that but communist 'countries' (as opposed to communist 'ideology' as espoused by Karl Marx) does not really promote workers' ownership. It promotes state run businesses and control of production rather than it being owned by the workers as such. But I fear we are both veering off the subject of Labour's current political ideological basis. The Tories obviously criticise Labour because they want to hold on to power. But they are still right to label Labour as a genuine threat to our country's future. |
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Jun 17, 2019 19:40:38 GMT 1
Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Jun 17, 2019 19:40:38 GMT 1, Sooooooooooooooooooo
For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterfuck of post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead?
Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterfuck of post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead? |
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 10:00:50 GMT 1, Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterf**kof post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead?
Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterf**kof post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead? Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. |
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Jun 18, 2019 10:07:21 GMT 1
Brexit, by skAcid on Jun 18, 2019 10:07:21 GMT 1, Fuck the Tories!
Fuck the Tories!
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Jun 18, 2019 11:40:05 GMT 1
Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Jun 18, 2019 11:40:05 GMT 1, Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterf**kof post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead? Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories.
Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterf**kof post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead? Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. And do you think that there might be more complicated reasons behind this than 'Tories good, Labour Bad'? |
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Jun 18, 2019 11:51:15 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 11:51:15 GMT 1, Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. And do you think that there might be more complicated reasons behind this than 'Tories good, Labour Bad'?
Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. And do you think that there might be more complicated reasons behind this than 'Tories good, Labour Bad'? I never said "Tories good, Labour bad". I said the Tories are trusted far more on the economy than Labour. And they are. That's not just my view. That's the view of the general public. |
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Brexit, by Chris JL on Jun 18, 2019 12:13:05 GMT 1, Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterf**kof post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead? Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories.
This is interesting and puzzling. Can you give a pointer to a reliable source? What puzzles me is that, in the data at least, the economy has done much better under (new) Labour than under Tory: remove the financial crisis period, and compare economic growth under labour, 3% average, to Tory, 1.9%. And even if one (wrongly) attributes the financial crisis to Labour, still Labour does better (at a 2.2% average) than Tory. And not surprisingly so: Tory austerity in UK was purely self inflicted ideological idiocy, and delivered exactly what was expected from it — blood and tears and no tangible benefits on any front.
And that’s not only about GDP growth: virtually any economic indicator (from labour market to inequality) points to a better economy, and policy, under (new) Labour than under Tory in recent history.
I wonder whether the pool results you mention (if correct) are just driven by the Corbyn’s drag on the party (that would be consistent with the last 3 election results), or really voters are just sucking the ungrounded Tory spin.
Sooooooooooooooooooo For the record, you think that the disaster capitalists who are in power now are going to be better at dealing with the clusterf**kof post brexit to a group of people who are opposed to selling everything off to various dodgy states and corporations and would prefer to nationalise them instead? Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. This is interesting and puzzling. Can you give a pointer to a reliable source? What puzzles me is that, in the data at least, the economy has done much better under (new) Labour than under Tory: remove the financial crisis period, and compare economic growth under labour, 3% average, to Tory, 1.9%. And even if one (wrongly) attributes the financial crisis to Labour, still Labour does better (at a 2.2% average) than Tory. And not surprisingly so: Tory austerity in UK was purely self inflicted ideological idiocy, and delivered exactly what was expected from it — blood and tears and no tangible benefits on any front. And that’s not only about GDP growth: virtually any economic indicator (from labour market to inequality) points to a better economy, and policy, under (new) Labour than under Tory in recent history. I wonder whether the pool results you mention (if correct) are just driven by the Corbyn’s drag on the party (that would be consistent with the last 3 election results), or really voters are just sucking the ungrounded Tory spin. |
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Brexit, by Leo Boyd on Jun 18, 2019 13:04:13 GMT 1, And do you think that there might be more complicated reasons behind this than 'Tories good, Labour Bad'? I never said "Tories good, Labour bad". I said the Tories are trusted far more on the economy than Labour. And they are. That's not just my view. That's the view of the general public.
And do you think that there might be more complicated reasons behind this than 'Tories good, Labour Bad'? I never said "Tories good, Labour bad". I said the Tories are trusted far more on the economy than Labour. And they are. That's not just my view. That's the view of the general public. Right so. Could you tell me why it is you think the party who want to sell the nhs will be better than the party who don't want to. Especially in a post brexit firestorm? |
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Brexit, by k2 on Jun 18, 2019 15:04:39 GMT 1, Good grief.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 15:35:41 GMT 1, Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. This is interesting and puzzling. Can you give a pointer to a reliable source? What puzzles me is that, in the data at least, the economy has done much better under (new) Labour than under Tory: remove the financial crisis period, and compare economic growth under labour, 3% average, to Tory, 1.9%. And even if one (wrongly) attributes the financial crisis to Labour, still Labour does better (at a 2.2% average) than Tory. And not surprisingly so: Tory austerity in UK was purely self inflicted ideological idiocy, and delivered exactly what was expected from it — blood and tears and no tangible benefits on any front. And that’s not only about GDP growth: virtually any economic indicator (from labour market to inequality) points to a better economy, and policy, under (new) Labour than under Tory in recent history. I wonder whether the pool results you mention (if correct) are just driven by the Corbyn’s drag on the party (that would be consistent with the last 3 election results), or really voters are just sucking the ungrounded Tory spin.
I am also pleased that you used the phrase '(new) Labour' rather than 'Labour'. As I'm sure you would agree, Corbyn's Labour Party is a completely different beast to the previous Tony Blair's Labour Party. In other words, historical statistics relating to the Labour Party are not terribly helpful as they do not equate very well with the Labour Party of today.
Your post also brings up another interesting point. How much are people influenced by facts and how much by perceptions of the facts? I suspect the answer is the latter. It's sad but facts tend not to matter very much in general elections as well as referendums. That's why when Corbyn gets up on stage and says "we will end austerity. We will provide free university tuition fees. We will give free train travel to the under 25s." he gets a standing ovation with people having tears in their eyes, like they have witnessed the second coming. It's all b*ll*cks and bribes to please the great proletariat masses. People vote with their emotions not their intellect. And any Tory or Labour supporter are not going to switch sides after hearing any politician speak at conference.
Yes. Absolutely. In fact, according to the polls, most people do. When asked about the economy, Labour consistently poll really badly against the Tories. This is interesting and puzzling. Can you give a pointer to a reliable source? What puzzles me is that, in the data at least, the economy has done much better under (new) Labour than under Tory: remove the financial crisis period, and compare economic growth under labour, 3% average, to Tory, 1.9%. And even if one (wrongly) attributes the financial crisis to Labour, still Labour does better (at a 2.2% average) than Tory. And not surprisingly so: Tory austerity in UK was purely self inflicted ideological idiocy, and delivered exactly what was expected from it — blood and tears and no tangible benefits on any front. And that’s not only about GDP growth: virtually any economic indicator (from labour market to inequality) points to a better economy, and policy, under (new) Labour than under Tory in recent history. I wonder whether the pool results you mention (if correct) are just driven by the Corbyn’s drag on the party (that would be consistent with the last 3 election results), or really voters are just sucking the ungrounded Tory spin. Firstly, let me say it is nice to see an intelligent post on here rather than the usual inane "f**k the Tories" response. I am also pleased that you used the phrase '(new) Labour' rather than 'Labour'. As I'm sure you would agree, Corbyn's Labour Party is a completely different beast to the previous Tony Blair's Labour Party. In other words, historical statistics relating to the Labour Party are not terribly helpful as they do not equate very well with the Labour Party of today. Your post also brings up another interesting point. How much are people influenced by facts and how much by perceptions of the facts? I suspect the answer is the latter. It's sad but facts tend not to matter very much in general elections as well as referendums. That's why when Corbyn gets up on stage and says "we will end austerity. We will provide free university tuition fees. We will give free train travel to the under 25s." he gets a standing ovation with people having tears in their eyes, like they have witnessed the second coming. It's all b*ll*cks and bribes to please the great proletariat masses. People vote with their emotions not their intellect. And any Tory or Labour supporter are not going to switch sides after hearing any politician speak at conference. |
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