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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 26, 2017 22:11:42 GMT 1, There's only 1 person who makes sense to me, Mhairi Black. Her Maiden Speech is one of the best ever and she makes a good point about Labour, I think aimed at not so much Corbyn but the rest of the party who would rather abstain from votes and important decisions rather than stand up and be a proper opposition to the current govt. to genuinely help those in need in this country. I'd love her as PM but she hates Westminster & even donates her wages she gets from them to charity.
She's good. I looked at her website and her wiki page. I hope she gets re elected.
There's only 1 person who makes sense to me, Mhairi Black. Her Maiden Speech is one of the best ever and she makes a good point about Labour, I think aimed at not so much Corbyn but the rest of the party who would rather abstain from votes and important decisions rather than stand up and be a proper opposition to the current govt. to genuinely help those in need in this country. I'd love her as PM but she hates Westminster & even donates her wages she gets from them to charity. She's good. I looked at her website and her wiki page. I hope she gets re elected. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 27, 2017 14:05:36 GMT 1, I cannot see any party capable of negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU.
The UK can tell the EU to go screw themselves and get the same deal.
Thousands of German and French made etc cars entering the UK on a weekly basis. German and other contracts given to build trains and ships for the UK. The French EDF energy firm in the UK etc etc.
These EU countries have the most to lose if that alcoholic tax evasion aiding crook Juncker sticks his big nose into the negotiations.
Considering the Tory cabinet comprises people who fronted the Brexit leave campaign and lied indicates that the same people will lie to the UK people and tell them they are negotiating this deal while in reality doing another deal.
Labour agenda is Leave the UK and do nothing to stop UK based companies moving to an EU country then cover up their incompetence.
Lib Dems would do a Norway type deal which would include jumping to Merkels tune.
UKIP would do nothing.
Greens would create no jobs and open the borders to more migrants.
Regarding voting.
My view is that people who have dual citizenship. British and another should not be allowed to vote unless they relinquish the other citizenship.
Plus people who live in the UK and cannot be bothered to learn to speak English should not be allowed to vote either as it's clear where their loyalties lie.
It looks like the Tories will win the election and negotiate a Brexit deal that only benefits people living in the south of the UK and pretend the north does not exist.
I cannot see any party capable of negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU.
The UK can tell the EU to go screw themselves and get the same deal.
Thousands of German and French made etc cars entering the UK on a weekly basis. German and other contracts given to build trains and ships for the UK. The French EDF energy firm in the UK etc etc.
These EU countries have the most to lose if that alcoholic tax evasion aiding crook Juncker sticks his big nose into the negotiations.
Considering the Tory cabinet comprises people who fronted the Brexit leave campaign and lied indicates that the same people will lie to the UK people and tell them they are negotiating this deal while in reality doing another deal.
Labour agenda is Leave the UK and do nothing to stop UK based companies moving to an EU country then cover up their incompetence.
Lib Dems would do a Norway type deal which would include jumping to Merkels tune.
UKIP would do nothing.
Greens would create no jobs and open the borders to more migrants.
Regarding voting.
My view is that people who have dual citizenship. British and another should not be allowed to vote unless they relinquish the other citizenship.
Plus people who live in the UK and cannot be bothered to learn to speak English should not be allowed to vote either as it's clear where their loyalties lie.
It looks like the Tories will win the election and negotiate a Brexit deal that only benefits people living in the south of the UK and pretend the north does not exist.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 27, 2017 22:50:01 GMT 1,
May, literally slaughtered by her "friends" and allies.
strong and stable
Abbott is still 19.7 billion pounds cheaper than this mug and he "runs" our economy!
Pob just isnt that sure what the hell is going on.
as for your last video, what would you rather? he comes out and condemns the IRA as a singular group and destroys the peace just to pacify the press? Do you not get that hes making the sane choice while the press etc desperately try to make him screw up by shaming them even though that risks more violence? That would be stupid. And he has stated many times he condemns all bombings, so that story is one of the vilest and most divisive things i have ever seen manipulated into being.
did you miss this lady in the news by any chance?
tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/former-active-ira-member-serving-as-tory-party-councillor/
what does this pic say? is it Kent out to support Sussex or vice versa, or was it maybe the NEITHER Kent or Sussex tories were up for being there to support their "leader"
This sums it all up really.
May, literally slaughtered by her "friends" and allies. strong and stable Abbott is still 19.7 billion pounds cheaper than this mug and he "runs" our economy! Pob just isnt that sure what the hell is going on. as for your last video, what would you rather? he comes out and condemns the IRA as a singular group and destroys the peace just to pacify the press? Do you not get that hes making the sane choice while the press etc desperately try to make him screw up by shaming them even though that risks more violence? That would be stupid. And he has stated many times he condemns all bombings, so that story is one of the vilest and most divisive things i have ever seen manipulated into being. did you miss this lady in the news by any chance? tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/former-active-ira-member-serving-as-tory-party-councillor/what does this pic say? is it Kent out to support Sussex or vice versa, or was it maybe the NEITHER Kent or Sussex tories were up for being there to support their "leader" This sums it all up really. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 28, 2017 19:49:12 GMT 1, Strange that May refuses to take part in the leaders debate. She must think the Tories have the election in the bag. Or maybe that Rudd has better knowledge on peoples concerns at the moment and jump on that band wagon for political points scoring.
Strange that May refuses to take part in the leaders debate. She must think the Tories have the election in the bag. Or maybe that Rudd has better knowledge on peoples concerns at the moment and jump on that band wagon for political points scoring.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 28, 2017 20:03:55 GMT 1, Strange that May refuses to take part in the leaders debate. She must think the Tories have the election in the bag. Or maybe that Rudd has better knowledge on peoples concerns at the moment and jump on that band wagon for political points scoring.
Its not confidence that leads her to do this, that couldnt be further from the truth! Its weakness, poor performance, poor image, lack of ability to control her anger and for that matter her face. Which oozes hate and discontent any time she is questioned on something she doesnt like, and also shows how unable to negotiate or deal with stressful situations she is. She certainly ISNT a calm head in a negotiation, which is whats needed.
Basically, shes a piss poor figure head so is sending in someone else, even though that totally undermines her credibility. I still think she is just throwing it all under the bus to get out. Worst effort from a "leader" ive ever seen!
Strange that May refuses to take part in the leaders debate. She must think the Tories have the election in the bag. Or maybe that Rudd has better knowledge on peoples concerns at the moment and jump on that band wagon for political points scoring. are you sure you dont mean she is blatantly shit scared of being in front of people not to mention totally useless at it? So she has sent in Rudd who is dumb enough to think this will in some way score her points or maybe further her carer. May can then at least say she wasnt the one responsible for the screw up that will be the tory showing in the "leaders" debate. Its not confidence that leads her to do this, that couldnt be further from the truth! Its weakness, poor performance, poor image, lack of ability to control her anger and for that matter her face. Which oozes hate and discontent any time she is questioned on something she doesnt like, and also shows how unable to negotiate or deal with stressful situations she is. She certainly ISNT a calm head in a negotiation, which is whats needed. Basically, shes a piss poor figure head so is sending in someone else, even though that totally undermines her credibility. I still think she is just throwing it all under the bus to get out. Worst effort from a "leader" ive ever seen! |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 28, 2017 20:26:02 GMT 1, Strange that May refuses to take part in the leaders debate. She must think the Tories have the election in the bag. Or maybe that Rudd has better knowledge on peoples concerns at the moment and jump on that band wagon for political points scoring. are you sure you dont mean she is blatantlys**t scared of being in front of people not to mention totally useless at it? So she has sent in Rudd who is dumb enough to think this will in some way score her points or maybe further her carer. May can then at least say she wasnt the one responsible for the screw up that will be the tory showing in the "leaders" debate. Its not confidence that leads her to do this, that couldnt be further from the truth! Its weakness, poor performance, poor image, lack of ability to control her anger and for that matter her face. Which oozes hate and discontent any time she is questioned on something she doesnt like, and also shows how unable to negotiate or deal with stressful situations she is. She certainly ISNT a calm head in a negotiation, which is whats needed. Basically, shes a piss poor figure head so is sending in someone else, even though that totally undermines her credibility. I still think she is just throwing it all under the bus to get out. Worst effort from a "leader" ive ever seen!
May was not elected as PM, it was Cameron who jumped ship and May was only elected leader of the Tory party by Tory members not the population.
Wonder who the next Tory party leader will be?
Strange that May refuses to take part in the leaders debate. She must think the Tories have the election in the bag. Or maybe that Rudd has better knowledge on peoples concerns at the moment and jump on that band wagon for political points scoring. are you sure you dont mean she is blatantlys**t scared of being in front of people not to mention totally useless at it? So she has sent in Rudd who is dumb enough to think this will in some way score her points or maybe further her carer. May can then at least say she wasnt the one responsible for the screw up that will be the tory showing in the "leaders" debate. Its not confidence that leads her to do this, that couldnt be further from the truth! Its weakness, poor performance, poor image, lack of ability to control her anger and for that matter her face. Which oozes hate and discontent any time she is questioned on something she doesnt like, and also shows how unable to negotiate or deal with stressful situations she is. She certainly ISNT a calm head in a negotiation, which is whats needed. Basically, shes a piss poor figure head so is sending in someone else, even though that totally undermines her credibility. I still think she is just throwing it all under the bus to get out. Worst effort from a "leader" ive ever seen!
May was not elected as PM, it was Cameron who jumped ship and May was only elected leader of the Tory party by Tory members not the population.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 28, 2017 21:30:28 GMT 1, are you sure you dont mean she is blatantlys**t scared of being in front of people not to mention totally useless at it? So she has sent in Rudd who is dumb enough to think this will in some way score her points or maybe further her carer. May can then at least say she wasnt the one responsible for the screw up that will be the tory showing in the "leaders" debate. Its not confidence that leads her to do this, that couldnt be further from the truth! Its weakness, poor performance, poor image, lack of ability to control her anger and for that matter her face. Which oozes hate and discontent any time she is questioned on something she doesnt like, and also shows how unable to negotiate or deal with stressful situations she is. She certainly ISNT a calm head in a negotiation, which is whats needed. Basically, shes a piss poor figure head so is sending in someone else, even though that totally undermines her credibility. I still think she is just throwing it all under the bus to get out. Worst effort from a "leader" ive ever seen!
May was not elected as PM, it was Cameron who jumped ship and May was only elected leader of the Tory party by Tory members not the population.
Wonder who the next Tory party leader will be?
Im loving watching it, but amazed at how many people still seem to back her! it almost defies logic to watch her actions and still be able to think "yes, thats the person i want in charge, and those are the decisions that will make lives better" But she is managing to turn huge numbers of people off now, it just seems she really has to put in the effort to screw it up! Thats one area where i have faith in her ability to excell though.
yougov polls are interesting watching for someone that really doesnt trust polls too. Having realised the mistake of having a perceived huge majority (you voters decide its a whitewash and stay in to watch eastenders instead of voting) they have now shot back into labours favour to the point of a 5 point tory lead. im pretty much anticipating them heading to a full on 30 point labour lead now in the hope of keeping labour voters on their arses at home instead of the tory faithfull. It seems like a crazy swing in so little time, but nothing nothing would shock me now. I mean yougov is tory owned, it sure as hell isnt going to be offering balanced opinion polls now is it.
are you sure you dont mean she is blatantlys**t scared of being in front of people not to mention totally useless at it? So she has sent in Rudd who is dumb enough to think this will in some way score her points or maybe further her carer. May can then at least say she wasnt the one responsible for the screw up that will be the tory showing in the "leaders" debate. Its not confidence that leads her to do this, that couldnt be further from the truth! Its weakness, poor performance, poor image, lack of ability to control her anger and for that matter her face. Which oozes hate and discontent any time she is questioned on something she doesnt like, and also shows how unable to negotiate or deal with stressful situations she is. She certainly ISNT a calm head in a negotiation, which is whats needed. Basically, shes a piss poor figure head so is sending in someone else, even though that totally undermines her credibility. I still think she is just throwing it all under the bus to get out. Worst effort from a "leader" ive ever seen!
May was not elected as PM, it was Cameron who jumped ship and May was only elected leader of the Tory party by Tory members not the population.
Wonder who the next Tory party leader will be? fully agree with that last bit. i have hope that she wont be left with much to lead though! May if she is throwing it under the bus, is going out on a scorched earth policy. As you say, she was parachuted in when it was deemed safe to do so, then SHE decided an election was a good idea. I bet the rest were dead set against that plan! Since then, she just seems to keep finding ways to out do the last piss poor decision she made. Im loving watching it, but amazed at how many people still seem to back her! it almost defies logic to watch her actions and still be able to think "yes, thats the person i want in charge, and those are the decisions that will make lives better" But she is managing to turn huge numbers of people off now, it just seems she really has to put in the effort to screw it up! Thats one area where i have faith in her ability to excell though. yougov polls are interesting watching for someone that really doesnt trust polls too. Having realised the mistake of having a perceived huge majority (you voters decide its a whitewash and stay in to watch eastenders instead of voting) they have now shot back into labours favour to the point of a 5 point tory lead. im pretty much anticipating them heading to a full on 30 point labour lead now in the hope of keeping labour voters on their arses at home instead of the tory faithfull. It seems like a crazy swing in so little time, but nothing nothing would shock me now. I mean yougov is tory owned, it sure as hell isnt going to be offering balanced opinion polls now is it. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 12:44:23 GMT 1, Polls just like the news and journalism are biased to whatever globalist agenda is behind all of thes prostitutes, I mean politicians and journalists.
In all political parties there are liars and people who sold out for a fast buck.
The Tories are bankers.
Labour are marxists supported by no borders trust funded scammers.
UKIP are racists in reality against the British.
All the rest are just tagging along.
Polls just like the news and journalism are biased to whatever globalist agenda is behind all of thes prostitutes, I mean politicians and journalists.
In all political parties there are liars and people who sold out for a fast buck.
The Tories are bankers.
Labour are marxists supported by no borders trust funded scammers.
UKIP are racists in reality against the British.
All the rest are just tagging along.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 29, 2017 12:58:10 GMT 1, Polls just like the news and journalism are biased to whatever globalist agenda is behind all of thes prostitutes, I mean politicians and journalists. Labour are marxists supported by no borders trust funded scammers.
Also, is there anything so wrong about taking some Marxist ideals and reforming them into something new that works? if thats even his plan! Just believing in the principles doesnt mean he is going to reintroduce the Communist manifesto.
I believe in a lot of budhist ideology, but youd never know it if you met me.
left the first bit as i cant agree more!
Polls just like the news and journalism are biased to whatever globalist agenda is behind all of thes prostitutes, I mean politicians and journalists. Labour are marxists supported by no borders trust funded scammers. can you expand on this bit? i mean when it comes to trust funds the Tories will be a long way ahead of labour. Also, is there anything so wrong about taking some Marxist ideals and reforming them into something new that works? if thats even his plan! Just believing in the principles doesnt mean he is going to reintroduce the Communist manifesto. I believe in a lot of budhist ideology, but youd never know it if you met me. left the first bit as i cant agree more! |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 13:40:18 GMT 1, Polls just like the news and journalism are biased to whatever globalist agenda is behind all of thes prostitutes, I mean politicians and journalists. Labour are marxists supported by no borders trust funded scammers. can you expand on this bit? i mean when it comes to trust funds the Tories will be a long way ahead of labour. Also, is there anything so wrong about taking some Marxist ideals and reforming them into something new that works? if thats even his plan! Just believing in the principles doesnt mean he is going to reintroduce the Communist manifesto. I believe in a lot of budhist ideology, but youd never know it if you met me. left the first bit as i cant agree more!
1. Marxism believes that capitalism is not only an economic system but is also a political system.
2. Marxism believes that economic conflict produces class (rich, middle and poor) and inherently class produces conflict.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sociology/theories-in-sociology/marxist-concepts/
A couple of points from the link above.
Where I think Marxism shoots itself in the foot.
Marxism believes capitalism is also a political system,and so is Marxism a political system. Capitalism is not a political system. It is a system based on making a profit and created by the people who run the banks.
There are plenty of very rich people who spout Marxist ideology who themselves are capitalists and who prop up capitalism.
Marxism today or the version of Marxism that is promoted is a scam and a fraud against the poor telling them that with marxism, the poor will always be poor but don't worry we will control the money on your behalf and make sure that under us you are comfortably poor.
What did Marx mean by "economic conflict"? Did he mean gaining economically through violence or did he mean gaining through controlling assets and working to raise prices?
If economic conflict is about the rich against the poor then as I said before there are plenty of rich who support Marxist ideology and who give nothing to the poor directly and who refuse to mix with the poor and would rather hang out with other rich people and luvvies.
"Class produces conflict" I guess in todays world, class has been re defined. It doesn't seem to matter if one is ignorant as shit as long as that person is wealthy or a celebrity or employed at a high level in the financial sector etc. Elitism is todays upper class. No matter how stupid a person is they will always be accepted by other elites if that person has money or has a large following as do people in the media and entertainment , sporting industry.
In reality religious ideology and religious politicism is the conflict creator today.
Just like religious ideology of any religion that tells us how to live our lives. Anyone with any sense knows the difference between good and bad, honesty and being fair in society and towards others and doesn't need some religious book to tell them the difference between who or what is good or bad and whats best for them and for others.
Just like religion. Marxism is a scam.
Did Marx actually ever work for a living and contribute anything?
Polls just like the news and journalism are biased to whatever globalist agenda is behind all of thes prostitutes, I mean politicians and journalists. Labour are marxists supported by no borders trust funded scammers. can you expand on this bit? i mean when it comes to trust funds the Tories will be a long way ahead of labour. Also, is there anything so wrong about taking some Marxist ideals and reforming them into something new that works? if thats even his plan! Just believing in the principles doesnt mean he is going to reintroduce the Communist manifesto. I believe in a lot of budhist ideology, but youd never know it if you met me. left the first bit as i cant agree more!
2. Marxism believes that economic conflict produces class (rich, middle and poor) and inherently class produces conflict.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sociology/theories-in-sociology/marxist-concepts/
A couple of points from the link above.
Where I think Marxism shoots itself in the foot.
Marxism believes capitalism is also a political system,and so is Marxism a political system. Capitalism is not a political system. It is a system based on making a profit and created by the people who run the banks.
There are plenty of very rich people who spout Marxist ideology who themselves are capitalists and who prop up capitalism.
Marxism today or the version of Marxism that is promoted is a scam and a fraud against the poor telling them that with marxism, the poor will always be poor but don't worry we will control the money on your behalf and make sure that under us you are comfortably poor.
What did Marx mean by "economic conflict"? Did he mean gaining economically through violence or did he mean gaining through controlling assets and working to raise prices?
If economic conflict is about the rich against the poor then as I said before there are plenty of rich who support Marxist ideology and who give nothing to the poor directly and who refuse to mix with the poor and would rather hang out with other rich people and luvvies.
"Class produces conflict" I guess in todays world, class has been re defined. It doesn't seem to matter if one is ignorant as shit as long as that person is wealthy or a celebrity or employed at a high level in the financial sector etc. Elitism is todays upper class. No matter how stupid a person is they will always be accepted by other elites if that person has money or has a large following as do people in the media and entertainment , sporting industry.
In reality religious ideology and religious politicism is the conflict creator today.
Just like religious ideology of any religion that tells us how to live our lives. Anyone with any sense knows the difference between good and bad, honesty and being fair in society and towards others and doesn't need some religious book to tell them the difference between who or what is good or bad and whats best for them and for others.
Just like religion. Marxism is a scam.
Did Marx actually ever work for a living and contribute anything?
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Pawel on May 29, 2017 14:07:25 GMT 1, The kennardphillipps print I got from them was the worst packed and worst quality piece I have seen for many years. Was it £30?
It seems that my copy will be shipped tomorrow so will post about quality of the piece and the packaging once I get it. Got confirmation that they are signed.
The kennardphillipps print I got from them was the worst packed and worst quality piece I have seen for many years. Was it £30? It seems that my copy will be shipped tomorrow so will post about quality of the piece and the packaging once I get it. Got confirmation that they are signed. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 29, 2017 14:28:03 GMT 1, can you expand on this bit? i mean when it comes to trust funds the Tories will be a long way ahead of labour. Also, is there anything so wrong about taking some Marxist ideals and reforming them into something new that works? if thats even his plan! Just believing in the principles doesnt mean he is going to reintroduce the Communist manifesto. I believe in a lot of budhist ideology, but youd never know it if you met me. left the first bit as i cant agree more!
2. Marxism believes that economic conflict produces class (rich, middle and poor) and inherently class produces conflict.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sociology/theories-in-sociology/marxist-concepts/
A couple of points from the link above.
Where I think Marxism shoots itself in the foot.
Marxism believes capitalism is also a political system,and so is Marxism a political system. Capitalism is not a political system. It is a system based on making a profit and created by the people who run the banks.
There are plenty of very rich people who spout Marxist ideology who themselves are capitalists and who prop up capitalism.
Marxism today or the version of Marxism that is promoted is a scam and a fraud against the poor telling them that with marxism, the poor will always be poor but don't worry we will control the money on your behalf and make sure that under us you are comfortably poor.
What did Marx mean by "economic conflict"? Did he mean gaining economically through violence or did he mean gaining through controlling assets and working to raise prices?
If economic conflict is about the rich against the poor then as I said before there are plenty of rich who support Marxist ideology and who give nothing to the poor directly and who refuse to mix with the poor and would rather hang out with other rich people and luvvies.
"Class produces conflict" I guess in todays world, class has been re defined. It doesn't seem to matter if one is ignorant ass**t as long as that person is wealthy or a celebrity or employed at a high level in the financial sector etc. Elitism is todays upper class. No matter how stupid a person is they will always be accepted by other elites if that person has money or has a large following as do people in the media and entertainment , sporting industry.
In reality religious ideology and religious politicism is the conflict creator today.
Just like religious ideology of any religion that tells us how to live our lives. Anyone with any sense knows the difference between good and bad, honesty and being fair in society and towards others and doesn't need some religious book to tell them the difference between who or what is good or bad and whats best for them and for others.
Just like religion. Marxism is a scam.
Did Marx actually ever work for a living and contribute anything?
I do still wonder if your more worried about what has been seen in the past and letting it cloud the idea that Corbyn may take the best elements of various ideals and find a way to improve our future though. after all, many "new" concepts are often reimaginations of what went before.
im retaining my gushing hope!! and lets be honest, May is 6 hours from one of the worst moments of her life. Shes probably holed up mainlining valium somewhere!
can you expand on this bit? i mean when it comes to trust funds the Tories will be a long way ahead of labour. Also, is there anything so wrong about taking some Marxist ideals and reforming them into something new that works? if thats even his plan! Just believing in the principles doesnt mean he is going to reintroduce the Communist manifesto. I believe in a lot of budhist ideology, but youd never know it if you met me. left the first bit as i cant agree more!
2. Marxism believes that economic conflict produces class (rich, middle and poor) and inherently class produces conflict.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sociology/theories-in-sociology/marxist-concepts/
A couple of points from the link above.
Where I think Marxism shoots itself in the foot.
Marxism believes capitalism is also a political system,and so is Marxism a political system. Capitalism is not a political system. It is a system based on making a profit and created by the people who run the banks.
There are plenty of very rich people who spout Marxist ideology who themselves are capitalists and who prop up capitalism.
Marxism today or the version of Marxism that is promoted is a scam and a fraud against the poor telling them that with marxism, the poor will always be poor but don't worry we will control the money on your behalf and make sure that under us you are comfortably poor.
What did Marx mean by "economic conflict"? Did he mean gaining economically through violence or did he mean gaining through controlling assets and working to raise prices?
If economic conflict is about the rich against the poor then as I said before there are plenty of rich who support Marxist ideology and who give nothing to the poor directly and who refuse to mix with the poor and would rather hang out with other rich people and luvvies.
"Class produces conflict" I guess in todays world, class has been re defined. It doesn't seem to matter if one is ignorant ass**t as long as that person is wealthy or a celebrity or employed at a high level in the financial sector etc. Elitism is todays upper class. No matter how stupid a person is they will always be accepted by other elites if that person has money or has a large following as do people in the media and entertainment , sporting industry.
In reality religious ideology and religious politicism is the conflict creator today.
Just like religious ideology of any religion that tells us how to live our lives. Anyone with any sense knows the difference between good and bad, honesty and being fair in society and towards others and doesn't need some religious book to tell them the difference between who or what is good or bad and whats best for them and for others.
Just like religion. Marxism is a scam.
Did Marx actually ever work for a living and contribute anything?
ok i see what you mean re the trust fund stuff. But if they are buying into Corbyns version and are top 5% then they are the exact people he says he will target. There is nothing in Corbyns past to suggest he plans to do anything but good for the poor, hes stood by his views from day dot and has a solid history to go with it. admittedly he isnt the be all and end all of making it work! I do still wonder if your more worried about what has been seen in the past and letting it cloud the idea that Corbyn may take the best elements of various ideals and find a way to improve our future though. after all, many "new" concepts are often reimaginations of what went before. im retaining my gushing hope!! and lets be honest, May is 6 hours from one of the worst moments of her life. Shes probably holed up mainlining valium somewhere! |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 14:45:28 GMT 1, 1. Marxism believes that capitalism is not only an economic system but is also a political system.
2. Marxism believes that economic conflict produces class (rich, middle and poor) and inherently class produces conflict.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sociology/theories-in-sociology/marxist-concepts/
A couple of points from the link above.
Where I think Marxism shoots itself in the foot.
Marxism believes capitalism is also a political system,and so is Marxism a political system. Capitalism is not a political system. It is a system based on making a profit and created by the people who run the banks.
There are plenty of very rich people who spout Marxist ideology who themselves are capitalists and who prop up capitalism.
Marxism today or the version of Marxism that is promoted is a scam and a fraud against the poor telling them that with marxism, the poor will always be poor but don't worry we will control the money on your behalf and make sure that under us you are comfortably poor.
What did Marx mean by "economic conflict"? Did he mean gaining economically through violence or did he mean gaining through controlling assets and working to raise prices?
If economic conflict is about the rich against the poor then as I said before there are plenty of rich who support Marxist ideology and who give nothing to the poor directly and who refuse to mix with the poor and would rather hang out with other rich people and luvvies.
"Class produces conflict" I guess in todays world, class has been re defined. It doesn't seem to matter if one is ignorant ass**t as long as that person is wealthy or a celebrity or employed at a high level in the financial sector etc. Elitism is todays upper class. No matter how stupid a person is they will always be accepted by other elites if that person has money or has a large following as do people in the media and entertainment , sporting industry.
In reality religious ideology and religious politicism is the conflict creator today.
Just like religious ideology of any religion that tells us how to live our lives. Anyone with any sense knows the difference between good and bad, honesty and being fair in society and towards others and doesn't need some religious book to tell them the difference between who or what is good or bad and whats best for them and for others.
Just like religion. Marxism is a scam.
Did Marx actually ever work for a living and contribute anything?
ok i see what you mean re the trust fund stuff. But if they are buying into Corbyns version and are top 5% then they are the exact people he says he will target. There is nothing in Corbyns past to suggest he plans to do anything but good for the poor, hes stood by his views from day dot and has a solid history to go with it. admittedly he isnt the be all and end all of making it work! I do still wonder if your more worried about what has been seen in the past and letting it cloud the idea that Corbyn may take the best elements of various ideals and find a way to improve our future though. after all, many "new" concepts are often reimaginations of what went before. im retaining my gushing hope!! and lets be honest, May is 6 hours from one of the worst moments of her life. Shes probably holed up mainlining valium somewhere!
I think Corbyn's a bit of an enigma.
He has made some good points. I'm not so sure about people in his cabinet like Diane Abbot.
Surely any prime minister needs to choose the best people for cabinet positions
In reality as long as tax loop holes exist. No matter what the tax rate is, the rich will always avoid paying tax. The poor are always double taxed. They pay tax on their earnings plus they pay tax on petrol and tax and VAT on things they buy too.
I havent seen any political party say they will do anything about the out of control crimes burglary violence etc etc that is blighting many parts of the UK. Too much victim blaming and sympathy for criminals these days.
1. Marxism believes that capitalism is not only an economic system but is also a political system.
2. Marxism believes that economic conflict produces class (rich, middle and poor) and inherently class produces conflict.
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sociology/theories-in-sociology/marxist-concepts/
A couple of points from the link above.
Where I think Marxism shoots itself in the foot.
Marxism believes capitalism is also a political system,and so is Marxism a political system. Capitalism is not a political system. It is a system based on making a profit and created by the people who run the banks.
There are plenty of very rich people who spout Marxist ideology who themselves are capitalists and who prop up capitalism.
Marxism today or the version of Marxism that is promoted is a scam and a fraud against the poor telling them that with marxism, the poor will always be poor but don't worry we will control the money on your behalf and make sure that under us you are comfortably poor.
What did Marx mean by "economic conflict"? Did he mean gaining economically through violence or did he mean gaining through controlling assets and working to raise prices?
If economic conflict is about the rich against the poor then as I said before there are plenty of rich who support Marxist ideology and who give nothing to the poor directly and who refuse to mix with the poor and would rather hang out with other rich people and luvvies.
"Class produces conflict" I guess in todays world, class has been re defined. It doesn't seem to matter if one is ignorant ass**t as long as that person is wealthy or a celebrity or employed at a high level in the financial sector etc. Elitism is todays upper class. No matter how stupid a person is they will always be accepted by other elites if that person has money or has a large following as do people in the media and entertainment , sporting industry.
In reality religious ideology and religious politicism is the conflict creator today.
Just like religious ideology of any religion that tells us how to live our lives. Anyone with any sense knows the difference between good and bad, honesty and being fair in society and towards others and doesn't need some religious book to tell them the difference between who or what is good or bad and whats best for them and for others.
Just like religion. Marxism is a scam.
Did Marx actually ever work for a living and contribute anything?
ok i see what you mean re the trust fund stuff. But if they are buying into Corbyns version and are top 5% then they are the exact people he says he will target. There is nothing in Corbyns past to suggest he plans to do anything but good for the poor, hes stood by his views from day dot and has a solid history to go with it. admittedly he isnt the be all and end all of making it work! I do still wonder if your more worried about what has been seen in the past and letting it cloud the idea that Corbyn may take the best elements of various ideals and find a way to improve our future though. after all, many "new" concepts are often reimaginations of what went before. im retaining my gushing hope!! and lets be honest, May is 6 hours from one of the worst moments of her life. Shes probably holed up mainlining valium somewhere!
He has made some good points. I'm not so sure about people in his cabinet like Diane Abbot.
Surely any prime minister needs to choose the best people for cabinet positions
In reality as long as tax loop holes exist. No matter what the tax rate is, the rich will always avoid paying tax. The poor are always double taxed. They pay tax on their earnings plus they pay tax on petrol and tax and VAT on things they buy too.
I havent seen any political party say they will do anything about the out of control crimes burglary violence etc etc that is blighting many parts of the UK. Too much victim blaming and sympathy for criminals these days. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 29, 2017 15:13:18 GMT 1, ok i see what you mean re the trust fund stuff. But if they are buying into Corbyns version and are top 5% then they are the exact people he says he will target. There is nothing in Corbyns past to suggest he plans to do anything but good for the poor, hes stood by his views from day dot and has a solid history to go with it. admittedly he isnt the be all and end all of making it work! I do still wonder if your more worried about what has been seen in the past and letting it cloud the idea that Corbyn may take the best elements of various ideals and find a way to improve our future though. after all, many "new" concepts are often reimaginations of what went before. im retaining my gushing hope!! and lets be honest, May is 6 hours from one of the worst moments of her life. Shes probably holed up mainlining valium somewhere!
He has made some good points. I'm not so sure about people in his cabinet like Diane Abbot.
Surely any prime minister needs to choose the best people for cabinet positions
In reality as long as tax loop holes exist. No matter what the tax rate is, the rich will always avoid paying tax. The poor are always double taxed. They pay tax on their earnings plus they pay tax on petrol and tax and VAT on things they buy too.
I havent seen any political party say they will do anything about the out of control crimes burglary violence etc etc that is blighting many parts of the UK. Too much victim blaming and sympathy for criminals these days.
I thought he had said he will close the loopholes no? could be wrong, but id be sure that he will. along with doing something about the tax havens to some degree. and the corporate giveaways. Im sure he will be chasing all the unpaid corporation tax the Tories have no interest in too. That could amount to some hell of a lot of money, and i think a fair few big companies will pay up before he gets on their case. It would be better for them, if he is going to make a point of it. Easy left when you know the government dont care if you pay or not.
Ive seen stuff saying the crime rate has increased, (no surprise, less cops less capabilities. not hard) but not seen anything about places like you describe. there are no war zones here.
im not sure what you mean by sympathy for criminals. is it sympathy though? or is it more about finding the causes and dealing with them before things escalate? i mean you could say not putting a heroin addict in jail for stealing is sympathy, but if they are going into a programme to get clean, then they are less likely to steal than they were if you jailed them. Its more a pragmatic approach to a solution than sympathy.
ok i see what you mean re the trust fund stuff. But if they are buying into Corbyns version and are top 5% then they are the exact people he says he will target. There is nothing in Corbyns past to suggest he plans to do anything but good for the poor, hes stood by his views from day dot and has a solid history to go with it. admittedly he isnt the be all and end all of making it work! I do still wonder if your more worried about what has been seen in the past and letting it cloud the idea that Corbyn may take the best elements of various ideals and find a way to improve our future though. after all, many "new" concepts are often reimaginations of what went before. im retaining my gushing hope!! and lets be honest, May is 6 hours from one of the worst moments of her life. Shes probably holed up mainlining valium somewhere!
He has made some good points. I'm not so sure about people in his cabinet like Diane Abbot.
Surely any prime minister needs to choose the best people for cabinet positions
In reality as long as tax loop holes exist. No matter what the tax rate is, the rich will always avoid paying tax. The poor are always double taxed. They pay tax on their earnings plus they pay tax on petrol and tax and VAT on things they buy too.
I havent seen any political party say they will do anything about the out of control crimes burglary violence etc etc that is blighting many parts of the UK. Too much victim blaming and sympathy for criminals these days. not sure why the Abbott thing is such a big deal. If it based on one radio interview its a bit much. just an over rinsed story that would never have got 5 minutes if it had been a tory. as the Hammond incident shows well, 20 billion out, the Chancellor of the Exchequer to boot, and what, seen once or twice on the day in the media then gone. the media smears have done theor job, people have bought it, its only the fact that the Tory machine is in total melt down and even the press have stuck the knife in a few times, that people are noticing it now. That said, he needs to jog a few on for sure! Needs a Blairite purge! I thought he had said he will close the loopholes no? could be wrong, but id be sure that he will. along with doing something about the tax havens to some degree. and the corporate giveaways. Im sure he will be chasing all the unpaid corporation tax the Tories have no interest in too. That could amount to some hell of a lot of money, and i think a fair few big companies will pay up before he gets on their case. It would be better for them, if he is going to make a point of it. Easy left when you know the government dont care if you pay or not. Ive seen stuff saying the crime rate has increased, (no surprise, less cops less capabilities. not hard) but not seen anything about places like you describe. there are no war zones here. im not sure what you mean by sympathy for criminals. is it sympathy though? or is it more about finding the causes and dealing with them before things escalate? i mean you could say not putting a heroin addict in jail for stealing is sympathy, but if they are going into a programme to get clean, then they are less likely to steal than they were if you jailed them. Its more a pragmatic approach to a solution than sympathy. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 17:47:08 GMT 1,
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 17:50:46 GMT 1, I'm voting for this lot.
www.omrlp.com/
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Bill Hicks on May 29, 2017 19:33:59 GMT 1,
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 29, 2017 19:41:50 GMT 1, Not really may v Corbyn is it though. May will get free pass after free pass when she screws up, and Corbyn will be constantly asked muck raking questions created from non truths. It will show Corbyns usual calmness under pressure and ability to discuss issues. Then theres May who i really hope to see go very red and maybe even go pop at some point. although i always hope for that bit, and it didnt happen yet!
Were going to have to rely on the audience to make this anything good.
Not really may v Corbyn is it though. May will get free pass after free pass when she screws up, and Corbyn will be constantly asked muck raking questions created from non truths. It will show Corbyns usual calmness under pressure and ability to discuss issues. Then theres May who i really hope to see go very red and maybe even go pop at some point. although i always hope for that bit, and it didnt happen yet! Were going to have to rely on the audience to make this anything good. |
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Happy Shopper on May 29, 2017 20:30:48 GMT 1, Same programme is on Channel 4... Don't support sky! 
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 20:33:49 GMT 1, I agree Tartarus it should have been head to head. It would hav been like watching a title fight.
The saving grace is Faisal Islam who certainly knows his stuff and how to get answers out of politicians.
I agree Tartarus it should have been head to head. It would hav been like watching a title fight.
The saving grace is Faisal Islam who certainly knows his stuff and how to get answers out of politicians.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 29, 2017 20:57:21 GMT 1, i like the way they go to a big point of saying the audience is there for balance, stating a third labour a third tory and a third undecided. and then managed to select questions only from people that looked like they would be happy to nail him to the floor with rusty nails!! That irish fella had some serious rage issues by the look of it!
i like the way they go to a big point of saying the audience is there for balance, stating a third labour a third tory and a third undecided. and then managed to select questions only from people that looked like they would be happy to nail him to the floor with rusty nails!! That irish fella had some serious rage issues by the look of it!
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by Deleted on May 29, 2017 22:55:17 GMT 1, It was all a bit strange.
Paxman looked like he was there for creating drama.
May was let off way too lightly when she brushed off the Tory leaflet lie about £350 million being given to the NHS if the UK leaves the EU.
The woman who asked the question said that was the reason she voted for Brexit.
May just brushed it off instead of being ttaken to task over it.
So basically a fraudulent Brexit campaign that got people to vote leave and PM May who was a remainer says the vote wa sleave now lets get on with the negotiations. Plus she has that fat liar Jonson in her cabinet.
Plus she is prepared to walk out of the EU with no deal. What a mess that will be.
All of the citizens from EU countries who moved to the UK years ago, and those who gave up everything and started a new life. Cannot be kicked out in reality without a lot of court cases and ECHR interferenc eon their behalf which would mean the EU en bloc imposing some sort of sanctions on the UK.
It will be a revolving door anyway regarding migrants and for every EU citizen that leaves the UK will be replaced by a migrant from who knows where.
It was all a bit strange.
Paxman looked like he was there for creating drama.
May was let off way too lightly when she brushed off the Tory leaflet lie about £350 million being given to the NHS if the UK leaves the EU.
The woman who asked the question said that was the reason she voted for Brexit.
May just brushed it off instead of being ttaken to task over it.
So basically a fraudulent Brexit campaign that got people to vote leave and PM May who was a remainer says the vote wa sleave now lets get on with the negotiations. Plus she has that fat liar Jonson in her cabinet.
Plus she is prepared to walk out of the EU with no deal. What a mess that will be.
All of the citizens from EU countries who moved to the UK years ago, and those who gave up everything and started a new life. Cannot be kicked out in reality without a lot of court cases and ECHR interferenc eon their behalf which would mean the EU en bloc imposing some sort of sanctions on the UK.
It will be a revolving door anyway regarding migrants and for every EU citizen that leaves the UK will be replaced by a migrant from who knows where.
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Theresa May seeks General Election, by tartarus on May 30, 2017 20:44:14 GMT 1, im not going to "like" it, i fucking well refuse to like it!!!
But yes, yes ffs exactly!!!!
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im not going to "like" it, i fucking well refuse to like it!!! But yes, yes ffs exactly!!!!
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