mabage
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Need of COA, by mabage on Jul 6, 2017 7:14:11 GMT 1, Hello,
I bought some prints over the last few years - some through galleries / shops, other through the artist.
Some galleries / shops enclosing COA like 1xRun, artists like Shepard Fairey not.
How can I prove without a COA that the print is from the artist / no fake? Is the invoice a prove or should I ask the artist, gallery, shop for a COA?
Or is the need of a COA depending of the value of the art?
COA = Certification of Authenticity
Thanks.
Hello,
I bought some prints over the last few years - some through galleries / shops, other through the artist.
Some galleries / shops enclosing COA like 1xRun, artists like Shepard Fairey not.
How can I prove without a COA that the print is from the artist / no fake? Is the invoice a prove or should I ask the artist, gallery, shop for a COA?
Or is the need of a COA depending of the value of the art?
COA = Certification of Authenticity
Thanks.
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mercboy
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Need of COA, by mercboy on Jul 6, 2017 7:41:59 GMT 1, OK, For Shepard Fairey- Yes it depends on the value, but typically speaking they do not come with a COA. Exceptions being Large Formats, HPMs, and other fine art pieces bought from galleries may have a letter of provenance or COA from the gallery ( of course there are always exceptions- like set boxes.) Because Shepard typically signs in pencil, his signatures are easier to authenticate under close examination, you can see things like: Pressure, the speed of the stroke, any mistakes or erasures, and since he dates them it is easy to compare to other signatures from the same time period since everyones signature changes over time. PSA/DNA Claims to be able to authenticate Autographs, and there are enough examples of Shep's autographs out there that I would think they would be able to do him pretty easily. However, I have had disappointing results from some other artists I have brought to them, and have yet to bring them a Shep. Proof of purchase from the source is typically good enough I would think.
OK, For Shepard Fairey- Yes it depends on the value, but typically speaking they do not come with a COA. Exceptions being Large Formats, HPMs, and other fine art pieces bought from galleries may have a letter of provenance or COA from the gallery ( of course there are always exceptions- like set boxes.) Because Shepard typically signs in pencil, his signatures are easier to authenticate under close examination, you can see things like: Pressure, the speed of the stroke, any mistakes or erasures, and since he dates them it is easy to compare to other signatures from the same time period since everyones signature changes over time. PSA/DNA Claims to be able to authenticate Autographs, and there are enough examples of Shep's autographs out there that I would think they would be able to do him pretty easily. However, I have had disappointing results from some other artists I have brought to them, and have yet to bring them a Shep. Proof of purchase from the source is typically good enough I would think.
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rockbeer
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Need of COA, by rockbeer on Jul 6, 2017 7:47:35 GMT 1, I'm sure you'll get loads of opinions on this, but here's mine, for what it's worth...
Art is all about provenance - beng able to demonstrate in one way or another how you came by a piece, forming a chain of traceability back to its origins. A COA is just one - admittedly simple - way of showing the provenance of a piece, but it's not the only one. People have become obsessed recently with COAs, to the point where you have to begn to ask whether the value resides in the art itself or in the COA - and if art can be faked, so can COAs. So in the end, a COA is only as useful or valid as a person's willingness to believe in its authenticity - which is exactly the same situation as with the art itself.
In the end what matters isn't having a COA, but being able demonstrate the piece's provenance to a buyer's satisfaction, and the buyer's confidence in being able to do the same for any subsequent buyer. COAs can help make this easier, but loads of art changes hands without them.
Obviously, the higher the value of the art, the better the provenance that is expected or required.
I'm sure you'll get loads of opinions on this, but here's mine, for what it's worth...
Art is all about provenance - beng able to demonstrate in one way or another how you came by a piece, forming a chain of traceability back to its origins. A COA is just one - admittedly simple - way of showing the provenance of a piece, but it's not the only one. People have become obsessed recently with COAs, to the point where you have to begn to ask whether the value resides in the art itself or in the COA - and if art can be faked, so can COAs. So in the end, a COA is only as useful or valid as a person's willingness to believe in its authenticity - which is exactly the same situation as with the art itself.
In the end what matters isn't having a COA, but being able demonstrate the piece's provenance to a buyer's satisfaction, and the buyer's confidence in being able to do the same for any subsequent buyer. COAs can help make this easier, but loads of art changes hands without them.
Obviously, the higher the value of the art, the better the provenance that is expected or required.
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mabage
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Need of COA, by mabage on Jul 10, 2017 17:33:53 GMT 1, Thanks for the answers. I bought 2015 from Obey "COVERT TO OVERT - Series".
All three prints were signed with AP.
One print has a erased number overwritten with AP.
Without COA how can I confirm that I didn`t changed the number?
Thanks for the answers. I bought 2015 from Obey "COVERT TO OVERT - Series".
All three prints were signed with AP.
One print has a erased number overwritten with AP.
Without COA how can I confirm that I didn`t changed the number?
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Need of COA, by Happy Shopper on Jul 10, 2017 17:42:09 GMT 1, I've no idea why anyone would change it from a number to AP... but did your receipt say it was an AP you were buying?
For Fairey your invoice/receipt should be enough. They aren't generally faked and don't have COAs.
I've no idea why anyone would change it from a number to AP... but did your receipt say it was an AP you were buying?
For Fairey your invoice/receipt should be enough. They aren't generally faked and don't have COAs.
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