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Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 17:18:08 GMT 1, Well as it was yesterday and you said today, it was indeed completely wrong. The pound is up today. And who even looks at a single day's performance? Completely ridiculous. Much lolling Indeed, pretty funny when someone makes such a big mistake.. sky news will do that to you though.
Well as it was yesterday and you said today, it was indeed completely wrong. The pound is up today. And who even looks at a single day's performance? Completely ridiculous. Much lolling Indeed, pretty funny when someone makes such a big mistake.. sky news will do that to you though.
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Jul 31, 2019 17:22:03 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 17:22:03 GMT 1, ... have a look at the Sterling performance over the past 3 years then ... take a point just before the referendum ... ... I think those other countries that you mention have problems of their own ... Those were just off the top of my head to prove a point. The pound is indeed weak right now, I'm not denying that. My point is that it isn't even closest to the weakest in the world (that is ludicrous, as you say plenty of countries with much bigger problems than ours). My main point is that a weak currency benefits some companies, hurts others and for most people makes no difference... unless it leads to inflation which is higher than wage growth, which is not the case currently.
... have a look at the Sterling performance over the past 3 years then ... take a point just before the referendum ... ... I think those other countries that you mention have problems of their own ... Those were just off the top of my head to prove a point. The pound is indeed weak right now, I'm not denying that. My point is that it isn't even closest to the weakest in the world (that is ludicrous, as you say plenty of countries with much bigger problems than ours). My main point is that a weak currency benefits some companies, hurts others and for most people makes no difference... unless it leads to inflation which is higher than wage growth, which is not the case currently.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 17:23:50 GMT 1, Anyway, got to run for now.. need to go swap my weak pound for some strong Haitian Gourdes before it's too late. Thanks dogstar for the heads up!
Anyway, got to run for now.. need to go swap my weak pound for some strong Haitian Gourdes before it's too late. Thanks dogstar for the heads up!
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Jul 31, 2019 17:33:34 GMT 1
Brexit, by dogstar on Jul 31, 2019 17:33:34 GMT 1, Meanwhile...
Brexit Party founder Catherine Blaiklok is exposed again publishing lies on Twitter. She suggested that people are traveling from Pakistan to get free operations on the NHS at 'Slough General' - a hospital that doesn't exist, and a process that would require an NHS number.
Meanwhile... Brexit Party founder Catherine Blaiklok is exposed again publishing lies on Twitter. She suggested that people are traveling from Pakistan to get free operations on the NHS at 'Slough General' - a hospital that doesn't exist, and a process that would require an NHS number.
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Jul 31, 2019 17:34:11 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Jul 31, 2019 17:34:11 GMT 1, Anyway, got to run for now.. need to go swap my weak pound for some strong Haitian Gourdes before it's too late. Thanks dogstar for the heads up! What happened? no longer able to access the conflict diamonds of happier days?
Anyway, got to run for now.. need to go swap my weak pound for some strong Haitian Gourdes before it's too late. Thanks dogstar for the heads up! What happened? no longer able to access the conflict diamonds of happier days?
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Jul 31, 2019 18:47:47 GMT 1
Brexit, by love on Jul 31, 2019 18:47:47 GMT 1, Boris Johnson has sent his most senior EU adviser and Brexit negotiator to Brussels to deliver in person his message that the UK will leave without a deal unless the bloc abolishes the Irish backstop.
God, i love this clown.
Boris Johnson has sent his most senior EU adviser and Brexit negotiator to Brussels to deliver in person his message that the UK will leave without a deal unless the bloc abolishes the Irish backstop. God, i love this clown.
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Jul 31, 2019 20:12:23 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 20:12:23 GMT 1, Bottom line, we are going to be poorer
i could understand if 3 years ago or when ever the fuck it was people decided we'd be better off without europe we had funded lots of industry, northern powerhouse etc, apprenticeships, you know stuff so we can grow as a country, but nope we decided to still contract, austerity blah blah blah.
i would love to know the positives people think they will get......
Will your children have a better future out of europe? Why? How?
Will You have a better brighter richer future out of Europe? Why? How?
Serious questions, i'd love to be wrong on this, really would
Bottom line, we are going to be poorer
i could understand if 3 years ago or when ever the fuck it was people decided we'd be better off without europe we had funded lots of industry, northern powerhouse etc, apprenticeships, you know stuff so we can grow as a country, but nope we decided to still contract, austerity blah blah blah.
i would love to know the positives people think they will get......
Will your children have a better future out of europe? Why? How?
Will You have a better brighter richer future out of Europe? Why? How?
Serious questions, i'd love to be wrong on this, really would
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 20:30:17 GMT 1, Bottom line, we are going to be poorer i could understand if 3 years ago or when ever the f**kit was people decided we'd be better off without europe we had funded lots of industry, northern powerhouse etc, apprenticeships, you know stuff so we can grow as a country, but nope we decided to still contract, austerity blah blah blah. i would love to know the positives people think they will get...... Will your children have a better future out of europe? Why? How? Will You have a better brighter richer future out of Europe? Why? How? Serious questions, i'd love to be wrong on this, really would
We are not leaving Europe. We are changing our trading arrangements with a protectionist bloc.
Hope that helps.
Bottom line, we are going to be poorer i could understand if 3 years ago or when ever the f**kit was people decided we'd be better off without europe we had funded lots of industry, northern powerhouse etc, apprenticeships, you know stuff so we can grow as a country, but nope we decided to still contract, austerity blah blah blah. i would love to know the positives people think they will get...... Will your children have a better future out of europe? Why? How? Will You have a better brighter richer future out of Europe? Why? How? Serious questions, i'd love to be wrong on this, really would We are not leaving Europe. We are changing our trading arrangements with a protectionist bloc. Hope that helps.
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Jul 31, 2019 20:47:22 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 20:47:22 GMT 1, Bottom line, we are going to be poorer i could understand if 3 years ago or when ever the f**kit was people decided we'd be better off without europe we had funded lots of industry, northern powerhouse etc, apprenticeships, you know stuff so we can grow as a country, but nope we decided to still contract, austerity blah blah blah. i would love to know the positives people think they will get...... Will your children have a better future out of europe? Why? How? Will You have a better brighter richer future out of Europe? Why? How? Serious questions, i'd love to be wrong on this, really would We are not leaving Europe. We are changing our trading arrangements with a protectionist bloc. Hope that helps.
No, it really doesn't as you well know
Bottom line, we are going to be poorer i could understand if 3 years ago or when ever the f**kit was people decided we'd be better off without europe we had funded lots of industry, northern powerhouse etc, apprenticeships, you know stuff so we can grow as a country, but nope we decided to still contract, austerity blah blah blah. i would love to know the positives people think they will get...... Will your children have a better future out of europe? Why? How? Will You have a better brighter richer future out of Europe? Why? How? Serious questions, i'd love to be wrong on this, really would We are not leaving Europe. We are changing our trading arrangements with a protectionist bloc. Hope that helps. No, it really doesn't as you well know
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Jul 31, 2019 21:04:08 GMT 1
Brexit, by Bill Hicks on Jul 31, 2019 21:04:08 GMT 1, And those companies pass on those increased costs to the customer, supermarkets for one. Yes, this is called inflation. And wage growth is currently outpacing inflation. When adjusted for the impact of rising prices, pay is still below levels seen before the 2008 financial crisis. Average pay was £468 a week when adjusted for inflation. This is still £5 less than the pre-recession peak of £473 a week recorded for April 2008.
And those companies pass on those increased costs to the customer, supermarkets for one. Yes, this is called inflation. And wage growth is currently outpacing inflation. When adjusted for the impact of rising prices, pay is still below levels seen before the 2008 financial crisis. Average pay was £468 a week when adjusted for inflation. This is still £5 less than the pre-recession peak of £473 a week recorded for April 2008.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 21:25:16 GMT 1, Yes, this is called inflation. And wage growth is currently outpacing inflation. When adjusted for the impact of rising prices, pay is still below levels seen before the 2008 financial crisis. Average pay was £468 a week when adjusted for inflation. This is still £5 less than the pre-recession peak of £473 a week recorded for April 2008.
The economy has been managed poorly since 2008 in my opinion, here and abroad. Productivity has been a huge problem globally. But this is nothing to do with Brexit and is for another topic. However, employment is now at high enough levels where wages are rising faster than inflation even with the weak pound.
Yes, this is called inflation. And wage growth is currently outpacing inflation. When adjusted for the impact of rising prices, pay is still below levels seen before the 2008 financial crisis. Average pay was £468 a week when adjusted for inflation. This is still £5 less than the pre-recession peak of £473 a week recorded for April 2008. The economy has been managed poorly since 2008 in my opinion, here and abroad. Productivity has been a huge problem globally. But this is nothing to do with Brexit and is for another topic. However, employment is now at high enough levels where wages are rising faster than inflation even with the weak pound.
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Jul 31, 2019 21:41:41 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Jul 31, 2019 21:41:41 GMT 1, When adjusted for the impact of rising prices, pay is still below levels seen before the 2008 financial crisis. Average pay was £468 a week when adjusted for inflation. This is still £5 less than the pre-recession peak of £473 a week recorded for April 2008. The economy has been managed poorly since 2008 in my opinion, here and abroad. Productivity has been a huge problem globally. But this is nothing to do with Brexit and is for another topic. However, employment is now at high enough levels where wages are rising faster than inflation even with the weak pound. Again, an assumption based on misrepresented data. Over and over, repeat the lies.
When adjusted for the impact of rising prices, pay is still below levels seen before the 2008 financial crisis. Average pay was £468 a week when adjusted for inflation. This is still £5 less than the pre-recession peak of £473 a week recorded for April 2008. The economy has been managed poorly since 2008 in my opinion, here and abroad. Productivity has been a huge problem globally. But this is nothing to do with Brexit and is for another topic. However, employment is now at high enough levels where wages are rising faster than inflation even with the weak pound. Again, an assumption based on misrepresented data. Over and over, repeat the lies.
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Jul 31, 2019 22:12:30 GMT 1
Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 22:12:30 GMT 1, The economy has been managed poorly since 2008 in my opinion, here and abroad. Productivity has been a huge problem globally. But this is nothing to do with Brexit and is for another topic. However, employment is now at high enough levels where wages are rising faster than inflation even with the weak pound. Again, an assumption based on misrepresented data. Over and over, repeat the lies.
Oh stop being a child. Just because you don't like the data doesn't make it false. It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though.
Not an assumption, fact. Undeniable fact.
The economy has been managed poorly since 2008 in my opinion, here and abroad. Productivity has been a huge problem globally. But this is nothing to do with Brexit and is for another topic. However, employment is now at high enough levels where wages are rising faster than inflation even with the weak pound. Again, an assumption based on misrepresented data. Over and over, repeat the lies.
Oh stop being a child. Just because you don't like the data doesn't make it false. It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though.
Not an assumption, fact. Undeniable fact.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:14:44 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Jul 31, 2019 23:14:44 GMT 1, Again, an assumption based on misrepresented data. Over and over, repeat the lies.
Oh stop being a child. Just because you don't like the data doesn't make it false. It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though.
Not an assumption, fact. Undeniable fact.
Ok, so what data has been used to give you the idea that it is "undeniable fact" that unemployment is down, and wages are up?
Is it childish to dig a little deeper into what you claim is fact? I studies statistics you see, so i kinda know they need to be a little bit thought about in context. Its pretty well known how those employment numbers have been created, but you dont seem to really care about that, who has the agenda?
"It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though."
Im not sure what sense this is meant to make.
Again, an assumption based on misrepresented data. Over and over, repeat the lies.
Oh stop being a child. Just because you don't like the data doesn't make it false. It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though.
Not an assumption, fact. Undeniable fact.
Ok, so what data has been used to give you the idea that it is "undeniable fact" that unemployment is down, and wages are up? Is it childish to dig a little deeper into what you claim is fact? I studies statistics you see, so i kinda know they need to be a little bit thought about in context. Its pretty well known how those employment numbers have been created, but you dont seem to really care about that, who has the agenda? "It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though." Im not sure what sense this is meant to make.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 23:32:46 GMT 1,
Oh stop being a child. Just because you don't like the data doesn't make it false. It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though.
Not an assumption, fact. Undeniable fact.
Ok, so what data has been used to give you the idea that it is "undeniable fact" that unemployment is down, and wages are up? Is it childish to dig a little deeper into what you claim is fact? I studies statistics you see, so i kinda know they need to be a little bit thought about in context. Its pretty well known how those employment numbers have been created, but you dont seem to really care about that, who has the agenda? "It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though." Im not sure what sense this is meant to make.
You studied statistics but don't understand how median wage growth works? Lol
Oh stop being a child. Just because you don't like the data doesn't make it false. It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though.
Not an assumption, fact. Undeniable fact.
Ok, so what data has been used to give you the idea that it is "undeniable fact" that unemployment is down, and wages are up? Is it childish to dig a little deeper into what you claim is fact? I studies statistics you see, so i kinda know they need to be a little bit thought about in context. Its pretty well known how those employment numbers have been created, but you dont seem to really care about that, who has the agenda? "It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though." Im not sure what sense this is meant to make. You studied statistics but don't understand how median wage growth works? Lol
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Jul 31, 2019 23:37:34 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Jul 31, 2019 23:37:34 GMT 1, Ok, so what data has been used to give you the idea that it is "undeniable fact" that unemployment is down, and wages are up? Is it childish to dig a little deeper into what you claim is fact? I studies statistics you see, so i kinda know they need to be a little bit thought about in context. Its pretty well known how those employment numbers have been created, but you dont seem to really care about that, who has the agenda? "It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though." Im not sure what sense this is meant to make. You studied statistics but don't understand how median wage growth works? Lol Thats not an answer to my question.
And just to be clear, do you realise by using that as an exit strategy, you are only proving why i made the point in the first place?
Ok, so what data has been used to give you the idea that it is "undeniable fact" that unemployment is down, and wages are up? Is it childish to dig a little deeper into what you claim is fact? I studies statistics you see, so i kinda know they need to be a little bit thought about in context. Its pretty well known how those employment numbers have been created, but you dont seem to really care about that, who has the agenda? "It's a bit weird you'd rather believe the country was doing badly just because it fits your agenda though." Im not sure what sense this is meant to make. You studied statistics but don't understand how median wage growth works? Lol Thats not an answer to my question. And just to be clear, do you realise by using that as an exit strategy, you are only proving why i made the point in the first place?
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Jul 31, 2019 23:43:12 GMT 1
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Brexit, by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 23:43:12 GMT 1, You studied statistics but don't understand how median wage growth works? Lol Thats not an answer to my question. And just to be clear, do you realise by using that as an exit strategy, you are only proving why i made the point in the first place?
You have proved nothing. "Its all lies" is no point, it's just lazy denial.
You studied statistics but don't understand how median wage growth works? Lol Thats not an answer to my question. And just to be clear, do you realise by using that as an exit strategy, you are only proving why i made the point in the first place? You have proved nothing. "Its all lies" is no point, it's just lazy denial.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:54:08 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Jul 31, 2019 23:54:08 GMT 1, Thats not an answer to my question. And just to be clear, do you realise by using that as an exit strategy, you are only proving why i made the point in the first place? You have proved nothing. "Its all lies" is no point, it's just lazy denial. I didnt say i did prove anything. You cant give me any data to work with, so that idea is out. Nor did i say "its all lies".
What YOU managed to prove however, is that you are fully aware of the disparity in wages and how the huge payrises for the already very well paid are skewing the median wage growth, while the average persons wages are stagnant at best since 2008. Which was the point i was originally making.
Thats not an answer to my question. And just to be clear, do you realise by using that as an exit strategy, you are only proving why i made the point in the first place? You have proved nothing. "Its all lies" is no point, it's just lazy denial. I didnt say i did prove anything. You cant give me any data to work with, so that idea is out. Nor did i say "its all lies". What YOU managed to prove however, is that you are fully aware of the disparity in wages and how the huge payrises for the already very well paid are skewing the median wage growth, while the average persons wages are stagnant at best since 2008. Which was the point i was originally making.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:58:43 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Jul 31, 2019 23:58:43 GMT 1, Silly move, but i guess i really didnt think the morons running things could make such a total cock up of an easy transition. Nor did i think they would make peoples lives bargaining chips. Foolish of me, naive, and even unforgivable to some, which considering the possible consequences for them is totally understandable. Different animal to those still backing it though.
Silly move, but i guess i really didnt think the morons running things could make such a total cock up of an easy transition. Nor did i think they would make peoples lives bargaining chips. Foolish of me, naive, and even unforgivable to some, which considering the possible consequences for them is totally understandable. Different animal to those still backing it though.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 0:00:43 GMT 1, You have proved nothing. "Its all lies" is no point, it's just lazy denial. I didnt say i did prove anything. You cant give me any data to work with, so that idea is out. Nor did i say "its all lies". What YOU managed to prove however, is that you are fully aware of the disparity in wages and how the huge payrises for the already very well paid are skewing the median wage growth, while the average persons wages are stagnant at best since 2008. Which was the point i was originally making.
When you say you studied statistics, are we talking like a weekend course?
You have proved nothing. "Its all lies" is no point, it's just lazy denial. I didnt say i did prove anything. You cant give me any data to work with, so that idea is out. Nor did i say "its all lies". What YOU managed to prove however, is that you are fully aware of the disparity in wages and how the huge payrises for the already very well paid are skewing the median wage growth, while the average persons wages are stagnant at best since 2008. Which was the point i was originally making. When you say you studied statistics, are we talking like a weekend course?
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Aug 1, 2019 0:13:14 GMT 1
Brexit, by rebate on Aug 1, 2019 0:13:14 GMT 1, I didnt say i did prove anything. You cant give me any data to work with, so that idea is out. Nor did i say "its all lies". What YOU managed to prove however, is that you are fully aware of the disparity in wages and how the huge payrises for the already very well paid are skewing the median wage growth, while the average persons wages are stagnant at best since 2008. Which was the point i was originally making. When you say you studied statistics, are we talking like a weekend course? No, not really. We are talking part of a Bsc degree course.
But how does that change that fact that you came right round to proving a point you were trying to trash?
I didnt say i did prove anything. You cant give me any data to work with, so that idea is out. Nor did i say "its all lies". What YOU managed to prove however, is that you are fully aware of the disparity in wages and how the huge payrises for the already very well paid are skewing the median wage growth, while the average persons wages are stagnant at best since 2008. Which was the point i was originally making. When you say you studied statistics, are we talking like a weekend course? No, not really. We are talking part of a Bsc degree course. But how does that change that fact that you came right round to proving a point you were trying to trash?
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Brexit, by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 0:14:14 GMT 1, When you say you studied statistics, are we talking like a weekend course? No, not really. We are talking part of a Bsc degree course.
Ah you did a module and misrepresented it, interesting.
Lol
When you say you studied statistics, are we talking like a weekend course? No, not really. We are talking part of a Bsc degree course. Ah you did a module and misrepresented it, interesting. Lol
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Brexit, by rebate on Aug 1, 2019 0:17:38 GMT 1, No, not really. We are talking part of a Bsc degree course. Ah you did a module and misrepresented it, interesting. Lol Nice try, i studied (as i said) statistics, as part of a BSC degree that was reliant on statistics.
Your a very strange person.
No, not really. We are talking part of a Bsc degree course. Ah you did a module and misrepresented it, interesting. Lol Nice try, i studied (as i said) statistics, as part of a BSC degree that was reliant on statistics. Your a very strange person.
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Brexit, by Bill Hicks on Aug 2, 2019 10:58:31 GMT 1, Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job.
In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS.
From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive.
Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 11:55:20 GMT 1, Some interesting results from a by-election here.
Labour came 4th with just over 5% of the votes.
The government now has a majority of just one.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-49200636
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Brexit, by rebate on Aug 2, 2019 12:31:23 GMT 1, It's a beautiful day go out and enjoy it Do you mean, yesterday was a very bad day, and we dont want to talk about it?
1/3 chance of recession even with soft brexit from the BOE (wonder how that happened)
USA said if the backstop goes , we can whistle for our trade deal
Or the leaking of the governments confirmation that "project fear" was in fact project correct?
Rough day.
It's a beautiful day go out and enjoy it Do you mean, yesterday was a very bad day, and we dont want to talk about it? 1/3 chance of recession even with soft brexit from the BOE (wonder how that happened) USA said if the backstop goes , we can whistle for our trade deal Or the leaking of the governments confirmation that "project fear" was in fact project correct? Rough day.
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Brexit, by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 15:34:02 GMT 1, Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive. Great copying and pasting skills, but this article is utterly pointless. Underemployment and unemployment are not the same thing.
Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive. Great copying and pasting skills, but this article is utterly pointless. Underemployment and unemployment are not the same thing.
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Brexit, by rebate on Aug 2, 2019 17:15:52 GMT 1, Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive. Great copying and pasting skills, but this article is utterly pointless. Underemployment and unemployment are not the same thing. In this instance, thats exactly what they are. You are just totally unable to grasp the basics here.
Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive. Great copying and pasting skills, but this article is utterly pointless. Underemployment and unemployment are not the same thing. In this instance, thats exactly what they are. You are just totally unable to grasp the basics here.
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Brexit, by rebate on Aug 2, 2019 17:21:23 GMT 1, Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive. Great copying and pasting skills, but this article is utterly pointless. Underemployment and unemployment are not the same thing. How does this link into the lies you have been repeating for so long?
1/3 chance of recession even with soft brexit from the BOE (wonder how that happened)
USA said if the backstop goes , we can whistle for our trade deal
Or the leaking of the governments confirmation that "project fear" was in fact project correct?
I thought this was all just lies? And this is just yesterdays reality check.
Official UK unemployment statistics. Yet another record-breaking low for unemployment. This is according to the government, not reality on the ground. When taking all the known facts into consideration, that juicy headline is little more than a set of fantasy figures conjured up through ‘creative’ accounting, representing little more than state-issued propaganda. According to the government, unemployment is now just 4%. The actual number of people with jobs rose to 32.54 million, or 75.8%. This is “the highest since comparable estimates began in 1971,” according to the UK’s Office for National Statistics. In 1971 we didn’t have the ‘gig-economy’, zero-hours contracts or a complete reclassification of what employment actually means though. The reality on the ground is not reflected by reality in all sorts of other indicators. “Headline” unemployment is only at a record low because of a number of hidden statistics such as the 42% increase in the number of people who are in “involuntary” part-time work. “Involuntary” means exactly that – they’re only working part-time because they cannot get a full-time job. In March 2006, just about at the peak of the economic boom that preceded the great financial crisis, involuntary part-time work was at a low. It then rose to a peak after the 2008 crisis. But today, after 10 years of so-called economic growth, it has reached 881,000 — an increase of 42% over the period, this is again according to the ONS. From 2010 to 2015 just one in 40 jobs available in the UK were permanent full-time jobs and not much will have changed since then. With four per cent unemployment, any country would be trumpeting itself as having full employment. Therefore, anyone who wants a job should be able to get one and wages should be rocketing up. But 881,000 part-time workers need full-time jobs. What they want is the kind of work that pays them enough to sustain themselves — and those jobs are just not available. And that’s still only one part of the story. The average part-time employee in Britain works for about 16 hours a week, less than half the 40 hours generally considered to constitute anything like “full-time” work. This is again according to the ONS. And don’t forget the vast majority of these people have no permanent employment status, pensions or employment conditions that come with full-time permanent work. A BBC Reality Check asked the Office for National Statistics (ONS) whether working just one hour a week was all that was needed to be officially classified as employed? The ONS confirmed that was the case. Another way to look at this is to say that if “involuntary” part-timers were reclassified as “unemployed” on the basis that there is no chance of being able to support themselves without state aid — then the UK unemployment rate would be somewhere in the region of 7%. And this still does not include those on zero-hours contracts. And even if it did the only direction of travel for unemployment would be upwards. Just nine months ago, employment contracts without a minimum number of guaranteed hours, known as ‘zero-hours’ contracts increased to 1.8m – a rise of 100,000 on the year before. And as mentioned, these people only have to work one hour a week for the government to record them as employed. Then there’s what the government term as ‘economically inactive.’ These people are not in employment, who have also not been seeking work within the last 4 weeks and/or are unable to start work within the next 2 weeks. In other words – given up. This may be for all sorts of reasons, but there’s over 8 million not recorded as unemployed either. Worse still, none of the above includes the self-employed – a significant percentage of whom could not find suitable employment. New analysis published by the TUC last September shows that half (49%) of self-employed adults aged 25 and over are earning less than minimum wage – a total of two million people. Self-employment has accounted for a growing share of the workforce in recent years, rising from 12% of workers in 2001 to 15% in 2018 as a direct result of a lack of full-time or even stable part-time work. You might wonder how it is that unemployment now officially at just 4 per cent manages to see negative social indicators increasing at such an alarming rate. Household debt is at a record high, so is homelessness, deprivation, use of food banks, child poverty, energy and food poverty along with its main driver – inequality. The average pay of the 90%, (by stripping out all earnings of the top 10%, including the 1% and 0.1% groups) leaves an annual income of just £12,969. With average pay calculations, many are earning more than that stated number, but equally just as many earn less. The government states that average pay in the UK is £569 per week/£29,588 pa. But that includes billionaires and millionaires. All this ’employment’ the government are crowing about also appears to have impoverished the nation in just eight years. Out of the 30 OECD countries in the LIS data set, published by Inequality Trust, the UK is the seventh most unequal and is the fourth most unequal in Europe. But Britain is supposedly the fifth or sixth (depending on the numbers published) richest nation on earth. And when it comes to inequality it is clear where it emanates from. According to a report published in the FT last August, the UK has the highest proportion of wealth tied up in land of any G7 country, which accounts for £5tn out of a total of £9.8tn worth of net wealth at market value in the UK, meaning it makes up about 51 per cent of the country’s total wealth. That’s fine if you have a high paying full-time permanent job to afford a large deposit and mortgage in what is now Europe’s worst housing crisis for those on average pay. The final consequence to all this is that approximately half of all households in Britain receive benefits or are dependent on benefits of some kind simply to survive. Great copying and pasting skills, but this article is utterly pointless. Underemployment and unemployment are not the same thing. How does this link into the lies you have been repeating for so long? 1/3 chance of recession even with soft brexit from the BOE (wonder how that happened) USA said if the backstop goes , we can whistle for our trade deal Or the leaking of the governments confirmation that "project fear" was in fact project correct? I thought this was all just lies? And this is just yesterdays reality check.
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