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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by sanssouci on Jan 29, 2019 23:21:48 GMT 1, Thank you all! Now I know. It was the second strange situation for me with artsy. A few months ago I was also outbid and the next day they offered me to buy the art work (a painting by Andy Denzler) at my maximum bid, as the winning bidder would like to cancel. I refused this offer as it was a bit strange to me. I guess I am not very successful in this game Never take the art when they offer it the next day as most of the time its the house bidding against you. If they come back the next day make them an offer below your high bid. Most of the time they will take it
I forgot to mention that I „successfully“ bought a signed Banksy HMV print in January at a gallery in the UK, which was destroyed on the way from the seller to the gallery. The full amount was returned, but it seems that I should better collect watches or cars
Thank you all! Now I know. It was the second strange situation for me with artsy. A few months ago I was also outbid and the next day they offered me to buy the art work (a painting by Andy Denzler) at my maximum bid, as the winning bidder would like to cancel. I refused this offer as it was a bit strange to me. I guess I am not very successful in this game Never take the art when they offer it the next day as most of the time its the house bidding against you. If they come back the next day make them an offer below your high bid. Most of the time they will take it This was exactly my guess. Thank you for the confirmation. I forgot to mention that I „successfully“ bought a signed Banksy HMV print in January at a gallery in the UK, which was destroyed on the way from the seller to the gallery. The full amount was returned, but it seems that I should better collect watches or cars |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 23:29:06 GMT 1, Never take the art when they offer it the next day as most of the time its the house bidding against you. If they come back the next day make them an offer below your high bid. Most of the time they will take it This was exactly my guess. Thank you for the confirmation. I forgot to mention that I „successfully“ bought a signed Banksy HMV print in January at a gallery in the UK, which was destroyed on the way from the seller to the gallery. The full amount was returned, but it seems that I should better collect watches or cars
Never take the art when they offer it the next day as most of the time its the house bidding against you. If they come back the next day make them an offer below your high bid. Most of the time they will take it This was exactly my guess. Thank you for the confirmation. I forgot to mention that I „successfully“ bought a signed Banksy HMV print in January at a gallery in the UK, which was destroyed on the way from the seller to the gallery. The full amount was returned, but it seems that I should better collect watches or cars If you ever see an unsold lot at auction and you fancy it make an offer well below the reserve. I have purchased art this way before. It won't work all the time. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by astbury on Jan 29, 2019 23:34:53 GMT 1, This was exactly my guess. Thank you for the confirmation. I forgot to mention that I „successfully“ bought a signed Banksy HMV print in January at a gallery in the UK, which was destroyed on the way from the seller to the gallery. The full amount was returned, but it seems that I should better collect watches or cars If you ever see an unsold lot at auction and you fancy it make an offer well below the reserve. I have purchased art this way before. It won't work all the time.
Just what I was about to do 😉 if this Jonathan Yeo study from today's forum auction is owned here, please pm me.
This was exactly my guess. Thank you for the confirmation. I forgot to mention that I „successfully“ bought a signed Banksy HMV print in January at a gallery in the UK, which was destroyed on the way from the seller to the gallery. The full amount was returned, but it seems that I should better collect watches or cars If you ever see an unsold lot at auction and you fancy it make an offer well below the reserve. I have purchased art this way before. It won't work all the time. Just what I was about to do 😉 if this Jonathan Yeo study from today's forum auction is owned here, please pm me. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 23:44:17 GMT 1, If you ever see an unsold lot at auction and you fancy it make an offer well below the reserve. I have purchased art this way before. It won't work all the time. Just what I was about to do 😉 if this Jonathan Yeo study from today's forum auction is owned here, please pm me. 
If not you could be in luck. People don't like to ship their art to a house, then wait 2/3 months for the sale and find it goes unsold. Rather than get it shipped back most of the time they will take an offer
If you ever see an unsold lot at auction and you fancy it make an offer well below the reserve. I have purchased art this way before. It won't work all the time. Just what I was about to do 😉 if this Jonathan Yeo study from today's forum auction is owned here, please pm me. Well if it is owned here you know what the answer will be before you ask......... A BIG no If not you could be in luck. People don't like to ship their art to a house, then wait 2/3 months for the sale and find it goes unsold. Rather than get it shipped back most of the time they will take an offer |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by pr.yu on Jan 30, 2019 0:33:22 GMT 1, Happy Choppers. More than 37K GBP all in. Whoa! And it's January.
Happy Choppers. More than 37K GBP all in. Whoa! And it's January.
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 11:54:01 GMT 1, Stick walk ap hammered at £5500 plus all fees. Seems cheap
Stick walk ap hammered at £5500 plus all fees. Seems cheap
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by avec art on Jan 30, 2019 11:59:12 GMT 1, ... compared to forum prices 
... compared to forum prices |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Unica on Jan 30, 2019 12:07:06 GMT 1, So if the the GWB hammered at £40k, was the eventual selling price £53400.00? Thats a good result.
So if the the GWB hammered at £40k, was the eventual selling price £53400.00? Thats a good result.
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 12:09:12 GMT 1, So if the the Girl With Balloon hammered at £40k, was the eventual selling price £53400.00? Thats a good result.
So if the the Girl With Balloon hammered at £40k, was the eventual selling price £53400.00? Thats a good result. Sounds about right to me. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by corbu on Jan 30, 2019 12:37:53 GMT 1, Stick walk ap hammered at £5500 plus all fees. Seems cheap
Stick walk ap hammered at £5500 plus all fees. Seems cheap It wasn't signed - might explain the price. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Winter on Jan 30, 2019 12:43:54 GMT 1, The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there?
The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there?
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Happy Shopper on Jan 30, 2019 13:03:35 GMT 1, The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there?
Tons available at the London Art Fair a few months ago.
The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there? Tons available at the London Art Fair a few months ago. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Sundowner on Jan 30, 2019 13:11:14 GMT 1, So if the the Girl With Balloon hammered at £40k, was the eventual selling price £53400.00? Thats a good result. Sounds about right to me.
So if the the Girl With Balloon hammered at £40k, was the eventual selling price £53400.00? Thats a good result. Sounds about right to me. Condition wasn't great - had a distinct yellowing around the edge where a mount had obviously been. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 13:13:49 GMT 1, Sounds about right to me. Condition wasn't great - had a distinct yellowing around the edge where a mount had obviously been.
It still had some tape on the back too.
Jonny
Sounds about right to me. Condition wasn't great - had a distinct yellowing around the edge where a mount had obviously been. Sorry I meant to say the figure including the commission etc was right.. not the price of the print! It still had some tape on the back too. Jonny |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by rebate on Jan 30, 2019 13:16:13 GMT 1, Stick walk ap hammered at £5500 plus all fees. Seems cheap
Stick walk ap hammered at £5500 plus all fees. Seems cheap Wish id had the money, id have been on it! it was brown though, so not a highly sought after colour. The Big issue posters hit 3.2k which is a good result, but sucks as i still cant find that goddamned orange one! |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by sfnyc on Jan 30, 2019 13:38:23 GMT 1, Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning?
I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish....
Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning? I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Matt on Jan 30, 2019 13:50:52 GMT 1, Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning? I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish....
Fully agree.
Also had issues with Artsy
- Item estimate was at 7-12k
- put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction.
- there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine)
- was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !!
- when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve...
I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned.
EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS.
I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate.
Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning? I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 14:02:11 GMT 1, The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there?
Prolific. What a great cash cow for them
The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there? Prolific. What a great cash cow for them |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Pattycakes on Jan 30, 2019 14:11:59 GMT 1, I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with them. - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned.
I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with them. - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. If you place an absentee bid in any auction and there is no other bid placed then you will win it at the reserve, that's a good thing surely? |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by avec art on Jan 30, 2019 14:19:35 GMT 1, no. Because it seems as though, because the house knew they could receive a minimum of 10,500 for the item, they retrospectively chose to use that as a starting price in order to get higher bids and encourage people to place bids on top of that.
As the estimate was 7-12k then I think you'd normally expect the starting price to be at 7k or lower.
no. Because it seems as though, because the house knew they could receive a minimum of 10,500 for the item, they retrospectively chose to use that as a starting price in order to get higher bids and encourage people to place bids on top of that.
As the estimate was 7-12k then I think you'd normally expect the starting price to be at 7k or lower.
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Winter on Jan 30, 2019 14:47:48 GMT 1, The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there? Prolific. What a great cash cow for them
Maybe the plan is to make as much as they can as quickly as they can in case the interest in their work fades. They should start to develop some more styles as their work is looking repetitive.
The two Connor Brothers pieces went unsold. Is it me or does there seem to be an endless and increasing amount of their work out there? Prolific. What a great cash cow for them [br Maybe the plan is to make as much as they can as quickly as they can in case the interest in their work fades. They should start to develop some more styles as their work is looking repetitive. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by skAcid on Jan 30, 2019 15:02:12 GMT 1, Con merchants!
"All that glitters isn't gold" 😉
Con merchants!
"All that glitters isn't gold" 😉
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Happy Shopper on Jan 30, 2019 15:09:52 GMT 1, Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning?
From what I've seen Artsy just phone bid on your behalf... but if the auctioneer sees a bid from the floor before the phone person gets their bid in, then the floor wins it.
Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning? From what I've seen Artsy just phone bid on your behalf... but if the auctioneer sees a bid from the floor before the phone person gets their bid in, then the floor wins it. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by rebate on Jan 30, 2019 15:15:37 GMT 1, I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate.
I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. They always say on bargain hunt, that you cant set a reserve over the low estimate. Seems really sketchy that they have pulled this stunt. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Graham H on Jan 30, 2019 15:20:51 GMT 1, In this day and age of mobile / online bidding, Ive never understood why people put in pre bids before auctions.. no matter what value.. as its inevitable the auction house will always go to this amount..
If its the lowest bid they have, they will start at that, and if its the highest above reserve its inevitable they will find a way to bid it up to the amount you have bid..even if no one else is bidding
Maybe its just me and my cynical thoughts, but id say this way will always end up costing the bidder and the auction house manipulating it to their gain
May be wrong of course, and just an opinion
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I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate.
In this day and age of mobile / online bidding, Ive never understood why people put in pre bids before auctions.. no matter what value.. as its inevitable the auction house will always go to this amount.. If its the lowest bid they have, they will start at that, and if its the highest above reserve its inevitable they will find a way to bid it up to the amount you have bid..even if no one else is bidding Maybe its just me and my cynical thoughts, but id say this way will always end up costing the bidder and the auction house manipulating it to their gain May be wrong of course, and just an opinion G I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Matt on Jan 30, 2019 15:35:12 GMT 1, In this day and age of mobile / online bidding, Ive never understood why people put in pre bids before auctions.. no matter what value.. as its inevitable the auction house will always go to this amount.. If its the lowest bid they have, they will start at that, and if its the highest above reserve its inevitable they will find a way to bid it up to the amount you have bid..even if no one else is bidding Maybe its just me and my cynical thoughts, but id say this way will always end up costing the bidder and the auction house manipulating it to their gain May be wrong of course, and just an opinion G Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate.
Although you are right, it’s also true that online / mobile brings unlimited options and communication, and businesses who screw their clients in this context won’t live long...
And we’ve all done dumb stuff to secure a piece, admit it, you’ve been there 🤪
In this day and age of mobile / online bidding, Ive never understood why people put in pre bids before auctions.. no matter what value.. as its inevitable the auction house will always go to this amount.. If its the lowest bid they have, they will start at that, and if its the highest above reserve its inevitable they will find a way to bid it up to the amount you have bid..even if no one else is bidding Maybe its just me and my cynical thoughts, but id say this way will always end up costing the bidder and the auction house manipulating it to their gain May be wrong of course, and just an opinion G Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. Although you are right, it’s also true that online / mobile brings unlimited options and communication, and businesses who screw their clients in this context won’t live long... And we’ve all done dumb stuff to secure a piece, admit it, you’ve been there 🤪 |
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Pattycakes
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Pattycakes on Jan 30, 2019 15:36:29 GMT 1, Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. They always say on bargain hunt, that you cant set a reserve over the low estimate. Seems really sketchy that they have pulled this stunt.
Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. They always say on bargain hunt, that you cant set a reserve over the low estimate. Seems really sketchy that they have pulled this stunt. That's the point they didn't, Artsy is just one of many bidders participating in the sale, there may not have been other bidders on artsy but clearly there were bids either in the auctioneers book, or from other online platforms. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Pattycakes on Jan 30, 2019 15:39:57 GMT 1, I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate.
I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... Fully agree. Also had issues with Artsy - Item estimate was at 7-12k - put in a max absentee bid of 10500 well ahead of the auction. - there was no other online bidding ahead of the auction (price stayed at 7000 with one bid which was mine) - was able to catch the auction online, and saw that they opened with my max bid !! - when I asked why they had done this I was informed they had forgotten to tell me this was the reserve... I was happy to pay 10500 so proceeded with the purchase, but they are clearly closer to fraud than lack of professionalism as far as I am concerned. EDIT : to be crystal clear this was a comment on ARTSY NOT FORUM AUCTIONS. I bid through Artsy on an auction in the US and was not informed of a reserve that was not mentioned when I put in my max bid was in, and interestingly happened to be my exactly max bid, which they opened with déspite a much lower estimate. Artsy is great but when you're bidding with an auction house that has it's own online bidding like Sotheby's Phillips, Forum etc then why not just use their in house bidding platform, I'm not sure with Artsy but I know with Liveauctioneers they charge you an extra 3% to use them so I never do I always bid direct with the house. |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Graham H on Jan 30, 2019 15:42:57 GMT 1, I'd say that all auction houses do it.. not just the online ones. Iits such an easy way that could never be disproved.. especially the phantom bidder on the Floor..
As said, ive no proof of that.. just cant believe it doesnt happen ( and have seen it a couple of times with people i know who have left bids )
As for doing dumb stuff... dont get me started!!
In this day and age of mobile / online bidding, Ive never understood why people put in pre bids before auctions.. no matter what value.. as its inevitable the auction house will always go to this amount.. If its the lowest bid they have, they will start at that, and if its the highest above reserve its inevitable they will find a way to bid it up to the amount you have bid..even if no one else is bidding Maybe its just me and my cynical thoughts, but id say this way will always end up costing the bidder and the auction house manipulating it to their gain May be wrong of course, and just an opinion G Although you are right, it’s also true that online / mobile brings unlimited options and communication, and businesses who screw their clients in this context won’t live long... And we’ve all done dumb stuff to secure a piece, admit it, you’ve been there 🤪
I'd say that all auction houses do it.. not just the online ones. Iits such an easy way that could never be disproved.. especially the phantom bidder on the Floor.. As said, ive no proof of that.. just cant believe it doesnt happen ( and have seen it a couple of times with people i know who have left bids ) As for doing dumb stuff... dont get me started!! In this day and age of mobile / online bidding, Ive never understood why people put in pre bids before auctions.. no matter what value.. as its inevitable the auction house will always go to this amount.. If its the lowest bid they have, they will start at that, and if its the highest above reserve its inevitable they will find a way to bid it up to the amount you have bid..even if no one else is bidding Maybe its just me and my cynical thoughts, but id say this way will always end up costing the bidder and the auction house manipulating it to their gain May be wrong of course, and just an opinion G Although you are right, it’s also true that online / mobile brings unlimited options and communication, and businesses who screw their clients in this context won’t live long... And we’ve all done dumb stuff to secure a piece, admit it, you’ve been there 🤪 |
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Forum Auctions • Banksy Marketplace 🇬🇧, by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 17:27:27 GMT 1, Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning? I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish....
Can anyone help? I was involved via my artsy account and stated a maximum bid of 35K for the barcode print a few days ago. They informed me that I was outbid by the floor, but at the same time the hammer price is the same as my maximum bid. how can the hammer price be the same as my maximum bid without winning? I m done bidding online / artsy as well. These auctioneers place their auction on various sites without reconcilating the auction live. The result: they have different results across diff sites and sometimes a winning bid on a site is not the winning bid at the end. It is ridiculous and total bs, thus i m not bidding via artsy or any same auction across multiple platforms, as they are handled very badly / scammish.... I've had problems like this too. I tend to avoid bidding platforms if I can help it. You are better off bidding direct with the specific auction house concerned if you can. It's a pain registering with loads of different auctioneers but you get a better service. |
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