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Is FAILE over?, by davievegas on Aug 11, 2017 19:35:13 GMT 1, Loyal until they can't even break even when re-selling. That seems to be the case as of late. NO ONE sane will spend $500 on something from an artist which they cannot at least get their money back. No one's making money collecting faile anymore. Past sales with auctions and ebay prove that. way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit.
If you buy art specifically because of hype for artists (Not saying you do Cal) whether they are old or new, you will get burned unless its investment artists like Banksy, Invader etc. Your dreaming if you think people spend $350 - $500 on just collecting work with no investment interest on a regular basis. This board hides plenty phony ulterior motives. People try and act like they just collect what they like but the price you spend on the work tells a different story. $100-$200 on occasion I can see but not at the prices of $350 - $500 for large and sometimes open editions.
You see the auction results within the last 2 years? You see the releases just sitting instead of being sold out right away? No image originality anymore. High editions. Nothing lucrative about Faile's work as the years go on. Has nothing to do with flippers. Has everything to do with the fact that Faile has officially stop caring about the image choices and started caring more about cash grabs. Like most artists that have had a long profitable career, they seem to be relying on old style and crappy image choices rather then progressing and moving fwd.
Taking advantage of people never ends well. YOU NEVER see a release with an edition of 25 or 50( even 100 is rare) from them. Always 300 or open editions. Its a joke for the prices they charge (with exceptions to the 150 series). So you keep on collecting since you love the fact that they are just riding the coat tails of there previous hype/fame and you will end up losing money and stuck with high priced paper on your walls.
PS. It is not just them. Its most successful artists that take advantage of mediocre work because they sell out all the time. Whether its flippers or investment collectors, these artists quality of image choices will keep declining because of flippers/investment collectors. False success with buyers who buy to make money from them. Its sad really. False perception that people are buying specifically because they like the work. But artists do not care. They care only about the money. When that stops coming in, maybe it will change.
Btw, This response is because I disagree with your over generalization comment because I have been paying very close attention over the last 4 years with many artists on this board (includes auction sales and private) and the direction Faile has been going is just for profit and not about the future.
Loyal until they can't even break even when re-selling. That seems to be the case as of late. NO ONE sane will spend $500 on something from an artist which they cannot at least get their money back. No one's making money collecting faile anymore. Past sales with auctions and ebay prove that. way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit. Over generalization? Faile has been around so long that they will never blow up bigger then they are. Its downhill from here. They release too much art and do not have the secondary market hype anymore because of the cash grab releases. People are not dumb. They can see the artists selling trends. The I only buy what I like answer is old now when it involves higher prices. Some can afford it but its an easy pass for most if they do not love the image or meaning that the image stands for to them. If you buy art specifically because of hype for artists ( Not saying you do Cal) whether they are old or new, you will get burned unless its investment artists like Banksy, Invader etc. Your dreaming if you think people spend $350 - $500 on just collecting work with no investment interest on a regular basis. This board hides plenty phony ulterior motives. People try and act like they just collect what they like but the price you spend on the work tells a different story. $100-$200 on occasion I can see but not at the prices of $350 - $500 for large and sometimes open editions. You see the auction results within the last 2 years? You see the releases just sitting instead of being sold out right away? No image originality anymore. High editions. Nothing lucrative about Faile's work as the years go on. Has nothing to do with flippers. Has everything to do with the fact that Faile has officially stop caring about the image choices and started caring more about cash grabs. Like most artists that have had a long profitable career, they seem to be relying on old style and crappy image choices rather then progressing and moving fwd. Taking advantage of people never ends well. YOU NEVER see a release with an edition of 25 or 50( even 100 is rare) from them. Always 300 or open editions. Its a joke for the prices they charge (with exceptions to the 150 series). So you keep on collecting since you love the fact that they are just riding the coat tails of there previous hype/fame and you will end up losing money and stuck with high priced paper on your walls. PS. It is not just them. Its most successful artists that take advantage of mediocre work because they sell out all the time. Whether its flippers or investment collectors, these artists quality of image choices will keep declining because of flippers/investment collectors. False success with buyers who buy to make money from them. Its sad really. False perception that people are buying specifically because they like the work. But artists do not care. They care only about the money. When that stops coming in, maybe it will change. Btw, This response is because I disagree with your over generalization comment because I have been paying very close attention over the last 4 years with many artists on this board (includes auction sales and private) and the direction Faile has been going is just for profit and not about the future. |
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Is FAILE over?, by Jaylove on Aug 11, 2017 20:38:46 GMT 1, way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit. Over generalization? Faile has been around so long that they will never blow up bigger then they are. Its downhill from here. They release too much art and do not have the secondary market hype anymore because of the cash grab releases. People are not dumb. They can see the artists selling trends. The I only buy what I like answer is old now when it involves higher prices. Some can afford it but its an easy pass for most if they do not love the image or meaning that the image stands for to them. If you buy art specifically because of hype for artists ( Not saying you do Cal) whether they are old or new, you will get burned unless its investment artists like Banksy, Invader etc. Your dreaming if you think people spend $350 - $500 on just collecting work with no investment interest on a regular basis. This board hides plenty phony ulterior motives. People try and act like they just collect what they like but the price you spend on the work tells a different story. $100-$200 on occasion I can see but not at the prices of $350 - $500 for large and sometimes open editions. You obviously do not pay attention to the collectors or investors of faile's work other then yourself or those on this board. You see the auction results within the last 2 years? You see the releases just sitting instead of being sold out right away? No image originality anymore. High editions. Nothing lucrative about Faile's work as the years go on. Has nothing to do with flippers. Has everything to do with the fact that Faile has officially stop caring about the image choices and started caring more about cash grabs. Like most artists that have had a long profitable career, they seem to be relying on old style and crappy image choices rather then progressing and moving fwd. Taking advantage of people never ends well. YOU NEVER see a release with an edition of 25 or 50( even 100 is rare) from them. Always 300 or open editions. Its a joke for the prices they charge (with exceptions to the 150 series). So you keep on collecting since you love the fact that they are just riding the coat tails of there previous hype/fame and you will end up losing money and stuck with high priced paper on your walls. PS. It is not just them. Its most successful artists that take advantage of mediocre work because they sell out all the time. Whether its flippers or investment collectors, these artists quality of image choices will keep declining because of flippers/investment collectors. False success with buyers who buy to make money from them. Its sad really. False perception that people are buying specifically because they like the work. But artists do not care. They care only about the money. When that stops coming in, maybe it will change.
I have purchased plenty of prints for several hundreds of dollars (+crazy duty)that will likely not be worth much more than I paid in the future. Not everyone is buying for investment. The value lies where I wake up every day and find pleasure from what I see on my walls.
way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit. Over generalization? Faile has been around so long that they will never blow up bigger then they are. Its downhill from here. They release too much art and do not have the secondary market hype anymore because of the cash grab releases. People are not dumb. They can see the artists selling trends. The I only buy what I like answer is old now when it involves higher prices. Some can afford it but its an easy pass for most if they do not love the image or meaning that the image stands for to them. If you buy art specifically because of hype for artists ( Not saying you do Cal) whether they are old or new, you will get burned unless its investment artists like Banksy, Invader etc. Your dreaming if you think people spend $350 - $500 on just collecting work with no investment interest on a regular basis. This board hides plenty phony ulterior motives. People try and act like they just collect what they like but the price you spend on the work tells a different story. $100-$200 on occasion I can see but not at the prices of $350 - $500 for large and sometimes open editions. You obviously do not pay attention to the collectors or investors of faile's work other then yourself or those on this board. You see the auction results within the last 2 years? You see the releases just sitting instead of being sold out right away? No image originality anymore. High editions. Nothing lucrative about Faile's work as the years go on. Has nothing to do with flippers. Has everything to do with the fact that Faile has officially stop caring about the image choices and started caring more about cash grabs. Like most artists that have had a long profitable career, they seem to be relying on old style and crappy image choices rather then progressing and moving fwd. Taking advantage of people never ends well. YOU NEVER see a release with an edition of 25 or 50( even 100 is rare) from them. Always 300 or open editions. Its a joke for the prices they charge (with exceptions to the 150 series). So you keep on collecting since you love the fact that they are just riding the coat tails of there previous hype/fame and you will end up losing money and stuck with high priced paper on your walls. PS. It is not just them. Its most successful artists that take advantage of mediocre work because they sell out all the time. Whether its flippers or investment collectors, these artists quality of image choices will keep declining because of flippers/investment collectors. False success with buyers who buy to make money from them. Its sad really. False perception that people are buying specifically because they like the work. But artists do not care. They care only about the money. When that stops coming in, maybe it will change. I have purchased plenty of prints for several hundreds of dollars (+crazy duty)that will likely not be worth much more than I paid in the future. Not everyone is buying for investment. The value lies where I wake up every day and find pleasure from what I see on my walls. |
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Is FAILE over?, by snipt on Aug 11, 2017 23:12:54 GMT 1, When you look at Faile's extensive body of work, you know that they haven't even come close to losing their mojo. Their work expands well past creating flat prints. The works that they have created such as the prayer wheels, the Deluxx Fluxx arcade, the Les Ballets De Faile installation....They are pushing boundaries that most urban artists wouldn't even dare tackle.
For short term investors, Faile just isn't hyped enough to see the financial returns that many are looking for. They have done an excellent job managing their career, and finding that price point which is their true market value. This is what will turn off the flippers and speculators. For the most part, this covers print collectors and small book cover pieces.
In terms of long term value, the collectors holding early pieces which involved Aiko, any small editions prior to 2010, and those that have acquired large scale fine art pieces...You won't see any of those collectors worried about the valuations if there comes a time to sell.
#1. Those collectors are in a price point where they can acquire the more fleshed out pieces, and pieces that can be displayed in the round. These pieces are where they truly shine.
#2. Faile continues to be a collective that is at the top of the Urban Art food chain. Their projects are prolific, the profiles are high, and the respect from collectors and gallerists couldn't be higher.
#3. Their artwork from mass produced prints to their fine art is always of the highest quality. No matter what your price point is, you're getting a piece of art that trumps most in terms of quality. 20+ layer screen prints, excellent paper stock, extensive handfinishing. Faile takes pride in their work, and always gives the best to their collectors.
When you look at Faile's extensive body of work, you know that they haven't even come close to losing their mojo. Their work expands well past creating flat prints. The works that they have created such as the prayer wheels, the Deluxx Fluxx arcade, the Les Ballets De Faile installation....They are pushing boundaries that most urban artists wouldn't even dare tackle.
For short term investors, Faile just isn't hyped enough to see the financial returns that many are looking for. They have done an excellent job managing their career, and finding that price point which is their true market value. This is what will turn off the flippers and speculators. For the most part, this covers print collectors and small book cover pieces.
In terms of long term value, the collectors holding early pieces which involved Aiko, any small editions prior to 2010, and those that have acquired large scale fine art pieces...You won't see any of those collectors worried about the valuations if there comes a time to sell.
#1. Those collectors are in a price point where they can acquire the more fleshed out pieces, and pieces that can be displayed in the round. These pieces are where they truly shine.
#2. Faile continues to be a collective that is at the top of the Urban Art food chain. Their projects are prolific, the profiles are high, and the respect from collectors and gallerists couldn't be higher.
#3. Their artwork from mass produced prints to their fine art is always of the highest quality. No matter what your price point is, you're getting a piece of art that trumps most in terms of quality. 20+ layer screen prints, excellent paper stock, extensive handfinishing. Faile takes pride in their work, and always gives the best to their collectors.
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Is FAILE over?, by slipry on Aug 12, 2017 2:36:34 GMT 1, Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable?
No, not at all ...
Yes, very much so ...
Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable? No, not at all ... Yes, very much so ... |
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Is FAILE over?, by WOOF on Aug 12, 2017 5:09:03 GMT 1, way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit. People are not dumb. They can see the artists selling trends. The I only buy what I like answer is old now when it involves higher prices. Some can afford it but its an easy pass for most if they do not love the image or meaning that the image stands for to them.
It sounds like you’re talking specifically about prints. And well, trying to judge Faile by their prints is like judging Ali by his golf swing. Sure, they may not be the same as the heavily worked pieces of 2010, but are we really going to sneer and call foul on the guys producing well executed 20+ color prints that let those that can’t afford 7k+ originals have a bit of art that they love on their wall?
Has everything to do with the fact that Faile has officially stop caring about the image choices and started caring more about cash grabs. Like most artists that have had a long profitable career, they seem to be relying on old style and crappy image choices rather then progressing and moving fwd. If you were watching faile over the last few years, you would have seen a lot of trying out new styles and new imagery:
Paper cut out pieces and large scale paintings at Meet Me Halfway at the Magda Danysz Gallery in Paris. (2017)
Lots of new imagery at Strong Currents at Gordon Gallery (2016)
741 California Ave, the ceramic tile house they did in Venice Beach.
The prayer wheels in times square and the temple at Savage/Sacred Young Minds (2015)
Lots of weird and different stuff including their car series from Fuel, Fantasy, Freedom at Galerie Hilger NEXT in Vienna (2014)
I'd argue that in the last three years, they've done more than any other artist in the urban art world to expand on their style and try new things.
Taking advantage of people never ends well. YOU NEVER see a release with an edition of 25 or 50( even 100 is rare) from them. Always 300 or open editions. Its a joke for the prices they charge (with exceptions to the 150 series). So you keep on collecting since you love the fact that they are just riding the coat tails of there previous hype/fame and you will end up losing money and stuck with high priced paper on your walls. Perhaps they don’t want to get taken advantage of by releasing small editions? Because it seems every low edition print these days gets immediately flogged on the bay, or let’s be honest, right here. They’re releasing enough work for the people that want to buy it, you seem angry. Is that because you think it destroys value? Don't forget that sustained success builds value...
way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit. People are not dumb. They can see the artists selling trends. The I only buy what I like answer is old now when it involves higher prices. Some can afford it but its an easy pass for most if they do not love the image or meaning that the image stands for to them.
It sounds like you’re talking specifically about prints. And well, trying to judge Faile by their prints is like judging Ali by his golf swing. Sure, they may not be the same as the heavily worked pieces of 2010, but are we really going to sneer and call foul on the guys producing well executed 20+ color prints that let those that can’t afford 7k+ originals have a bit of art that they love on their wall?
Has everything to do with the fact that Faile has officially stop caring about the image choices and started caring more about cash grabs. Like most artists that have had a long profitable career, they seem to be relying on old style and crappy image choices rather then progressing and moving fwd. If you were watching faile over the last few years, you would have seen a lot of trying out new styles and new imagery:
Paper cut out pieces and large scale paintings at Meet Me Halfway at the Magda Danysz Gallery in Paris. (2017)
Lots of new imagery at Strong Currents at Gordon Gallery (2016)
741 California Ave, the ceramic tile house they did in Venice Beach.
The prayer wheels in times square and the temple at Savage/Sacred Young Minds (2015)
Lots of weird and different stuff including their car series from Fuel, Fantasy, Freedom at Galerie Hilger NEXT in Vienna (2014)
I'd argue that in the last three years, they've done more than any other artist in the urban art world to expand on their style and try new things.
Taking advantage of people never ends well. YOU NEVER see a release with an edition of 25 or 50( even 100 is rare) from them. Always 300 or open editions. Its a joke for the prices they charge (with exceptions to the 150 series). So you keep on collecting since you love the fact that they are just riding the coat tails of there previous hype/fame and you will end up losing money and stuck with high priced paper on your walls. Perhaps they don’t want to get taken advantage of by releasing small editions? Because it seems every low edition print these days gets immediately flogged on the bay, or let’s be honest, right here. They’re releasing enough work for the people that want to buy it, you seem angry. Is that because you think it destroys value? Don't forget that sustained success builds value... |
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Is FAILE over?, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Aug 12, 2017 8:10:49 GMT 1, Big fan here and I don't own any  need to buy one of the older ones I passed on years ago.
Big fan here and I don't own any need to buy one of the older ones I passed on years ago. |
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Is FAILE over?, by tinmans on Aug 14, 2017 1:14:21 GMT 1, Seeing their work in person in Detroit was excellent and the originals far out do the prints. The girl on the bike in person is a different experience then a photo of the piece. You have to ask a few questions of yourself when making a judgement and that is the intention or reason one enjoys something and if it is a profit motive then I can understand the frustration with the market now but in terms of what the art itself does to the viewer in terms of transporting someone from the mundane aesthetically Faile's originals offer that opportunity and few artists can accomplish this. I was never into Turf Wars as a print until seeing it as an original in the flesh during their latest show. Now it has my attention and specifically if I were to invest it would be an original. I hate to make this an example but during a period in the 1980's Warhol's work had no interest and cost relatively minute to what they are worth today with large originals going for $30k with no buyers sound familiar? This example could include any of the urban artists on this forum. I definitely don't want to be a pie in the sky but I plan on holding on to my Faile originals for as long as I can regardless.
Seeing their work in person in Detroit was excellent and the originals far out do the prints. The girl on the bike in person is a different experience then a photo of the piece. You have to ask a few questions of yourself when making a judgement and that is the intention or reason one enjoys something and if it is a profit motive then I can understand the frustration with the market now but in terms of what the art itself does to the viewer in terms of transporting someone from the mundane aesthetically Faile's originals offer that opportunity and few artists can accomplish this. I was never into Turf Wars as a print until seeing it as an original in the flesh during their latest show. Now it has my attention and specifically if I were to invest it would be an original. I hate to make this an example but during a period in the 1980's Warhol's work had no interest and cost relatively minute to what they are worth today with large originals going for $30k with no buyers sound familiar? This example could include any of the urban artists on this forum. I definitely don't want to be a pie in the sky but I plan on holding on to my Faile originals for as long as I can regardless.
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Is FAILE over?, by mose on Aug 14, 2017 2:29:09 GMT 1, Seeing their work in person in Detroit was excellent and the originals far out do the prints. The girl on the bike in person is a different experience then a photo of the piece. You have to ask a few questions of yourself when making a judgement and that is the intention or reason one enjoys something and if it is a profit motive then I can understand the frustration with the market now but in terms of what the art itself does to the viewer in terms of transporting someone from the mundane aesthetically Faile's originals offer that opportunity and few artists can accomplish this. I was never into Turf Wars as a print until seeing it as an original in the flesh during their latest show. Now it has my attention and specifically if I were to invest it would be an original. I hate to make this an example but during a period in the 1980's Warhol's work had no interest and cost relatively minute to what they are worth today with large originals going for $30k with no buyers sound familiar? This example could include any of the urban artists on this forum. I definitely don't want to be a pie in the sky but I plan on holding on to my Faile originals for as long as I can regardless.
People do truly forget how out-of-fashion and unsalable Warhol's work was. The Mugrabis were able to build their stash by visiting dusty back rooms and buying works no one wanted.
Ed Ruscha was really out in the mid-90's as well. Hard to believe now, right?
Seeing their work in person in Detroit was excellent and the originals far out do the prints. The girl on the bike in person is a different experience then a photo of the piece. You have to ask a few questions of yourself when making a judgement and that is the intention or reason one enjoys something and if it is a profit motive then I can understand the frustration with the market now but in terms of what the art itself does to the viewer in terms of transporting someone from the mundane aesthetically Faile's originals offer that opportunity and few artists can accomplish this. I was never into Turf Wars as a print until seeing it as an original in the flesh during their latest show. Now it has my attention and specifically if I were to invest it would be an original. I hate to make this an example but during a period in the 1980's Warhol's work had no interest and cost relatively minute to what they are worth today with large originals going for $30k with no buyers sound familiar? This example could include any of the urban artists on this forum. I definitely don't want to be a pie in the sky but I plan on holding on to my Faile originals for as long as I can regardless. People do truly forget how out-of-fashion and unsalable Warhol's work was. The Mugrabis were able to build their stash by visiting dusty back rooms and buying works no one wanted. Ed Ruscha was really out in the mid-90's as well. Hard to believe now, right? |
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Is FAILE over?, by dreadnatty on Aug 14, 2017 3:30:48 GMT 1, Seeing their work in person in Detroit was excellent and the originals far out do the prints. The girl on the bike in person is a different experience then a photo of the piece. You have to ask a few questions of yourself when making a judgement and that is the intention or reason one enjoys something and if it is a profit motive then I can understand the frustration with the market now but in terms of what the art itself does to the viewer in terms of transporting someone from the mundane aesthetically Faile's originals offer that opportunity and few artists can accomplish this. I was never into Turf Wars as a print until seeing it as an original in the flesh during their latest show. Now it has my attention and specifically if I were to invest it would be an original. I hate to make this an example but during a period in the 1980's Warhol's work had no interest and cost relatively minute to what they are worth today with large originals going for $30k with no buyers sound familiar? This example could include any of the urban artists on this forum. I definitely don't want to be a pie in the sky but I plan on holding on to my Faile originals for as long as I can regardless. People do truly forget how out-of-fashion and unsalable Warhol's work was. The Mugrabis were able to build their stash by visiting dusty back rooms and buying works no one wanted. Ed Ruscha was really out in the mid-90's as well. Hard to believe now, right?
Seeing their work in person in Detroit was excellent and the originals far out do the prints. The girl on the bike in person is a different experience then a photo of the piece. You have to ask a few questions of yourself when making a judgement and that is the intention or reason one enjoys something and if it is a profit motive then I can understand the frustration with the market now but in terms of what the art itself does to the viewer in terms of transporting someone from the mundane aesthetically Faile's originals offer that opportunity and few artists can accomplish this. I was never into Turf Wars as a print until seeing it as an original in the flesh during their latest show. Now it has my attention and specifically if I were to invest it would be an original. I hate to make this an example but during a period in the 1980's Warhol's work had no interest and cost relatively minute to what they are worth today with large originals going for $30k with no buyers sound familiar? This example could include any of the urban artists on this forum. I definitely don't want to be a pie in the sky but I plan on holding on to my Faile originals for as long as I can regardless. People do truly forget how out-of-fashion and unsalable Warhol's work was. The Mugrabis were able to build their stash by visiting dusty back rooms and buying works no one wanted. Ed Ruscha was really out in the mid-90's as well. Hard to believe now, right? This was a good documentary - gives a a sense of how out-of-fashion Warhol was. He had a show at Leo Castelli and they had it in the basement. |
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Is FAILE over?, by Laugh Now 10 on Aug 15, 2017 3:16:17 GMT 1, People do truly forget how out-of-fashion and unsalable Warhol's work was. The Mugrabis were able to build their stash by visiting dusty back rooms and buying works no one wanted. Ed Ruscha was really out in the mid-90's as well. Hard to believe now, right? This was a good documentary - gives a a sense of how out-of-fashion Warhol was. He had a show at Leo Castelli and they had it in the basement.
an excellent 40 min documentary on one of the few signed Warhol Brillo boxes ed. 17 - loved it
People do truly forget how out-of-fashion and unsalable Warhol's work was. The Mugrabis were able to build their stash by visiting dusty back rooms and buying works no one wanted. Ed Ruscha was really out in the mid-90's as well. Hard to believe now, right? This was a good documentary - gives a a sense of how out-of-fashion Warhol was. He had a show at Leo Castelli and they had it in the basement. an excellent 40 min documentary on one of the few signed Warhol Brillo boxes ed. 17 - loved it |
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Is FAILE over?, by sugar72 on Aug 27, 2017 14:52:38 GMT 1, Loyal until they can't even break even when re-selling. That seems to be the case as of late. NO ONE sane will spend $500 on something from an artist which they cannot at least get their money back. No one's making money collecting faile anymore. Past sales with auctions and ebay prove that. way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit.
Very well said. People collect Faile not because they see what they can get back for it but for truly liking the pieces.
I wish though they would do their pieces like they used to. Apart from the 150 series I buy pre 2011
Loyal until they can't even break even when re-selling. That seems to be the case as of late. NO ONE sane will spend $500 on something from an artist which they cannot at least get their money back. No one's making money collecting faile anymore. Past sales with auctions and ebay prove that. way to go with the over generalization, my comment exactly said that, people who still collect Faile do it for the love of their art and not "getting their money back", flippers are starting to fade out but their art still sells. Hype collectors might be concerned with their market but I'm not one bit. Very well said. People collect Faile not because they see what they can get back for it but for truly liking the pieces. I wish though they would do their pieces like they used to. Apart from the 150 series I buy pre 2011 |
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Is FAILE over?, by sugar72 on Aug 27, 2017 14:58:08 GMT 1,
Yeh truly aweful stuff isn't it. I know exactly what Davievegas means.
Yeh truly aweful stuff isn't it. I know exactly what Davievegas means. |
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Is FAILE over?, by cutiehoney on Aug 27, 2017 20:44:12 GMT 1, Funny... people complain when an artist does not release "reasonably" priced prints for the "true" collectors. Faile look after their fans/collectors at every price point....hence the 150 series and recent Detroit offset prints. You can buy their work from $100 to $100,000.
They are constantly working.... trying out new images, new processes, and new techniques...while always keeping the essence of Faile about themselves. They show in private galleries, city projects, group shows and museum exhibitions ...several times a year.
I love Faile... I don't like every image... but I love the feel of their work...and how they are able to successfully work across so many mediums.... print, paintings on canvas and wood, sculpture, the boxes, the prayer wheels, quilts, puzzle boxes...etc
Just writing this makes me realise they are actually one of the most exhibited urban artists....year in and year out, since 2004....new works, not just rehashing popular images. This year alone, they had the spectacular Paris show at Magda Danysz ....paintings, the new torn paper collages, the pieces on wood....I would have loved to have them all or just one!! .....the Venice beach tiles project, the recent Detroit exhibition....
Brooklyn Museum and Times Square, Dallas Museum, NY city Ballet, ... the Temple in Lisbon, the multiple great Lazerides shows (starting back in 2007), especially Lost in Glimmering Shadows.... the Deluxe Flux Arcade....the wall murals...the sculpture in the Mongolian desert.
As a bonus, they are really nice guys. I can't wait to see what they do next!
Disclaimer - I do own some of their work... they are the favourite pieces in my collection.
Funny... people complain when an artist does not release "reasonably" priced prints for the "true" collectors. Faile look after their fans/collectors at every price point....hence the 150 series and recent Detroit offset prints. You can buy their work from $100 to $100,000.
They are constantly working.... trying out new images, new processes, and new techniques...while always keeping the essence of Faile about themselves. They show in private galleries, city projects, group shows and museum exhibitions ...several times a year.
I love Faile... I don't like every image... but I love the feel of their work...and how they are able to successfully work across so many mediums.... print, paintings on canvas and wood, sculpture, the boxes, the prayer wheels, quilts, puzzle boxes...etc
Just writing this makes me realise they are actually one of the most exhibited urban artists....year in and year out, since 2004....new works, not just rehashing popular images. This year alone, they had the spectacular Paris show at Magda Danysz ....paintings, the new torn paper collages, the pieces on wood....I would have loved to have them all or just one!! .....the Venice beach tiles project, the recent Detroit exhibition....
Brooklyn Museum and Times Square, Dallas Museum, NY city Ballet, ... the Temple in Lisbon, the multiple great Lazerides shows (starting back in 2007), especially Lost in Glimmering Shadows.... the Deluxe Flux Arcade....the wall murals...the sculpture in the Mongolian desert.
As a bonus, they are really nice guys. I can't wait to see what they do next!
Disclaimer - I do own some of their work... they are the favourite pieces in my collection.
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Is FAILE over?, by avec art on Aug 27, 2017 20:56:27 GMT 1, You say working across many mediums, but most of what they do is rooted in stencil art and print making, and most specifically screen printing (you might say modelled on Warhol's Factory). Their canvases, the wooden shoe boxes and puzzle boxes are all print based artworks. Even when they do engage with sculpture, it's a 3 dimensional realisation of their printed work. There have been times when they've tried purely painting, and it's not gone down very well and they didn't return to it.
You say working across many mediums, but most of what they do is rooted in stencil art and print making, and most specifically screen printing (you might say modelled on Warhol's Factory). Their canvases, the wooden shoe boxes and puzzle boxes are all print based artworks. Even when they do engage with sculpture, it's a 3 dimensional realisation of their printed work. There have been times when they've tried purely painting, and it's not gone down very well and they didn't return to it.
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Is FAILE over?, by mrpotatohead on Aug 27, 2017 22:11:17 GMT 1, These guys are amazing... constantly challenging themselves in the realm of mixed media. Every format and image might not connect with every viewer, but that's ok... that's art! However, I've never gone to one of their exhibitions and not smiled... or ever gone to one and said... eh, that was just like the last one. The more you look at their work, the more you discover... and that's also true for pieces that sometimes don't invoke that immediate connection. As far as their prints... they always seem reasonably priced given the scope. Many of them are 12+ colors and extremely detailed. Again, if you don't like the image or message, that's one thing but for all those that own or have seen them... they're a labor of love and always top quality. Also very humble artists... had the pleasure of meeting at Basel Miami in the Arcade a few years ago (which was excellent)... they didn't know me, were still finishing their setup, and still took a couple moments of their time to talk. I own a few prints but wish I had some originals... think they'll certainly stand the test of time. I'm no expert and just enjoy what I enjoy... will always look forward to their exhibits!
These guys are amazing... constantly challenging themselves in the realm of mixed media. Every format and image might not connect with every viewer, but that's ok... that's art! However, I've never gone to one of their exhibitions and not smiled... or ever gone to one and said... eh, that was just like the last one. The more you look at their work, the more you discover... and that's also true for pieces that sometimes don't invoke that immediate connection. As far as their prints... they always seem reasonably priced given the scope. Many of them are 12+ colors and extremely detailed. Again, if you don't like the image or message, that's one thing but for all those that own or have seen them... they're a labor of love and always top quality. Also very humble artists... had the pleasure of meeting at Basel Miami in the Arcade a few years ago (which was excellent)... they didn't know me, were still finishing their setup, and still took a couple moments of their time to talk. I own a few prints but wish I had some originals... think they'll certainly stand the test of time. I'm no expert and just enjoy what I enjoy... will always look forward to their exhibits!
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Is FAILE over?, by Behind The Beats on Jun 28, 2020 16:35:34 GMT 1, FAILE ftw FOREVER.
FAILE ftw FOREVER.
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Is FAILE over?, by mrizzle on Jun 28, 2020 17:20:49 GMT 1, Always quite enjoy when an old thread appears. I really like a lot of FAILE pieces but I’ve never quite understood the pricing/value of their work on the secondary market. It just seems to be all over the place and I would really like to understand why this is the case.
Always quite enjoy when an old thread appears. I really like a lot of FAILE pieces but I’ve never quite understood the pricing/value of their work on the secondary market. It just seems to be all over the place and I would really like to understand why this is the case.
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Is FAILE over?, by shy on Jun 28, 2020 18:00:40 GMT 1, priced way too high
lost a lot of collectors
the jump was too fast and miscalculated!
priced way too high
lost a lot of collectors
the jump was too fast and miscalculated!
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Is FAILE over?, by shy on Jun 28, 2020 18:01:14 GMT 1, Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable?
There is a market, but it is niche, until prices drop.
There are just too many great artists in the market
Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable? done like dinner! at current prices. There is a market, but it is niche, until prices drop. There are just too many great artists in the market |
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Is FAILE over?, by lorraballs on Jun 28, 2020 18:24:10 GMT 1, Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable? done like dinner!
Cool. Anyone have any older work they want shot of, drop me a line with images and price.
Ta
Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable? done like dinner! Cool. Anyone have any older work they want shot of, drop me a line with images and price. Ta |
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Is FAILE over?, by chuckle on Jun 29, 2020 11:40:28 GMT 1, Funny how these old threads pop up. I think it is quite telling that the older prints don’t pop up for sale too often, and when they do they tend to be snapped up quickly. I still think that Faile will be judged as top table artists from this scene in years to come.
Funny how these old threads pop up. I think it is quite telling that the older prints don’t pop up for sale too often, and when they do they tend to be snapped up quickly. I still think that Faile will be judged as top table artists from this scene in years to come.
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Is FAILE over?, by Happy Shopper on Jun 29, 2020 11:53:20 GMT 1, They're fantastic... but they release a lot of stuff, and unfortunately I don't think their recent releases (over the last couple of years) have been so great. Poor choices of images for prints, etc.
Still, they're legends, and their work should be more sort after than it currently is... although they have a fan base still buying up everything they release!
They're fantastic... but they release a lot of stuff, and unfortunately I don't think their recent releases (over the last couple of years) have been so great. Poor choices of images for prints, etc.
Still, they're legends, and their work should be more sort after than it currently is... although they have a fan base still buying up everything they release!
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Is FAILE over?, by mose on Jun 29, 2020 11:53:20 GMT 1, Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable? done like dinner! at current prices. There is a market, but it is niche, until prices drop. There are just too many great artists in the market
Highlight niche. I think the perfect word. IMO, they had a narrow collector base at one point, never really spreading out beyond it. Years of massive losses on jacked-up price primary work dried up that narrow base and now they just kinda are there, with many older collectors just hoping to one day be able to get out of their works without taking too huge a haircut.
It's not a 'loss' until you sell, but I do know plenty of people sitting, patiently waiting, for an opportunity to sell which really just doesn't exist in the current marketplace.
Personally, I never liked their work the first time around, and today's work is worse IMO. That being said, nostalgia for early forum days does make me partial to a few images overall and, in particular, stuff from the 2007 'Nothing Last Forever' show.
Have they lost their mojo? Is the work still desirable? done like dinner! at current prices. There is a market, but it is niche, until prices drop. There are just too many great artists in the market Highlight niche. I think the perfect word. IMO, they had a narrow collector base at one point, never really spreading out beyond it. Years of massive losses on jacked-up price primary work dried up that narrow base and now they just kinda are there, with many older collectors just hoping to one day be able to get out of their works without taking too huge a haircut. It's not a 'loss' until you sell, but I do know plenty of people sitting, patiently waiting, for an opportunity to sell which really just doesn't exist in the current marketplace. Personally, I never liked their work the first time around, and today's work is worse IMO. That being said, nostalgia for early forum days does make me partial to a few images overall and, in particular, stuff from the 2007 'Nothing Last Forever' show. |
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Is FAILE over?, by hops on Jul 7, 2020 0:07:51 GMT 1, priced way too high lost a lot of collectors the jump was too fast and miscalculated!
priced way too high lost a lot of collectors the jump was too fast and miscalculated! I have to agree with this. The artists got greedy with their pricing, and picked the wrong galleries for representing them (Allouche). They tried to change up their style in the worst way as well, which really didn’t help at all. I’ve never really dug their work since Aiko left them, and it was just the two Patrick’s. Plus what they pulled with the Faile Tower calling the pieces counterfeits showed their true faces and what they really think of there most devoted collectors. I’ll definitely never buy anything they make ever again. 👎🏻 |
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Is FAILE over?, by Mr Murk on Jul 7, 2020 4:22:02 GMT 1, priced way too high lost a lot of collectors the jump was too fast and miscalculated! I have to agree with this. The artists got greedy with their pricing, and picked the wrong galleries for representing them (Allouche). They tried to change up their style in the worst way as well, which really didn’t help at all. I’ve never really dug their work since Aiko left them, and it was just the two Patrick’s. Plus what they pulled with the Faile Tower calling the pieces counterfeits showed their true faces and what they really think of there most devoted collectors. I’ll definitely never buy anything they make ever again. 👎🏻
Everybody on this board should know that “hops” is the guy who chopped up the Faile tower and sold it on eBay. The comment above obviously “failes” to mention this. Don’t take anything this guy says seriously.
priced way too high lost a lot of collectors the jump was too fast and miscalculated! I have to agree with this. The artists got greedy with their pricing, and picked the wrong galleries for representing them (Allouche). They tried to change up their style in the worst way as well, which really didn’t help at all. I’ve never really dug their work since Aiko left them, and it was just the two Patrick’s. Plus what they pulled with the Faile Tower calling the pieces counterfeits showed their true faces and what they really think of there most devoted collectors. I’ll definitely never buy anything they make ever again. 👎🏻 Everybody on this board should know that “hops” is the guy who chopped up the Faile tower and sold it on eBay. The comment above obviously “failes” to mention this. Don’t take anything this guy says seriously. |
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Is FAILE over?, by hops on Jul 7, 2020 14:38:01 GMT 1, I have to agree with this. The artists got greedy with their pricing, and picked the wrong galleries for representing them (Allouche). They tried to change up their style in the worst way as well, which really didn’t help at all. I’ve never really dug their work since Aiko left them, and it was just the two Patrick’s. Plus what they pulled with the Faile Tower calling the pieces counterfeits showed their true faces and what they really think of there most devoted collectors. I’ll definitely never buy anything they make ever again. 👎🏻 Everybody on this board should know that “hops” is the guy who chopped up the Faile tower and sold it on eBay. The comment above obviously “failes” to mention this. Don’t take anything this guy says seriously.
I have to agree with this. The artists got greedy with their pricing, and picked the wrong galleries for representing them (Allouche). They tried to change up their style in the worst way as well, which really didn’t help at all. I’ve never really dug their work since Aiko left them, and it was just the two Patrick’s. Plus what they pulled with the Faile Tower calling the pieces counterfeits showed their true faces and what they really think of there most devoted collectors. I’ll definitely never buy anything they make ever again. 👎🏻 Everybody on this board should know that “hops” is the guy who chopped up the Faile tower and sold it on eBay. The comment above obviously “failes” to mention this. Don’t take anything this guy says seriously. And Tom you are the guy who sold me a Martin Whatson canvas in 2014 and tried to charge me $300 to issue a COA a few weeks ago, as well as trying to interfere with my sale to make money yourself. You are just as greedy as Faile. That’s why I would never buy anything from Black Book Gallery in Denver ever again too. I lost a large chunk of money on that Faile Tower I purchased in 2010 and offered it back to the artists at a 20k loss and they just ignored my emails. Let’s get the facts straight. You’re just salty I wouldn’t give you $300 for issuing a COA you clown... |
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Is FAILE over?, by Mr Murk on Jul 7, 2020 16:10:18 GMT 1, Everybody on this board should know that “hops” is the guy who chopped up the Faile tower and sold it on eBay. The comment above obviously “failes” to mention this. Don’t take anything this guy says seriously. And Tom you are the guy who sold me a Martin Whatson canvas in 2014 and tried to charge me $300 to issue a COA a few weeks ago, as well as trying to interfere with my sale to make money yourself. You are just as greedy as Faile. That’s why I would never buy anything from Black Book Gallery in Denver ever again too. I lost a large chunk of money on that Faile Tower I purchased in 2010 and offered it back to the artists at a 20k loss and they just ignored my emails. Let’s get the facts straight. You’re just salty I wouldn’t give you $300 for issuing a COA you clown...
You literally were begging us to sell you Banksy stuff less than a month ago. You’re so stupid you believed us when we said we have signed Banksy prints for $15k. We just like f**king with you.
You can call us whatever you want but the fact is you scammed buyers on this board when you chopped up the faile tower and pretended FAILE said it was ok. We might be clowns but you’re the moron who couldn’t pay his bills and did something shady. And don’t worry about the COA, we told your buyer that you’re shady and that we would issue them the COA instead of you and we did just that - for free.
Everybody on this board should know that “hops” is the guy who chopped up the Faile tower and sold it on eBay. The comment above obviously “failes” to mention this. Don’t take anything this guy says seriously. And Tom you are the guy who sold me a Martin Whatson canvas in 2014 and tried to charge me $300 to issue a COA a few weeks ago, as well as trying to interfere with my sale to make money yourself. You are just as greedy as Faile. That’s why I would never buy anything from Black Book Gallery in Denver ever again too. I lost a large chunk of money on that Faile Tower I purchased in 2010 and offered it back to the artists at a 20k loss and they just ignored my emails. Let’s get the facts straight. You’re just salty I wouldn’t give you $300 for issuing a COA you clown... You literally were begging us to sell you Banksy stuff less than a month ago. You’re so stupid you believed us when we said we have signed Banksy prints for $15k. We just like f**king with you. You can call us whatever you want but the fact is you scammed buyers on this board when you chopped up the faile tower and pretended FAILE said it was ok. We might be clowns but you’re the moron who couldn’t pay his bills and did something shady. And don’t worry about the COA, we told your buyer that you’re shady and that we would issue them the COA instead of you and we did just that - for free. |
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Is FAILE over?, by hops on Jul 7, 2020 16:56:49 GMT 1, And Tom you are the guy who sold me a Martin Whatson canvas in 2014 and tried to charge me $300 to issue a COA a few weeks ago, as well as trying to interfere with my sale to make money yourself. You are just as greedy as Faile. That’s why I would never buy anything from Black Book Gallery in Denver ever again too. I lost a large chunk of money on that Faile Tower I purchased in 2010 and offered it back to the artists at a 20k loss and they just ignored my emails. Let’s get the facts straight. You’re just salty I wouldn’t give you $300 for issuing a COA you clown... You literally were begging us to sell you Banksy stuff less than a month ago. You’re so stupid you believed us when we said we have signed Banksy prints for $15k. We just like f**king with you. You can call us whatever you want but the fact is you scammed buyers on this board when you chopped up the faile tower and pretended FAILE said it was ok. We might be clowns but you’re the moron who couldn’t pay his bills and did something shady. And don’t worry about the COA, we told your buyer that you’re shady and that we would issue them the COA instead of you and we did just that - for free.
And Tom you are the guy who sold me a Martin Whatson canvas in 2014 and tried to charge me $300 to issue a COA a few weeks ago, as well as trying to interfere with my sale to make money yourself. You are just as greedy as Faile. That’s why I would never buy anything from Black Book Gallery in Denver ever again too. I lost a large chunk of money on that Faile Tower I purchased in 2010 and offered it back to the artists at a 20k loss and they just ignored my emails. Let’s get the facts straight. You’re just salty I wouldn’t give you $300 for issuing a COA you clown... You literally were begging us to sell you Banksy stuff less than a month ago. You’re so stupid you believed us when we said we have signed Banksy prints for $15k. We just like f**king with you. You can call us whatever you want but the fact is you scammed buyers on this board when you chopped up the faile tower and pretended FAILE said it was ok. We might be clowns but you’re the moron who couldn’t pay his bills and did something shady. And don’t worry about the COA, we told your buyer that you’re shady and that we would issue them the COA instead of you and we did just that - for free. You are a salty clown Tom. This post says it all about your character and how you deal with your clientele. The Faile Tower was not “chopped up” in any way, it was made up of 100’s of loose pieces that were never cut or damaged. No chopping like you claim, just disassembled. Faile never had me sign ANY agreement nor did Perry Rubinstein Gallery to keep the Faile Tower as one. In fact when I purchased it in 2010 Rubinstein Gallery asked me if I would keep the piece as one or part it out into pieces eventually. After 9 years of owning I decided to sell pieces individually to at least get half my 100k back. Get the facts straight Tom. You are a despicable person in real life, and you wasted my time once when you flew to see my collection. I even paid for your hotel. Talk about someone who can’t pay their bills. Look at yourself and your failing gallery and see who you really are. A clown on the brink of losing everything, including your integrity. |
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Is FAILE over?, by Mr Murk on Jul 7, 2020 17:06:23 GMT 1, You literally were begging us to sell you Banksy stuff less than a month ago. You’re so stupid you believed us when we said we have signed Banksy prints for $15k. We just like f**king with you. You can call us whatever you want but the fact is you scammed buyers on this board when you chopped up the faile tower and pretended FAILE said it was ok. We might be clowns but you’re the moron who couldn’t pay his bills and did something shady. And don’t worry about the COA, we told your buyer that you’re shady and that we would issue them the COA instead of you and we did just that - for free. You are a salty clown Tom. This post says it all about your character and how you deal with your clientele. The Faile Tower was not “chopped up” in any way, it was made up of 100’s of loose pieces that were never cut or damaged. No chopping like you claim, just disassembled. Faile never had me sign ANY agreement nor did Perry Rubinstein Gallery to keep the Faile Tower as one. In fact when I purchased it in 2010 Rubinstein Gallery asked me if I would keep the piece as one or part it out into pieces eventually. After 9 years of owning I decided to sell pieces individually to at least get half my 100k back. Get the facts straight Tom. You are a despicable person in real life, and you wasted my time once when you flew to see my collection. I even paid for your hotel. Talk about someone who can’t pay their bills. Look at yourself and your failing gallery and see who you really are. A clown on the brink of losing everything, including your integrity.
Lol this isn’t Tom you unhinged lunatic, my name is Will and we both know you wouldn’t talk that kinda shit to our faces short stuff. It’s too bad that old thread about what exactly you did and what the people on the board thought about you is gone because it was hilarious. You scammed people so hard you even had fake welded metal frames made for the individual sections Lolololol. And if what you did was legit why did Faile call you out after they had lots of people asking for them to certify the sections as legit when they never had any intentions of it being parted out?! But we are the clowns? Lol
You literally were begging us to sell you Banksy stuff less than a month ago. You’re so stupid you believed us when we said we have signed Banksy prints for $15k. We just like f**king with you. You can call us whatever you want but the fact is you scammed buyers on this board when you chopped up the faile tower and pretended FAILE said it was ok. We might be clowns but you’re the moron who couldn’t pay his bills and did something shady. And don’t worry about the COA, we told your buyer that you’re shady and that we would issue them the COA instead of you and we did just that - for free. You are a salty clown Tom. This post says it all about your character and how you deal with your clientele. The Faile Tower was not “chopped up” in any way, it was made up of 100’s of loose pieces that were never cut or damaged. No chopping like you claim, just disassembled. Faile never had me sign ANY agreement nor did Perry Rubinstein Gallery to keep the Faile Tower as one. In fact when I purchased it in 2010 Rubinstein Gallery asked me if I would keep the piece as one or part it out into pieces eventually. After 9 years of owning I decided to sell pieces individually to at least get half my 100k back. Get the facts straight Tom. You are a despicable person in real life, and you wasted my time once when you flew to see my collection. I even paid for your hotel. Talk about someone who can’t pay their bills. Look at yourself and your failing gallery and see who you really are. A clown on the brink of losing everything, including your integrity. Lol this isn’t Tom you unhinged lunatic, my name is Will and we both know you wouldn’t talk that kinda shit to our faces short stuff. It’s too bad that old thread about what exactly you did and what the people on the board thought about you is gone because it was hilarious. You scammed people so hard you even had fake welded metal frames made for the individual sections Lolololol. And if what you did was legit why did Faile call you out after they had lots of people asking for them to certify the sections as legit when they never had any intentions of it being parted out?! But we are the clowns? Lol |
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